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To hard a stupid and illogical assumption. There is no reason to believe that the GOP will become fascist, a socialist ideology. The GOP has always been the opposite. The Dems are far more likely to be fascist since they are already socialist, many openly admitting it. In fact, they are the true fascists. And that's pretty clear when one properly understands what the term really means.

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Fascism was specifically designed as a form of socialism that appealed to conservatives and anti-communists.

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Fascism is a form of socialism that focuses primarily on gaining and exploiting power. Conservative anti-communism is also anti-socialist because the emphasis is on individual freedom. That's the opposite of socialism in all its forms.

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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To hard a stupid and illogical assumption. There is no reason to believe that the GOP will become fascist, a socialist ideology. The GOP has always been the opposite. The Dems are far more likely to be fascist since they are already socialist, many openly admitting it. In fact, they are the true fascists. And that's pretty clear when one properly understands what the term really means.

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Fascism was specifically designed as a form of socialism that appealed to conservatives and anti-communists.

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Fascism is a form of socialism that focuses primarily on gaining and exploiting power. Conservative anti-communism is also anti-socialist because the emphasis is on individual freedom. That's the opposite of socialism in all its forms.

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Or so the literal-minded Germans thought.

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historian said:

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To hard a stupid and illogical assumption. There is no reason to believe that the GOP will become fascist, a socialist ideology. The GOP has always been the opposite. The Dems are far more likely to be fascist since they are already socialist, many openly admitting it. In fact, they are the true fascists. And that's pretty clear when one properly understands what the term really means.

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Fascism was specifically designed as a form of socialism that appealed to conservatives and anti-communists.

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Communism, fascism and socialism differ in economic policy, but they all utilize the extreme force of government to carry out their agenda.

Both democrats and GOP could gain extreme power, but we have limited government baked into our constitution which makes that very difficult to pull off legally.

I would make the case that the establishment is closer to fascism because they utilize bureaucracy and sketchy funding like USAID to carry out their agenda. They're trying to bypass our constitution by being a 4th branch of government. Left leaning individuals are MUCH more inclined to exhibit this kind of behavior.

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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To hard a stupid and illogical assumption. There is no reason to believe that the GOP will become fascist, a socialist ideology. The GOP has always been the opposite. The Dems are far more likely to be fascist since they are already socialist, many openly admitting it. In fact, they are the true fascists. And that's pretty clear when one properly understands what the term really means.

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Fascism was specifically designed as a form of socialism that appealed to conservatives and anti-communists.

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Communism, fascism and socialism differ in economic policy, but they all utilize the extreme force of government to carry out their agenda.

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This is not hard: communism, fascism, socialism, capitalism, mercantilism, etc. are ECONOMIC SYSTEMS.

Monarchy, democracy, authoritarianism, oligarchy, etc. are POLITICAL SYSTEMS.

One could easily have a fascist or socialist state in a democracy - in fact many democracies are quasi-socialist. Theoretically, one could have a authoritarian-capitalist state, which China sort of tried but fell back into more fascism.

The only of those economic systems based on freedom is capitalism.

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The only of those economic systems based on freedom is capitalism.

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That's a difference question.

Theoretically, a democracy could vote to be fascist, socialist, communist, mercantilist, etc. ... so not sure you're exactly right.

Freedom has nothing to do with economic systems. There could be freedom or no freedom in any of the above.

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The only of those economic systems based on freedom is capitalism.

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That's a difference question.

Theoretically, a democracy could vote to be fascist, socialist, communist, mercantilist, etc. ... so not sure you're exactly right.

Freedom has nothing to do with economic systems. There could be freedom or no freedom in any of the above.

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Actually, democracy is chaotic and unstable. Which is why the US is a republic. Democracy, simply put, is majority rule. That's it. The majority can do whatever they want and no one can differ. A lynch mob is a great example of democracy in action.

Freedom is at the heart of capitalism: laissez faire literally means the government keeps its hands off as much as possible resulting in the people, millions of individuals, having the freedom to make their own choices. Other economic systems might involve freedom but usually considerably less. Socialism and all its variations take away freedoms with the state making all the decisions and the people paying the price. That helps to explain why they create gulags, concentration camps, and other horrors to terrorize their populations.

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The only of those economic systems based on freedom is capitalism.

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That's a difference question.

Theoretically, a democracy could vote to be fascist, socialist, communist, mercantilist, etc. ... so not sure you're exactly right.

Freedom has nothing to do with economic systems. There could be freedom or no freedom in any of the above.

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Actually, democracy is chaotic and unstable. Which is why the US is a republic. Democracy, simply put, is majority rule. That's it. The majority can do whatever they want and no one can differ. A lynch mob is a great example of democracy in action.

Freedom is at the heart of capitalism: laissez faire literally means the government keeps its hands off as much as possible resulting in the people, millions of individuals, having the freedom to make their own choices. Other economic systems might involve freedom but usually considerably less. Socialism and all its variations take away freedoms with the state making all the decisions and the people paying the price. That helps to explain why they create gulags, concentration camps, and other horrors to terrorize their populations.

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Of course. No question certain economic systems align with certain political systems practically ... hence the "theoretically."

My biggest pet peeve is 99.99% of the people that use "fascism" have no idea what it means. We have such a stupid country, especially journos.

That ignorance is why I insist on using it when it's appropriate. I am determined to use the term accurately and sometimes I can educate people.

This is where I finally lose patience with the meme-spamming, friend. Putting you on ignore for a while...will catch up later and hopefully you'll be doing better.

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Sam Lowry said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

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Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

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It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

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Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

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It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

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I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

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Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

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It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

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I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

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Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

---

Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

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It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

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I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

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Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

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Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

---

Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

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It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

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I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

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Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

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Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

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Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

---

Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

---

It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

---

Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

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I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

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Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

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Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

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Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

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If you're trying to win some argument against "the left," you won't accomplish that here. You'd do better criticizing liberals on a liberal forum. They might actually need to hear it.

Y'all mostly repeat and reinforce each other's opinions. Any dissent, even from other conservatives, is deflected with "what about Biden." Okay, if that makes you feel good, but don't imagine it's anything more than a defensive mechanism.

The question is, do we actually want to deal with the aftermath or just make excuses?

Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

---

They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

---

Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

---

It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

---

Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

---

I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

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Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

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Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

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Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

---

If you're trying to win some argument against "the left," you won't accomplish that here. You'd do better criticizing liberals on a liberal forum. They might actually need to hear it.

Y'all mostly repeat and reinforce each other's opinions. Any dissent, even from other conservatives, is deflected with "what about Biden." Okay, if that makes you feel good, but don't imagine it's anything more than a defensive mechanism.

The question is, do we actually want to deal with the aftermath or just make excuses?

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Remember what started this, you said that Republicans had taken the place of racist Democrats of the past, like that had stopped. It hasn't.

Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

---

They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

---

Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

---

It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

---

Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

---

I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

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Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

---

Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

---

Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

---

If you're trying to win some argument against "the left," you won't accomplish that here. You'd do better criticizing liberals on a liberal forum. They might actually need to hear it.

Y'all mostly repeat and reinforce each other's opinions. Any dissent, even from other conservatives, is deflected with "what about Biden." Okay, if that makes you feel good, but don't imagine it's anything more than a defensive mechanism.

The question is, do we actually want to deal with the aftermath or just make excuses?

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Remember what started this, you said that Republicans had taken the place of racist Democrats of the past, like that had stopped. It hasn't.

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You're arguing that it's been replaced by the "bigotry of low expectations." That's a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right.

Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

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Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

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It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

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I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

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Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

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Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

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Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

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If you're trying to win some argument against "the left," you won't accomplish that here. You'd do better criticizing liberals on a liberal forum. They might actually need to hear it.

Y'all mostly repeat and reinforce each other's opinions. Any dissent, even from other conservatives, is deflected with "what about Biden." Okay, if that makes you feel good, but don't imagine it's anything more than a defensive mechanism.

The question is, do we actually want to deal with the aftermath or just make excuses?

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Remember what started this, you said that Republicans had taken the place of racist Democrats of the past, like that had stopped. It hasn't.

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You're arguing that it's been replaced by the "bigotry of low expectations." That's a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right.

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"Bigotry of low expectations" vs "Bigotry of alt-right?" Remember the black liberal leaders are calling blacks that see the light and come over to the right as Uncle Tom's, traitors and other nasty things. The Republicans are welcoming them. There may be a black Republican POTUS in 2028 or 2032 in Byron Donald. Faaaast rising star

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

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Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

---

It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

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I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

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Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

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Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

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Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

---

If you're trying to win some argument against "the left," you won't accomplish that here. You'd do better criticizing liberals on a liberal forum. They might actually need to hear it.

Y'all mostly repeat and reinforce each other's opinions. Any dissent, even from other conservatives, is deflected with "what about Biden." Okay, if that makes you feel good, but don't imagine it's anything more than a defensive mechanism.

The question is, do we actually want to deal with the aftermath or just make excuses?

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Remember what started this, you said that Republicans had taken the place of racist Democrats of the past, like that had stopped. It hasn't.

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You're arguing that it's been replaced by the "bigotry of low expectations." That's a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right.

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Remember the black liberal leaders are calling blacks that see the light and come over to the right as Uncle Tom's, traitors and other nasty things.

---

Still a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right, if it's even bigotry at all.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

---

Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

---

It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

---

I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

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Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

---

Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

---

Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

---

If you're trying to win some argument against "the left," you won't accomplish that here. You'd do better criticizing liberals on a liberal forum. They might actually need to hear it.

Y'all mostly repeat and reinforce each other's opinions. Any dissent, even from other conservatives, is deflected with "what about Biden." Okay, if that makes you feel good, but don't imagine it's anything more than a defensive mechanism.

The question is, do we actually want to deal with the aftermath or just make excuses?

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Remember what started this, you said that Republicans had taken the place of racist Democrats of the past, like that had stopped. It hasn't.

---

You're arguing that it's been replaced by the "bigotry of low expectations." That's a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right.

---

Remember the black liberal leaders are calling blacks that see the light and come over to the right as Uncle Tom's, traitors and other nasty things.

---

Still a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right, if it's even bigotry at all.

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Not even close. These are actual Democrat Senators and Reps vs extreme far right that nobody on the right wants to have anything to do with.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

---

They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

---

Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

---

It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

---

Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

---

I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

---

Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

---

Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

---

Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

---

If you're trying to win some argument against "the left," you won't accomplish that here. You'd do better criticizing liberals on a liberal forum. They might actually need to hear it.

Y'all mostly repeat and reinforce each other's opinions. Any dissent, even from other conservatives, is deflected with "what about Biden." Okay, if that makes you feel good, but don't imagine it's anything more than a defensive mechanism.

The question is, do we actually want to deal with the aftermath or just make excuses?

---

Remember what started this, you said that Republicans had taken the place of racist Democrats of the past, like that had stopped. It hasn't.

---

You're arguing that it's been replaced by the "bigotry of low expectations." That's a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right.

---

Remember the black liberal leaders are calling blacks that see the light and come over to the right as Uncle Tom's, traitors and other nasty things.

---

Still a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right, if it's even bigotry at all.

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Not even close. These are actual Democrat Senators and Reps vs extreme far right that nobody on the right wants to have anything to do with.

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I'm not sure what your point is. Blacks accusing each other of selling out might be right or wrong, but it's not racism.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

---

They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

---

Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

---

It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

---

Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

---

I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

---

Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

---

Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

---

Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

---

If you're trying to win some argument against "the left," you won't accomplish that here. You'd do better criticizing liberals on a liberal forum. They might actually need to hear it.

Y'all mostly repeat and reinforce each other's opinions. Any dissent, even from other conservatives, is deflected with "what about Biden." Okay, if that makes you feel good, but don't imagine it's anything more than a defensive mechanism.

The question is, do we actually want to deal with the aftermath or just make excuses?

---

Remember what started this, you said that Republicans had taken the place of racist Democrats of the past, like that had stopped. It hasn't.

---

You're arguing that it's been replaced by the "bigotry of low expectations." That's a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right.

---

Remember the black liberal leaders are calling blacks that see the light and come over to the right as Uncle Tom's, traitors and other nasty things.

---

Still a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right, if it's even bigotry at all.

---

Not even close. These are actual Democrat Senators and Reps vs extreme far right that nobody on the right wants to have anything to do with.

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I'm not sure what your point is. Blacks accusing each other of selling out might be right or wrong, but it's not racism.

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By it's very definition, it is:

racism
/rsiz()m/
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

If a white calling a black an "Uncle Tom" is racism, then it is also the same if a black calling another black is

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

---

Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

---

It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

---

Oh come on Sam. Your party has blacks still financially enslaved by government give-a-ways. "Let them have no motivation to be better" is the official Democrat Mantra

---

I doubt that's an official mantra, but I've never voted Democrat and wouldn't really know.

The point is that accusing the left of racism doesn't exonerate the right.

---

Dude! You just accused the right and ignored the left!

---

Half the posts on this board are "what about the left." Your party needs to ignore the left and look at itself for a minute.

---

Why? The guys you appear to worship screwed the pooch. We are dealing with the aftermath...

---

If you're trying to win some argument against "the left," you won't accomplish that here. You'd do better criticizing liberals on a liberal forum. They might actually need to hear it.

Y'all mostly repeat and reinforce each other's opinions. Any dissent, even from other conservatives, is deflected with "what about Biden." Okay, if that makes you feel good, but don't imagine it's anything more than a defensive mechanism.

The question is, do we actually want to deal with the aftermath or just make excuses?

---

Remember what started this, you said that Republicans had taken the place of racist Democrats of the past, like that had stopped. It hasn't.

---

You're arguing that it's been replaced by the "bigotry of low expectations." That's a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right.

---

Remember the black liberal leaders are calling blacks that see the light and come over to the right as Uncle Tom's, traitors and other nasty things.

---

Still a long way from the bigotry of the alt-right, if it's even bigotry at all.

---

Not even close. These are actual Democrat Senators and Reps vs extreme far right that nobody on the right wants to have anything to do with.

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I'm not sure what your point is. Blacks accusing each other of selling out might be right or wrong, but it's not racism.

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By it's very definition, it is:

racism
/rsiz()m/
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

If a white calling a black an "Uncle Tom" is racism, then it is also the same if a black calling another black is

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Read the SCOTUS decision in Bostock v. Clayton County. You'll appreciate the logic.