honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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Definition of Conservative- Somebody that supports:
-Freedom of opportunity, not outcome
- The correct size of Government is based on need of the Nation, not some predetermined size of what it should be.
- Lowest tax rates to meet the needs of the Nation.
- Governments role is to create an environment for its citizens to be safe, successful, and free to choose. It is up to the citizens to do it.

(Needs of the Nation change based on the world around us.)

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that make total sense.

J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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Sorry about your balls. is your new beeper Chinese or Iranian (you think lol)!

Harrison Bergeron said:

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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Sorry about your balls. is your new beeper Chinese or Iranian (you think lol)!

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Please answer the question, young Hank. No need to hurl insults. Asked nicely for each persons definition. Any particular reason you didn't answer the question, but chose to throw shade? Not looking for a fight. Just asked a legit question.

J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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It is a confusing time.

A lot of people assume that if you are anti-woke, then you are a conservative. This is a big contributor to the confusion.

To be anti-woke, is to simply have common sense. A man cannot become a woman.... duh!

So there are tons of people who are traditionally considered liberal, but are also anti-woke (aka -they aren't totally insane).

FLBear was pretty accurate with his answer. Needs of the nation change, and so do the priorities of a conservative. In the 1980s, the need for a strong military was extremely high, and so conservatives were cool with expanding government spending and deficits in order to win the Cold War. Now, not so much. Conservatives believe in a strong military, but we don't believe that we need never-ending military expansion.
The Neo-Cons came in to power, and pushed never-ending military expansion in order to make money for themselves and other gov contractors.
This is an example of extreme external conditions, creating opportunities for conservatives to compromise their values for the immediate situation. Sadly, this also opens the door for conservative pretenders to take advantage and create long-term programs that conservatives would normally oppose.
Another great example is 9/11 and the Patriot Act. Many conservatives supported the Patriot Act, the creation of the DHS, and the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq... all because of the extreme situation created by 9/11. Now, most conservatives realize that the nation created even bigger problems with these "short-term" solutions. The Patriot Act was supposed to expire within a few years... yet it lingers. The war in Afghanistan was supposed to be about destroying the Taliban and killing Osama Bin Laden. It was turned into "nation building" by the Neo-Cons... a huge waste of blood and a massive money laundering scheme for gov contractors. The Iraq War was less justifiable, but it was supposed to be about getting rid of Sadam. It went the same way as Afghanistan.
COVID was another extreme situation, but many conservatives realized it was being used by fakers... sadly, it was too late. Most conservatives were opposed to the continuation of the lockdowns, beyond the original "15 days to slow the spread". Most were also opposed to the idea of changing regulations & rules in order to speed up the process of creating a "vaccine". Even more were opposed to the idea of changing the definition of a "vaccine" to include this Frankenstein MRNA drug. No actual conservatives were ever in favor of mandated vax jabs.

It is confusing, but the basic ideas of conservatism start with what FLBear posted. There are a lot of pretenders who claim the title of "conservative". There are others who get labeled as such, just because they have common sense and oppose the woke mind virus.

FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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Definition of Conservative- Somebody that supports:
-Freedom of opportunity, not outcome
- The correct size of Government is based on need of the Nation, not some predetermined size of what it should be.
- Lowest tax rates to meet the needs of the Nation.
- Governments role is to create an environment for its citizens to be safe, successful, and free to choose. It is up to the citizens to do it.

(Needs of the Nation change based on the world around us.)

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Post of the month


Well done.

FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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Definition of Conservative- Somebody that supports:
-Freedom of opportunity, not outcome
- The correct size of Government is based on need of the Nation, not some predetermined size of what it should be.
- Lowest tax rates to meet the needs of the Nation.
- Governments role is to create an environment for its citizens to be safe, successful, and free to choose. It is up to the citizens to do it.

(Needs of the Nation change based on the world around us.)

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that make total sense.

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I have a feeling we are in the minority on this Board!

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Not sure why. I suspect few would take issue with those criteria, among others.

Classical liberalism:

1. Limited government
2. Free markets with minimal government involvement
3. Individual liberty with moral responsibility
4. Everyone treated as equals before the law (we are equal in God's eyes)
5. Rule of law
6. Related to 1 & 5: government held accountable
etc

In other words, what the Founding Fathers believed and enshrined in the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution.

Today, these ideas are labeled conservatism but they are actually liberalism. Those who are usually called "liberals" are the complete opposite. They are Marxists of one variety or the other: communists, socialists, fascists, Maoist's, etc. It's all the same lies based on a flawed & evil ideology. In the end, all they really care about is power to control others regardless of their rhetoric. Some are anarchists but are manipulated & funded by the others as tools.

Most modern Leftists are actually fascists who want to control what everyone else goes with tiles over everything, but always exempting themselves. They are thugs & bullies and in a sane world would never be allowed to have any kind of power.

J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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"there exists no Model Conservative, and conservatism is the negation of ideology: it is a state of mind, a type of character, a way of looking at the civil social order." -Russell Kirk


[Conservatism is a counterrevolutionary force: the antithesis of Jacobinism, of Bolshevism, of all the other "isms", not simply as historical movements but as revolutionary tendencies to which the Left- and sometimes the Corporate Business Right- is susceptible. But Conservatism is not simply the negation of incendiary ideology; it is also affirmation of a principle, the anti-utopian view that, despite any flaws, our God, our civilization, our nation, our race is worthy of our loyalty, even unto death.]

FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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Definition of Conservative- Somebody that supports:
-Freedom of opportunity, not outcome
- The correct size of Government is based on need of the Nation, not some predetermined size of what it should be.
- Lowest tax rates to meet the needs of the Nation.
- Governments role is to create an environment for its citizens to be safe, successful, and free to choose. It is up to the citizens to do it.

(Needs of the Nation change based on the world around us.)

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So you'd raise tax rates to meet the demand of the national debt?

And what does freedom of outcome mean?

A much better solution is to dramatically reduce the size of government so that it focuses on its core functions & constitutional responsibilities. This would reduce spending significantly. It would take a long term commitment but reducing spending would produce budget surpluses and those can be used to pay down the debt. The more efficient the government becomes, the greater the surpluses and the quicker the reduction of the debt.

All of this would help the economy grow so that everyone benefits and not only because of more freedom from govt tyranny. Government regulations & bureaucracy are a huge burden on the economy and many are completely unnecessary (an obvious example is EV mandates). Taxes could even be lowered and this would further stimulate economic growth. Think of the Laffer Curve. As the debt is reduced, capital markets will open up further spurring investment & economic growth. It should not take long to get to the point where we have $1 trillion surplus every year, all of which go towards reducing the debt.

The first step is acknowledging the problem and imposing real & lasting cuts on federal spending.

Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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Definition of Conservative- Somebody that supports:
-Freedom of opportunity, not outcome
- The correct size of Government is based on need of the Nation, not some predetermined size of what it should be.
- Lowest tax rates to meet the needs of the Nation.
- Governments role is to create an environment for its citizens to be safe, successful, and free to choose. It is up to the citizens to do it.

(Needs of the Nation change based on the world around us.)

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So you'd raise tax rates to meet the demand of the national debt?

And what does freedom of outcome mean?

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Interesting proposition. A 1 penny National Sales Tax to retire the debt? I could support that.


To me it means several things. There are no quotas. No Govt guarantee of outcome. No to big to fail. Best person for the job.
Might be wrong term.

historian said:

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Classical liberalism:

1. Limited government
2. Free markets with minimal government involvement
3. Individual liberty with moral responsibility
4. Everyone treated as equals before the law (we are equal in God's eyes)
5. Rule of law
6. Related to 1 & 5: government held accountable
etc

In other words, what the Founding Fathers believed and enshrined in the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution.

Today, these ideas are labeled conservatism but they are actually liberalism. Those who are usually called "liberals" are the complete opposite. They are Marxists of one variety or the other: communists, socialists, fascists, Maoist's, etc. It's all the same lies based on a flawed & evil ideology. In the end, all they really care about is power to control others regardless of their rhetoric. Some are anarchists but are manipulated & funded by the others as tools.

Most modern Leftists are actually fascists who want to control what everyone else goes with tiles over everything, but always exempting themselves. They are thugs & bullies and in a sane world would never be allowed to have any kind of power.

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Liberal: an archaic word and stance, replaced with progressive (aka leftists, socialist, totalitarian)

Conservative: the old liberal but wants to limit government programs that benefit the progressive while maintaining or expanding programs that benefit themselves. Claims to want to deport ALL illegals while actually just wanting a secure border, cheap yard/tree service and cheap masonry/concrete work.

FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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Definition of Conservative- Somebody that supports:
-Freedom of opportunity, not outcome
- The correct size of Government is based on need of the Nation, not some predetermined size of what it should be.
- Lowest tax rates to meet the needs of the Nation.
- Governments role is to create an environment for its citizens to be safe, successful, and free to choose. It is up to the citizens to do it.

(Needs of the Nation change based on the world around us.)

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So you'd raise tax rates to meet the demand of the national debt?

And what does freedom of outcome mean?

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Interesting proposition. A 1 penny National Sales Tax to retire the debt? I could support that.


To me it means several things. There are no quotas. No Govt guarantee of outcome. No to big to fail. Best person for the job.
Might be wrong term.

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I thought you said freedom of opportunity, not freedom of outcome. I would expect most conservatives to want both. Maybe you meant that the government should not try to guarantee or enforce any particular outcome.

I actually think it is very simple: a conservative puts an emphasis on conserving, and this usually manifests itself in a greater affection for the status quo. That is why most conservatives favor a smaller, limited government and generally resist the constant Culture Wars launched by the left. It also is why there is a primacy put on the Constitution vs. legal "innovation."

"Conservative" is a broader term than a particular political party and thus would take on a differently flavor depending on what is seeing to be conserved ... a conservative in 18th Century England would be more of a monarchist than a Classical Liberal.

respect everyones opinion. As, mentioned before, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially progressive. So, I guess that is what I'm an independent and not a "Lib" or "Libtard" as many refer to me. Just trying to figure out where ole JR is relative to the board.

Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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Definition of Conservative- Somebody that supports:
-Freedom of opportunity, not outcome
- The correct size of Government is based on need of the Nation, not some predetermined size of what it should be.
- Lowest tax rates to meet the needs of the Nation.
- Governments role is to create an environment for its citizens to be safe, successful, and free to choose. It is up to the citizens to do it.

(Needs of the Nation change based on the world around us.)

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So you'd raise tax rates to meet the demand of the national debt?

And what does freedom of outcome mean?

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Interesting proposition. A 1 penny National Sales Tax to retire the debt? I could support that.


To me it means several things. There are no quotas. No Govt guarantee of outcome. No to big to fail. Best person for the job.
Might be wrong term.

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I thought you said freedom of opportunity, not freedom of outcome. I would expect most conservatives to want both. Maybe you meant that the government should not try to guarantee or enforce any particular outcome.

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I agree. Sorry, if confusing.

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respect everyones opinion. As, mentioned before, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially progressive. So, I guess that is what I'm an independent and not a "Lib" or "Libtard" as many refer to me. Just trying to figure out where ole JR is relative to the board.

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Libertarian party?

Married A Horn said:

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J.R. said:

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respect everyones opinion. As, mentioned before, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially progressive. So, I guess that is what I'm an independent and not a "Lib" or "Libtard" as many refer to me. Just trying to figure out where ole JR is relative to the board.

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Libertarian party?

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I'm guessing he holds his nose and rubs his wallet when he votes. Ethics, I don't think is ever considered, just stock futures.

I hope I'm wrong.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Married A Horn said:

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J.R. said:

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respect everyones opinion. As, mentioned before, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially progressive. So, I guess that is what I'm an independent and not a "Lib" or "Libtard" as many refer to me. Just trying to figure out where ole JR is relative to the board.

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Libertarian party?

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I'm guessing he holds his nose and rubs his wallet when he votes. Ethics, I don't think is ever considered, just stock futures.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Based on the his posts anyway, you're not wrong in assuming.

Truthfully, social progressives cannot be fiscally conservative. It just doesn't work that way. They may wish they were fiscally conservative, but they will always vote a different path, because progressives at their core are big government socialists and communists.

historian said:

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Classical liberalism:

1. Limited government
2. Free markets with minimal government involvement
3. Individual liberty with moral responsibility
4. Everyone treated as equals before the law (we are equal in God's eyes)
5. Rule of law
6. Related to 1 & 5: government held accountable
etc

In other words, what the Founding Fathers believed and enshrined in the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution.

Today, these ideas are labeled conservatism but they are actually liberalism. Those who are usually called "liberals" are the complete opposite. They are Marxists of one variety or the other: communists, socialists, fascists, Maoist's, etc. It's all the same lies based on a flawed & evil ideology. In the end, all they really care about is power to control others regardless of their rhetoric. Some are anarchists but are manipulated & funded by the others as tools.

Most modern Leftists are actually fascists who want to control what everyone else goes with tiles over everything, but always exempting themselves. They are thugs & bullies and in a sane world would never be allowed to have any kind of power.

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The part about Classical Liberalism is what has come to be known as Conservatism. It is conservatism of today.

There are few real Classic liberals in either party, but it is the way to operate.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Married A Horn said:

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J.R. said:

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respect everyones opinion. As, mentioned before, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially progressive. So, I guess that is what I'm an independent and not a "Lib" or "Libtard" as many refer to me. Just trying to figure out where ole JR is relative to the board.

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Libertarian party?

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I'm guessing he holds his nose and rubs his wallet when he votes. Ethics, I don't think is ever considered, just stock futures.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Based on the his posts anyway, you're not wrong in assuming.

Truthfully, social progressives cannot be fiscally conservative. It just doesn't work that way. They may wish they were fiscally conservative, but they will always vote a different path, because progressives at their core are big government socialists and communists.

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you just cannot be taken seriously if you say that someone cannot be fiscally conservative and progressive social. That just doesn't make sense whatsoever. I'm living proof and I have many friends that are very similar. "d pose a couple of questions to you.....have you ever run a business ? Have you ever started a business? have you ever had to make payroll? Most people I know who have (me included) are generally fiscally conservative.. Some are even socially progressive (oh, the shame).

J.R. said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Married A Horn said:

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J.R. said:

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respect everyones opinion. As, mentioned before, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially progressive. So, I guess that is what I'm an independent and not a "Lib" or "Libtard" as many refer to me. Just trying to figure out where ole JR is relative to the board.

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Libertarian party?

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I'm guessing he holds his nose and rubs his wallet when he votes. Ethics, I don't think is ever considered, just stock futures.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Based on the his posts anyway, you're not wrong in assuming.

Truthfully, social progressives cannot be fiscally conservative. It just doesn't work that way. They may wish they were fiscally conservative, but they will always vote a different path, because progressives at their core are big government socialists and communists.

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you just cannot be taken seriously if you say that someone cannot be fiscally conservative and progressive social. That just doesn't make sense whatsoever. I'm living proof and I have many friends that are very similar. "d pose a couple of questions to you.....have you ever run a business ? Have you ever started a business? have you ever had to make payroll? Most people I know who have (me included) are generally fiscally conservative.. Some are even socially progressive (oh, the shame).

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You may be conservative with your own money, maybe even your peers, but you cannot be progressive socially AND conservative with other people's money.

And yes, I've started and run my own business. Yes I have an economics degree, and yes based on your many nonsensical posts I am also more serious than you.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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J.R. said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Married A Horn said:

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J.R. said:

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respect everyones opinion. As, mentioned before, I'm fiscally conservative, but socially progressive. So, I guess that is what I'm an independent and not a "Lib" or "Libtard" as many refer to me. Just trying to figure out where ole JR is relative to the board.

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Libertarian party?

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I'm guessing he holds his nose and rubs his wallet when he votes. Ethics, I don't think is ever considered, just stock futures.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Based on the his posts anyway, you're not wrong in assuming.

Truthfully, social progressives cannot be fiscally conservative. It just doesn't work that way. They may wish they were fiscally conservative, but they will always vote a different path, because progressives at their core are big government socialists and communists.

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you just cannot be taken seriously if you say that someone cannot be fiscally conservative and progressive social. That just doesn't make sense whatsoever. I'm living proof and I have many friends that are very similar. "d pose a couple of questions to you.....have you ever run a business ? Have you ever started a business? have you ever had to make payroll? Most people I know who have (me included) are generally fiscally conservative.. Some are even socially progressive (oh, the shame).

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You may be conservative with your own money, maybe even your peers, but you cannot be progressive socially AND conservative with other people's money.

And yes, I've started and run my own business. Yes I have an economics degree, and yes based on your many nonsensical posts I am also more serious than you.

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good for you. You don't know me, so you have about zero knowledge about my level of seriousness. Still don't understand your point about fiscal conservative and socially progressive are mutually exclusive. I'm for small govt, less intrusion, and a balanced budget. Non of the we can seem to get done under any party. Can't really understand why you say fiscal conservative and socially progressive are mutually exclusive.

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historian said:

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Classical liberalism:

1. Limited government
2. Free markets with minimal government involvement
3. Individual liberty with moral responsibility
4. Everyone treated as equals before the law (we are equal in God's eyes)
5. Rule of law
6. Related to 1 & 5: government held accountable
etc

In other words, what the Founding Fathers believed and enshrined in the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution.

Today, these ideas are labeled conservatism but they are actually liberalism. Those who are usually called "liberals" are the complete opposite. They are Marxists of one variety or the other: communists, socialists, fascists, Maoist's, etc. It's all the same lies based on a flawed & evil ideology. In the end, all they really care about is power to control others regardless of their rhetoric. Some are anarchists but are manipulated & funded by the others as tools.

Most modern Leftists are actually fascists who want to control what everyone else goes with tiles over everything, but always exempting themselves. They are thugs & bullies and in a sane world would never be allowed to have any kind of power.

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Liberal: an archaic word and stance, replaced with progressive (aka leftists, socialist, totalitarian)

Conservative: the old liberal but wants to limit government programs that benefit the progressive while maintaining or expanding programs that benefit themselves. Claims to want to deport ALL illegals while actually just wanting a secure border, cheap yard/tree service and cheap masonry/concrete work.

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There is nothing archaic or outdated about freedom or any other part of classic liberalism.

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I actually think it is very simple: a conservative puts an emphasis on conserving, and this usually manifests itself in a greater affection for the status quo. That is why most conservatives favor a smaller, limited government and generally resist the constant Culture Wars launched by the left. It also is why there is a primacy put on the Constitution vs. legal "innovation."

"Conservative" is a broader term than a particular political party and thus would take on a differently flavor depending on what is seeing to be conserved ... a conservative in 18th Century England would be more of a monarchist than a Classical Liberal.

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Today the status quoted is unacceptable: government is too big, too powerful, too corrupt, too tyrannical, & too expensive.

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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No actual conservatives were ever in favor of mandated vax jabs.

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Sure we were. And no one ever changed the definition of a vaccine.

historian said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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I actually think it is very simple: a conservative puts an emphasis on conserving, and this usually manifests itself in a greater affection for the status quo. That is why most conservatives favor a smaller, limited government and generally resist the constant Culture Wars launched by the left. It also is why there is a primacy put on the Constitution vs. legal "innovation."

"Conservative" is a broader term than a particular political party and thus would take on a differently flavor depending on what is seeing to be conserved ... a conservative in 18th Century England would be more of a monarchist than a Classical Liberal.

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Today the status quoted is unacceptable: government is too big, too powerful, too corrupt, too tyrannical, & too expensive.

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Agreed. Status quo likely was an imprecise word, very fair. My thoughts were more of a traditional American vision for government - a set of laws largely consumed by the Constitution and a smaller government focused on core government facilities as opposed to the morass of special interests that we have today. The government is little more than a bank for particular special interest groups which in turn do the bidding of the government. We probably could do without 75% of it and be just fine - most of what the federal government does is repeated on the state and local levels. We do not need departments of labor, education, transportation, commerce, interior, etc. We need basically defense and state and a much smaller justice.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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historian said:

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Classical liberalism:

1. Limited government
2. Free markets with minimal government involvement
3. Individual liberty with moral responsibility
4. Everyone treated as equals before the law (we are equal in God's eyes)
5. Rule of law
6. Related to 1 & 5: government held accountable
etc

In other words, what the Founding Fathers believed and enshrined in the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution.

Today, these ideas are labeled conservatism but they are actually liberalism. Those who are usually called "liberals" are the complete opposite. They are Marxists of one variety or the other: communists, socialists, fascists, Maoist's, etc. It's all the same lies based on a flawed & evil ideology. In the end, all they really care about is power to control others regardless of their rhetoric. Some are anarchists but are manipulated & funded by the others as tools.

Most modern Leftists are actually fascists who want to control what everyone else goes with tiles over everything, but always exempting themselves. They are thugs & bullies and in a sane world would never be allowed to have any kind of power.

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Liberal: an archaic word and stance, replaced with progressive (aka leftists, socialist, totalitarian)

Conservative: the old liberal but wants to limit government programs that benefit the progressive while maintaining or expanding programs that benefit themselves. Claims to want to deport ALL illegals while actually just wanting a secure border, cheap yard/tree service and cheap masonry/concrete work.

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There is nothing archaic or outdated about freedom or any other part of classic liberalism.

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It's kind of like saying q u e e r means odd. I know what it means. You know what it means. The problem is, nobody uses it that way anymore.

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ShooterTX said:

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J.R. said:

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honest question. I hear the term "Conservative " thrown around this board incessantly , so I thought it would be interesting to hear from "conservatives" on this board how you would personally define it. The term has become somewhat illusive to me in the past 15yrs or so.

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No actual conservatives were ever in favor of mandated vax jabs.

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Sure we were. And no one ever changed the definition of a vaccine.

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hahaha. Sam said "we". What a hoot. You never know what's coming out of this guys mouth/keyboard