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We are all better off when Trump and Musk can work together on fixing government failures. This will hurt this administration if those two can't work together at all.

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That's true. Trump usually works well with others. Musk can be a bit of a problem when there are other strong personalities around, apparently.

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Who has Trump ever worked well with? Seriously? Who has he ever had a relationship that ended well? Great ideas, good starts, but EVERY endeavor ends in ruin. Usually with him claiming to be a victim.

USFL, Atlantic City, Trump "You Name It", etc...

The only place he had any success was reality TV where his job WAS to create drama.

Look at his last Cabinet. Look at his last Presidential stint, ended up with Congress being stormed. Please tell me who he has worked well with and not alienated?

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Fair comments.

But Harris remains the more destructive choice.

We can only hope Trump settles down and compromises where necessary.

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True, sadly he was the better choice than Harris, Biden and Clinton. I voted for him. He seems to be going down a very destructive path, more so even for him

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Yeah his administration certainly appears to be floundering lately.

But in fairness its due to the courts....the Dem delay game is working still again.

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Well, he is using provisions that are iffy in interpretations to supersede Congress. He has declared 8 National Emergencies. He is using Emergency Powers to do whatever he wants. That is going to end up in Court.

You may be concerned over the economy, but National Emergency? We have 4% unemployment and the largest GDP in the world.

The one I agree on is the border. He did a good job there.

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Agree again...Trump certainly is pushing his EO's into strange territories.

But with such narrow majorities in congress Trump has little choice.

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True. He will win some and lose some. But, I think that is the point. Establish the Emergency Powers more clearly. He is basically making them say NO.

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The elephant in the room everyone is ignoring, is the GOP Congress. They throw out statements about fixing the problems, from the border to entitlements to trade to the debt, but when they get the chance they never do.

Look at Lindsay Graham, for example. Such a cheerleader but never actually works to get anything passed.

Trump is using the tools he has, and mixed with a fluid public mood and Trump's habit of saying literally whatever is in his mind at the moment, and you get where we are

Some great ideas, some novel tactics, some absolutely evil political tricks by judges, and some poor follow through.

And we're just starting this term.

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Very true. Congress is a problem. They have abandoned their responsibilities. Use their position as a Financial Inside trading club and are only concerned with getting re-elected.

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Congress began withering away its power with FDR.

Then the process continued with Truman and Obama.

.@POTUS on @elonmusk: "I just wish him well." pic.twitter.com/2PuFiq5dPe

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) June 6, 2025

The America Party https://t.co/hO5S8Kjb5O

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 6, 2025

🚨🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/2pmDQF8EG6

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) June 6, 2025

Hope this isn't just bluster

BREAKING: President Trump says Chinese President Xi has agreed to restart the flow of rare earth metals to the US.

Trump also says the US and China are “very far advanced” ahead of Monday’s talks.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 6, 2025

I super agree with this guy 👇 https://t.co/KMSXVsWuOO

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 5, 2025

BREAKING: The US economy adds 139,000 jobs in May, above expectations of 126,000.

The unemployment rate was 4.2%, in-line with expectations of 4.2%.

The April jobs number was revised down from 177,000 to 147,000.

The headline numbers continue to exceed expectations.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 6, 2025

Californians pay the bills for the federal government.

We pay over $80 BILLION more in taxes than we get back.

Maybe it’s time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump. pic.twitter.com/lwFHFSgSyJ

— Gavin Newsom (@GavinNewsom) June 6, 2025

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boognish_bear said:

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Full transparency, I did not know about this section on pages 278-279 of the OBBB that strips states of the right to make laws or regulate AI for 10 years.

I am adamantly OPPOSED to this and it is a violation of state rights and I would have voted NO if I had known this was in… pic.twitter.com/bip3hztSGq

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 3, 2025

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She didn't know what she was voting for????? Stripping State of rights is a rather big miss. This isn't a 300k grant she overlooked.

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At least she regrets it... many of her colleagues happily voted for it

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This illustrates why no one should vote on a bill without reading and analyzing it thoroughly. It also is another data point on the evils of ping bills with hundreds of pages. Some of the more notorious bills were over 1,000 pages.

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Only electeds count. there should be no Federal government outside of the 1783 levels.

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That's a nice ideal. I don't know if it's possible. Regardless, it will never be restored to anything like that.

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This immense level of overspending will drive America into debt slavery! https://t.co/AuBXzJRjIT

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 4, 2025

BREAKING: Elon Musk endorses proposal to bar all sitting members of Congress from reelection if the deficit exceeds 3% of U.S. GDP.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) June 4, 2025

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Change that proposal: bar all sitting members of Congress from being re-elected if the budget has ANY deficit. We should insist on a balanced budget and surpluses until the debt is greatly reduced. The good news is that once it becomes a habit it will become easier. Also, once the debt starts going down economic growth will bring in more revenue facilitating further debt reduction. I know it's a pipe dream but it is possible. Holding politicians accountable is a prerequisite step to solving this crisis that they created.

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BREAKING: President Trump orders AG Pam Bondi to launch a full investigation into the Biden autopen scandal, as well as any cover-ups related to the former president’s health.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) June 5, 2025

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could the cover-ups be considered "obstruction of justice?"

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That is the legal definition of a cover up. It cost Nixon his presidency and almost landed him in prison.

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Can Trump also take the high road here?

BREAKING: Elon Musk agrees that he and President Trump should “make peace” for the benefit of the country.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) June 6, 2025

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He can but will he? It's not exactly in his personality. One problem with this feud is that both are narcissists who crave attention. That doesn't bode well.

Sometimes I wonder if this political theater is all scripted in the sense that they are both acting out to manipulate the media & other Leftists. Probably not but who knows. They are both masters of trolling.

Boognish, Cali withholding federal tax dollars sets off a whole new chain of events. Here's part of it on Cali trying to withhold federal taxes from paychecks.

Generally, no, a state cannot directly withhold federal taxes from your paycheck, nor can it prevent the federal government from collecting its taxes. State and federal tax collection operate separately.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Supremacy Clause: The U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause establishes that federal laws are the "Supreme Law of the Land," meaning states cannot override or nullify federal laws, including tax laws.
• Employer's Role: Your employer, whether a private company or a state entity, is responsible for withholding both federal and state income taxes from your wages and remitting them to the appropriate government agency (IRS for federal, state tax authority for state taxes). The amount withheld depends on your earnings and the information provided on your federal W-4 form and any applicable state withholding form.
• State Income Tax Withholding: States with income taxes will have their own withholding rules and forms (similar to the federal W-4 but specific to the state). However, this state withholding is for state taxes, not federal taxes.
• Example (Texas): Texas doesn't have a state income tax, so there's no state withholding on wages earned in Texas. However, employers in Texas still must withhold federal income tax according to IRS guidelines.
• State and Federal Income Tax Coordination: While states cannot directly withhold federal taxes, they do cooperate with the federal government in tax administration, for example, through information exchange agreements to help identify taxpayers who may owe both federal and state income tax.

Important Note: The possibility of a state attempting to disrupt federal tax collection through non-cooperation exists, but legal experts say such actions would be challenged and likely struck down due to the Supremacy Clause.

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This immense level of overspending will drive America into debt slavery! https://t.co/AuBXzJRjIT

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 4, 2025

BREAKING: Elon Musk endorses proposal to bar all sitting members of Congress from reelection if the deficit exceeds 3% of U.S. GDP.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) June 4, 2025

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Change that proposal: bar all sitting members of Congress from being re-elected if the budget has ANY deficit. We should insist on a balanced budget and surpluses until the debt is greatly reduced. The good news is that once it becomes a habit it will become easier. Also, once the debt starts going down economic growth will bring in more revenue facilitating further debt reduction. I know it's a pipe dream but it is possible. Holding politicians accountable is a prerequisite step to solving this crisis that they created.

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Heck, just bar all sitting Congress members from re-election if they don't pass a real budget on time as stated in the Constitution

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We are all better off when Trump and Musk can work together on fixing government failures. This will hurt this administration if those two can't work together at all.

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That's true. Trump usually works well with others. Musk can be a bit of a problem when there are other strong personalities around, apparently.

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Who has Trump ever worked well with? Seriously? Who has he ever had a relationship that ended well? Great ideas, good starts, but EVERY endeavor ends in ruin. Usually with him claiming to be a victim.

USFL, Atlantic City, Trump "You Name It", etc...

The only place he had any success was reality TV where his job WAS to create drama.

Look at his last Cabinet. Look at his last Presidential stint, ended up with Congress being stormed. Please tell me who he has worked well with and not alienated?

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Fair comments.

But Harris remains the more destructive choice.

We can only hope Trump settles down and compromises where necessary.

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True, sadly he was the better choice than Harris, Biden and Clinton. I voted for him. He seems to be going down a very destructive path, more so even for him

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Yeah his administration certainly appears to be floundering lately.

But in fairness its due to the courts....the Dem delay game is working still again.

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Well, he is using provisions that are iffy in interpretations to supersede Congress. He has declared 8 National Emergencies. He is using Emergency Powers to do whatever he wants. That is going to end up in Court.

You may be concerned over the economy, but National Emergency? We have 4% unemployment and the largest GDP in the world.

The one I agree on is the border. He did a good job there.

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Agree again...Trump certainly is pushing his EO's into strange territories.

But with such narrow majorities in congress Trump has little choice.

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True. He will win some and lose some. But, I think that is the point. Establish the Emergency Powers more clearly. He is basically making them say NO.

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The elephant in the room everyone is ignoring, is the GOP Congress. They throw out statements about fixing the problems, from the border to entitlements to trade to the debt, but when they get the chance they never do.

Look at Lindsay Graham, for example. Such a cheerleader but never actually works to get anything passed.

Trump is using the tools he has, and mixed with a fluid public mood and Trump's habit of saying literally whatever is in his mind at the moment, and you get where we are

Some great ideas, some novel tactics, some absolutely evil political tricks by judges, and some poor follow through.

And we're just starting this term.

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Very true. Congress is a problem. They have abandoned their responsibilities. Use their position as a Financial Inside trading club and are only concerned with getting re-elected.

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Congress began withering away its power with FDR.

Then the process continued with Truman and Obama.

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It started long before FDR….

(The Republican Congress essentially let Lincoln run the country as an elected dictator during the war.)

But you are right that this trend has accelerated.

I don't think the Founding Fathers ever imagined that one branch of the government in their system would just give up and abrogate their power away.

And even more shocking that it's the branch that the Founding Fathers had the most respect for and the most hope in it representing the people and "driving the wagon" as it were of constitutional & democratic self government

BREAKING: Trump says Elon Musk will face 'very serious consequences' if he funds Democratic candidateshttps://t.co/yKuDm7eydL

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) June 7, 2025

President Donald Trump on Saturday said there would be "serious consequences" if tech mogul Elon Musk funds Democratic candidates to run against Republicans who vote in favor of the GOP's sweeping budget bill.

"If he does, he'll have to pay the consequences for that," Trump told NBC News in a phone interview, but declined to share what those consequences would be.

"He'll have to pay very serious consequences if he does that," he added.

The president also said he has no desire to repair his relationship with Musk after a feud between the two men erupted into public view earlier this week.

"No," Trump said when asked if he had any wish to do so.

Asked if he thought his relationship with the Tesla and SpaceX CEO was over, Trump said, "I would assume so, yeah."

Trump's comments were the most extensive since he and Musk exchanged threats and attacks on X and Truth Social earlier this week. He added that he thought the Republican Party was more unified than ever after the two men fell out in front of the world.

Trump said he has no plans to speak with Musk anytime soon. "I'm too busy doing other things," he said, adding, "I have no intention of speaking to him."

Trump also accused Musk of being "disrespectful to the office of the President."

"I think it's a very bad thing, because he's very disrespectful. You could not disrespect the office of the President," he added.

Musk on Thursday launched a barrage of posts on X against the president, including a now-deleted post highlighting the onetime links between the president and the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

"That's called 'old news,' that's been old news, that has been talked about for years," Trump said on Saturday. "Even Epstein's lawyer said I had nothing to do with it. It's old news."

In the days leading up to their public falling out, Musk had been critical of a GOP-led spending bill that the House passed last month.

In the Oval Office on Thursday, Trump responded to Musk's criticisms, telling reporters, "I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill. I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot."

Shortly after those comments, Musk launched his flurry of posts, including a now-deleted post promoting a call for Trump to be impeached and another where he said the president's tariff agenda would cause a recession later this year.

Trump on Thursday also responded with his own posts on Truth Social. In one post, he wrote, "I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago," suggesting that Musk knew what was in the bill before it was passed.

He also wrote on Thursday, "The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon's Governmental Subsidies and Contracts," referring to federal contracts with SpaceX. "I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it!"

On Saturday, Trump said he hadn't given his suggestion about canceling Musk's companies' federal contracts any more thought.

"I'd be allowed to do that," he said, "but I have, I haven't given it any thought."

Trump also responded to calls from outside allies, like conservative activist Steve Bannon, who have said that Musk's business dealings and immigration record should be investigated by the federal government.

The president told NBC News that he hasn't had those conversations. "I mean it's not something that's on top of my mind right now," Trump said.

He also cast doubt on the notion that Musk's opposition to the "One Big Beautiful Bill Act" is jeopardizing the bill's chances of success, saying he's "very confident" that the bill will pass the Senate before July 4.

"The Republican Party has never been united like this before. It's never been. It's actually more so than it was three days ago," Trump said.

Musk contributed major financial support to Trump's presidential bid in 2024, spending over a quarter of a billion dollars to boost him in swing states last year. In the first months of the administration, Trump put Musk in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency, where he oversaw mass layoffs of federal workers and the shuttering or partial closing of several agencies.

The feud, Trump said, has made lawmakers see the benefits of the bill.

"I think, actually, Elon brought out the strengths of the bill because people that weren't as focused started focusing on it, and they see how good it is," Trump said. "So in that sense, there was a big favor. But I think Elon, really, I think it's a shame that he's so depressed and so heartbroken."

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BREAKING: Trump says Elon Musk will face 'very serious consequences' if he funds Democratic candidateshttps://t.co/yKuDm7eydL

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) June 7, 2025

President Donald Trump on Saturday said there would be "serious consequences" if tech mogul Elon Musk funds Democratic candidates to run against Republicans who vote in favor of the GOP's sweeping budget bill.

"If he does, he'll have to pay the consequences for that," Trump told NBC News in a phone interview, but declined to share what those consequences would be.

"He'll have to pay very serious consequences if he does that," he added.

The president also said he has no desire to repair his relationship with Musk after a feud between the two men erupted into public view earlier this week.

"No," Trump said when asked if he had any wish to do so.

Asked if he thought his relationship with the Tesla and SpaceX CEO was over, Trump said, "I would assume so, yeah."

Trump's comments were the most extensive since he and Musk exchanged threats and attacks on X and Truth Social earlier this week. He added that he thought the Republican Party was more unified than ever after the two men fell out in front of the world.

Trump said he has no plans to speak with Musk anytime soon. "I'm too busy doing other things," he said, adding, "I have no intention of speaking to him."

Trump also accused Musk of being "disrespectful to the office of the President."

"I think it's a very bad thing, because he's very disrespectful. You could not disrespect the office of the President," he added.

Musk on Thursday launched a barrage of posts on X against the president, including a now-deleted post highlighting the onetime links between the president and the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

"That's called 'old news,' that's been old news, that has been talked about for years," Trump said on Saturday. "Even Epstein's lawyer said I had nothing to do with it. It's old news."

In the days leading up to their public falling out, Musk had been critical of a GOP-led spending bill that the House passed last month.

In the Oval Office on Thursday, Trump responded to Musk's criticisms, telling reporters, "I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill. I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot."

Shortly after those comments, Musk launched his flurry of posts, including a now-deleted post promoting a call for Trump to be impeached and another where he said the president's tariff agenda would cause a recession later this year.

Trump on Thursday also responded with his own posts on Truth Social. In one post, he wrote, "I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago," suggesting that Musk knew what was in the bill before it was passed.

He also wrote on Thursday, "The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon's Governmental Subsidies and Contracts," referring to federal contracts with SpaceX. "I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it!"

On Saturday, Trump said he hadn't given his suggestion about canceling Musk's companies' federal contracts any more thought.

"I'd be allowed to do that," he said, "but I have, I haven't given it any thought."

Trump also responded to calls from outside allies, like conservative activist Steve Bannon, who have said that Musk's business dealings and immigration record should be investigated by the federal government.

The president told NBC News that he hasn't had those conversations. "I mean it's not something that's on top of my mind right now," Trump said.

He also cast doubt on the notion that Musk's opposition to the "One Big Beautiful Bill Act" is jeopardizing the bill's chances of success, saying he's "very confident" that the bill will pass the Senate before July 4.

"The Republican Party has never been united like this before. It's never been. It's actually more so than it was three days ago," Trump said.

Musk contributed major financial support to Trump's presidential bid in 2024, spending over a quarter of a billion dollars to boost him in swing states last year. In the first months of the administration, Trump put Musk in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency, where he oversaw mass layoffs of federal workers and the shuttering or partial closing of several agencies.

The feud, Trump said, has made lawmakers see the benefits of the bill.

"I think, actually, Elon brought out the strengths of the bill because people that weren't as focused started focusing on it, and they see how good it is," Trump said. "So in that sense, there was a big favor. But I think Elon, really, I think it's a shame that he's so depressed and so heartbroken."

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They need to get over it. Both need to check their egos enough to make it happen. But who would make the first move? They both would take such a move as a sign of weakness. Thus lies the problem.

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Trump says Elon Musk will face 'very serious consequences' if he funds Democratic candidateshttps://t.co/yKuDm7eydL

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) June 7, 2025

President Donald Trump on Saturday said there would be "serious consequences" if tech mogul Elon Musk funds Democratic candidates to run against Republicans who vote in favor of the GOP's sweeping budget bill.

"If he does, he'll have to pay the consequences for that," Trump told NBC News in a phone interview, but declined to share what those consequences would be.

"He'll have to pay very serious consequences if he does that," he added.

The president also said he has no desire to repair his relationship with Musk after a feud between the two men erupted into public view earlier this week.

"No," Trump said when asked if he had any wish to do so.

Asked if he thought his relationship with the Tesla and SpaceX CEO was over, Trump said, "I would assume so, yeah."

Trump's comments were the most extensive since he and Musk exchanged threats and attacks on X and Truth Social earlier this week. He added that he thought the Republican Party was more unified than ever after the two men fell out in front of the world.

Trump said he has no plans to speak with Musk anytime soon. "I'm too busy doing other things," he said, adding, "I have no intention of speaking to him."

Trump also accused Musk of being "disrespectful to the office of the President."

"I think it's a very bad thing, because he's very disrespectful. You could not disrespect the office of the President," he added.

Musk on Thursday launched a barrage of posts on X against the president, including a now-deleted post highlighting the onetime links between the president and the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

"That's called 'old news,' that's been old news, that has been talked about for years," Trump said on Saturday. "Even Epstein's lawyer said I had nothing to do with it. It's old news."

In the days leading up to their public falling out, Musk had been critical of a GOP-led spending bill that the House passed last month.

In the Oval Office on Thursday, Trump responded to Musk's criticisms, telling reporters, "I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill. I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot."

Shortly after those comments, Musk launched his flurry of posts, including a now-deleted post promoting a call for Trump to be impeached and another where he said the president's tariff agenda would cause a recession later this year.

Trump on Thursday also responded with his own posts on Truth Social. In one post, he wrote, "I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago," suggesting that Musk knew what was in the bill before it was passed.

He also wrote on Thursday, "The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon's Governmental Subsidies and Contracts," referring to federal contracts with SpaceX. "I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it!"

On Saturday, Trump said he hadn't given his suggestion about canceling Musk's companies' federal contracts any more thought.

"I'd be allowed to do that," he said, "but I have, I haven't given it any thought."

Trump also responded to calls from outside allies, like conservative activist Steve Bannon, who have said that Musk's business dealings and immigration record should be investigated by the federal government.

The president told NBC News that he hasn't had those conversations. "I mean it's not something that's on top of my mind right now," Trump said.

He also cast doubt on the notion that Musk's opposition to the "One Big Beautiful Bill Act" is jeopardizing the bill's chances of success, saying he's "very confident" that the bill will pass the Senate before July 4.

"The Republican Party has never been united like this before. It's never been. It's actually more so than it was three days ago," Trump said.

Musk contributed major financial support to Trump's presidential bid in 2024, spending over a quarter of a billion dollars to boost him in swing states last year. In the first months of the administration, Trump put Musk in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency, where he oversaw mass layoffs of federal workers and the shuttering or partial closing of several agencies.

The feud, Trump said, has made lawmakers see the benefits of the bill.

"I think, actually, Elon brought out the strengths of the bill because people that weren't as focused started focusing on it, and they see how good it is," Trump said. "So in that sense, there was a big favor. But I think Elon, really, I think it's a shame that he's so depressed and so heartbroken."

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They need to get over it. Both need to check their egos enough to make it happen. But who would make the first move? They both would take such a move as a sign of weakness. Thus lies the problem.

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Late yesterday Elon said he was willing to put his differences aside and work with Trump. But so far Trump has not indicated he wants to try working it out.

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Trump says Elon Musk will face 'very serious consequences' if he funds Democratic candidateshttps://t.co/yKuDm7eydL

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) June 7, 2025

President Donald Trump on Saturday said there would be "serious consequences" if tech mogul Elon Musk funds Democratic candidates to run against Republicans who vote in favor of the GOP's sweeping budget bill.

"If he does, he'll have to pay the consequences for that," Trump told NBC News in a phone interview, but declined to share what those consequences would be.

"He'll have to pay very serious consequences if he does that," he added.

The president also said he has no desire to repair his relationship with Musk after a feud between the two men erupted into public view earlier this week.

"No," Trump said when asked if he had any wish to do so.

Asked if he thought his relationship with the Tesla and SpaceX CEO was over, Trump said, "I would assume so, yeah."

Trump's comments were the most extensive since he and Musk exchanged threats and attacks on X and Truth Social earlier this week. He added that he thought the Republican Party was more unified than ever after the two men fell out in front of the world.

Trump said he has no plans to speak with Musk anytime soon. "I'm too busy doing other things," he said, adding, "I have no intention of speaking to him."

Trump also accused Musk of being "disrespectful to the office of the President."

"I think it's a very bad thing, because he's very disrespectful. You could not disrespect the office of the President," he added.

Musk on Thursday launched a barrage of posts on X against the president, including a now-deleted post highlighting the onetime links between the president and the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

"That's called 'old news,' that's been old news, that has been talked about for years," Trump said on Saturday. "Even Epstein's lawyer said I had nothing to do with it. It's old news."

In the days leading up to their public falling out, Musk had been critical of a GOP-led spending bill that the House passed last month.

In the Oval Office on Thursday, Trump responded to Musk's criticisms, telling reporters, "I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill. I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot."

Shortly after those comments, Musk launched his flurry of posts, including a now-deleted post promoting a call for Trump to be impeached and another where he said the president's tariff agenda would cause a recession later this year.

Trump on Thursday also responded with his own posts on Truth Social. In one post, he wrote, "I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago," suggesting that Musk knew what was in the bill before it was passed.

He also wrote on Thursday, "The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon's Governmental Subsidies and Contracts," referring to federal contracts with SpaceX. "I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it!"

On Saturday, Trump said he hadn't given his suggestion about canceling Musk's companies' federal contracts any more thought.

"I'd be allowed to do that," he said, "but I have, I haven't given it any thought."

Trump also responded to calls from outside allies, like conservative activist Steve Bannon, who have said that Musk's business dealings and immigration record should be investigated by the federal government.

The president told NBC News that he hasn't had those conversations. "I mean it's not something that's on top of my mind right now," Trump said.

He also cast doubt on the notion that Musk's opposition to the "One Big Beautiful Bill Act" is jeopardizing the bill's chances of success, saying he's "very confident" that the bill will pass the Senate before July 4.

"The Republican Party has never been united like this before. It's never been. It's actually more so than it was three days ago," Trump said.

Musk contributed major financial support to Trump's presidential bid in 2024, spending over a quarter of a billion dollars to boost him in swing states last year. In the first months of the administration, Trump put Musk in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency, where he oversaw mass layoffs of federal workers and the shuttering or partial closing of several agencies.

The feud, Trump said, has made lawmakers see the benefits of the bill.

"I think, actually, Elon brought out the strengths of the bill because people that weren't as focused started focusing on it, and they see how good it is," Trump said. "So in that sense, there was a big favor. But I think Elon, really, I think it's a shame that he's so depressed and so heartbroken."

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They need to get over it. Both need to check their egos enough to make it happen. But who would make the first move? They both would take such a move as a sign of weakness. Thus lies the problem.

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Late yesterday Elon said he was willing to put his differences aside and work with Trump. But so far Trump has not indicated he wants to try working it out.

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Art of the sulk?

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BREAKING: Trump says Elon Musk will face 'very serious consequences' if he funds Democratic candidateshttps://t.co/yKuDm7eydL

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) June 7, 2025

President Donald Trump on Saturday said there would be "serious consequences" if tech mogul Elon Musk funds Democratic candidates to run against Republicans who vote in favor of the GOP's sweeping budget bill.

"If he does, he'll have to pay the consequences for that," Trump told NBC News in a phone interview, but declined to share what those consequences would be.

"He'll have to pay very serious consequences if he does that," he added.

The president also said he has no desire to repair his relationship with Musk after a feud between the two men erupted into public view earlier this week.

"No," Trump said when asked if he had any wish to do so.

Asked if he thought his relationship with the Tesla and SpaceX CEO was over, Trump said, "I would assume so, yeah."

Trump's comments were the most extensive since he and Musk exchanged threats and attacks on X and Truth Social earlier this week. He added that he thought the Republican Party was more unified than ever after the two men fell out in front of the world.

Trump said he has no plans to speak with Musk anytime soon. "I'm too busy doing other things," he said, adding, "I have no intention of speaking to him."

Trump also accused Musk of being "disrespectful to the office of the President."

"I think it's a very bad thing, because he's very disrespectful. You could not disrespect the office of the President," he added.

Musk on Thursday launched a barrage of posts on X against the president, including a now-deleted post highlighting the onetime links between the president and the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

"That's called 'old news,' that's been old news, that has been talked about for years," Trump said on Saturday. "Even Epstein's lawyer said I had nothing to do with it. It's old news."

In the days leading up to their public falling out, Musk had been critical of a GOP-led spending bill that the House passed last month.

In the Oval Office on Thursday, Trump responded to Musk's criticisms, telling reporters, "I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill. I'm very disappointed in Elon. I've helped Elon a lot."

Shortly after those comments, Musk launched his flurry of posts, including a now-deleted post promoting a call for Trump to be impeached and another where he said the president's tariff agenda would cause a recession later this year.

Trump on Thursday also responded with his own posts on Truth Social. In one post, he wrote, "I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago," suggesting that Musk knew what was in the bill before it was passed.

He also wrote on Thursday, "The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon's Governmental Subsidies and Contracts," referring to federal contracts with SpaceX. "I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it!"

On Saturday, Trump said he hadn't given his suggestion about canceling Musk's companies' federal contracts any more thought.

"I'd be allowed to do that," he said, "but I have, I haven't given it any thought."

Trump also responded to calls from outside allies, like conservative activist Steve Bannon, who have said that Musk's business dealings and immigration record should be investigated by the federal government.

The president told NBC News that he hasn't had those conversations. "I mean it's not something that's on top of my mind right now," Trump said.

He also cast doubt on the notion that Musk's opposition to the "One Big Beautiful Bill Act" is jeopardizing the bill's chances of success, saying he's "very confident" that the bill will pass the Senate before July 4.

"The Republican Party has never been united like this before. It's never been. It's actually more so than it was three days ago," Trump said.

Musk contributed major financial support to Trump's presidential bid in 2024, spending over a quarter of a billion dollars to boost him in swing states last year. In the first months of the administration, Trump put Musk in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency, where he oversaw mass layoffs of federal workers and the shuttering or partial closing of several agencies.

The feud, Trump said, has made lawmakers see the benefits of the bill.

"I think, actually, Elon brought out the strengths of the bill because people that weren't as focused started focusing on it, and they see how good it is," Trump said. "So in that sense, there was a big favor. But I think Elon, really, I think it's a shame that he's so depressed and so heartbroken."

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They need to get over it. Both need to check their egos enough to make it happen. But who would make the first move? They both would take such a move as a sign of weakness. Thus lies the problem.

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Late yesterday Elon said he was willing to put his differences aside and work with Trump. But so far Trump has not indicated he wants to try working it out.

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Art of the sulk?

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I think Musk needs to make good with Scott Bessent, the fella he shoved (and maybe got the black eye from)

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We are all better off when Trump and Musk can work together on fixing government failures. This will hurt this administration if those two can't work together at all.

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That's true. Trump usually works well with others. Musk can be a bit of a problem when there are other strong personalities around, apparently.

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Who has Trump ever worked well with? Seriously? Who has he ever had a relationship that ended well? Great ideas, good starts, but EVERY endeavor ends in ruin. Usually with him claiming to be a victim.

USFL, Atlantic City, Trump "You Name It", etc...

The only place he had any success was reality TV where his job WAS to create drama.

Look at his last Cabinet. Look at his last Presidential stint, ended up with Congress being stormed. Please tell me who he has worked well with and not alienated?

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Fair comments.

But Harris remains the more destructive choice.

We can only hope Trump settles down and compromises where necessary.

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True, sadly he was the better choice than Harris, Biden and Clinton. I voted for him. He seems to be going down a very destructive path, more so even for him

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Yeah his administration certainly appears to be floundering lately.

But in fairness its due to the courts....the Dem delay game is working still again.

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Well, he is using provisions that are iffy in interpretations to supersede Congress. He has declared 8 National Emergencies. He is using Emergency Powers to do whatever he wants. That is going to end up in Court.

You may be concerned over the economy, but National Emergency? We have 4% unemployment and the largest GDP in the world.

The one I agree on is the border. He did a good job there.

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Agree again...Trump certainly is pushing his EO's into strange territories.

But with such narrow majorities in congress Trump has little choice.

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True. He will win some and lose some. But, I think that is the point. Establish the Emergency Powers more clearly. He is basically making them say NO.

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The elephant in the room everyone is ignoring, is the GOP Congress. They throw out statements about fixing the problems, from the border to entitlements to trade to the debt, but when they get the chance they never do.

Look at Lindsay Graham, for example. Such a cheerleader but never actually works to get anything passed.

Trump is using the tools he has, and mixed with a fluid public mood and Trump's habit of saying literally whatever is in his mind at the moment, and you get where we are

Some great ideas, some novel tactics, some absolutely evil political tricks by judges, and some poor follow through.

And we're just starting this term.

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Very true. Congress is a problem. They have abandoned their responsibilities. Use their position as a Financial Inside trading club and are only concerned with getting re-elected.

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Congress began withering away its power with FDR.

Then the process continued with Truman and Obama.

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It started long before FDR….

(The Republican Congress essentially let Lincoln run the country as an elected dictator during the war.)

But you are right that this trend has accelerated.

I don't think the Founding Fathers ever imagined that one branch of the government in their system would just give up and abrogate their power away.

And even more shocking that it's the branch that the Founding Fathers had the most respect for and the most hope in it representing the people and "driving the wagon" as it were of constitutional & democratic self government

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Still battling through LBJ's biography. Now he is the Senate Majority Leader and has just survived his 1956 heart attack.

In earlier chapters the author goes into great detail how the Founding Fathers intentionally designed senatorial elections and senate chamber procedures to protect the the country from ithe mpulsive / ignorant masses.

As well as the members of the House and executive branch.

Such protections are now all gone.

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We are all better off when Trump and Musk can work together on fixing government failures. This will hurt this administration if those two can't work together at all.

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That's true. Trump usually works well with others. Musk can be a bit of a problem when there are other strong personalities around, apparently.

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Who has Trump ever worked well with? Seriously? Who has he ever had a relationship that ended well? Great ideas, good starts, but EVERY endeavor ends in ruin. Usually with him claiming to be a victim.

USFL, Atlantic City, Trump "You Name It", etc...

The only place he had any success was reality TV where his job WAS to create drama.

Look at his last Cabinet. Look at his last Presidential stint, ended up with Congress being stormed. Please tell me who he has worked well with and not alienated?

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Fair comments.

But Harris remains the more destructive choice.

We can only hope Trump settles down and compromises where necessary.

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True, sadly he was the better choice than Harris, Biden and Clinton. I voted for him. He seems to be going down a very destructive path, more so even for him

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Yeah his administration certainly appears to be floundering lately.

But in fairness its due to the courts....the Dem delay game is working still again.

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Well, he is using provisions that are iffy in interpretations to supersede Congress. He has declared 8 National Emergencies. He is using Emergency Powers to do whatever he wants. That is going to end up in Court.

You may be concerned over the economy, but National Emergency? We have 4% unemployment and the largest GDP in the world.

The one I agree on is the border. He did a good job there.

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Agree again...Trump certainly is pushing his EO's into strange territories.

But with such narrow majorities in congress Trump has little choice.

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True. He will win some and lose some. But, I think that is the point. Establish the Emergency Powers more clearly. He is basically making them say NO.

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The elephant in the room everyone is ignoring, is the GOP Congress. They throw out statements about fixing the problems, from the border to entitlements to trade to the debt, but when they get the chance they never do.

Look at Lindsay Graham, for example. Such a cheerleader but never actually works to get anything passed.

Trump is using the tools he has, and mixed with a fluid public mood and Trump's habit of saying literally whatever is in his mind at the moment, and you get where we are

Some great ideas, some novel tactics, some absolutely evil political tricks by judges, and some poor follow through.

And we're just starting this term.

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Very true. Congress is a problem. They have abandoned their responsibilities. Use their position as a Financial Inside trading club and are only concerned with getting re-elected.

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Congress began withering away its power with FDR.

Then the process continued with Truman and Obama.

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It started long before FDR….

(The Republican Congress essentially let Lincoln run the country as an elected dictator during the war.)

But you are right that this trend has accelerated.

I don't think the Founding Fathers ever imagined that one branch of the government in their system would just give up and abrogate their power away.

And even more shocking that it's the branch that the Founding Fathers had the most respect for and the most hope in it representing the people and "driving the wagon" as it were of constitutional & democratic self government

---

Still battling through LBJ's biography. Now he is the Senate Majority Leader and has just survived his 1956 heart attack.

In earlier chapters the author goes into great detail how the Founding Fathers intentionally designed senatorial elections and senate chamber procedures to protect the the country from ithe mpulsive / ignorant masses.

As well as the members of the House and executive branch.

Such protections are now all gone.

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I assume they would be very much against the idea of cutting out the State legislatures from the election of Senators?

And making it direct popular elections (making Senators in essence super Representatives)

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We are all better off when Trump and Musk can work together on fixing government failures. This will hurt this administration if those two can't work together at all.

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That's true. Trump usually works well with others. Musk can be a bit of a problem when there are other strong personalities around, apparently.

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Who has Trump ever worked well with? Seriously? Who has he ever had a relationship that ended well? Great ideas, good starts, but EVERY endeavor ends in ruin. Usually with him claiming to be a victim.

USFL, Atlantic City, Trump "You Name It", etc...

The only place he had any success was reality TV where his job WAS to create drama.

Look at his last Cabinet. Look at his last Presidential stint, ended up with Congress being stormed. Please tell me who he has worked well with and not alienated?

---

Fair comments.

But Harris remains the more destructive choice.

We can only hope Trump settles down and compromises where necessary.

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True, sadly he was the better choice than Harris, Biden and Clinton. I voted for him. He seems to be going down a very destructive path, more so even for him

---

Yeah his administration certainly appears to be floundering lately.

But in fairness its due to the courts....the Dem delay game is working still again.

---

Well, he is using provisions that are iffy in interpretations to supersede Congress. He has declared 8 National Emergencies. He is using Emergency Powers to do whatever he wants. That is going to end up in Court.

You may be concerned over the economy, but National Emergency? We have 4% unemployment and the largest GDP in the world.

The one I agree on is the border. He did a good job there.

---

Agree again...Trump certainly is pushing his EO's into strange territories.

But with such narrow majorities in congress Trump has little choice.

---

True. He will win some and lose some. But, I think that is the point. Establish the Emergency Powers more clearly. He is basically making them say NO.

---

The elephant in the room everyone is ignoring, is the GOP Congress. They throw out statements about fixing the problems, from the border to entitlements to trade to the debt, but when they get the chance they never do.

Look at Lindsay Graham, for example. Such a cheerleader but never actually works to get anything passed.

Trump is using the tools he has, and mixed with a fluid public mood and Trump's habit of saying literally whatever is in his mind at the moment, and you get where we are

Some great ideas, some novel tactics, some absolutely evil political tricks by judges, and some poor follow through.

And we're just starting this term.

---

Very true. Congress is a problem. They have abandoned their responsibilities. Use their position as a Financial Inside trading club and are only concerned with getting re-elected.

---

Congress began withering away its power with FDR.

Then the process continued with Truman and Obama.

---

It started long before FDR….

(The Republican Congress essentially let Lincoln run the country as an elected dictator during the war.)

But you are right that this trend has accelerated.

I don't think the Founding Fathers ever imagined that one branch of the government in their system would just give up and abrogate their power away.

And even more shocking that it's the branch that the Founding Fathers had the most respect for and the most hope in it representing the people and "driving the wagon" as it were of constitutional & democratic self government

---

Still battling through LBJ's biography. Now he is the Senate Majority Leader and has just survived his 1956 heart attack.

In earlier chapters the author goes into great detail how the Founding Fathers intentionally designed senatorial elections and senate chamber procedures to protect the the country from ithe mpulsive / ignorant masses.

As well as the members of the House and executive branch.

Such protections are now all gone.

---

I assume they would be very much against the idea of cutting out the State legislatures from the election of Senators?

And making it direct popular elections (making Senators in essence super Representatives)

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Senators were orginally selected by state legislatures as the Founding fathers did not trust the intellingence of the electorate.

Despite the fact that to vote one had to be male and own real estate within their county.

Throughout most of American history the right to vote has expanded. Property ownership as a prerequisite (I don't think was always real estate) was reduced and eliminated then racial barriers. Women gained the vote before every other country except the UK.

We should remember that when the US was established almost no one on the planet had any voting rights. It was the US, the UK, and a couple other places in Europe. And in those other places, the restrictions on who could hire were much tighter. Context matters.

The Founding Fathers feared mob rule which is why they created a republic instead of a democracy which is mob rule.

Tanks are coming into DC for Trump's parade.

I'm actually not a fan of this. pic.twitter.com/vl5MKNadHx

— Texas Patriot (@Texasbrn) June 7, 2025

🚨BREAKING: Border Czar Tom Homan confirms the National Guard is being deployed to Los Angeles tonight, marking a major federal escalation in response to the immigration protests that have rocked the city all week.

Tensions are now officially at a boiling point. pic.twitter.com/gTfeke4Q8M

— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) June 7, 2025

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🚨BREAKING: Border Czar Tom Homan confirms the National Guard is being deployed to Los Angeles tonight, marking a major federal escalation in response to the immigration protests that have rocked the city all week.

Tensions are now officially at a boiling point. pic.twitter.com/gTfeke4Q8M

— Brian Allen (@allenanalysis) June 7, 2025

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The big cities in Cali have gone to crap.

That describes virtually the entire state. That's what fascist government has done gif many years. Same with New York, Illinois, Minnesota, Washington, & everywhere else righ one party rule by the hard bird brainless Leftists.

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That describes virtually the entire state. That's what fascist government has done gif many years. Same with New York, Illinois, Minnesota, Washington, & everywhere else righ one party rule by the hard bird brainless Leftists.

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The urban areas are not like LA or SF at all. There are some mighty good people in Cali that have been badly screwed by the likes of Gavin Newsom and the liberals

True. I think that's especially true gif some of the rural areas. No doubt there are wonderful people in the middle of urban sewers like LA, SanFran, Sacramento, San Diego, etc. They are victims too and we rarely hear their stories. They also seem to be a small minority based on election results over the past 30 years.

🇺🇸 Vice President JD Vance says Elon Musk made a "huge mistake" by going after President Trump. pic.twitter.com/lz1Nqjgofx

— Remarks (@remarks) June 7, 2025

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We are all better off when Trump and Musk can work together on fixing government failures. This will hurt this administration if those two can't work together at all.

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That's true. Trump usually works well with others. Musk can be a bit of a problem when there are other strong personalities around, apparently.

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Who has Trump ever worked well with? Seriously? Who has he ever had a relationship that ended well? Great ideas, good starts, but EVERY endeavor ends in ruin. Usually with him claiming to be a victim.

USFL, Atlantic City, Trump "You Name It", etc...

The only place he had any success was reality TV where his job WAS to create drama.

Look at his last Cabinet. Look at his last Presidential stint, ended up with Congress being stormed. Please tell me who he has worked well with and not alienated?

---

Fair comments.

But Harris remains the more destructive choice.

We can only hope Trump settles down and compromises where necessary.

---

True, sadly he was the better choice than Harris, Biden and Clinton. I voted for him. He seems to be going down a very destructive path, more so even for him

---

Yeah his administration certainly appears to be floundering lately.

But in fairness its due to the courts....the Dem delay game is working still again.

---

Well, he is using provisions that are iffy in interpretations to supersede Congress. He has declared 8 National Emergencies. He is using Emergency Powers to do whatever he wants. That is going to end up in Court.

You may be concerned over the economy, but National Emergency? We have 4% unemployment and the largest GDP in the world.

The one I agree on is the border. He did a good job there.

---

Agree again...Trump certainly is pushing his EO's into strange territories.

But with such narrow majorities in congress Trump has little choice.

---

True. He will win some and lose some. But, I think that is the point. Establish the Emergency Powers more clearly. He is basically making them say NO.

---

The elephant in the room everyone is ignoring, is the GOP Congress. They throw out statements about fixing the problems, from the border to entitlements to trade to the debt, but when they get the chance they never do.

Look at Lindsay Graham, for example. Such a cheerleader but never actually works to get anything passed.

Trump is using the tools he has, and mixed with a fluid public mood and Trump's habit of saying literally whatever is in his mind at the moment, and you get where we are

Some great ideas, some novel tactics, some absolutely evil political tricks by judges, and some poor follow through.

And we're just starting this term.

---

Very true. Congress is a problem. They have abandoned their responsibilities. Use their position as a Financial Inside trading club and are only concerned with getting re-elected.

---

Congress began withering away its power with FDR.

Then the process continued with Truman and Obama.

---

It started long before FDR….

(The Republican Congress essentially let Lincoln run the country as an elected dictator during the war.)

But you are right that this trend has accelerated.

I don't think the Founding Fathers ever imagined that one branch of the government in their system would just give up and abrogate their power away.

And even more shocking that it's the branch that the Founding Fathers had the most respect for and the most hope in it representing the people and "driving the wagon" as it were of constitutional & democratic self government

---

Still battling through LBJ's biography. Now he is the Senate Majority Leader and has just survived his 1956 heart attack.

In earlier chapters the author goes into great detail how the Founding Fathers intentionally designed senatorial elections and senate chamber procedures to protect the the country from ithe mpulsive / ignorant masses.

As well as the members of the House and executive branch.

Such protections are now all gone.

---

I assume they would be very much against the idea of cutting out the State legislatures from the election of Senators?

And making it direct popular elections (making Senators in essence super Representatives)

---

Senators were orginally selected by state legislatures as the Founding fathers did not trust the intellingence of the electorate.

Despite the fact that to vote one had to be male and own real estate within their county.

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Wow...even despite the fact.

The Founding Fathers did not trust the 'passions' of the masses.

Especially those without the intelligence and discipline to acquire property.

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That describes virtually the entire state. That's what fascist government has done gif many years. Same with New York, Illinois, Minnesota, Washington, & everywhere else righ one party rule by the hard bird brainless Leftists.

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The urban areas are not like LA or SF at all. There are some mighty good people in Cali that have been badly screwed by the likes of Gavin Newsom and the liberals

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There are some beautiful and nice areas to live, especially north of LA and south of Saf Fran.