KaiBear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BREAKING - WHITE HOUSE: TRUMP, HEGSETH TO MAKE SHIPBUILDING ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) December 22, 2025

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I got an officer buddy in the navy, he mentioned a couple months ago that they were ramping up production for the ship building

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This is an idiotic decision. We need to fight tomorrow's war not yesterdays.

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I think they're prepping for a potential conflict with China over Taiwan.

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No doubt.

However regardless of the quality of our Navy...the American people will not fight and possibly die for a country on the other side of the world.

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Just suppose there was a terrorist incident where the PRC appeared to have planned and organized it.

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" Will be impressed if they have a new design that can withstand China's drones and super-sonic ICBMs."

Last I checked, all ICBMs are supersonic.

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Fair enough - what is the new missile it has ... maybe it is hypersonic. Regardless, not sure an other big carrier makes sense.

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KaiBear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING - WHITE HOUSE: TRUMP, HEGSETH TO MAKE SHIPBUILDING ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) December 22, 2025

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I got an officer buddy in the navy, he mentioned a couple months ago that they were ramping up production for the ship building

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This is an idiotic decision. We need to fight tomorrow's war not yesterdays.

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I think they're prepping for a potential conflict with China over Taiwan.

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No doubt.

However regardless of the quality of our Navy...the American people will not fight and possibly die for a country on the other side of the world.

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Just suppose there was a terrorist incident where the PRC appeared to have planned and organized it.

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Our country will never again support any war in Asia .

KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING - WHITE HOUSE: TRUMP, HEGSETH TO MAKE SHIPBUILDING ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY

— Insider Paper (@TheInsiderPaper) December 22, 2025

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I got an officer buddy in the navy, he mentioned a couple months ago that they were ramping up production for the ship building

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This is an idiotic decision. We need to fight tomorrow's war not yesterdays.

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I think they're prepping for a potential conflict with China over Taiwan.

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No doubt.

However regardless of the quality of our Navy...the American people will not fight and possibly die for a country on the other side of the world.

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Just suppose there was a terrorist incident where the PRC appeared to have planned and organized it.

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Our country will never again support any war in Asia .

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Few things are as ironic as an American saying 'never forget'.

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Will be impressed if they have a new design that can withstand China's drones and super-sonic ICBMs."

Last I checked, all ICBMs are supersonic.

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Fair enough - what is the new missile it has ... maybe it is hypersonic. Regardless, not sure an other big carrier makes sense.

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depends on what it does besides the obvious.

Carriers are force projection, which drones/missiles cannot accomplish.

It's also important that new carriers do more than the older classes.

Anyway, a new carrier makes more sense than, say, the F-35 or DEI.

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I'm sorry, what??

JD Vance: "Kamala Harris opened the border and destroyed the economy. The Trump administration gave you net negative migration and much more job creation." pic.twitter.com/vl9Paq89qS

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) December 21, 2025

The US economy is in a hiring recession.

Almost no jobs have been added since April.
Wage gains are slowing.
710,000 more people are unemployed now versus November 2024.

November +64,000 jobs
October -105,000 (impacted by shutdown)
September +108,000
August -26,000
July… pic.twitter.com/ULtXWyjTzk

— Heather Long (@byHeatherLong) December 16, 2025

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Wait for it, the lecture on why she is wrong. It is coming. We will see new Math... I would bet early Monday...
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so "Generic Youth Minister"!

Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Will be impressed if they have a new design that can withstand China's drones and super-sonic ICBMs."

Last I checked, all ICBMs are supersonic.

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Fair enough - what is the new missile it has ... maybe it is hypersonic. Regardless, not sure an other big carrier makes sense.

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depends on what it does besides the obvious.

Carriers are force projection, which drones/missiles cannot accomplish.

It's also important that new carriers do more than the older classes.

Anyway, a new carrier makes more sense than, say, the F-35 or DEI.

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I'm definitely not an expert, but afraid China takes out all our carriers in a couple of days with those hypersonic missiles or massive drone attacks. Hope I'm wrong.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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I'm sorry, what??

JD Vance: "Kamala Harris opened the border and destroyed the economy. The Trump administration gave you net negative migration and much more job creation." pic.twitter.com/vl9Paq89qS

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) December 21, 2025

The US economy is in a hiring recession.

Almost no jobs have been added since April.
Wage gains are slowing.
710,000 more people are unemployed now versus November 2024.

November +64,000 jobs
October -105,000 (impacted by shutdown)
September +108,000
August -26,000
July… pic.twitter.com/ULtXWyjTzk

— Heather Long (@byHeatherLong) December 16, 2025

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Wait for it, the lecture on why she is wrong. It is coming. We will see new Math... I would bet early Monday...
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Would this be like the time recession was redefined during Oatmeal Brain's administration? I am old enough to remember that.

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Geez, recession is two quarters of no growth or contraction of GDP. That is the definition that has been used for generations in political analysis. The redefining is stupid.

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No kidding.

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we agree...

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Will be impressed if they have a new design that can withstand China's drones and super-sonic ICBMs."

Last I checked, all ICBMs are supersonic.

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Fair enough - what is the new missile it has ... maybe it is hypersonic. Regardless, not sure an other big carrier makes sense.

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depends on what it does besides the obvious.

Carriers are force projection, which drones/missiles cannot accomplish.

It's also important that new carriers do more than the older classes.

Anyway, a new carrier makes more sense than, say, the F-35 or DEI.

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I'm definitely not an expert, but afraid China takes out all our carriers in a couple of days with those hypersonic missiles or massive drone attacks. Hope I'm wrong.

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I can't go into the details, but China is not in a place to 'take out' our carriers unless our officers all get really stupid at the same time.

Also, China has some really important reasons not to get into a serious war with the US. Not that we want any major war ourselves. The power dynamics are weird in that they strongly favor the big nation that can stay out of a war the other major powers get into.

It's easy to get into a big war. Really really hard to end one, even if you are stronger and ready for it.

He's definitely getting his name out there...

New Class of Warship to Be Named After President Trump — WSJ

— NewsWire (@NewsWire_US) December 22, 2025

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He's definitely getting his name out there...

New Class of Warship to Be Named After President Trump — WSJ

— NewsWire (@NewsWire_US) December 22, 2025

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The USS Donald J Trump, Tariff-class meme launcher

Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Will be impressed if they have a new design that can withstand China's drones and super-sonic ICBMs."

Last I checked, all ICBMs are supersonic.

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Fair enough - what is the new missile it has ... maybe it is hypersonic. Regardless, not sure an other big carrier makes sense.

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depends on what it does besides the obvious.

Carriers are force projection, which drones/missiles cannot accomplish.

It's also important that new carriers do more than the older classes.

Anyway, a new carrier makes more sense than, say, the F-35 or DEI.

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I'm definitely not an expert, but afraid China takes out all our carriers in a couple of days with those hypersonic missiles or massive drone attacks. Hope I'm wrong.

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I can't go into the details, but China is not in a place to 'take out' our carriers unless our officers all get really stupid at the same time.

Also, China has some really important reasons not to get into a serious war with the US. Not that we want any major war ourselves. The power dynamics are weird in that they strongly favor the big nation that can stay out of a war the other major powers get into.

It's easy to get into a big war. Really really hard to end one, even if you are stronger and ready for it.

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I certainly hope you're correct. The Pentagon seems to disagree: https://interestingengineering.com/military/how-china-would-use-its-hypersonic-arsenal

Greenland is a part of Denmark - a friendly ally of ours - and we have had an airbase in Greenland for over 60 years.

Trump: We need Greenland for national security. We have to have it. pic.twitter.com/1J7LY3Qlwj

— Acyn (@Acyn) December 22, 2025

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Will be impressed if they have a new design that can withstand China's drones and super-sonic ICBMs."

Last I checked, all ICBMs are supersonic.

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Fair enough - what is the new missile it has ... maybe it is hypersonic. Regardless, not sure an other big carrier makes sense.

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depends on what it does besides the obvious.

Carriers are force projection, which drones/missiles cannot accomplish.

It's also important that new carriers do more than the older classes.

Anyway, a new carrier makes more sense than, say, the F-35 or DEI.

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I'm definitely not an expert, but afraid China takes out all our carriers in a couple of days with those hypersonic missiles or massive drone attacks. Hope I'm wrong.

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I can't go into the details, but China is not in a place to 'take out' our carriers unless our officers all get really stupid at the same time.

Also, China has some really important reasons not to get into a serious war with the US. Not that we want any major war ourselves. The power dynamics are weird in that they strongly favor the big nation that can stay out of a war the other major powers get into.

It's easy to get into a big war. Really really hard to end one, even if you are stronger and ready for it.

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I certainly hope you're correct. The Pentagon seems to disagree: https://interestingengineering.com/military/how-china-would-use-its-hypersonic-arsenal

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The Pentagon sees everything as a threat, in order to justify never-ending budget increases.

"And then I said..Drain the Swamp!"

“It’s been kind of gob smacking.” Kash Patel now using your tax dollars to buy a fleet of armored luxury BMW’s to ride around in. pic.twitter.com/9xf0LuluyQ

— Mike Sington (@MikeSington) December 22, 2025

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Will be impressed if they have a new design that can withstand China's drones and super-sonic ICBMs."

Last I checked, all ICBMs are supersonic.

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Fair enough - what is the new missile it has ... maybe it is hypersonic. Regardless, not sure an other big carrier makes sense.

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depends on what it does besides the obvious.

Carriers are force projection, which drones/missiles cannot accomplish.

It's also important that new carriers do more than the older classes.

Anyway, a new carrier makes more sense than, say, the F-35 or DEI.

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I'm definitely not an expert, but afraid China takes out all our carriers in a couple of days with those hypersonic missiles or massive drone attacks. Hope I'm wrong.

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Carriers are hopelessly obsolete.

Easy to detect, a floating mega explosion loaded with jet fuel and bombs.

Multi billion dollar target for cheap drones and missiles.

And each CV is manned by approx 5000 sailors.




Unfortunately we are still fighting and planning for WW2 sea battles.

Even with the recent example of the Russians losing several warships in their Black Sea fleet to Ukranian drones.

KaiBear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Will be impressed if they have a new design that can withstand China's drones and super-sonic ICBMs."

Last I checked, all ICBMs are supersonic.

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Fair enough - what is the new missile it has ... maybe it is hypersonic. Regardless, not sure an other big carrier makes sense.

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depends on what it does besides the obvious.

Carriers are force projection, which drones/missiles cannot accomplish.

It's also important that new carriers do more than the older classes.

Anyway, a new carrier makes more sense than, say, the F-35 or DEI.

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I'm definitely not an expert, but afraid China takes out all our carriers in a couple of days with those hypersonic missiles or massive drone attacks. Hope I'm wrong.

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Carriers are hopelessly obsolete.

Easy to detect, a floating mega explosion loaded with jet fuel and bombs.

Multi billion dollar target for cheap drones and missiles.

And each CV is manned by approx 5000 sailors.




Unfortunately we are still fighting and planning for WW2 sea battles.

Even with the recent example of the Russians losing several warships in their Black Sea fleet to Ukranian drones.

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Serious question, if you don't use carriers what would you use for force projection over a period of weeks in an area, say of a thousand square miles?