Obama behind the Russian collusion fraud?

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historian
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william
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Who funded the Fusion GPS 'investigation'???

That started the whole shameful shenanigan.......

- KKM

But Soetoro oversaw the entire 'silent coup'.... Culminating w/ the Jan 5 meeting.

Pathetic people.

Are you a man or a mouse!? - F. D.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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Wow, if true, it will be interesting to see if there are any actual repercussions.
Porteroso
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Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
muddybrazos
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Hopefully Barry Soetero will be deported back to his native Kenya.
BearlySpeaking
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Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.
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BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

Yep

Not to mention that the FBI has no right to spy on a domestic Presidential campiagn

That is still such a blatant violation of civil norms and the Constitution that its breathtaking

And Liberals and Leftists still defend it

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/declassified-records-shed-light-fbi-efforts-co-opt-intel-briefings-spy-2016-trump

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/fbi-abuses-domestic-surveillance-trump-campaign-eerily-echo-red-scare-ncna1113696
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Wow, if true, it will be interesting to see if there are any actual repercussions.
He and the Clintons seem pretty untouchable.

I doubt it.

historian
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The fascists are so arrogant they will never admit they were wrong about anything. Even when they were totally shellacked by the voters, many are still doubling form on their insane ideology & agenda.

It's hilarious and wonderful that two of the primary fascist propaganda outlets, CNN & MSNBC, have had their ratings drop so much that they are laying off lots of people including on air "talent". The View is now talking about adding some genuine alternative voices.
Porteroso
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BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
BearlySpeaking
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Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait.....
No, getting a foreign intelligence agency to conduct an operation against a presidential candidate from the other party over spurious financial allegations is absolutely not "exactly what you do." Incredible you think refraining from doing so is a "biased" position. Your view is clearly dependent on the party affiliation of the target, mine is not, so the bias is all yours.

And yes, traditionally our country has long steered away from opening criminal investigations into presidents and presidential candidates because of the political precedent it would set, until Obama and Biden decided to abandon that precedent. Your position is really strange because if you think opening a criminal investigation is "a crime against democracy," what in the world do you think colluding with a foreign intelligence agency to take down a presidential candidate from the opposing party is?
Married A Horn
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The connection to the bank was intentionally fabricated by some tech wizzes lefties at Georgia Tech (I think Georgia Tech). They made it look, on the surface, as if Trump towers servers and that bank were talking to each other.

Your premise doesnt hold up. There was no evidence - just evil liberals colluding together at every turn supplying fake evidence.

Does anyone know if anyone ever went to prison for any of that?
Redbrickbear
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Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias,

Dude....get a grip

It is exactly what you DO NOT do

If its not illegal....its highly unethical and violation of our electoral norms to have foreign countries interfere in our elections by trying to investigate Presidential candidates in the USA and trying to undermine our elections with unfounded rumors
Married A Horn
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Redbrickbear said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias,

Dude....get a grip

It is exactly what you DO NOT do

If its not illegal....its highly unethical and violation of our electoral norms to have foreign countries interfere in our elections by trying to investigate Presidential candidates in the USA and trying to undermine our elections with unfounded rumors


He still thinks they are true.
historian
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Married A Horn said:

The connection to the bank was intentionally fabricated by some tech wizzes lefties at Georgia Tech (I think Georgia Tech). They made it look, on the surface, as if Trump towers servers and that bank were talking to each other.

Your premise doesnt hold up. There was no evidence - just evil liberals colluding together at every turn supplying fake evidence.

Does anyone know if anyone ever went to prison for any of that?

If anyone did, they were most likely the wrong people.
Wangchung
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Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
Trump was impeached for asking a foreign country to look into allegations against the Bidens.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Sam Lowry
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Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
Trump was impeached for asking a foreign country to look into allegations against the Bidens.
Impeached rightly or wrongly?
Wangchung
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
Trump was impeached for asking a foreign country to look into allegations against the Bidens.
Impeached rightly or wrongly?
you tell me.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Sam Lowry
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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
Trump was impeached for asking a foreign country to look into allegations against the Bidens.
Impeached rightly or wrongly?
you tell me.
I said it was wrong at the time. What did you say?
Wangchung
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
Trump was impeached for asking a foreign country to look into allegations against the Bidens.
Impeached rightly or wrongly?
you tell me.
I said it was wrong at the time. What did you say?
At this point all that matters is what democrats thought and did.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Sam Lowry
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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
Trump was impeached for asking a foreign country to look into allegations against the Bidens.
Impeached rightly or wrongly?
you tell me.
I said it was wrong at the time. What did you say?
At this point all that matters is what democrats thought and did.
So...no principles, just payback?
Porteroso
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Redbrickbear said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias,

Dude....get a grip

It is exactly what you DO NOT do

If its not illegal....its highly unethical and violation of our electoral norms to have foreign countries interfere in our elections by trying to investigate Presidential candidates in the USA and trying to undermine our elections with unfounded rumors

Every potential President is investigated to some extent. The fact that you are so blissfully aware is incredible.
Porteroso
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Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
Trump was impeached for asking a foreign country to look into allegations against the Bidens.

Not quite accurate.
Wangchung
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Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
Trump was impeached for asking a foreign country to look into allegations against the Bidens.
Impeached rightly or wrongly?
you tell me.
I said it was wrong at the time. What did you say?
At this point all that matters is what democrats thought and did.
So...no principles, just payback?
If you want to dilute justice down to mere "payback" that's your choice but it doesn't make it so.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Married A Horn
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Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Sam Lowry said:

Wangchung said:

Porteroso said:

BearlySpeaking said:

Porteroso said:

Obama authorized investigations into Donald Trump's ties to Russia. There were banking connections, and allegations bring made. It was for the most part kept quiet until the 2016 election, because Obama did not want to influence it.

To blame the collusion hoax on Obama is a lazy swipe at Obama, nothing more. Pretty dumb.
You don't request a foreign nation to do an intelligence operation on an incoming president because there are "allegations." That is absolutely absurd.
If there is enough evidence to open a criminal investigation, then you assign it to the organization in our own country with jurisdiction. There was no credible evidence and no, even if there was credible evidence of a financial crime, a foreign intelligence agency does not have legal jurisdiction over an American citizen - especially a presidential candidate from the other party. There is no way to excuse this.

It is exactly what you do. You are blinded by bias, so you don't see that opening a criminal investigation into Trump would have really set people off and appeared to be a crime against democracy, oh wait......
Trump was impeached for asking a foreign country to look into allegations against the Bidens.
Impeached rightly or wrongly?
you tell me.
I said it was wrong at the time. What did you say?
At this point all that matters is what democrats thought and did.
So...no principles, just payback?
If you want to dilute justice down to mere "payback" that's your choice but it doesn't make it so.


I'm okay with paying back criminals with justice. I have no issues saying it.
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