He said "turning INTO" not "turning ON" which means becoming like. That makes some sense perhaps and is positive instead of negative (except to TDSers).

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" different and principled"

Uh huh.

Like the Bushes, Romney, McCain?

You seem to prefer a polite gentleman who loses to evil over and over, because you think he's got cleaner hands.

I prefer someone who does what he promises, and listens to the people.

Trump is not perfect and he's certainly not classy.

But he's serious about border security, cleaning up elections, and protecting American interests.

If you get mad on style points, seriously, you are planning on celebrating losses to really bad guys.

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Good grief…I prefer someone who does what he promises, and listens to the people. Did you actually type that with a straight face?

This has nothing to do with style. I keep hearing "that's just Trump being Trump," as if the objection is that he's rude, impolite, or not presidential enough. That's your projection of what you think drives the criticism.

This is about whether one applies the same standards to their side as they do to the other. If corruption, self-dealing, abuse of power, or unethical conduct are wrong, they're wrong regardless of who commits them. Supporting policies we like doesn't exempt anyone from accountability. And that doesn't even broach some of the policy fiascos that have occurred.

What is of further concern is that we're reducing politics to a win at all costs game. This has been a tactic and criticism of the left for decades, and now we're going right into the gutter with them…willingly and with blind allegiance.

It's become sad what some are willing to justify or ignore if a leader delivers on a few priorities we support. Apologies if I thought we could be above that and apply the same standards we'd condemn others of. We've compromised our principles for the rationalization of political expediency, and I'm not really sure if there are any boundaries on what can be rationalized.

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Idk

It's a hell of a lot better than mutiliated kids, and cross dressing dudes on the White House lawn

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That is the alternative in your world?

There is no middle ground? No, maybe we don't mutilate kids or have a reality TV show at the White House?

Maybe act like a real Government?

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How about a pole dancing exhibition

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Didnt we try that at DOJ and HSA?

You walked into that one.

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Homeland Security?
Help me with pole dancing at DOJ& HSA

So let's talk about standards.

How are the Democrats trustworthy in any major policy?

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So let's talk about standards.

How are the Democrats trustworthy in any major policy?

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Reductionist and binary.

Democrats can suck (which they do) and most things coming out of this administration can be absurd, unnecessary and not in the best interest of the country at large.

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Oldbear83 said:

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So let's talk about standards.

How are the Democrats trustworthy in any major policy?

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Reductionist and binary.

Democrats can suck (which they do) and most things coming out of this administration can be absurd, unnecessary and not in the best interest of the country at large.

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I get it. You are hellbent on having your tantrum.

But here's the thing. Trump is the duly-elected President of the United States. As such he is fully empowered to act with the authority of that office, especially as Commander-in-Chief.

You can either support him while we are at war, or you de facto are in opposition to the United States.

But we both know you will just throw insults and spite, since that is all you really want to do here.

Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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So let's talk about standards.

How are the Democrats trustworthy in any major policy?

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Reductionist and binary.

Democrats can suck (which they do) and most things coming out of this administration can be absurd, unnecessary and not in the best interest of the country at large.

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I get it. You are hellbent on having your tantrum.

But here's the thing. Trump is the duly-elected President of the United States. As such he is fully empowered to act with the authority of that office, especially as Commander-in-Chief.

You can either support him while we are at war, or you de facto are in opposition to the United States.

But we both know you will just throw insults and spite, since that is all you really want to do here.

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Please point out my tantrum. After that you can support anything else in your diatribe or what we have actually accomplished for $100+ billion in this conflict and 14 American lives.

Your tantrum is ongoing. Reread your last post to see it again.

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Your tantrum is ongoing. Reread your last post to see it again.

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Your schtick is bad and you should feel bad.

For someone who claims to not be a die hard MAGA person, you continually get uber defensive any time the administration's narrative is threatened.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Your tantrum is ongoing. Reread your last post to see it again.

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Your schtick is bad and you should feel bad.

For someone who claims to not be a die hard MAGA person, you continually get uber defensive any time the administration's narrative is threatened.

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You are sticking with your script, I see.

But the fact remains, that whether or not you like or respect the President, we are in a war and you are either on the American side he leads, or you oppose it.

And I'm not at all "defensive", I'd suggest that you are unhappy to have inconvenient facts in your way when you are having a good rant.

Almost two and half more years before he's out of office, yet I imagine you will stay on tantrum-mode all the way.

That's not my anger issue, sir, but your own.

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Your tantrum is ongoing. Reread your last post to see it again.

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Your schtick is bad and you should feel bad.

For someone who claims to not be a die hard MAGA person, you continually get uber defensive any time the administration's narrative is threatened.

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You are sticking with your script, I see.

But the fact remains, that whether or not you like or respect the President, we are in a war and you are either on the American side he leads, or you oppose it.

And I'm not all "defensive", I'd suggest that you are unhappy to have inconvenient facts in your way when you are having a good rant.

Almost two and half more years before he's out of office, yet I imagine you will stay on tantrum-mode all the way.

That's not my anger issue, sir, but your own.

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Again. Point out the tantrum. A difference of opinion is not a tantrum. Yet you double down on the binary construct once again. Where have I "ranted"? You cannot respond because I haven't. But once again your your rather throw out conjecture and accusations be side you cannot actually substantively defend anything going on in Iran.

Saying "we are at war" is such a low bar and a meaningless metric for support for our troops. We were at "war" in Afghanistan and Iraq. I had friends come home wounded or changed forever. Bless God every one of my friends at least came home. Not everyone was that lucky.

It's ok to admit you cannot fathom a critical thought of the president.

Add something substantive in response to anything said. Otherwise you're just noise.

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Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Your tantrum is ongoing. Reread your last post to see it again.

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Your schtick is bad and you should feel bad.

For someone who claims to not be a die hard MAGA person, you continually get uber defensive any time the administration's narrative is threatened.

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You are sticking with your script, I see.

But the fact remains, that whether or not you like or respect the President, we are in a war and you are either on the American side he leads, or you oppose it.

And I'm not all "defensive", I'd suggest that you are unhappy to have inconvenient facts in your way when you are having a good rant.

Almost two and half more years before he's out of office, yet I imagine you will stay on tantrum-mode all the way.

That's not my anger issue, sir, but your own.

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Again. Point out the tantrum. A difference of opinion is not a tantrum. Yet you double down on the binary construct once again. Where have I "ranted"? You cannot respond because I haven't. But once again your your rather throw out conjecture and accusations be side you cannot actually substantively defend anything going on in Iran.

Saying "we are at war" is such a low bar and a meaningless metric for support for our troops. We were at "war" in Afghanistan and Iraq. I had friends come home wounded or changed forever. Bless God every one of my friends at least came home. Not everyone was that lucky.

It's ok to admit you cannot fathom a critical thought of the president.

Add something substantive in response to anything said. Otherwise you're just noise.

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Ah. You ignore my point, toss off a vapid attempt to deflect along with an emotional jibe to pretend you have the moral high ground instead of the mud you lie in, and think you can claim I am the one who is "just noise".

The fact here is that our war is real, our losses considerably better managed than the malignants are willing to admit, and all the wailing worries from the defeatists have proven wrong.

We did not invade with ground troops.

We are not trying to occupy Iran.

We are not ignoring the other nations of the region, but working with them. You may have missed Pakistan's efforts in the negotiations, by the way, and their support of the US position.

You despise the President, so for you all lies and callow hypocrisy are allowed.

You have forfeited the debate, sir.

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Your tantrum is ongoing. Reread your last post to see it again.

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Your schtick is bad and you should feel bad.

For someone who claims to not be a die hard MAGA person, you continually get uber defensive any time the administration's narrative is threatened.

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You are sticking with your script, I see.

But the fact remains, that whether or not you like or respect the President, we are in a war and you are either on the American side he leads, or you oppose it.

And I'm not all "defensive", I'd suggest that you are unhappy to have inconvenient facts in your way when you are having a good rant.

Almost two and half more years before he's out of office, yet I imagine you will stay on tantrum-mode all the way.

That's not my anger issue, sir, but your own.

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Again. Point out the tantrum. A difference of opinion is not a tantrum. Yet you double down on the binary construct once again. Where have I "ranted"? You cannot respond because I haven't. But once again your your rather throw out conjecture and accusations be side you cannot actually substantively defend anything going on in Iran.

Saying "we are at war" is such a low bar and a meaningless metric for support for our troops. We were at "war" in Afghanistan and Iraq. I had friends come home wounded or changed forever. Bless God every one of my friends at least came home. Not everyone was that lucky.

It's ok to admit you cannot fathom a critical thought of the president.

Add something substantive in response to anything said. Otherwise you're just noise.

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Ah. You ignore my point, toss off a vapid attempt to deflect along with an emotional jibe to pretend you have the moral high ground instead of the mud you lie in, and think you can claim I am the one who is "just noise".

The fact here is that our war is real, our losses considerably better managed than the malignants are willing to admit, and all the wailing worries from the defeatists have proven wrong.

We did not invade with ground troops.

We are not trying to occupy Iran.

We are not ignoring the other nations of the region, but working with them. You may have missed Pakistan's efforts in the negotiations, by the way, and their support of the US position.

You despise the President, so for you all lies and callow hypocrisy are allowed.

You have forfeited the debate, sir.

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So still nothing substantive. Got it.

Remember my original response was to your Democrat whataboutism. You wrapped yourself in the troop flag to try and claim the moral high ground.

You already abandoned the actual debate, remember?

But no worries, your hater buddies will make sure to cheer you for blaming Trump for whatever happens. So much easier for you guys when you can just ignore whatever gets in the way of your tantrum.

The adults already see your moral cowardice, too late now to pretend you are on topic now.

Oldbear83 said:

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You already abandoned the actual debate, remember?

But no worries, your hater buddies will make sure to cheer you for blaming Trump for whatever happens. So much easier for you guys when you can just ignore whatever gets in the way of your tantrum.

The adults already see your moral cowardice, too late now to pretend you are on topic now.

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Show the tantrum. Only one of us keeps repeating the same thing ad nauseam.

What did we accomplish with this three month + lark in Iran? This should be so easy given your unflinching support of the action.

And again, my original response to you was calling out your deflection to "but the democrats!".

boognish_bear said:

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The $TRUMP meme coin generated about $616 million for the Trump family, while buyers lost more than $700 million, according to Reuters' estimates. The coin has tumbled 97% from its January 2025 peak https://t.co/D6RjrGkMnV @specialreports pic.twitter.com/dKKIFZZWUI

— Reuters (@Reuters) June 14, 2026

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Most of the time this happens, these numbers, we call it a scam. Many of the early coins even, were scams. No intention of giving the coin long term value, just cashing out on hype.

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Oldbear83 said:

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You already abandoned the actual debate, remember?

But no worries, your hater buddies will make sure to cheer you for blaming Trump for whatever happens. So much easier for you guys when you can just ignore whatever gets in the way of your tantrum.

The adults already see your moral cowardice, too late now to pretend you are on topic now.

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Show the tantrum. Only one of us keeps repeating the same thing ad nauseam.

What did we accomplish with this three month + lark in Iran? This should be so easy given your unflinching support of the action.

And again, my original response to you was calling out your deflection to "but the democrats!".

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The tantrum shows up in every one of your angry ejaculations.

Now as to the results of the war, I would explain them, except that you have shown no awareness of anything but what noisy insult you think best to throw, ignoring all the men involved in the planning and execution of the fight.

Show me you are serious about understanding the conflict, and we may talk. Continue to do no better than insult and bray about your political opinion, and I shall not waste my time with you.

Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You already abandoned the actual debate, remember?

But no worries, your hater buddies will make sure to cheer you for blaming Trump for whatever happens. So much easier for you guys when you can just ignore whatever gets in the way of your tantrum.

The adults already see your moral cowardice, too late now to pretend you are on topic now.

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Show the tantrum. Only one of us keeps repeating the same thing ad nauseam.

What did we accomplish with this three month + lark in Iran? This should be so easy given your unflinching support of the action.

And again, my original response to you was calling out your deflection to "but the democrats!".

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The tantrum shows up in every one of your angry ejaculations.

Now as to the results of the war, I would explain them, except that you have shown no awareness of anything but what noisy insult you think best to throw, ignoring all the men involved in the planning and execution of the fight.

Show me you are serious about understanding the conflict, and we may talk. Continue to do no better than insult and bray about your political opinion, and I shall not waste my time with you.

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You're really good at typing the same script over and over again. You're welcome to try and engage substantively if you like. If not, we can agree to disagree, I've done it with others here regularly and recently. Conclusory statements and baseless conjecture do not an argument make.

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Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You already abandoned the actual debate, remember?

But no worries, your hater buddies will make sure to cheer you for blaming Trump for whatever happens. So much easier for you guys when you can just ignore whatever gets in the way of your tantrum.

The adults already see your moral cowardice, too late now to pretend you are on topic now.

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Show the tantrum. Only one of us keeps repeating the same thing ad nauseam.

What did we accomplish with this three month + lark in Iran? This should be so easy given your unflinching support of the action.

And again, my original response to you was calling out your deflection to "but the democrats!".

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The tantrum shows up in every one of your angry ejaculations.

Now as to the results of the war, I would explain them, except that you have shown no awareness of anything but what noisy insult you think best to throw, ignoring all the men involved in the planning and execution of the fight.

Show me you are serious about understanding the conflict, and we may talk. Continue to do no better than insult and bray about your political opinion, and I shall not waste my time with you.

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You're really good at typing the same script over and over again. You're welcome to try and engage substantively if you like. If not, we can agree to disagree, I've done it with others here regularly and recently. Conclusory statements and baseless conjecture do not an argument make.

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As expected, you are not serious.

But just to provoke a thought, why did Iran pivot from their Russia alliance to China? There's a lot going on that never gets talked about.

Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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303Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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You already abandoned the actual debate, remember?

But no worries, your hater buddies will make sure to cheer you for blaming Trump for whatever happens. So much easier for you guys when you can just ignore whatever gets in the way of your tantrum.

The adults already see your moral cowardice, too late now to pretend you are on topic now.

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Show the tantrum. Only one of us keeps repeating the same thing ad nauseam.

What did we accomplish with this three month + lark in Iran? This should be so easy given your unflinching support of the action.

And again, my original response to you was calling out your deflection to "but the democrats!".

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The tantrum shows up in every one of your angry ejaculations.

Now as to the results of the war, I would explain them, except that you have shown no awareness of anything but what noisy insult you think best to throw, ignoring all the men involved in the planning and execution of the fight.

Show me you are serious about understanding the conflict, and we may talk. Continue to do no better than insult and bray about your political opinion, and I shall not waste my time with you.

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You're really good at typing the same script over and over again. You're welcome to try and engage substantively if you like. If not, we can agree to disagree, I've done it with others here regularly and recently. Conclusory statements and baseless conjecture do not an argument make.

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As expected, you are not serious.

But just to provoke a thought, why did Iran p[ivot from their Russia alliance to China? There's a lot going on that never gets talked about.

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What evidence do you have to suggest they have pivoted from any alliance?

Russia is too embroiled in the Ukrainian conflict to provide any meaningful help, and was/has been largely a recipient of Iranian drones to help its war effort. Russian proxies(e.g., Wagner) have largely been decimated by the Ukrainian war and / or remain spread across the Middle East and Africa doing the kind of contract work they are actually decent at.

China isn't going to involve itself directly in a middle eastern conflict i less and until its oil reserves begin to take a material hit. Even then, they will use economic power long before they would resort to anything resembling a shooting war with the US currently. They have continued to, and will keep on, buying as much Iranian oil as they can.

So again, what did we accomplish over the last 3+ months?

Hard to argue with this. Had no idea that we were subsidizing so many countries

America sends money to 177 out of 193 recognized countries.

Thats 91.7% of the world.

We are $39 TRILLION in debt and have our own issues that need to be fixed here at home.

We shouldn’t send a single penny to other countries. https://t.co/wBilAqMO8O pic.twitter.com/mdQADNAkRO

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) June 15, 2026

Thanks again for proving you do not understand the terrain, nor wish to.

Have a pleasant night.

"[Trump] doesn't wear it on his sleeve, but he is a person of faith."

Vice President Vance tells @seanhannity that President Trump recognizes that many of the people who helped him get to the White House are Christians, deepening his connection to the faith. pic.twitter.com/df8N5if1u1

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 16, 2026

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So let's talk about standards.

How are the Democrats trustworthy in any major policy?

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Never said or implied that. I'm lamenting the sad descent to mimic them in that manner.

But I'm not shocked at the same whataboutism effort to deflect.

Vice President Vance fires back at Obama for claiming the new Iran deal is basically the same as the JCPOA.

Vance then asked Obama one question that completely destroyed his entire argument.

VANCE: “I’d ask the president, the former president, I’d say Obama, why in the world if… pic.twitter.com/bOKrGn56kE

— Overton (@overton_news) June 16, 2026

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Vice President Vance fires back at Obama for claiming the new Iran deal is basically the same as the JCPOA.

Vance then asked Obama one question that completely destroyed his entire argument.

VANCE: “I’d ask the president, the former president, I’d say Obama, why in the world if… pic.twitter.com/bOKrGn56kE

— Overton (@overton_news) June 16, 2026

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Hey, bearded wonder. It is a far, far, far worst deal than the JCOP. Not even close. Don't pass that chit off on anyone other than Old Bitter, Tinnie, Teacher-man as they will buy. Any of you Maggots who say otherwise will not be taken seriously.

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Oldbear83 said:

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So let's talk about standards.

How are the Democrats trustworthy in any major policy?

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Never said or implied that. I'm lamenting the sad descent to mimic them in that manner.

But I'm not shocked at the same whataboutism effort to deflect.

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I've been told by him that pointing out such things is having a tantrum and that noticing it at all is proof I hate the president. Apparently anything short of uncritical critical support of every decision the admin makes is TDS now.

Oldbear83 said:

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Thanks again for proving you do not understand the terrain, nor wish to.

Have a pleasant night.

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You're consistent at least, I'll give you that.

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Hard to argue with this. Had no idea that we were subsidizing so many countries

America sends money to 177 out of 193 recognized countries.

Thats 91.7% of the world.

We are $39 TRILLION in debt and have our own issues that need to be fixed here at home.

We shouldn’t send a single penny to other countries. https://t.co/wBilAqMO8O pic.twitter.com/mdQADNAkRO

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) June 15, 2026

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Well add Iran to the list thanks to Trump.

Bestweekeverr said:

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Assassin said:

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Hard to argue with this. Had no idea that we were subsidizing so many countries

America sends money to 177 out of 193 recognized countries.

Thats 91.7% of the world.

We are $39 TRILLION in debt and have our own issues that need to be fixed here at home.

We shouldn’t send a single penny to other countries. https://t.co/wBilAqMO8O pic.twitter.com/mdQADNAkRO

— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) June 15, 2026

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Well add Iran to the list thanks to Trump.

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42 billion of that went to Elon and his companies. Elon is part of the problem.

Trump takes on the FAKE news again...

🚨 JUST IN: President Trump announces he's going to hold a press conference and personally READ EVERY WORD of the Iran deal to force the fake news into covering it accurately

GREAT IDEA 👏🏻

"I will actually not only release it. I'll probably have a press conference and read it… pic.twitter.com/wSWBpyzMuJ

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) June 16, 2026

I'll bet 20,000 we never see these 2,000 checks...

🚨 BREAKING: In a stunning announcement, President Donald Trump declared he's going to give out the $2,000 tariff dividend check to middle-class Americans WITHOUT Congress.

Trump stated: "$2,000 dividend and 'pay down debt'... We can make a payment to the people WITHOUT Congress pic.twitter.com/fDFQgQyICq

— WWG1WGA 🇺🇸♥️ (@WWG1WGA301) June 16, 2026