The Cloward Piven strategy is evil & vile. It is important that we understand it because the American Left has been using it for decades.

Biden Era Was the Ultimate Application and Utterly Predictable Failure of the Cloward-Piven Strategy

https://pjmedia.com/marktapscott/2025/04/26/bidens-expansions-doomed-social-security-medicaid-shows-lefts-cloward-piven-strategy-still-strong-n4939240

NYC may elect a communist as mayor. it's between him and the guy that messed up the covid response.

The Big Apple is loaded with worms.

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

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Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

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It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

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No, they don't. Like all of American history, the Dems are the party of modern racism although it often looks different than it did 100 years ago.

Democrats like to use misleading phrases like "anti racist" as a propaganda technique to fool people into thinking they actually care about minorities. The problem is it's based primarily on them labeling everyone they disagree with as "racist" without any evidence of actual racism and readily ignore genuine racism from their own side.

Historically, it's the Dems who had KKK members (or former) in office: FDR nominated an ex-Klansman to the Supreme Court, Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia was a former Klan leader, and the more notorious white supremacists opposing civil rights were Dems & Klansmen (such as Bull Connor & George Wallace).

Today, Dems have little record in actually helping minorities or protecting their rights. In recent years, Dems have done more to harm blacks, for example, by going soft on criminals (even violent ones) ignoring the fact that their victims tend to be blacks & other minorities. Dems' radicalism in support of murdering babies and mutilating or poisoning children is an insult to the family values of Hispanics. Adding to the stupid insults, Dems prefer a genderless label, Latinx, which Hispanics hate. The other major group that Dems have alienated are Asian-Americans who Dems support discriminating against in college admissions & hiring. Both are illegal, unconstitutional, & blatantly racist. DEI is another example: the promote promoting obviously incompetent blacks to important positions (Kamala & KJP are obvious examples) who then fail miserably. This makes blacks in general look bad in the eyes of people who don't know better. Republicans, on the other hand, choose competent blacks (& other minorities) such as Clarence Thomas & Dr Ben Carson. These are some of the reasons why each group voted for Trump in record numbers. There are many other examples.

Dems brag about their civil rights record in recent years except it's all a bunch of lies, just like most of their rhetoric.

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I'm not arguing that Democrat policies are good for blacks, but very little of what you're ranting about has anything to do with actual racism. Talk about voter suppression by the GOP, and you'd be closer to the ballpark.

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Voter suppression? You mean voter ID?

You are saying either:
1. minorities are too stupid to bring an id to vote
2. Please dont stop our ability to cheat in elections, we're already getting our clocks cleaned.

Identity politics lost dude. Why are u still clinging to it? Move on - Republicans are not racists.

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It's a fact that minorities are less likely to have valid IDs. There could be a number of reasons.

What do you believe is the reason?

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They're haven't bothered to get one?

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

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Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

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It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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BS

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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OP is spot on. The popularly taught notion that if you go as far to the right as possible on the political spectrum you end up with fascism is completely false. What you actually end up with is a staunch libertarian. Fascism is just another brand or form of leftist totalitarianism and there was good reason the formal name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party. And the Nazis didn't hate the Communists (and vice versa) because they were on opposite ends of the political spectrum - they hated them because they were the major rivals for power back in the day. Nazis and true conservatives have or had virtually nothing in common other than perhaps a strong love of country.

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They hated each other because the Nazis were nationalists and the communists were internationalists. They were both "leftist" in the sense that they were anti-liberal and both were inspired by Marx. But the Nazis were also "right-wing" in their extreme emphasis on race and nationality, among other things.

Terms like "right" and "left" have different meanings in different contexts. That should not obscure the many commonalities between fascists and the present-day American right.

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Racism is not "right wing". That's a common myth by Dems to cover up the fact that they are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, & the KKK. They still are: to the extent the US still has institutional racism, it's most often found among Dems & Leftists in general.

Conservatism, properly defined, embraced America's founding principles including equality. It's no accident that Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator who freed the slaves, was a Republican. The GOP was established in 1856 partly on the belief that slavery was evil and the determination to stop its growth and eventual disappearance in the US.

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It's not 1856 any more. Racists tend Republican and anti-racists tend Democrat now. There are plenty of exceptions, but in general this is obvious.

Jim Crow laws were a characteristic of the early 20th century. As Republicans are fond of pointing out, Democrats of that era were conservative by today's standards.

Now the new Jim Crow laws are enthusiastically supported by the right. But you probably don't want to talk about that.

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Just another of Hamas Harry's anti-reality fever dreams.

The Dems are the most racist and least democratic political entity in the US, unless you count their violent proxies separately (BLM, antifa, etc). In the final analysis, they are fascists and those proxies are the modern versions of the black shirts or brown shirts. The of many of the same things for much the same reasons.

The scariest part about America's violent fascists (not necessarily part of either of those groups), besides how much terrorism they have gotten away with, is that they have increasingly targeted Jews recently.

Dinesh D'Souza on How the Left Rebranded Fascism as "Right Wing" | Real Talk | PragerU:



In this 15 minute video Dinesh D'Souza explains fascism and how it is misunderstood better than I can.

Perhaps we have allowed both parties to play a part, especially the wealthy. Below is an opportunity for you and others to contribute your thoughts, whether you believe it was motivated by conservatives or liberals.

Restrictive voter ID laws:
Many states have passed laws requiring a government-issued photo ID to vote. Critics argue that these laws disproportionately affect low-income, elderly, and minority voters, who are less likely to have the required identification.

Voter registration restrictions:
Some states make it more difficult to register by imposing strict deadlines, proof-of-citizenship requirements, or restrictions on voter registration drives. The ACLU successfully challenged a 2011 Kansas law that blocked the registration of over 30,000 Kansans by requiring proof-of-citizenship documents.

Voter roll purges:
States sometimes "clean" their voter registration rolls by removing voters who haven't participated in elections for a set period. This has been criticized for being overly aggressive and for removing eligible voters. In 2008, Georgia removed over 98,000 voters based on flawed record-matching processes.
Reduced polling places and early voting: Limiting the number of polling places, especially in underserved communities, can lead to long lines and voter discouragement. Similarly, reducing early voting periods makes it harder for people with inflexible work schedules to cast their ballots.

Gerrymandering:
This process involves drawing electoral district boundaries to favor one political party or group over another. It can diminish the voting power of certain communities by concentrating or spreading out their votes.

Deceptive practices and misinformation:
In some elections, robocalls, flyers, and social media posts have falsely told voters that polling places or election dates have changed. Other tactics include false threats of law enforcement presence at polling places to intimidate voters.

Targeting of election officials:
Some laws have created new obstacles for election workers and imposed criminal penalties on officials who try to expand voter access. This can lead to a climate of fear and discourage efforts to facilitate voting.

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Perhaps we have allowed both parties to play a part, especially the wealthy. Below is an opportunity for you and others to contribute your thoughts, whether you believe it was motivated by conservatives or liberals.

Restrictive voter ID laws:
Many states have passed laws requiring a government-issued photo ID to vote. Critics argue that these laws disproportionately affect low-income, elderly, and minority voters, who are less likely to have the required identification.

Voter registration restrictions:
Some states make it more difficult to register by imposing strict deadlines, proof-of-citizenship requirements, or restrictions on voter registration drives. The ACLU successfully challenged a 2011 Kansas law that blocked the registration of over 30,000 Kansans by requiring proof-of-citizenship documents.

Voter roll purges:
States sometimes "clean" their voter registration rolls by removing voters who haven't participated in elections for a set period. This has been criticized for being overly aggressive and for removing eligible voters. In 2008, Georgia removed over 98,000 voters based on flawed record-matching processes.
Reduced polling places and early voting: Limiting the number of polling places, especially in underserved communities, can lead to long lines and voter discouragement. Similarly, reducing early voting periods makes it harder for people with inflexible work schedules to cast their ballots.

Gerrymandering:
This process involves drawing electoral district boundaries to favor one political party or group over another. It can diminish the voting power of certain communities by concentrating or spreading out their votes.

Deceptive practices and misinformation:
In some elections, robocalls, flyers, and social media posts have falsely told voters that polling places or election dates have changed. Other tactics include false threats of law enforcement presence at polling places to intimidate voters.

Targeting of election officials:
Some laws have created new obstacles for election workers and imposed criminal penalties on officials who try to expand voter access. This can lead to a climate of fear and discourage efforts to facilitate voting.

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Democracy depends on a secure and fair system that does not disenfranchise voters. Opposing efforts to increase voter integrity is anti-democratic. The fairest system is the best for all.

Regarding gerrymandering, 100% agree with doing away with it, but it is too critical to Democrats to ever disappear even though it should.

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