RFK Jr offers explanation for Bill Gates & China buying up US farmland

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historian
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If true, this is extraordinary:



I can only hope that there will be a real investigation of this and a federal antitrust suit. Additionally, congress should pass a law banning foreign ownership of American farmland, especially near military bases (another serious security risk).
KaiBear
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Trump and Robert Kennedy could make a very productive partnership for the benefit of our country if they can keep their respective egos in check.
historian
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Add Elon Musk to that list & Tulsi Gabbard.
KaiBear
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historian said:

Add Elon Musk to that list & Tulsi Gabbard.


Tulsi possibly .

However I doubt Elon has the time to commit to a high profile cabinet position.
historian
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He's already agreed to head a task force to audit & streamline the federal govt. That's not cabinet level but arguably more important under modern circumstances.

KaiBear
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historian said:

He's already agreed to head a task force to audit & streamline the federal govt. That's not cabinet level but arguably more important under modern circumstances.




Streaming the federal government will be a harder , more frustrating challenge.

Porteroso
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This is just capitalism, Americans rigging the system politically, then creating a monopoly, then selling it to the highest bidder and cashing out. Obviously capitalism needs its checks and balances. In this situation, a reversal of some of these purported laws in NC, and a tightening of regulations such that housing pigs in warehouses is not possible.

When it comes to farmland, there does need to be some sort of show cause type thing for foreign buyers.
EatMoreSalmon
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Porteroso said:

This is just capitalism, Americans rigging the system politically, then creating a monopoly, then selling it to the highest bidder and cashing out. Obviously capitalism needs its checks and balances. In this situation, a reversal of some of these purported laws in NC, and a tightening of regulations such that housing pigs in warehouses is not possible.

When it comes to farmland, there does need to be some sort of show cause type thing for foreign buyers.
The pig raising method is capitalism along with the "franchise" standards. The law not allowing suits against the factory farms is cronyism, if true. Businesses don't need to be able to get such protection, especially food businesses.
historian
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"Crony capitalism" is not capitalism

Capitalism = free market

Free market means an economy without interference, fraud, monopolies, collusion, or otherwise cheating or rigging parts of the economy to control it by government or anyone else. Free means free.
BluesBear
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Pork is the absolutely worse food you could even possibly eat.....parasites in everything.
One-Eyed Wheeler
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I don't care who buys farm land. They can't take it any where.
historian
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But they can control what's grown there or leave it unproductive completely. Food can become a weapon in the US.
4th and Inches
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KaiBear said:

Trump and Robert Kennedy could make a very productive partnership for the benefit of our country if they can keep their respective egos in check.
but only if Trump wins and he wont..

(Sorry buddy! You deserved this one)
“The Internet is just a world passing around notes in a classroom.”

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4th and Inches said:

KaiBear said:

Trump and Robert Kennedy could make a very productive partnership for the benefit of our country if they can keep their respective egos in check.
but only if Trump wins and he wont..

(Sorry buddy! You deserved this one)


It's all good.

I am so relieved and happy with the results of this election it's indescribable.

Our country was on the verge of complete destruction. Now at least we have a chance. Hope we get the house and Republicans stay united supporting Trumps plans.
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Trump needs to get rid of this Howard Lutnick guy. I had a bad feeling that these establishment neocon types would try and take control of the Trump team.
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Porteroso said:

This is just capitalism, Americans rigging the system politically, then creating a monopoly, then selling it to the highest bidder and cashing out. Obviously capitalism needs its checks and balances. In this situation, a reversal of some of these purported laws in NC, and a tightening of regulations such that housing pigs in warehouses is not possible.

When it comes to farmland, there does need to be some sort of show cause type thing for foreign buyers.
Agree. Capitalism is by far the most effective system to allocate society's resources man has ever come up with.

But this has to be tempered with the knowledge that capitalism that is unrestricted by national borders can lead to foreign policy and national security failures (trade with China) and that the government must take an active role as an antitrust referee that prevents the development of monopolies and oligopolies to preserve a free market.

Finally, the work of a charity may run completely contrary to the tenents of capitalism. St Jude's hospital is a good example, where millions of dollars are spent on the care of disabled children just because it's the right thing to do.
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muddybrazos said:



Trump needs to get rid of this Howard Lutnick guy. I had a bad feeling that these establishment neocon types would try and take control of the Trump team.
Agree.

This was not a red wave, it was a Trump wave, and RFK was instrumental in getting Trump across the finish line. RFK gets to call his shot, not Howard Lutnick.
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Realitybites said:

muddybrazos said:



Trump needs to get rid of this Howard Lutnick guy. I had a bad feeling that these establishment neocon types would try and take control of the Trump team.
Agree.

This was not a red wave, it was a Trump wave, and RFK was instrumental in getting Trump across the finish line. RFK gets to call his shot, not Howard Lutnick.
I thought I saw on twitter that Howard Lutnick was walking this back, which he should if he said that. I just dont trust some of these Trump transition team people. They just want the power.
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muddybrazos said:



Trump needs to get rid of this Howard Lutnick guy. I had a bad feeling that these establishment neocon types would try and take control of the Trump team.
RFK will get what RFK wants and thats the JFK files and whatever position he wants. Getting a job in Dept of HHS may not be what he wants
“The Internet is just a world passing around notes in a classroom.”

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EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

This is just capitalism, Americans rigging the system politically, then creating a monopoly, then selling it to the highest bidder and cashing out. Obviously capitalism needs its checks and balances. In this situation, a reversal of some of these purported laws in NC, and a tightening of regulations such that housing pigs in warehouses is not possible.

When it comes to farmland, there does need to be some sort of show cause type thing for foreign buyers.
The pig raising method is capitalism along with the "franchise" standards. The law not allowing suits against the factory farms is cronyism, if true. Businesses don't need to be able to get such protection, especially food businesses.

It is extremely common in our American system of capitalism. It is normal.
Realitybites
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KaiBear said:


It's all good.

I am so relieved and happy with the results of this election it's indescribable.

Our country was on the verge of complete destruction. Now at least we have a chance. Hope we get the house and Republicans stay united supporting Trumps plans.


You and me both. I'm still hedging my bets, lets see how things turn out.
EatMoreSalmon
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Porteroso said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

This is just capitalism, Americans rigging the system politically, then creating a monopoly, then selling it to the highest bidder and cashing out. Obviously capitalism needs its checks and balances. In this situation, a reversal of some of these purported laws in NC, and a tightening of regulations such that housing pigs in warehouses is not possible.

When it comes to farmland, there does need to be some sort of show cause type thing for foreign buyers.
The pig raising method is capitalism along with the "franchise" standards. The law not allowing suits against the factory farms is cronyism, if true. Businesses don't need to be able to get such protection, especially food businesses.

It is extremely common in our American system of capitalism. It is normal.
Tax breaks are normal. Protection from lawsuits is not so much.

And I would prefer that tax breaks disappear. If you don't have favorable tax rates In your area, fix it. Would be better if the only support from government for business would be transportation, education, and utility infrastructure. Keep taxes lower for everyone. Don't make Ma and Pa and Bill's Diner across town pay more than necessary to support Amazon's distribution center. Make your town a desirable location by making it well run and with good education for families.
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BluesBear said:

Pork is the absolutely worse food you could even possibly eat.....parasites in everything.
You do realize almost all meat has parasites, right. Beef, Chicken, Hogs, Fish. Pigs are no exception, however, with the rise of large confinement sheds, and keeping hogs indoors, the rates of of such infections has plummeted over the last 60 plus years. It used to be common that infection from under cooked pork would not kill of Trichinella parasites. Such parasites are very rare these days.

Taeniasis in humans is a parasitic infection caused by the tapeworm species Taenia saginata (beef tapeworm). Internal parasites, primarily helminths, are common pathogens of the cattle industry and substantially impact the economics of cattle production worldwide.

Retail Meat Analyzed for Parasites
By Rosalie Marion Bliss
February 14, 2007
WASHINGTON, Feb. 14A recently completed survey of meats for a common microscopic parasite found none in raw beef and poultry and a low level in pork. The study focused on the parasite Toxoplasma gondii, which commonly infects animals and humans worldwide, and was conducted by scientists with the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The study was led by scientists Dolores E. Hill and Jitender P. Dubey of USDA's Agricultural Research Service (ARS) and was published in The Journal of Parasitology. Hill and Dubey are experts in parasitology research at ARS' Henry A. Wallace Beltsville (Md.) Agricultural Research Center (BARC).
The scientists analyzed samples of retail meat obtained from nearly 700 stores nationwide. More than 6,000 samples2,000 each of pork, chicken and beefwere purchased from stores in 28 major U.S. geographic areas. Each sample weighed a minimum of 2.2 pounds, for a total of more than 14,000 pounds of meat tested.

None of the raw beef and chicken meat samples contained live T. gondii parasites, based on a controlled analysis. In raw pork from retail meat cases nationwide, the prevalence of live T. gondii parasites was estimated at a low 0.4 percent, or about four per 1,000 samples.
"The survey shows that beef and chicken have negligible amounts of the parasite, while pork has extremely low levels that are effectively eliminated by proper cooking," said microbiologist Mark Jenkins, with ARS' Animal Parasitic Disease Laboratory at BARC.

Besides the consumption of undercooked meat, another route of T. gondii infection is exposure to egglike oocysts in the feces of infected cats. A rodent- or bird-eating cat that has T. gondii in its body expels millions of infectious-stage oocysts of the parasite during a week or two.
The parasite can seriously damage developing fetuses and persons with weakened immune systems, such as those infected with HIV, according to experts. Infants born to mothers who become infected for the first time just before or during pregnancy are at risk of developing severe toxoplasmosis due to T. gondii exposure.

The hardy encapsulated oocysts create the risk of infection when deposited in soil, sand and litter boxes or near farm animal feed. To reduce risk of infection, wash hands well after outdoor activities and after handling raw meat, and don't eat undercooked meat.
For more tips on reducing the risk of infection, go to:
www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/toxoplasmosis/factsht_toxoplasmosis.htm
Read more about this research in the February 2007 issue of Agricultural Research magazine.
ARS is the USDA's chief in-house scientific research agency.

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historian said:

But they can control what's grown there or leave it unproductive completely. Food can become a weapon in the US.
I highly doubt the U.S., in a time of war, would let some foreign owner of farm land in the U.S. sit idle. Now you are getting into lala land.
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Porteroso said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

This is just capitalism, Americans rigging the system politically, then creating a monopoly, then selling it to the highest bidder and cashing out. Obviously capitalism needs its checks and balances. In this situation, a reversal of some of these purported laws in NC, and a tightening of regulations such that housing pigs in warehouses is not possible.

When it comes to farmland, there does need to be some sort of show cause type thing for foreign buyers.
The pig raising method is capitalism along with the "franchise" standards. The law not allowing suits against the factory farms is cronyism, if true. Businesses don't need to be able to get such protection, especially food businesses.

It is extremely common in our American system of capitalism. It is normal.


What specific experience do you have with capitalism ?
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One-Eyed Wheeler said:

I don't care who buys farm land. They can't take it any where.


Enemies shouldn't be allowed to own American soil.
Porteroso
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KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

This is just capitalism, Americans rigging the system politically, then creating a monopoly, then selling it to the highest bidder and cashing out. Obviously capitalism needs its checks and balances. In this situation, a reversal of some of these purported laws in NC, and a tightening of regulations such that housing pigs in warehouses is not possible.

When it comes to farmland, there does need to be some sort of show cause type thing for foreign buyers.
The pig raising method is capitalism along with the "franchise" standards. The law not allowing suits against the factory farms is cronyism, if true. Businesses don't need to be able to get such protection, especially food businesses.

It is extremely common in our American system of capitalism. It is normal.


What specific experience do you have with capitalism ?

Amazing.
KaiBear
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Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

This is just capitalism, Americans rigging the system politically, then creating a monopoly, then selling it to the highest bidder and cashing out. Obviously capitalism needs its checks and balances. In this situation, a reversal of some of these purported laws in NC, and a tightening of regulations such that housing pigs in warehouses is not possible.

When it comes to farmland, there does need to be some sort of show cause type thing for foreign buyers.
The pig raising method is capitalism along with the "franchise" standards. The law not allowing suits against the factory farms is cronyism, if true. Businesses don't need to be able to get such protection, especially food businesses.

It is extremely common in our American system of capitalism. It is normal.


What specific experience do you have with capitalism ?

Amazing.


Typing a word is no evidence of experience.

Own a business ?
EatMoreSalmon
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One-Eyed Wheeler said:

historian said:

But they can control what's grown there or leave it unproductive completely. Food can become a weapon in the US.
I highly doubt the U.S., in a time of war, would let some foreign owner of farm land in the U.S. sit idle. Now you are getting into lala land.
So the government would grow food on that land in an emergency. That should go well.

You are digging a big hole of naivety for yourself here.
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