This is appalling! It's a gross injustice and misogyny taken to criminal levels.

Every survivor of male on female domestic violence is triggered. https://t.co/ALrwtpDMwr

— Dr Naomi Wolf (@naomirwolf) August 1, 2024

Here is an essay on the subject:

https://cleartruthmedia.com/s/231/punching-back-at-equity

Here is another example of trans insanity, this time with the Swiss government, a hospital, school authorities, and others conspiring to indoctrinate a child into thinking she is something she is not, medically abuse her, take her from her parents, and possibly imprison them for trying to protect her.

Sound familiar? There have Ed been many such cases here in America, including a very similar case recently involving a hospital in Houston. The doctor who exposed these crimes is himself facing criminal charges because our corrupt government is siding with the child abusers.

If Kamala wins, expect a lot more of this kind of travesty.

The title should read "Trans injustice,,," It is too late to edit.

I am very opposed to trans ideology but for the sake of accuracy, I think the Algerian boxer was born as intersex meaning born with some masculine and some feminine biological characteristics. Probably still shouldn't be allowed to compete in the female category. But this isn't a Lia Thomas case where a biological male is competing in the female category.

Proud 1992 Alum said:

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I am very opposed to trans ideology but for the sake of accuracy, I think the Algerian boxer was born as intersex meaning born with some masculine and some feminine biological characteristics. Probably still shouldn't be allowed to compete in the female category. But this isn't a Lia Thomas case where a biological male is competing in the female category.

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Having XY chromosomes ends that discussion.

Here's another article:

https://notthebee.com/takes/womens-boxing-in-the-olympics-has-grown-so-confusing-i-dont-even-know-what-a-woman-is-anymore

It was easier when we could just call them "East German women."

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If Kamala wins, expect a lot more of this kind of travesty.

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I don't care how anyone personally feels about Trump - there are so many blatant reasons to not elect Kamala that it isn't even funny. And this is one of them.

drahthaar said:

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Proud 1992 Alum said:

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I am very opposed to trans ideology but for the sake of accuracy, I think the Algerian boxer was born as intersex meaning born with some masculine and some feminine biological characteristics. Probably still shouldn't be allowed to compete in the female category. But this isn't a Lia Thomas case where a biological male is competing in the female category.

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Having XY chromosomes ends that discussion.

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The problem is no one knows if the Algerian's chromosomes are XX or XY. A test was run, but the results were never published and the boxer refuses to say what their gender markers are. Without definitive proof of what the chromosomes are, we can speculate all we want, but we are ultimately guessing. That said, I think tests should be published, but there may be legal privacy issues with that.

Testosterone levels seem to be problematic as well in answering the gender question. "Many women can have testosterone which will be called 'male levels' and still be women and still compete as women. This idea that you do one test for testosterone and that sorts everything out? Not the case I'm afraid," Mark Adams said.

And what if this fighter does have DSD or Swyer Syndrome? They have XY chromosomes but a female reproductive system. I have no idea whether that person is male or female because it sounds like they are both. Do we exclude them from sports because gender cannot be determined?

And there doesn't seem to be a consensus among her competitors either. "Personally I don't think she has done anything to 'cheat,'" Broadhurst wrote on social media. "I (think) it's the way she was born & that's out of her control. The fact that she has been (beaten) by 9 females before says it all."--Amy Broadhurst (Ireland)

Marissa Williamson Pohlman of Australia lost to Khelif in the Netherlands last May, and she said Khelif was particularly strong. "I did notice it, but you just keep fighting, though, don't you?" Williamson Pohlman said. "It's just a part of the sport. All you want to do is win, so you just keep chucking punches."

At least they were real women. The fake women are men.

If an athlete has the body of a man he should not be allowed to compete with women. Period. In the boxing matches, a man could cause real damage to a female opponent (real woman). Potentially, it could be fatal. No athlete should be out in a life and death situation because the people running the show are political morons or are cowards unwilling to uphold the integrity of the competition.

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If an athlete has the body of a man he should not be allowed to compete with women. Period. In the boxing matches, a man could cause real damage to a female opponent (real woman). Potentially, it could be fatal. No athlete should be out in a life and death situation because the people running the show are political morons or are cowards unwilling to uphold the integrity of the competition.

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I see male tendencies in the face, but I'll admit that's personal. I also think the face is a terrible way to say this boxer has the body of a man, but for the sake of argument, let's just say we both see this person as male based on the face.

What if we saw this boxer naked and saw a vagina?

Which end do we believe when determining if this athlete has the body of a man?

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historian said:

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If an athlete has the body of a man he should not be allowed to compete with women. Period. In the boxing matches, a man could cause real damage to a female opponent (real woman). Potentially, it could be fatal. No athlete should be out in a life and death situation because the people running the show are political morons or are cowards unwilling to uphold the integrity of the competition.

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I see male tendencies in the face, but I'll admit that's personal. I also think the face is a terrible way to say this boxer has the body of a man, but for the sake of argument, let's just say we both see this person as male based on the face.

What if we saw this boxer naked and saw a vagina?

Which end do we believe when determining if this athlete has the body of a man?

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I'm not talking about face or genitalia. I'm talking about frame, bone structure, musculature, etc. These are factors of physical strength and athletics prowess. They could result in a man beating the crap out of a woman. I'm no medical expert but this is not complicated! In legal terms it's assault and battery. No woman should be forced to submit to that during the Olympics. Those putting her in an impossible situation should be prosecuted. Surely France already has laws against that.

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historian said:

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If an athlete has the body of a man he should not be allowed to compete with women. Period. In the boxing matches, a man could cause real damage to a female opponent (real woman). Potentially, it could be fatal. No athlete should be out in a life and death situation because the people running the show are political morons or are cowards unwilling to uphold the integrity of the competition.

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I see male tendencies in the face, but I'll admit that's personal. I also think the face is a terrible way to say this boxer has the body of a man, but for the sake of argument, let's just say we both see this person as male based on the face.

What if we saw this boxer naked and saw a vagina?

Which end do we believe when determining if this athlete has the body of a man?

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I'm not talking about face or genitalia. I'm talking about frame, bone structure, musculature, etc. These are factors of physical strength and athletics prowess. They could result in a man beating the crap out of a woman. I'm no medical expert but this is not complicated! In legal terms it's assault and battery. No woman should be forced to submit to that during the Olympics. Those putting her in an impossible situation should be prosecuted. Surely France already has laws against that.

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So what specifically screams male in Khelif's frame, bone structure, musculature, etc?

I don't see anything in those areas that is vastly different from the other female boxers. I also don't buy the argument that competition has to be a fair match of talent? While I never boxed, I ran into my fair share of baseball and basketball opponents that I never stood a chance against. Fortunately, I also ran into one or two that never stood a chance against us. You do the best you can in those situations.

I will freely admit when I saw her picture yesterday, I thought she looks like a dude in the face. Outside of that, frame, bone structure, musculature--none of those things seem to have an obvious answer as to which gender this person is based on the photos on the internet.

Again, not releasing the gender tests bothers me, but without that test, we are just guessing.

In the photos I saw he was physically larger & broader. He looked more like a man than a woman.

You can't tell me these two people are the same sex...this is not a fair fight in any way.

Satire is now reality pic.twitter.com/v0fzyZjbtt

— Crazy Moments (@Crazymoments01) August 2, 2024

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In the photos I saw he was physically larger & broader. He looked more like a man than a woman.

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Khelif is just over two inches taller (5"10" v 5'7.5"). Both are taller than the average female (5'3". so I'm not sure height can be used as a determining factor. But I bet those 2.5 inches come in handy in a fist fight.

In your OP tweet, the girl in blue is clearly broader than the person in question. They are roughly the same weight (I can't find anything on the internet that gives their actual weight. Everything just says they fight in the same weight class.). If I look at that video in the tweet, I think Carini outweighs Khelif by more than a few pounds. Carini also appears wider than Khelif when they pass by each other and just standing on opposite sides of the ref.

Yes, the biceps are clearly bigger on Khelif, but my brother's wife is a lot smaller than me height and weight wise, but she is a powerlifter. Her biceps are way bigger than mine, so this isn't a dead giveaway either. Khelif seems more toned in the image.

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historian said:

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If Kamala wins, expect a lot more of this kind of travesty.

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I don't care how anyone personally feels about Trump - there are so many blatant reasons to not elect Kamala that it isn't even funny. And this is one of them.

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Agreed

Now sell this bit of common sense to those who prioritize 'feelings' over policies .

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A few things here.
1. The results of those tests weren't published, so in essence, I could say I tested Jack Bauer and discovered she is a female despite her claims he is a he. I won't let you see the results. I will just tell you what they were. Release the results so we can see exactly what this test said.
2. And in its statement, the IOC made it clear the boxers met all the rules necessary to compete at the 2024 Olympic Games. Well now this complicates things. One boxing entity says she's a he. The Olympics say she is a she. Who in the world should I believe? Why?
3. As noted several times in this thread, it is possible to be XY and still be female. It doesn't happen often, but there are at least two things listed on this thread that could make that happen. And if you look at the Olympic thread on the chit chat board, Mr. Tulip has more gender markers listed that really make this an unclear situation.

He was powerful enough to pummel his opponent so that she had to quit within minutes. If they had met on the street without the protective gear it would have been a slam dunk case of assault and battery.

You are defending a man beating up on a woman!

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He was powerful enough to pummel his opponent so that she had to quit within minutes. If they had met on the street without the protective gear it would have been a slam dunk case of assault and battery.

You are defending a man beating up on a woman!

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Nothing happened in that boxing ring that hasn't happened in a boxing ring before (except for someone dying--but that has happened). She didn't knock her out, but here are 10 minutes of fights that ended in a KO in less than 10 minutes (it opens with an underdog destroying their opponent).



Quit comparing this to a street fight. It was a sanctioned competitive fight. And no it wouldn't be a slam dunk case of assault and battery. If you watched the actual fight, Carini threw the first punch. That makes anything Khelif did self defense. And it's a pretty weak fight if you ask me. This was absolutely not a brutal beating by any stretch of the imagination.


(the ref summons them to center ring around the 2:30 mark of the video)

As of today, I am doing no such thing. The IOC says Khelif meets the requirements to fight in the women's division. The IBA doesn't see it that way, but they also won't release their test results, so there's no way to prove what they found.

The IBA was not only deemed to be corrupt by the IOC (69-1 in the board vote), but the court agreed with the IOC when the IBA appealed to overturn the IOC decision.

The IBA was stripped of the status by the International Olympic Committee in June 2023 and took its appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Cas said the IBA had not made enough change in financial transparency, integrity of officials and its culture. "As a consequence, these three elements justified the IOC's decision," it said.

A new regulating body is needed before the 28 games.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/68718463

Seems the first video of the fight got taken down. This video starts at the bell. Boring fight. Carini doesn't fall to the ground until long after the actual fight is over.

https://notthebee.com/article/international-boxing-association-drops-statement-questioning-olympic-committees-decision-to-let-trans-boxers-compete-with-women

Babylon Bee summarizes the situation nicely:

https://babylonbee.com/news/sad-olympics-official-unable-to-get-female-boxing-medal-over-giant-adams-apple

None of us really know whether it is a he of she, so I'm not sure why anyone would be so quick to judge. If it turns out to be a she, that really sucks, all this harassment. If it is a he, I will really wonder about the Olympics going forward. I think likely a she.

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None of us really know whether it is a he of she, so I'm not sure why anyone would be so quick to judge. If it turns out to be a she, that really sucks, all this harassment. If it is a he, I will really wonder about the Olympics going forward. I think likely a she.

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Cant IOC do a cheek swab test on all athletes to confirm sex. doesn't seem too difficult

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None of us really know whether it is a he of she, so I'm not sure why anyone would be so quick to judge. If it turns out to be a she, that really sucks, all this harassment. If it is a he, I will really wonder about the Olympics going forward. I think likely a she.

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He's trans. Somebody went out of their way to label him a trans woman which is a fake woman, a man. He also has an Adam's apple. Women don't have them.

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He's trans. Somebody went out of their way to label him a trans woman which is a fake woman, a man. He also has an Adam's apple. Women don't have them.

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Not strictly true.

Did it ever or does it have a dick? That's the only question that really matters.

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He's trans. Somebody went out of their way to label him a trans woman which is a fake woman, a man. He also has an Adam's apple. Women don't have them.

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Not strictly true.

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LOL

By normal definitions a man and a woman are clearly defined, the way they always have been. It has only been a few years that our Orwellian dystopia has regressed to the point that the two obvious categories are confounded by dozens of new fake genders and supposedly intelligent people cannot answer the simple question, "What is a woman!".

By the way, if you have not seen the film, you should. It's a real eye opener and includes enough humor.

The only one knows if he or she is actually a he or she, is him or her.

So why not just admit it. If she's really a woman it will put all this nonsense to bed.

I would personally lean toward thinking it's really a man though since he is not being forthcoming with the information. And as a man it's going to be easier to fight a woman. So he's resting with his being a woman.

These Olympics are nuts.

You've got this story about the boxers. And you have the games starting with what was deemed by many of us a blasphemous display in the opening ceremonies.

And now we have a pole vaulter whose junk was so big it knocked the bar down.

What has that led to? Now that he's the new sensation, it has social media running around and looking at all the male athletes' junk now to see how they size up. I guess it's becoming the ***** olympics now as they have now annointed #2 in line to the pole vaulter....some pretty boy French diver who is the rage because of what he's supposedly packing. We've lowered ourselves to exploiting athlete junk now.

Bye bye to the Olympics for me. They had already lost me when they went professional. But this display this year, no thank you. If the Americans bring home the gold, good for them. But I couldn't care less.