Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

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The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

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invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

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Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

Quote:

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1
: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

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Better than arguing about the term "invasion"….just amid you don't care if millions of 3rd world peoples settle in America (or the Western world)

To most patriotic natives who have long opposed that kind of thing it's an invasion

Even if the corrupt political class conspires with the invaders to help them settle in the new land and possibly one day take over

A record 45.8m foreign-born people reside in the United States.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, arrive in the United States at an estimated rate of 1.5m annually. pic.twitter.com/uMsYFh4yun

— Center for Immigration Studies (@CIS_org) January 13, 2020

🚨America's illegal immigration crisis is shattering century-old records with alarming numbers:

2023: 3,201,144
2022: 2,766,582
2021: 1,956,519
2020: 405,036
2019: 859,501
2018: 404,142
2017: 310,531
2016: 415,816
2015: 337,117
2014: 486,651
2013: 420,789
2012: 364,768
2011:… pic.twitter.com/BEI9fKDNTQ

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) January 4, 2024

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Where was your definition even from? Did you make it up?

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Even for you, this is an odd hill to choose to die on. You're very obviously incorrect, yet you persist. At least arguing the logistics of mass deportation gives you ground to stand on when criticizing Trump's plan, albeit not enough to sway most people's opinion on this topic. You bored or inebriated?

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It's not a hill to die on. I don't mind anyone calling it an invasion, until the "invasion" is then used as a reason to deploy the military in our country. At that point, I think it is worth noting that it is not really an invasion. No foreign army is here, just decades of illegal immigration.

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Military forces are often deployed for reasons other than war

All over East Asia and Western Europe soldiers are often used to help out in natural disasters or to keep order on the streets in emergency situations.

Our own National Guard often preforms a similar function.

I would say that 10-20 million people here illegally would fit the bill of a "national emergency"

[Within hours of the devastating San Francisco earthquake and fire of April 1906, the California National Guard maintained order, protected lives and property and distributed relief supplies.

On September 24, 1957, President Dwight D. Eisenhower federalized the entire Arkansas National Guard to ensure the safe entry of the Little Rock Nine to Little Rock Central High School the following day. Governor Orval Faubus had previously used members of the guard to deny the students entry to the school.

The New York National Guard were ordered by Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller to respond to the Rochester 1964 race riot in July of that year. The California Army National Guard were mobilized by the Governor of California Edmund Gerald Brown Sr. during the Watts Riots, in August 1965, to provide security and help restore order.]

boognish_bear said:

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Married A Horn said:

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This is fascinating.

A red state construction CEO—and it’s Texas—goes on record not wanting to lose immigrant workers.

He favors a guest worker program to legalize employees, along the same lines as DACA. Hopes Congress will act.https://t.co/m4BmU8aR7P

— Steve Inskeep (@NPRinskeep) November 26, 2024

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Cheap slave labor. Doesnt want to pay Americans higher (real) wages. Of course he doesnt. Greed at the sacrifice of the Nation's safety and culture.

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How much more in pay will it take to get Americans to work in the fields?

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Lets find out

Wages will always grow to meet demand

Or the job will be automated.

Lets give Capitalism a chance

nein51 said:

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It's entirely plausible there isn't enough non migrant labor to fill those roles. About 1970 we started pretending trades don't matter and everyone should go to college.

I can tell you I need a finish carpenter to do the trim in my living room and I have been looking for at least 2 months with no luck.

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You don't live close enough to the Amish or Mennonites or you would have a quality one for cheap

But give it time and they might move close to you! lol

This is one way to secure a border. It's also easier for 10 miles vs 2,000 miles.

It is an international emergency.

This BS is going to end soon. pic.twitter.com/AlkTKfRdxl

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) November 26, 2024

Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

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The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

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invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

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Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

Quote:

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1
: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

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Better than arguing about the term "invasion"….just amid you don't care if millions of 3rd world peoples settle in America (or the Western world)

To most patriotic natives who have long opposed that kind of thing it's an invasion

Even if the corrupt political class conspires with the invaders to help them settle in the new land and possibly one day take over

A record 45.8m foreign-born people reside in the United States.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, arrive in the United States at an estimated rate of 1.5m annually. pic.twitter.com/uMsYFh4yun

— Center for Immigration Studies (@CIS_org) January 13, 2020

🚨America's illegal immigration crisis is shattering century-old records with alarming numbers:

2023: 3,201,144
2022: 2,766,582
2021: 1,956,519
2020: 405,036
2019: 859,501
2018: 404,142
2017: 310,531
2016: 415,816
2015: 337,117
2014: 486,651
2013: 420,789
2012: 364,768
2011:… pic.twitter.com/BEI9fKDNTQ

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) January 4, 2024

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Where was your definition even from? Did you make it up?

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Even for you, this is an odd hill to choose to die on. You're very obviously incorrect, yet you persist. At least arguing the logistics of mass deportation gives you ground to stand on when criticizing Trump's plan, albeit not enough to sway most people's opinion on this topic. You bored or inebriated?

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It's not a hill to die on. I don't mind anyone calling it an invasion, until the "invasion" is then used as a reason to deploy the military in our country. At that point, I think it is worth noting that it is not really an invasion. No foreign army is here, just decades of illegal immigration.

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Such bull*****

The description doesn't matter to those who have had a child raped by an illegal, had a drunk driving illegal kill their grandfather while he walked along a sidewalk, got robbed by a pair of illegals armed with knives and a glock, or had their sister raped and strangled by an illegal who was flown into their neighborhood by the Biden administration.

With the exception of Waco47 you remain the most clueless poster on this board. Don't know if you have a legitimate university degree or even work a full time job......but you desperately need to spend some time in the real world. Be it in East Saint Louis, Oakland, Oak Cliff or even New Orleans.

Deport Dreamers first. pic.twitter.com/gGKuPpgtIQ

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) November 26, 2024

nein51 said:

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It's entirely plausible there isn't enough non migrant labor to fill those roles. About 1970 we started pretending trades don't matter and everyone should go to college.

I can tell you I need a finish carpenter to do the trim in my living room and I have been looking for at least 2 months with no luck.

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where you at?

I know a few

Redbrickbear said:

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nein51 said:

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It's entirely plausible there isn't enough non migrant labor to fill those roles. About 1970 we started pretending trades don't matter and everyone should go to college.

I can tell you I need a finish carpenter to do the trim in my living room and I have been looking for at least 2 months with no luck.

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You don't live close enough to the Amish or Mennonites or you would have a quality one for cheap

But give it time and they might move close to you! lol

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Oh boy. I live maybe 25 miles from a massive Amish community one direction and about 50 from one another direction. The Yoder toters bring them here all the time.

Tell me you've never hired an Amish contractor without telling me. They are the Mexicans of this part of the country. They drive down labor prices and their work for non Amish is trash.

They are capable of really high quality work but they aren't doing it for you or me.

The way whites talk about immigrant tradesmen is EXACTLY how the Amish are talked about up here.

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nein51 said:

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It's entirely plausible there isn't enough non migrant labor to fill those roles. About 1970 we started pretending trades don't matter and everyone should go to college.

I can tell you I need a finish carpenter to do the trim in my living room and I have been looking for at least 2 months with no luck.

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where you at?

I know a few

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Probably nowhere close to you, unfortunately. Not a lot of members here in NE Ohio.

nein51 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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nein51 said:

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It's entirely plausible there isn't enough non migrant labor to fill those roles. About 1970 we started pretending trades don't matter and everyone should go to college.

I can tell you I need a finish carpenter to do the trim in my living room and I have been looking for at least 2 months with no luck.

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You don't live close enough to the Amish or Mennonites or you would have a quality one for cheap

But give it time and they might move close to you! lol

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Oh boy. I live maybe 25 miles from a massive Amish community one direction and about 50 from one another direction. The Yoder toters bring them here all the time.

Tell me you've never hired an Amish contractor without telling me. They are the Mexicans of this part of the country. They drive down labor prices and their work for non Amish is trash.

They are capable of really high quality work but they aren't doing it for you or me.

The way whites talk about immigrant tradesmen is EXACTLY how the Amish are talked about up here.

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Not Amish...but a Mennonite guy did our basement remodel.

Was great work and for very cheap.

He and his brothers and nephews came in and did it in 1 week and they also premade all the cabinetry

They can drive trucks so it was easy for them to come into town

Redbrickbear said:

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nein51 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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nein51 said:

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It's entirely plausible there isn't enough non migrant labor to fill those roles. About 1970 we started pretending trades don't matter and everyone should go to college.

I can tell you I need a finish carpenter to do the trim in my living room and I have been looking for at least 2 months with no luck.

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You don't live close enough to the Amish or Mennonites or you would have a quality one for cheap

But give it time and they might move close to you! lol

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Oh boy. I live maybe 25 miles from a massive Amish community one direction and about 50 from one another direction. The Yoder toters bring them here all the time.

Tell me you've never hired an Amish contractor without telling me. They are the Mexicans of this part of the country. They drive down labor prices and their work for non Amish is trash.

They are capable of really high quality work but they aren't doing it for you or me.

The way whites talk about immigrant tradesmen is EXACTLY how the Amish are talked about up here.

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Not Amish...but a Mennonite guy did our basement remodel.

Was great work and for very cheap.

He and his brothers and nephews came in and did it in 1 week and they also premade all the cabinetry

They can drive trucks so it was easy for them to come into town

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Did he have great hair?

Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

---

The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

---

invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

---

Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

Quote:

---

1
: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

---

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Better than arguing about the term "invasion"….just amid you don't care if millions of 3rd world peoples settle in America (or the Western world)

To most patriotic natives who have long opposed that kind of thing it's an invasion

Even if the corrupt political class conspires with the invaders to help them settle in the new land and possibly one day take over

A record 45.8m foreign-born people reside in the United States.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, arrive in the United States at an estimated rate of 1.5m annually. pic.twitter.com/uMsYFh4yun

— Center for Immigration Studies (@CIS_org) January 13, 2020

🚨America's illegal immigration crisis is shattering century-old records with alarming numbers:

2023: 3,201,144
2022: 2,766,582
2021: 1,956,519
2020: 405,036
2019: 859,501
2018: 404,142
2017: 310,531
2016: 415,816
2015: 337,117
2014: 486,651
2013: 420,789
2012: 364,768
2011:… pic.twitter.com/BEI9fKDNTQ

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) January 4, 2024

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Where was your definition even from? Did you make it up?

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Even for you, this is an odd hill to choose to die on. You're very obviously incorrect, yet you persist. At least arguing the logistics of mass deportation gives you ground to stand on when criticizing Trump's plan, albeit not enough to sway most people's opinion on this topic. You bored or inebriated?

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It's not a hill to die on. I don't mind anyone calling it an invasion, until the "invasion" is then used as a reason to deploy the military in our country. At that point, I think it is worth noting that it is not really an invasion. No foreign army is here, just decades of illegal immigration.

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Military forces are often deployed for reasons other than war

All over East Asia and Western Europe soldiers are often used to help out in natural disasters or to keep order on the streets in emergency situations.

Our own National Guard often preforms a similar function.

I would say that 10-20 million people here illegally would fit the bill of a "national emergency"

[Within hours of the devastating San Francisco earthquake and fire of April 1906, the California National Guard maintained order, protected lives and property and distributed relief supplies.

On September 24, 1957, President Dwight D. Eisenhower federalized the entire Arkansas National Guard to ensure the safe entry of the Little Rock Nine to Little Rock Central High School the following day. Governor Orval Faubus had previously used members of the guard to deny the students entry to the school.

The New York National Guard were ordered by Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller to respond to the Rochester 1964 race riot in July of that year. The California Army National Guard were mobilized by the Governor of California Edmund Gerald Brown Sr. during the Watts Riots, in August 1965, to provide security and help restore order.]

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You'd have to have read the thread to be up to speed with the conversation. I am fine with the National Guard being used as a backup to immigration enforcement, if mass deportations will occur. An example being 1 ICE official showing up with 6 National Guard troops to conduct a deportation.

But it's not fine for the National Guard to be the primary force used to deport illegals, because inevitably there will be conflict, as well as mistakes made, and Americans will be involved. An example being 7 National Guard showing up at the wrong house to conduct a deportation.

And then zealots were like "nope call in the military to do it all! It's an invasion!" Now we are here, and I am arguing the only reasonable angle, which is that in the context of calling in the military on American soil, it is hardly an invasion that we need to roll out the military for. Roll it out as support, given the scope of the operation, sure, but do not deploy the military as a primary force to solve domestic issues.

Something something Constitution blah blah.

historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

---

The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

---

invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

---

Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

Quote:

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1
: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

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It fits your second definition: 10 million illegals are clearly hurtful to America in many ways. It's not only Laken Riley.

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That is arguable. Say there are 40 million. Most contribute to the economy and are not a problem for their neighbors. Are there illegals that are hurtful? Absolutely, but also many more citizens are hurtful. We don't say Detroit has been invaded by hurtful violent criminals though, because it hasn't.

KaiBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

---

The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

---

invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

---

Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

Quote:

---

1
: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

---

---

Better than arguing about the term "invasion"….just amid you don't care if millions of 3rd world peoples settle in America (or the Western world)

To most patriotic natives who have long opposed that kind of thing it's an invasion

Even if the corrupt political class conspires with the invaders to help them settle in the new land and possibly one day take over

A record 45.8m foreign-born people reside in the United States.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, arrive in the United States at an estimated rate of 1.5m annually. pic.twitter.com/uMsYFh4yun

— Center for Immigration Studies (@CIS_org) January 13, 2020

🚨America's illegal immigration crisis is shattering century-old records with alarming numbers:

2023: 3,201,144
2022: 2,766,582
2021: 1,956,519
2020: 405,036
2019: 859,501
2018: 404,142
2017: 310,531
2016: 415,816
2015: 337,117
2014: 486,651
2013: 420,789
2012: 364,768
2011:… pic.twitter.com/BEI9fKDNTQ

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) January 4, 2024

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Where was your definition even from? Did you make it up?

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Even for you, this is an odd hill to choose to die on. You're very obviously incorrect, yet you persist. At least arguing the logistics of mass deportation gives you ground to stand on when criticizing Trump's plan, albeit not enough to sway most people's opinion on this topic. You bored or inebriated?

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It's not a hill to die on. I don't mind anyone calling it an invasion, until the "invasion" is then used as a reason to deploy the military in our country. At that point, I think it is worth noting that it is not really an invasion. No foreign army is here, just decades of illegal immigration.

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Such bull*****

The description doesn't matter to those who have had a child raped by an illegal, had a drunk driving illegal kill their grandfather while he walked along a sidewalk, got robbed by a pair of illegals armed with knives and a glock, or had their sister raped and strangled by an illegal who was flown into their neighborhood by the Biden administration.

With the exception of Waco47 you remain the most clueless poster on this board. Don't know if you have a legitimate university degree or even work a full time job......but you desperately need to spend some time in the real world. Be it in East Saint Louis, Oakland, Oak Cliff or even New Orleans.

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As I've posted before, I live near one of the most dangerous zip codes in the country, I live on a street where whites are in the minority, in a city where whites are a minority. Go with some other narrative cuz this one was a narrative of ignorance.

Married A Horn said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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nein51 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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nein51 said:

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It's entirely plausible there isn't enough non migrant labor to fill those roles. About 1970 we started pretending trades don't matter and everyone should go to college.

I can tell you I need a finish carpenter to do the trim in my living room and I have been looking for at least 2 months with no luck.

---

You don't live close enough to the Amish or Mennonites or you would have a quality one for cheap

But give it time and they might move close to you! lol

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Oh boy. I live maybe 25 miles from a massive Amish community one direction and about 50 from one another direction. The Yoder toters bring them here all the time.

Tell me you've never hired an Amish contractor without telling me. They are the Mexicans of this part of the country. They drive down labor prices and their work for non Amish is trash.

They are capable of really high quality work but they aren't doing it for you or me.

The way whites talk about immigrant tradesmen is EXACTLY how the Amish are talked about up here.

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Not Amish...but a Mennonite guy did our basement remodel.

Was great work and for very cheap.

He and his brothers and nephews came in and did it in 1 week and they also premade all the cabinetry

They can drive trucks so it was easy for them to come into town

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Did he have great hair?

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Bowl cut

All of them did

nein51 said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

---

1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

---

The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

---

invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

---

Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

Quote:

---

1
: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

---

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It fits your second definition: 10 million illegals are clearly hurtful to America in many ways. It's not only Laken Riley.

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That is arguable. Say there are 40 million. Most contribute to the economy and are not a problem for their neighbors. Are there illegals that are hurtful? Absolutely, but also many more citizens are hurtful. We don't say Detroit has been invaded by hurtful violent criminals though, because it hasn't.

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Oooh careful now. Parts of Detroit most certainly have been invaded…but they speak Arabic and not Spanish. There are sections of Detroit where the road signs are in English and Arabic.

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Again, I'm ok with invasion being a description, as long as you aren't talking about rolling tanks into the Arabic speaking portion of Detroit and conducting mass deportations. At that point, someone has to point out it isn't that type of invasion.

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

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The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

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invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

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Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

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: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
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It fits your second definition: 10 million illegals are clearly hurtful to America in many ways. It's not only Laken Riley.

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That is arguable. Say there are 40 million. Most contribute to the economy and are not a problem for their neighbors. Are there illegals that are hurtful? Absolutely, but also many more citizens are hurtful. We don't say Detroit has been invaded by hurtful violent criminals though, because it hasn't.

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Oooh careful now. Parts of Detroit most certainly have been invaded…but they speak Arabic and not Spanish. There are sections of Detroit where the road signs are in English and Arabic.

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Again, I'm ok with invasion being a description, as long as you aren't talking about rolling tanks into the Arabic speaking portion of Detroit and conducting mass deportations. At that point, someone has to point out it isn't that type of invasion.

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No one is talking about rolling in tanks to deport the mojados. The military very obviously would be used for manpower to function as an arm of ICE and help with operating deportation centers. Maybe even to take back apartment complexes from Venezuelan gangs. They won't be turning American cities into war zones. But let's be honest, you knew that was the case already.

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Thank you

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

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The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

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invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

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Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

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: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
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: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

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Better than arguing about the term "invasion"….just amid you don't care if millions of 3rd world peoples settle in America (or the Western world)

To most patriotic natives who have long opposed that kind of thing it's an invasion

Even if the corrupt political class conspires with the invaders to help them settle in the new land and possibly one day take over

A record 45.8m foreign-born people reside in the United States.

Immigrants, legal and illegal, arrive in the United States at an estimated rate of 1.5m annually. pic.twitter.com/uMsYFh4yun

— Center for Immigration Studies (@CIS_org) January 13, 2020

🚨America's illegal immigration crisis is shattering century-old records with alarming numbers:

2023: 3,201,144
2022: 2,766,582
2021: 1,956,519
2020: 405,036
2019: 859,501
2018: 404,142
2017: 310,531
2016: 415,816
2015: 337,117
2014: 486,651
2013: 420,789
2012: 364,768
2011:… pic.twitter.com/BEI9fKDNTQ

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) January 4, 2024

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Where was your definition even from? Did you make it up?

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Even for you, this is an odd hill to choose to die on. You're very obviously incorrect, yet you persist. At least arguing the logistics of mass deportation gives you ground to stand on when criticizing Trump's plan, albeit not enough to sway most people's opinion on this topic. You bored or inebriated?

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It's not a hill to die on. I don't mind anyone calling it an invasion, until the "invasion" is then used as a reason to deploy the military in our country. At that point, I think it is worth noting that it is not really an invasion. No foreign army is here, just decades of illegal immigration.

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Military forces are often deployed for reasons other than war

All over East Asia and Western Europe soldiers are often used to help out in natural disasters or to keep order on the streets in emergency situations.

Our own National Guard often preforms a similar function.

I would say that 10-20 million people here illegally would fit the bill of a "national emergency"

[Within hours of the devastating San Francisco earthquake and fire of April 1906, the California National Guard maintained order, protected lives and property and distributed relief supplies.

On September 24, 1957, President Dwight D. Eisenhower federalized the entire Arkansas National Guard to ensure the safe entry of the Little Rock Nine to Little Rock Central High School the following day. Governor Orval Faubus had previously used members of the guard to deny the students entry to the school.

The New York National Guard were ordered by Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller to respond to the Rochester 1964 race riot in July of that year. The California Army National Guard were mobilized by the Governor of California Edmund Gerald Brown Sr. during the Watts Riots, in August 1965, to provide security and help restore order.]

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You'd have to have read the thread to be up to speed with the conversation. I am fine with the National Guard being used as a backup to immigration enforcement, if mass deportations will occur. An example being 1 ICE official showing up with 6 National Guard troops to conduct a deportation.

But it's not fine for the National Guard to be the primary force used to deport illegals, because inevitably there will be conflict, as well as mistakes made, and Americans will be involved. An example being 7 National Guard showing up at the wrong house to conduct a deportation.

And then zealots were like "nope call in the military to do it all! It's an invasion!" Now we are here, and I am arguing the only reasonable angle, which is that in the context of calling in the military on American soil, it is hardly an invasion that we need to roll out the military for. Roll it out as support, given the scope of the operation, sure, but do not deploy the military as a primary force to solve domestic issues.

Something something Constitution blah blah.

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There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents the President from using the US military to secure the borders

Or to call out the National Guard to help in the deportation of domestic aliens inside the US

Day one Trump should tell the political Generals at the Pentagon to deploy troops to the border to secure it from drugs & invaders or they are fired.

And he should call out the National Guard to help with deportations in our cities and towns.

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

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The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

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invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

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Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

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: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
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: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

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It fits your second definition: 10 million illegals are clearly hurtful to America in many ways. It's not only Laken Riley.

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That is arguable. Say there are 40 million. Most contribute to the economy and are not a problem for their neighbors. Are there illegals that are hurtful? Absolutely, but also many more citizens are hurtful. We don't say Detroit has been invaded by hurtful violent criminals though, because it hasn't.

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Oooh careful now. Parts of Detroit most certainly have been invaded…but they speak Arabic and not Spanish. There are sections of Detroit where the road signs are in English and Arabic.

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Again, I'm ok with invasion being a description, as long as you aren't talking about rolling tanks into the Arabic speaking portion of Detroit and conducting mass deportations. At that point, someone has to point out it isn't that type of invasion.

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So I also agree that words have meaning and we need to be careful about how we use them. I don't *think* anyone is talking about tanks. They could be but I don't think I've seen that.

I think most of the conversation has centered around illegals who are also criminals (more than just immigration law criminals). The support for that is very, very high.

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The support for deporting all illegal immigrants is high as well, not just the criminals. As it should be.

Deport and make them come in legally with a temp work visa if we want. They should have ID and a background check, they should pay for that processing as well.

Absolutely zero reason for citizens to be forced by the government to accept open borders and/or illegal workers. Such a simple concept. Everyone comes in legally, very simple.

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Support for that might be high but it's going to be very expensive and very complex. The public likes lots of ideas that don't work…it's why high speed rail comes up at least every 6 months.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/nation-world/mexico-suggests-tariffs-to-retaliate-against-trump/507-f39f0c6d-2b91-4d0f-bc0b-3d9ec1681f1f

Mexico suggests it would impose its own tariffs to retaliate against any Trump tariffs
President-elect Donald Trump threatened tariffs against Mexico, Canada and China until "drugs, in particular Fentanyl, and all Illegal Aliens" stop "invading."

MEXICO CITY, Mexico President Claudia Sheinbaum suggested Tuesday that Mexico could retaliate with tariffs of its own, after U.S. President-elect Donald Trump threatened to impose 25% import duties on Mexican goods if the country doesn't stop the flow of drugs and migrants across the border.

Sheinbaum said she was willing to engage in talks on the issues, but said drugs were a U.S. problem.

"One tariff would be followed by another in response, and so on until we put at risk common businesses," Sheinbaum said, referring to U.S. automakers that have plants on both sides of the border.

She said Tuesday that Mexico had done a lot to stem the flow of migrants, noting "caravans of migrants no longer reach the border." However, Mexico's efforts to fight drugs like the deadly synthetic opioid fentanyl which is manufactured by Mexican cartels using chemicals imported from China have weakened in the last year.

Sheinbaum said Mexico suffered from an influx of weapons smuggled in from the United States, and said the flow of drugs "is a problem of public health and consumption in your country's society."

Sheinbaum also criticized U.S. spending on weapons, saying the money should instead be spent regionally to address the problem of migration. "If a percentage of what the United States spends on war were dedicated to peace and development, that would address the underlying causes of migration," she said.

Sheinbaum's bristly response suggests that Trump faces a much different Mexican president than he did in his first term.

Back in late 2018, former President Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador was a charismatic, old-school politician who developed a chummy relationship with Trump. The two were eventually able to strike a bargain in which Mexico helped keep migrants away from the border and received other countries' deported migrants and Trump backed down on the threats.

But Sheinbaum, who took office Oct. 1, is a stern leftist ideologue trained in radical student protest movements, and appears less willing to pacify or mollify Trump.

"We negotiate as equals, there is no subordination here, because we are a great nation," Sheinbaum said, while adding, "I think we are going to reach an agreement."

But Gabriela Siller, director of economic analysis of the financial group Banco Base, fears the personality clash could escalate things into brinkmanship; Trump clearly hates to lose.

"Trump may have just tossed the threat out there, as he does," Siller said. "But Mexico's response, that we're going to respond to you with tariffs, that will make Trump really impose them."

It's not clear how serious Trump's threat is. The U.S.-Mexico-Canada free trade agreement forbids just imposing tariffs on other member countries. And it's not clear whether the economy could even tolerate sudden levies on imports: Auto plants on both sides of the border rely on each other for parts and components, and some production lines could screech to a halt.

"It is unacceptable and would cause inflation and job losses in Mexico and the United States," Sheinbaum said, while offering to talk about the issues. "If tariffs go up, who will it hurt? General Motors," she said.

"Dialogue is the best path to achieve understanding, peace and prosperity for our two countries," Sheinbaum said. "I hope our teams can meet soon."

Late Monday, Trump said he would impose a 25% tax on all products entering the country from Canada and Mexico, and an additional 10% tariff on goods from China, as one of his first executive orders.

The tariffs, if implemented, could dramatically raise prices for American consumers on everything from gas to automobiles to agricultural products. The U.S. is the largest importer of goods in the world, with Mexico, China and Canada its top three suppliers, according to the most recent U.S. Census data.

Trump made the threats Monday in a pair of posts on his Truth Social site in which he railed against an influx of illegal migrants, even though apprehensions at the southern border have been hovering near four-year lows.

"On January 20th, as one of my many first Executive Orders, I will sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products coming into the United States, and its ridiculous Open Borders," he wrote.

He said the new tariffs would remain in place "until such time as Drugs, in particular Fentanyl, and all Illegal Aliens stop this Invasion of our Country!"

"Both Mexico and Canada have the absolute right and power to easily solve this long simmering problem. We hereby demand that they use this power," he went on, "and until such time that they do, it is time for them to pay a very big price!"

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

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The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

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invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

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Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

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: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

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It fits your second definition: 10 million illegals are clearly hurtful to America in many ways. It's not only Laken Riley.

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That is arguable. Say there are 40 million. Most contribute to the economy and are not a problem for their neighbors. Are there illegals that are hurtful? Absolutely, but also many more citizens are hurtful. We don't say Detroit has been invaded by hurtful violent criminals though, because it hasn't.

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I was focusing on the 10-20 million brought in under Biden-Harris but, like most Americans, I'd be willing to consider all illegals. They are all criminals who came here illegally. That's why they are accurately labeled "illegal" aliens.

Not punishing criminals is in itself harmful. That's self-evident made more so by all the cities run into the ground by decades of Democrat leadership. Detroit might be the best example. San Fran, Milwaukee, & others all help to illustrate that failing to punish criminals causes lots of problems. Again, this is obvious to everyone else.

Whether it's defunding the police & refusing to jail offenders to being a sanctuary for illegals, fascist politicians have repeatedly demonstrated that they are ok with some people breaking the law. Taxpayers, productive citizens, property owners, and everyone else become victims.

It's amazing how many people vote for such stupidity and then complain when they experience the results!

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I will just say 1 more thing, it isn't an invasion, but at least Trump's plan is something. The numbers of illegals are not an invasion of the past 4 years, but in reality decades of Congress and many Presidents punting the ball all the way to 2024.

The majority of America does not think mass deportation is the best solution, imo, but that it is the only solution that anyone is willing to attempt. It is either Trump's way, or continue as normal.

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1. Yes it has been an invasion....pretty unprecedented really. Possible 8-10 million people over our borders in just 4 years. Just 48 months....100k to 200k a month crossing over and settling in our cities and towns.

Wild

2. Yes we know that Congress and lots of Presidents have turned a blind eye....they all like the cheap labor.

3. A majority of Americans...including Latino men....favor mass deportations

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The dictionary matters. You call it an invasion because it makes it into a friend v foe situation that small minds can understand.

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invasion

/invZH()n/

[an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.

"stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"]

[an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

"random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy"]

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Fans might invade a stadium. Armies invade countries.

Also that is one heck of a cherry picked definition. Not Merriam Webster!

Quote:

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: an act of invading
especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder
2
: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

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It fits your second definition: 10 million illegals are clearly hurtful to America in many ways. It's not only Laken Riley.

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That is arguable. Say there are 40 million. Most contribute to the economy and are not a problem for their neighbors. Are there illegals that are hurtful? Absolutely, but also many more citizens are hurtful. We don't say Detroit has been invaded by hurtful violent criminals though, because it hasn't.

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Oooh careful now. Parts of Detroit most certainly have been invaded…but they speak Arabic and not Spanish. There are sections of Detroit where the road signs are in English and Arabic.

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Again, I'm ok with invasion being a description, as long as you aren't talking about rolling tanks into the Arabic speaking portion of Detroit and conducting mass deportations. At that point, someone has to point out it isn't that type of invasion.

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So I also agree that words have meaning and we need to be careful about how we use them. I don't *think* anyone is talking about tanks. They could be but I don't think I've seen that.

I think most of the conversation has centered around illegals who are also criminals (more than just immigration law criminals). The support for that is very, very high.

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The support for deporting all illegal immigrants is high as well, not just the criminals. As it should be.

Deport and make them come in legally with a temp work visa if we want. They should have ID and a background check, they should pay for that processing as well.

Absolutely zero reason for citizens to be forced by the government to accept open borders and/or illegal workers. Such a simple concept. Everyone comes in legally, very simple.

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And zero reason for taxpayers to pay any of the expenses.