The real reason for Greenland

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/denmark-increase-military-spending-north-atlantic-2-billion-amid-row-trump-over-greenland

This may have been Trump's goal all along to get Denmark to actually get serious about defending it. Not just sit there, ignore it and wait for the US if Russia or someone else starts to encroach.
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BearFan33 said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/denmark-increase-military-spending-north-atlantic-2-billion-amid-row-trump-over-greenland

This may have been Trump's goal all along to get Denmark to actually get serious about defending it. Not just sit there, ignore it and wait for the US if Russia or someone else starts to encroach.
and still people will say Trump is crazy
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Most if the people who say that don't know what a woman is & think it's ok & desirable to kill babies.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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https://time.com/7312624/greenland-covert-operation-trump-denmark/

Denmark Summons U.S. Envoy Over Report of Trump-Linked Covert Influence Operation in Greenland

Denmark's foreign minister has summoned the top U.S. diplomat in Copenhagen after the country's national broadcaster reported that three people linked to President Donald Trump had been carrying out covert influence operations in Greenland.
Citing government and security sources, the broadcaster, DR, said three Americans close to the president had been compiling names of Greenlandic citizens who supported Trump's plans to take over the island, and who might be willing to join a secessionist movement.
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The report said the sources believed the goal of the operation was to "penetrate Greenlandic society in order to weaken relations with Denmark from within and make the Greenlanders submit to the United States."
Danish Foreign Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen confirmed in a statement to TIME that he had summoned Mark Stroh, the U.S. charge d'affaires in Copenhagen, adding that "any attempt to interfere in the internal affairs of the Kingdom [of Denmark] will of course be unacceptable."
Read more: History Explains Trump's Interest in GreenlandAnd Why Buying It Won't Be So Easy
"We are aware that foreign actors continue to show an interest in Greenland and its position in the Kingdom of Denmark. It is therefore not surprising if we experience outside attempts to influence the future of the Kingdom in the time ahead," he said.
The broadcaster did not publish the names of the three Americans who were alleged to have been carrying out the operation, but described one of them as having been "seen in public with the US president many times" and "recently been appointed to a role that could give him influence over US security policy."
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The other two have "regularly traveled back and forth between Greenland and the United States in recent years," and have previously worked under Trump.
The report added that all three men's activities were closely monitored by the Danish government.
The U.S. currently has no ambassador in Denmark. A charge d'affaires is a diplomat who serves as chief of mission in the absence of the ambassador.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Trump spent his first few months in office pushing to make Greenland, which is a semiautonomous territory of the Kingdom of Denmark, a part of the United States. The president claimed the island was essential to U.S. national security, and did not rule out using military force to acquire it.
"We need Greenland for national security and even international security," Trump said earlier this month during a joint session of Congress, pointing to the influence of other global powers in the Arctic, specifically Russia and China. "And I think we're going to get it one way or the other."
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Greenlandthe world's largest island that is not a continentis sparsely populated by just over 56,000 people, but heavy in natural resources, including rare earth minerals, uranium, and iron. In fact, Greenland has 25 of the 34 minerals categorized as "critical raw materials" by the European Commission.
These minerals include lithium and titanium, which are critical for manufacturing technology that Trump is attempting to boost in the United States including phones and computer chips.
Trump sent diplomats from his Administration to Greenland earlier this year as part of his push to acquire Greenland, including his son in January, and in March, Lady Usha Vance, National Security Adviser Michael Waltz, and Energy Secretary Chris Wright to Greenland.
His previous attempts to send diplomats there, though, have not gone over well with Greenland leaders nor Denmark leaders.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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Trump believes it's vital. Denmark gotta step up its defense game and partnership with the US if it wants to keep it.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Trump believes it's vital. Denmark gotta step up its defense game and partnership with the US if it wants to keep it.


No way Trump forcibly takes Greenland. He seems somewhat of a loose cannon these days but I just don't see this happening.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
FLBear5630
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Well, we are now in the same league as China, Russia and others that invade and take.

Reuters - European leaders rally behind Greenland in face of renewed US threat

Ends justifies the means, so all that matters is if Donald takes it. They can't stop us. I would say NATO is pretty much on its last legs as a military organization.



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J.R.
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Harrison Bergeron said:

ron.reagan said:

I see the Nazi party reforming in real time.

There is no scenario where expansion of our borders is a lawful act. Military or financial pressure for a country to surrender it's sovereignty is an act of evil.

Thankfully I have not met a single conservative outside the internet that doesn't think Trump is going off the rails with this bull*****


You don't have to keep demonstrating you're a loyal fan of The View.

somewhat funny that Hammerskin Hank always has a lot to say about the View. I guess that is what he watches whilst sitting home collecting his govt cheese with Assman while momma works on them biscuits.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Trump believes it's vital. Denmark gotta step up its defense game and partnership with the US if it wants to keep it.


No way Trump forcibly takes Greenland. He seems somewhat of a loose cannon these days but I just don't see this happening.


No doubt. Seems like a no way the US or Trump will do that situation.

It's posturing clearly. It definitely looks bad, but it may be the only way to get the West serious about protecting Greenland... And it is clearly a hands off, no trespassing sign for China and Russia.

Something else that I think is obvious, perhaps the red threat is greater than the West lets on - the Chinese and Russians are working overtime on controlling key resources in our hemisphere. Perhaps only Trump is strong enough to deal with it rather than pass the buck 10 years down the road.
It is very clear that the West is intent on destroying itself from the inside out. And China is looking for strategic control.
Honestly people are afraid to admit what is clear to anyone paying attention. 10 to 15 more years of weak foreign policy plus the Western progressive society will end America as we know it. America is the ONLY stronghold in this world where liberty still matters. And if Europe wants to squander that, we don't have to accept it willy nilly. We can do something about it for our future. So I'm willing give Trump some benefit of the doubt for that reason.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.


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TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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As I've stated when Trump was reelected and first talked about Greenland - the US could make each citizen in Greenland multimillionaires overnight while keeping the country generally under the populations control. I think buying (via agreements) the access, control, and defense responsibilities is the best and most likely approach.

The West was getting weaker while the reds where getting stronger. It's been the illusion of peace, thanks to the US, that has the West and Americans stupidly giving away their countries, wealth, liberties and security. It's time some of you wake up. The world has never been safe for liberty, progressives are always trying to enslave the world population.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.


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Porteroso
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To give Trump a little credit, he certainly did not come up with this one his own, he just blabbed about it constantly once soneone told him.

There have to be things happening in the Arctic that we dont know about, and our military wants to get ahead of.

If we truly need Greenland to guarantee our safety, we need to make Geeenland an offer it cannot refuse. And behind closed doors, we have to convince the EU why it is necessary.
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KaiBear said:

ron.reagan said:

I see the Nazi party reforming in real time.

There is no scenario where expansion of our borders is a lawful act. Military or financial pressure for a country to surrender it's sovereignty is an act of evil.

Thankfully I have not met a single conservative outside the internet that doesn't think Trump is going off the rails with this bull*****


You are in for a frustrating four years.

Might want to load up on some tranquilizers and a dictionary.


Add a sprinkling of saltpeter to the diet...we don't want this stuff spreading.
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Porteroso said:

To give Trump a little credit, he certainly did not come up with this one his own, he just blabbed about it constantly once soneone told him.

There have to be things happening in the Arctic that we dont know about, and our military wants to get ahead of.

If we truly need Greenland to guarantee our safety, we need to make Geeenland an offer it cannot refuse. And behind closed doors, we have to convince the EU why it is necessary.

two dynamics are visible. One old, and one new.

The old: Denmark has given Greenland too much autonomy, given the limits of Danish military power. That creates opportunity for other powers to swoop in. Better us to do the swooping than anyone else (most especially Russia or China, each of whom have been nosing around the target).

The new: Drones and robots are (or very soon will be) Arctic-proof. That reduces natural barriers that ice and space have typically afforded us at the poles (and the North one is a LOT more important to us than the South one).
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whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

To give Trump a little credit, he certainly did not come up with this one his own, he just blabbed about it constantly once soneone told him.

There have to be things happening in the Arctic that we dont know about, and our military wants to get ahead of.

If we truly need Greenland to guarantee our safety, we need to make Geeenland an offer it cannot refuse. And behind closed doors, we have to convince the EU why it is necessary.

two dynamics are visible. One old, and one new.

The old: Denmark has given Greenland too much autonomy, given the limits of Danish military power. That creates opportunity for other powers to swoop in. Better us to do the swooping than anyone else (most especially Russia or China, each of whom have been nosing around the target).

The new: Drones and robots are (or very soon will be) Arctic-proof. That reduces natural barriers that ice and space have typically afforded us at the poles (and the North one is a LOT more important to us than the South one).


But beneath the south one is where the demons or aliens are at. Or so I'm told.
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whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

To give Trump a little credit, he certainly did not come up with this one his own, he just blabbed about it constantly once soneone told him.

There have to be things happening in the Arctic that we dont know about, and our military wants to get ahead of.

If we truly need Greenland to guarantee our safety, we need to make Geeenland an offer it cannot refuse. And behind closed doors, we have to convince the EU why it is necessary.

two dynamics are visible. One old, and one new.

The old: Denmark has given Greenland too much autonomy, given the limits of Danish military power. That creates opportunity for other powers to swoop in. Better us to do the swooping than anyone else (most especially Russia or China, each of whom have been nosing around the target).

The new: Drones and robots are (or very soon will be) Arctic-proof. That reduces natural barriers that ice and space have typically afforded us at the poles (and the North one is a LOT more important to us than the South one).

Interesting points.

None of which would justify invading Greenland.

Would be a public relations nightmare world wide, and the American people would overwhelmingly oppose the act as well.

In any case the next Dem president would immediately return Greenland to the Danes.......so the mess would all be for nothing.
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KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

To give Trump a little credit, he certainly did not come up with this one his own, he just blabbed about it constantly once soneone told him.

There have to be things happening in the Arctic that we dont know about, and our military wants to get ahead of.

If we truly need Greenland to guarantee our safety, we need to make Geeenland an offer it cannot refuse. And behind closed doors, we have to convince the EU why it is necessary.

two dynamics are visible. One old, and one new.

The old: Denmark has given Greenland too much autonomy, given the limits of Danish military power. That creates opportunity for other powers to swoop in. Better us to do the swooping than anyone else (most especially Russia or China, each of whom have been nosing around the target).

The new: Drones and robots are (or very soon will be) Arctic-proof. That reduces natural barriers that ice and space have typically afforded us at the poles (and the North one is a LOT more important to us than the South one).

Interesting points.

None of which would justify invading Greenland.

Would be a public relations nightmare world wide, and the American people would overwhelmingly oppose the act as well.

In any case the next Dem president would immediately return Greenland to the Danes.......so the mess would all be for nothing.

Same with tariffs. And many actions on the border. Someone with a brain needs to come up with legitimate reasons for all of this, otherwise America will vote these policies and actions right back out.

Trump pairs many normal actions with insane rhetoric. It's one of his superpowers, making the normal seem evil.
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Porteroso said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

To give Trump a little credit, he certainly did not come up with this one his own, he just blabbed about it constantly once soneone told him.

There have to be things happening in the Arctic that we dont know about, and our military wants to get ahead of.

If we truly need Greenland to guarantee our safety, we need to make Geeenland an offer it cannot refuse. And behind closed doors, we have to convince the EU why it is necessary.

two dynamics are visible. One old, and one new.

The old: Denmark has given Greenland too much autonomy, given the limits of Danish military power. That creates opportunity for other powers to swoop in. Better us to do the swooping than anyone else (most especially Russia or China, each of whom have been nosing around the target).

The new: Drones and robots are (or very soon will be) Arctic-proof. That reduces natural barriers that ice and space have typically afforded us at the poles (and the North one is a LOT more important to us than the South one).

Interesting points.

None of which would justify invading Greenland.

Would be a public relations nightmare world wide, and the American people would overwhelmingly oppose the act as well.

In any case the next Dem president would immediately return Greenland to the Danes.......so the mess would all be for nothing.

Same with tariffs. And many actions on the border. Someone with a brain needs to come up with legitimate reasons for all of this, otherwise America will vote these policies and actions right back out.

Trump pairs many normal actions with insane rhetoric. It's one of his superpowers, making the normal seem evil.

Trump pairs many normal actions with insane rhetoric. It's one of his superpowers, making the normal seem evil.

That is a great point. Take the notification of Congress. Rubio's response was great, time sensitive and waiting for conditions. Good. Makes sense, no issues.

Trump - Leakage. It was due to Congress leaking. Ok, now you are on the wrong side. Just keep your mouth shut and let your SecState handle it.
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All the uproar over Greenland along with the Maduro "intervention" makes me wonder what our intelligence folks really know about global threats.
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I guarantee if we buy it, it will be renamed "Trumpland".



KaiBear
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There is zero need to acquire Greenland by any method.

Jack Bauer
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"They've been in relationship with Denmark -- that needs to end."

Have we "spilled blood" for Greenlanders?



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Jack Bauer said:

Have we "spilled blood" for Greenlanders?

I heard Don Junior got a paper cut on his visit several months ago.

That's about it.
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boognish_bear said:




The guy who had a stroke makes the most sense...because of course.
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ron needs his meds upped again.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
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Jack Bauer said:

"They've been in relationship with Denmark -- that needs to end."

Have we "spilled blood" for Greenlanders?





Predator?
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

The arctic is heating up. Russia and China have partnered and are expanding their activities there. While clearly the stated focus is "resources", the truth is that we know that they will also build up infrastructure that could be used for military purposes.

Short sighted mind virus TDSers, please stop embarrassing yourself. The world is a dangerous place, and Russia and China becoming besties isn't going to make it any safer.




Even given this, isn't a Greenland run by a NATO ally good enough?
 
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