super progressive.. may not help with the moderates and indiesBestweekeverr said:
Probably the safest pick. Will help her with non-city voters and the midwest states. Will he be enough to help her win Penn though? Better pick than Vance was.
Nice seque from Trump's character to Harris' profession, while conveniently leaving out observations of her character, as well as observations of her effectiveness in said profession. Neither is fit from a moral character perspective to hold any office in a democratic republic. Both are more fit for a Venezuela or Russian fascist government controlling every aspect of peoples' lives including private property, religious faith and decisions about personal choices. Peel back the curtain and take an unbiased look at the "wizards" being proffered for national leadership. And be very afraid of those who covertly tell you that they are the repository of what our nation's foundations truly mean and that they are the only ones who can insure liberty. "Democracy" to these folks means a popular vote based on what they have promised citizens without said citizens having to be responsible for life in this nation and in their communities. A strong Congress is the insurance against such people and we have nothing of the sort to protect us from either demagogue. The same situation can be said of the Reichstag in 1933, and while neither candidate can be accurately compared to Hitler, both are unfit for office. It is the larger lessons which apply for us here. People must examine the unvarnished truth for themselves.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
Before leaving office, Joe Biden is going to pardon himself and his entire family. And you and your Democrat brethren will have absolutely no problem with it.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
To be more accurate, it's a laugh riot.Jack Bauer said:
Harris/Walz 2024 - "It's a riot!"
Remember a quote from Chuck Daly the HOF coach of the great Detroit Piston teams, coached the 1992 Dream team at Olympics...he was talked out of retirement to coach the NJ Nets, was asked about his teams character, replied "we have characters, not a lot of character." Kind of the way it goes in politics as well.Mothra said:I am baffled by your response. Did you read what I wrote? If so, did you think I was arguing Trump is a good person? UIm no. Never said or suggested it. He's a scum bag, no question.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
If you had read my comments a little closer, I was essentially saying what you are - take the plank out of your own eye Dems if you think Kamala's character is better than those opposing her. Neither candidate is going to win any votes on character.
vote for who you think has the best policies and all will be right in your world. Ignore the noise, they want you to get sucked into the noise and ignore the policy stances..Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
Bestweekeverr said:The initial comment is a comparison, in which case Trump has the longer dirty laundry list in my opinion. We aren't talking about binary good or bad otherwise no one would ever vote for any politician ever.Mothra said:I am baffled by your response. Did you read what I wrote? If so, did you think I was arguing Trump is a good person? Um no. Never said or suggested it. He's a scum bag, no question.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
If you had read my comments a little closer, I was essentially saying what you are - take the plank out of your own eye Dems if you think Kamala's character is better than those opposing her. Neither candidate is going to win any votes on character.
Mothra said:
Gotta say, that has to be about the least exciting candidate she could choose. Shapiro had me very concerned. But the pro-Hamas wing was up in arms.
I think Trump's chances have improved considerably with that pick.
Well since you brought up pardons, you don't seem to mind that Trump bypassed the OPA to pardon 84 of his buddies right before leaving office, like Manafort, Stone, Bannon, and Flynn. Also assuming you won't care when he pardons himself day one in office if he gets elected.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Before leaving office, Joe Biden is going to pardon himself and his entire family. And you and your Democrat brethren will have absolutely no problem with it.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
So please spare us your faux outrage and moral high ground.
FG: "I think Kamala/Walz has better character than Trump/VanceMothra said:Bestweekeverr said:The initial comment is a comparison, in which case Trump has the longer dirty laundry list in my opinion. We aren't talking about binary good or bad otherwise no one would ever vote for any politician ever.Mothra said:I am baffled by your response. Did you read what I wrote? If so, did you think I was arguing Trump is a good person? Um no. Never said or suggested it. He's a scum bag, no question.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
If you had read my comments a little closer, I was essentially saying what you are - take the plank out of your own eye Dems if you think Kamala's character is better than those opposing her. Neither candidate is going to win any votes on character.
The initial comment was in response to a comparison. Context is your friend.
And the comparison was not just with Trump, but with Vance. Your position makes no sense.
Usually you are rational. Not here.Mothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
What personal character flaw of Kamala Harris makes her unfit for the presidency? Can you cite to a specific action that was unethical?drahthaar said:Nice seque from Trump's character to Harris' profession, while conveniently leaving out observations of her character, as well as observations of her effectiveness in said profession. Neither is fit from a moral character perspective to hold any office in a democratic republic. Both are more fit for a Venezuela or Russian fascist government controlling every aspect of peoples' lives including private property, religious faith and decisions about personal choices. Peel back the curtain and take an unbiased look at the "wizards" being proffered for national leadership. And be very afraid of those who covertly tell you that they are the repository of what our nation's foundations truly mean and that they are the only ones who can insure liberty. "Democracy" to these folks means a popular vote based on what they have promised citizens without said citizens having to be responsible for life in this nation and in their communities. A strong Congress is the insurance against such people and we have nothing of the sort to protect us from either demagogue. The same situation can be said of the Reichstag in 1933, and while neither candidate can be accurately compared to Hitler, both are unfit for office. It is the larger lessons which apply for us here. People must examine the unvarnished truth for themselves.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
What are Trump's policies?4th and Inches said:vote for who you think has the best policies and all will be right in your world. Ignore the noise, they want you to get sucked into the noise and ignore the policy stances..Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
The inability to put together a coherent sentence that doesn't sound like an answer a high school kid gives to an essay question on a test he didn't study for?Frank Galvin said:What personal character flaw of Kamal harris makes her unfit for the presidency? Can you cite to a specific action that was unethical?drahthaar said:Nice seque from Trump's character to Harris' profession, while conveniently leaving out observations of her character, as well as observations of her effectiveness in said profession. Neither is fit from a moral character perspective to hold any office in a democratic republic. Both are more fit for a Venezuela or Russian fascist government controlling every aspect of peoples' lives including private property, religious faith and decisions about personal choices. Peel back the curtain and take an unbiased look at the "wizards" being proffered for national leadership. And be very afraid of those who covertly tell you that they are the repository of what our nation's foundations truly mean and that they are the only ones who can insure liberty. "Democracy" to these folks means a popular vote based on what they have promised citizens without said citizens having to be responsible for life in this nation and in their communities. A strong Congress is the insurance against such people and we have nothing of the sort to protect us from either demagogue. The same situation can be said of the Reichstag in 1933, and while neither candidate can be accurately compared to Hitler, both are unfit for office. It is the larger lessons which apply for us here. People must examine the unvarnished truth for themselves.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
I rest my case.Bestweekeverr said:Well since you brought up pardons, you don't seem to mind that Trump bypassed the OPA to pardon 84 of his buddies right before leaving office, like Manafort, Stone, Bannon, and Flynn. Also assuming you won't care when he pardons himself day one in office if he gets elected.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Before leaving office, Joe Biden is going to pardon himself and his entire family. And you and your Democrat brethren will have absolutely no problem with it.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
So please spare us your faux outrage and moral high ground.
Well of course you do, you have no defense lolRD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:I rest my case.Bestweekeverr said:Well since you brought up pardons, you don't seem to mind that Trump bypassed the OPA to pardon 84 of his buddies right before leaving office, like Manafort, Stone, Bannon, and Flynn. Also assuming you won't care when he pardons himself day one in office if he gets elected.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Before leaving office, Joe Biden is going to pardon himself and his entire family. And you and your Democrat brethren will have absolutely no problem with it.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
So please spare us your faux outrage and moral high ground.
She bailed out the thugs that burned down Minneapolis. For days and weeks she stoked the fires of hate and racism egging on more vandalism. Such a person shouldn't come close to sniffing the White House.Frank Galvin said:What personal character flaw of Kamal harris makes her unfit for the presidency? Can you cite to a specific action that was unethical?drahthaar said:Nice seque from Trump's character to Harris' profession, while conveniently leaving out observations of her character, as well as observations of her effectiveness in said profession. Neither is fit from a moral character perspective to hold any office in a democratic republic. Both are more fit for a Venezuela or Russian fascist government controlling every aspect of peoples' lives including private property, religious faith and decisions about personal choices. Peel back the curtain and take an unbiased look at the "wizards" being proffered for national leadership. And be very afraid of those who covertly tell you that they are the repository of what our nation's foundations truly mean and that they are the only ones who can insure liberty. "Democracy" to these folks means a popular vote based on what they have promised citizens without said citizens having to be responsible for life in this nation and in their communities. A strong Congress is the insurance against such people and we have nothing of the sort to protect us from either demagogue. The same situation can be said of the Reichstag in 1933, and while neither candidate can be accurately compared to Hitler, both are unfit for office. It is the larger lessons which apply for us here. People must examine the unvarnished truth for themselves.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
This is the boring safe pick.Mothra said:
Gotta say, that has to be about the least exciting candidate she could choose. Shapiro had me very concerned. But the pro-Hamas wing was up in arms.
I think Trump's chances have improved considerably with that pick.
Democrats 50 years ago: "GRITS AND FRITZ IN '76"Forest Bueller_bf said:This is the boring safe pick.Mothra said:
Gotta say, that has to be about the least exciting candidate she could choose. Shapiro had me very concerned. But the pro-Hamas wing was up in arms.
I think Trump's chances have improved considerably with that pick.
Won't do anything for Pennsyvania like Shapiro would have, but it is a safety choice.
Might actually piss off some of her more racially motivated voting block.
Wow, that is terrible and lacks any judgement of character whatsoever.william said:
agenda 47Bestweekeverr said:What are Trump's policies?4th and Inches said:vote for who you think has the best policies and all will be right in your world. Ignore the noise, they want you to get sucked into the noise and ignore the policy stances..Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
Jailing people that burn the American flag? Unconstitutional but he doesn't care
Deporting 15-20 million immigrants? Ignoring the fact that this is an impossible task, will cost billions and result in higher inflation
Lower corporate taxes so the deficit goes up even more? Awesome
We've already seen that he is ineffective getting legislation through congress even with a Republican Senate and House.
Why should I ignore the "noise" and vote for this guy?
For the third time...because I never said or suggested that Trump was better than Kamala. I argued that they all have low character, and Kamala isn't any better than Trump or Vance (as the poster I was responding to said). You're the poster who seems to be suggesting Kamala has a marginally better character than Trump (but not Vance, I guess).Bestweekeverr said:FG: "I think Kamala/Walz has better character than Trump/VanceMothra said:Bestweekeverr said:The initial comment is a comparison, in which case Trump has the longer dirty laundry list in my opinion. We aren't talking about binary good or bad otherwise no one would ever vote for any politician ever.Mothra said:I am baffled by your response. Did you read what I wrote? If so, did you think I was arguing Trump is a good person? Um no. Never said or suggested it. He's a scum bag, no question.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
If you had read my comments a little closer, I was essentially saying what you are - take the plank out of your own eye Dems if you think Kamala's character is better than those opposing her. Neither candidate is going to win any votes on character.
The initial comment was in response to a comparison. Context is your friend.
And the comparison was not just with Trump, but with Vance. Your position makes no sense.
You: "Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than Trump or Vance is hyper-partisian
Me: Here's a list of bad character things that Trump has done.
Why are you having a hard time following this? It's pretty simple
Leftist views have EVERYTHING to do with character, and the idea that Jesus was a leftist is just absurd. When you support beliefs that are the antithesis of his teachings, that is very much a reflection on one's character.Frank Galvin said:Usually you are rational. Not here.Mothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Lets start with who Kamala is paired against:
Donald Trump never pays his debts if there is any possible way not to-he has left a trail of stiffed contractors and vendors that could stretch across the country.
He slept with a porn star right after his third wife had a child. He brags about sexually assaulting women and has been convicted about lying about the same.
In fact, he lies about everything to the point the defense is that "well you know he is lying so he is not really lying." This is a guy who used to promote himself to the social columns in a fake voice telling everyone what a stud he is.
His default method of discourse is to call people names.
He has a long history-dating back to the 1970's- of at least quasi-racist conduct. He redlined Blacks from his properties and stoked racial outrage over the Central Park 5. He argued that Mexican-American judges could not be fair to him because of his racist comments about Mexicans.
He has made up a fairy tale about how the 2020 election was stolen from him with zero evidence to back up his claim. When his efforts to bully the courts and state officials did not do the trick he rallied the troops. They got out of control. You can argue all day about wheter that was an insurrection or how much responsibility he bore for it but one thing is abundantly clear: when the United States Capitol was being ransacked he took hours to react because doing so would mean picking the nation's interests over his own.
You do not need to take my word for it-I saw a story yesterday that of the 42 people he selected to serve in cabinet-level postions, 21 of them oppose his re-election. Not on policy grounds, but becuase they beleive him unfit to hold the office.
Politics is often subjective but there is only one conclusion that any sentinent being can draw about Donald Trump's perosnal character-it is abysmal.
As to Kamala, lets start with your opening adjecitve: she is a "leftist." That has zero to do with character. Jesus was a leftist, Mother Theresa was a leftist, Eugene Debs was a leftist, Paul Robeson was a leftist, Louis Brandies, Thurgood Marsahll, and Earl Warren were leftists, Ralph Nader is a leftist, etc. Those are people of character. A person's political views do not define a person's character in any way, shape or form.
As to the "substance" the idea that Kamala "slept her way to the top" is just a misogynist lie. She dated Willie Brown for a couple of years. He appointe her to tow almost anonymous state commissions. So friggin what? I am unaware of the "morally questionable" character of otherswhoshe dated but the point is-you have not said that she did anything that would besmirch her character.
I am sure very few people on this board are buying what Iam selling. That is becuase they long ago became imune to what a total catastrophe Donald Trump is as a person. The guy is everything we tell our children not to be and anyone who says difernt is lying to himself. If you are overwilling to overlook those flaws for policy reasons, that is your choice. But arguing that he has character anywhere near almost anybody in public life is empirically wrong. He is a unicorn of the black soul.
Oh Harris hasn't come out with anything policy-wise lol I'm sure that'll come out this week on her campaign trail. Probably more of the same the last four years.4th and Inches said:agenda 47Bestweekeverr said:What are Trump's policies?4th and Inches said:vote for who you think has the best policies and all will be right in your world. Ignore the noise, they want you to get sucked into the noise and ignore the policy stances..Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
Jailing people that burn the American flag? Unconstitutional but he doesn't care
Deporting 15-20 million immigrants? Ignoring the fact that this is an impossible task, will cost billions and result in higher inflation
Lower corporate taxes so the deficit goes up even more? Awesome
We've already seen that he is ineffective getting legislation through congress even with a Republican Senate and House.
Why should I ignore the "noise" and vote for this guy?
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/larouchepac/pages/5875/attachments/original/1688763534/Agenda_47_leaflet__2.pdf?1688763534
Now show me Harris'
I am no fan of Trump, and wasn't a huge fan of his policies, but when the other side's policies are a fiery and burning train wreck, I will agree with another poster that at least Trump's policies do far less damage than what we've seen under Biden/Harris.Bestweekeverr said:What are Trump's policies?4th and Inches said:vote for who you think has the best policies and all will be right in your world. Ignore the noise, they want you to get sucked into the noise and ignore the policy stances..Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
Jailing people that burn the American flag? Unconstitutional but he doesn't care
Deporting 15-20 million immigrants? Ignoring the fact that this is an impossible task, will cost billions and result in higher inflation
Lower corporate taxes so the deficit goes up even more? Awesome
We've already seen that he is ineffective getting legislation through congress even with a Republican Senate and House.
Why should I ignore the "noise" and vote for this guy?
ok, we will circle back when we get a stance from Harris.. dont hold your breath on them actually putting anything out before the convention if at allBestweekeverr said:Oh Harris hasn't come out with anything policy-wise lol I'm sure that'll come out this week on her campaign trail. Probably more of the same the last four years.4th and Inches said:agenda 47Bestweekeverr said:What are Trump's policies?4th and Inches said:vote for who you think has the best policies and all will be right in your world. Ignore the noise, they want you to get sucked into the noise and ignore the policy stances..Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
Jailing people that burn the American flag? Unconstitutional but he doesn't care
Deporting 15-20 million immigrants? Ignoring the fact that this is an impossible task, will cost billions and result in higher inflation
Lower corporate taxes so the deficit goes up even more? Awesome
We've already seen that he is ineffective getting legislation through congress even with a Republican Senate and House.
Why should I ignore the "noise" and vote for this guy?
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/larouchepac/pages/5875/attachments/original/1688763534/Agenda_47_leaflet__2.pdf?1688763534
Now show me Harris'
In this pamphlet:
- Trump doubles down on election fraud lies
- Trump claims he will build 10 "Freedom cities"... What?
- Hyper-aggressive tariffs so more inflation yayyy
- Energy independence? Yeah right
- Eliminate green Agenda? Well we know that's not true, in his own words he is already bought and paid for by Elon Musk
- Stop bailouts and wasteful spending? His first term proved the opposite
- Ending forever wars? Sure, he'll just let our enemies take what they want
- Baby bonuses... cool idea, but isn't this just welfare? How is this different than child tax credits or subsidizing child care?
Maybe Kamala will come out with the worst policies of all time, but nothing from Trump makes me want to vote for him.
Forest Bueller_bf said:This is the boring safe pick.Mothra said:
Gotta say, that has to be about the least exciting candidate she could choose. Shapiro had me very concerned. But the pro-Hamas wing was up in arms.
I think Trump's chances have improved considerably with that pick.
Won't do anything for Pennsyvania like Shapiro would have, but it is a safety choice.
Might actually piss off some of her more racially motivated voting block.
Claiming that it's laughable that Kamala has better character than Trump suggests that you think she is worst.Mothra said:For the third time...because I never said or suggested that Trump was better than Kamala. I argued that they all have low character, and Kamala isn't any better than Trump or Vance (as the poster I was responding to said). You're the poster who seems to be suggesting Kamala has a marginally better character than Trump (but not Vance, I guess).Bestweekeverr said:FG: "I think Kamala/Walz has better character than Trump/VanceMothra said:Bestweekeverr said:The initial comment is a comparison, in which case Trump has the longer dirty laundry list in my opinion. We aren't talking about binary good or bad otherwise no one would ever vote for any politician ever.Mothra said:I am baffled by your response. Did you read what I wrote? If so, did you think I was arguing Trump is a good person? Um no. Never said or suggested it. He's a scum bag, no question.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
If you had read my comments a little closer, I was essentially saying what you are - take the plank out of your own eye Dems if you think Kamala's character is better than those opposing her. Neither candidate is going to win any votes on character.
The initial comment was in response to a comparison. Context is your friend.
And the comparison was not just with Trump, but with Vance. Your position makes no sense.
You: "Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than Trump or Vance is hyper-partisian
Me: Here's a list of bad character things that Trump has done.
Why are you having a hard time following this? It's pretty simple
If that is your point, fine. It's a dumb point, but so be it.
#TamponTimwilliam said:
“After their meeting on Sunday, Shapiro called Harris’ team and made clear that he was ‘struggling with the decision to leave his current job as governor of Pennsylvania, in order to seek the vice presidency,’ according to a person familiar” https://t.co/3LDG5GU6PE
— Matthew Kassel (@matthewkassel) August 6, 2024
Two sources confirm on background the deciding factor in the VP’s choice was what Sen Fetterman said publicly: concerns Shapiro’s his own personal ambitions would cause him to upstage/override Harris. The video Shapiro produced by Philly Mayor Cherelle Parker’s team solidified…
— Jacqui Heinrich (@JacquiHeinrich) August 6, 2024
Because, who cares? Who cares if Trump is a marginally worse person than Harris? They both suck. So let's not pretend character should play a role in this next election.Bestweekeverr said:Claiming that it's laughable that Kamala has better character than Trump suggests that you think she is worst.Mothra said:For the third time...because I never said or suggested that Trump was better than Kamala. I argued that they all have low character, and Kamala isn't any better than Trump or Vance (as the poster I was responding to said). You're the poster who seems to be suggesting Kamala has a marginally better character than Trump (but not Vance, I guess).Bestweekeverr said:FG: "I think Kamala/Walz has better character than Trump/VanceMothra said:Bestweekeverr said:The initial comment is a comparison, in which case Trump has the longer dirty laundry list in my opinion. We aren't talking about binary good or bad otherwise no one would ever vote for any politician ever.Mothra said:I am baffled by your response. Did you read what I wrote? If so, did you think I was arguing Trump is a good person? Um no. Never said or suggested it. He's a scum bag, no question.Bestweekeverr said:Trump ran the scam Trump UniversityMothra said:I mean, honestly, this is laughable. Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than either Trump or Vance is looking through a hyper-partisan lens. I mean, you have a leftist who slept her way to the top, used her race to get her advantages, made very questionable well-documented prosecutorial decisions, had multiple sexual relationships with men of questionable character, married a guy who got his nanny pregnant, has been totally incompetent as VP, changes her dialect to match her audience, and is disingenuous as the day is long.Frank Galvin said:
Saw him interviewed last week. Whatever you think of his policies, he will be an effective campaigner.
Also, on the personal character front the Democrats have it all over the GOP. Donald Trump is just a scum bucket of a human beong and JD Vance has demonstrated he has no personal convictions other than being for JD Vance. The Dems have picked a career prosecutor and a career teacher/football coach.
LOL. I doubt anyone is buying what you're selling.
Trump tried to get Playboy to do a spread called "The Girls of Trump" featuring his female employees.
Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples, then divorced her, and married Maples. Then another divorce.
Trump married Melania, and cheated on her with a Pornstar.
Trump defamed a woman that accused him of sexually assaulting her.
Trump tried to override 80 million American voters with his unapproved elector scheme, and almost got his VP killed in the process.
Kamala isn't a good person either, but remove the plank from thy own eye first.
If you had read my comments a little closer, I was essentially saying what you are - take the plank out of your own eye Dems if you think Kamala's character is better than those opposing her. Neither candidate is going to win any votes on character.
The initial comment was in response to a comparison. Context is your friend.
And the comparison was not just with Trump, but with Vance. Your position makes no sense.
You: "Anyone who thinks Kamala has better character than Trump or Vance is hyper-partisian
Me: Here's a list of bad character things that Trump has done.
Why are you having a hard time following this? It's pretty simple
If that is your point, fine. It's a dumb point, but so be it.
Do you think they are equal?
Yes, that is exactly my point, I've said as much already. If you think that Trump and Harris are in the same realm of bad character then why is it dumb that I think one is marginally better?
You also made no comments about Walz or Vance so why do I have to?
