Any chance the muslims tolerate the christians there?

Married A Horn said:

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Any chance the muslims tolerate the Christians there?

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Unlikely

Redbrickbear said:

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Good stuff. I hope Syria says, 'hey, let's change the narrative and move into the 21st century in peace.'

4000 years of history and the Bible says they wont: Isaac vs Ishmael.

With no Russian military vessels at Tartus, commercial activity at the key Syrian port also ceased. Cargo ships notorious for shipping grain from Crimea to Syria halted their voyages after Assad fled. w/ @riley_mellen https://t.co/n9y2qYk5ek https://t.co/nZvH4q9vn7 pic.twitter.com/o2GJNAWdsY

— Christiaan Triebert (@trbrtc) December 11, 2024

Not even slightly surprising. https://t.co/6n2ovU50CZ

— David Reaboi, Late Republic Nonsense (@davereaboi) December 11, 2024

ahh yes, another pallet of $100s courtesy the good ol' US of A..........

- el KKM

DEVELOPING!

I give HTS 2 months - tops - then the next front of the ever expanding ME war begins.....

"coinciding" w/ a certain outsiders inauguration.

william said:

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ahh yes, another pallet of $100s courtesy the good ol' US of A..........

- el KKM

DEVELOPING!

I give HTS 2 months - tops - then the next front of the ever expanding ME war begins.....

"coinciding" w/ a certain outsiders inauguration.

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blinken still has a few weeks left to really muddy things up.

Off the subject…..

But just learned tonight that during the early stages of WW2 Great Britain joined forces with the Soviet Union to invade Iran.

Totally unprovoked and without even a declaration of war .
Deposed the Shah and banished him to an extremely small island where he eventually died.

Why ?


To establish a supply line through Iran for British and US aid to the Soviet Union.


Just another example of Iranian grievances against the West.

History is always in the eyes of the story teller.

KaiBear said:

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Off the subject…..

But just learned tonight that during the early stages of WW2 Great Britain joined forces with the Soviet Union to invade Iran.

Totally unprovoked and without even a declaration of war .
Deposed the Shah and banished him to an extremely small island where he eventually died.

Why ?


To establish a supply line through Iran for British and US aid to the Soviet Union.


Just another example of Iranian grievances against the West.

History is always in the eyes of the story teller.

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That's the Pahlavi family, and the Shah's son is the one the West backed and was deposed by the 1979 Revolution. That's not a grievance held by today's Iranian people or Islamic regime.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Off the subject…..

But just learned tonight that during the early stages of WW2 Great Britain joined forces with the Soviet Union to invade Iran.

Totally unprovoked and without even a declaration of war .
Deposed the Shah and banished him to an extremely small island where he eventually died.

Why ?


To establish a supply line through Iran for British and US aid to the Soviet Union.


Just another example of Iranian grievances against the West.

History is always in the eyes of the story teller.

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That's the Pahlavi family, and the Shah's son is the one the West backed and was deposed by the 1979 Revolution. That's not a grievance held by today's Iranian people or Islamic regime.

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Maybe so, maybe not.

However it is another example of the similarities between imperialism and communism.

The weak are bullied by the stronger and justify it afterwards.
As the history books have always been overwhelmingly written by the winners.

william said:

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Europe meets Russia meets the middle east meets Israel... that place is the center of the world. No wonder its a constant hotbed.

william said:

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Amazing situation.

Thanks for the map.

might be time for 'arbys center for mideast peace (acmp)'.....



wow!

- kkm

'imagine there's an arby's,
in the middle east,
where they eat roast sammiches,
and talk about world peace...'

fun facts about the assad regime

1. one of its primary sources of revenue was mass producing and selling captagon, an illegal stimulant

2. captagon is reportedly actually a safer drug than amphetamines but is nevertheless globally banned for unclear reasons. thanks america https://t.co/4LM3Yj9Zne pic.twitter.com/HF8pBnbQHS

— eigenrobot (@eigenrobot) December 14, 2024

I love how Turkey as a country fully embraces the character of its nation. Scheming, dishonest, and wildly overconfident in its business/political acumen.

— HankHeIl (@HankHeil) December 14, 2024

Recent achievements in diplomacy and geopolitics:

-Backed Azerbaijan to victory over Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh.
-Took decisive actions against Kurdish groups in northern Syria.
-Held wealthier and more powerful European countries hostage with migration leverage.
-Now…

— Comes Orientis ☧ 🇱🇧🇨🇦☦️ (@ByzRomanLevant) December 15, 2024

pic.twitter.com/vaPWKD3X8o
The UN is in panic mode after Israel released videos from Gaza’s security cameras showing Hamas employees of UNRWA torturing Gazan civilians to death. Among the prisoners who were killed there are many innocent gay people, journalists, protesters,…

— Liza Rosen (@LizaRosen0000) December 14, 2024

Wrong thread

Sorry

It's pretty funny that the "joy" part is what's being emphasized here pic.twitter.com/iaWeVVbc2x

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) December 15, 2024

Too bad it didn't start with: "Putin all joking Assad…"

KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Off the subject…..

But just learned tonight that during the early stages of WW2 Great Britain joined forces with the Soviet Union to invade Iran.

Totally unprovoked and without even a declaration of war .
Deposed the Shah and banished him to an extremely small island where he eventually died.

Why ?


To establish a supply line through Iran for British and US aid to the Soviet Union.


Just another example of Iranian grievances against the West.

History is always in the eyes of the story teller.

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That's the Pahlavi family, and the Shah's son is the one the West backed and was deposed by the 1979 Revolution. That's not a grievance held by today's Iranian people or Islamic regime.

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Maybe so, maybe not.

However it is another example of the similarities between imperialism and communism.

The weak are bullied by the stronger and justify it afterwards.
As the history books have always been overwhelmingly written by the winners.

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Hitler was tight with the Senior Pahlavi. Strange bedfellows for sure. Called them the "ancient Aryans". It was low impact on Iran in the scheme of things. But it started getting interesting when unlike the Western powers, the Soviets refused to depart after the end of the war.

People like to point to the Mossadegh coup as the "blowback" to the U.S., and misguided Soviet fear. They forget that the Soviets literally tried to establish a couple of communist states in Iran via war just a few years before that.

Redbrickbear said:

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Recent achievements in diplomacy and geopolitics:

-Backed Azerbaijan to victory over Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh.
-Took decisive actions against Kurdish groups in northern Syria.
-Held wealthier and more powerful European countries hostage with migration leverage.
-Now…

— Comes Orientis ☧ 🇱🇧🇨🇦☦️ (@ByzRomanLevant) December 15, 2024

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Turkey is now at a dangerous confluence of competing interests. If not careful, they could oddly enough end up with Russia, the U.S., Israel, Iran, and Saudi Arabia all upset with them at the same time.

KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Off the subject…..

But just learned tonight that during the early stages of WW2 Great Britain joined forces with the Soviet Union to invade Iran.

Totally unprovoked and without even a declaration of war .
Deposed the Shah and banished him to an extremely small island where he eventually died.

Why ?


To establish a supply line through Iran for British and US aid to the Soviet Union.


Just another example of Iranian grievances against the West.

History is always in the eyes of the story teller.

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That's the Pahlavi family, and the Shah's son is the one the West backed and was deposed by the 1979 Revolution. That's not a grievance held by today's Iranian people or Islamic regime.

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Maybe so, maybe not.

However it is another example of the similarities between imperialism and communism.

The weak are bullied by the stronger and justify it afterwards.
As the history books have always been overwhelmingly written by the winners.

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Do you know any Iranians that had to leave after 1978? I worked for an Iranian company for 4 years in the 90's and a Sargent I worked for at Ft Hood literally had to leave everything. Many of the Engineers were "gotten" out, some have families still in Iran. Interesting conversations. Your view of what the Iranian as a people think of the US is not consistent with what the people that had to leave and still go back to visit family say. The US is not viewed as a villain on the streets. I have had more than one stand in my doorway and say please don't attribute what you see on TV to the Iranian people. They are trapped by religious zealots.

The religious zealots only like other religious zealots that believe what they believe. We see that in the US, in this Board (SBC) l. I think if you dig deeper, you will typically find good reasons for actions taken. May not support your anti-globalism narrative, probably won't, but typically it is more than we just invaded to waste taxpayer money for greed...

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Off the subject…..

But just learned tonight that during the early stages of WW2 Great Britain joined forces with the Soviet Union to invade Iran.

Totally unprovoked and without even a declaration of war .
Deposed the Shah and banished him to an extremely small island where he eventually died.

Why ?


To establish a supply line through Iran for British and US aid to the Soviet Union.


Just another example of Iranian grievances against the West.

History is always in the eyes of the story teller.

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That's the Pahlavi family, and the Shah's son is the one the West backed and was deposed by the 1979 Revolution. That's not a grievance held by today's Iranian people or Islamic regime.

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Maybe so, maybe not.

However it is another example of the similarities between imperialism and communism.

The weak are bullied by the stronger and justify it afterwards.
As the history books have always been overwhelmingly written by the winners.

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Hitler was tight with the Senior Pahlavi. Strange bedfellows for sure. Called them the "ancient Aryans". It was low impact on Iran in the scheme of things. But it started getting interesting when unlike the Western powers, the Soviets refused to depart after the end of the war.

People like to point to the Mossadegh coup as the "blowback" to the U.S., and misguided Soviet fear. They forget that the Soviets literally tried to establish a couple of communist states in Iran via war just a few years before that.

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True, Great Britain withdrew from Iran after the war against Hitler was won; while the Soviets delayed their withdrawal for several months .

However neither withdrawal justifies their original invasion, occupation and domination of Iran.

An occupation that continued for several years.

Again; just imagine how Americans would feel if Canada invaded the United States to facilitate their war with Mexico.

Occupying whatever parts of the US they felt necessary and disbanding our government and armed forces in the process.

Really think Americans would forgive or forget such a high handed aggression just because the Canadians withdrew after four years ?

KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Off the subject…..

But just learned tonight that during the early stages of WW2 Great Britain joined forces with the Soviet Union to invade Iran.

Totally unprovoked and without even a declaration of war .
Deposed the Shah and banished him to an extremely small island where he eventually died.

Why ?


To establish a supply line through Iran for British and US aid to the Soviet Union.


Just another example of Iranian grievances against the West.

History is always in the eyes of the story teller.

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That's the Pahlavi family, and the Shah's son is the one the West backed and was deposed by the 1979 Revolution. That's not a grievance held by today's Iranian people or Islamic regime.

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Maybe so, maybe not.

However it is another example of the similarities between imperialism and communism.

The weak are bullied by the stronger and justify it afterwards.
As the history books have always been overwhelmingly written by the winners.

---

Hitler was tight with the Senior Pahlavi. Strange bedfellows for sure. Called them the "ancient Aryans". It was low impact on Iran in the scheme of things. But it started getting interesting when unlike the Western powers, the Soviets refused to depart after the end of the war.

People like to point to the Mossadegh coup as the "blowback" to the U.S., and misguided Soviet fear. They forget that the Soviets literally tried to establish a couple of communist states in Iran via war just a few years before that.

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True, Great Britain withdrew from Iran after the war against Hitler was won; while the Soviets delayed their withdrawal for several months .

However neither withdrawal justifies their original invasion, occupation and domination of Iran.

An occupation that continued for several years.

Again; just imagine how Americans would feel if Canada invaded the United States to facilitate their war with Mexico.

Occupying whatever parts of the US they felt necessary and disbanding our government and armed forces in the process.

Really think Americans would forgive or forget such a high handed aggression just because the Canadians withdrew after four years ?

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Once again, like so many times in modern history, the invasion was initiated by the USSR. Britain was good with the Iranian response and actions. It was Russia that invaded, which forced the Brits to take part as allies. There are some really interesting papers on this through JSTOR. Funny, the US had nothing to do with this as not in the war at the time. I can find no record of US troops taking part of the invasion, only equipment from the lend-lease after it was already done. Am I missing something on that? Was the US supposed to oppose it? Or send troops to protect Iran?

Once again, thanks. Interesting part of history. Good read.

Prisoner CNN helped free from Syrian prison was actually notorious Assad-regime torturer: report https://t.co/XkuVhPTWKw pic.twitter.com/nj1PCu6Xr9

— New York Post (@nypost) December 16, 2024

Syrian christian clergy statement from Damascus:

“We christians are from the soil of the Levant.. We are not guests on this land, the one and only guarantee is the constitution.. and so drafting it must be a national inclusive process”pic.twitter.com/6al1VQw9ue

— Rami Jarrah (@RamiJarrah) December 16, 2024

Wait, what?!? https://t.co/ldyJud7C01

— Avi Woolf, Wilderness Conservative🐺 (@AviWoolf) December 19, 2024

There will be no campus encampments, no student protests, no global intifadas. I wonder why 🤔 https://t.co/yg4VJYThMj

— Max Abrahms (@MaxAbrahms) December 17, 2024