nein51 said:
whiterock said:
muddybrazos said:
Trump is really shooting himself in the foot left and right lately. W- e dont need or want H1b indians or other foreigners to replace our own people in the workforce.
only to the degree his messaging isn't good enough to offset all the spin.
There are so many skills we've lost on the production side. Tim Cook said it....the reason Apple makes so much in China is that there is not the skill base in the USA to make them right now. (meaning, it will take time to train up the people needed to run the lines.). Trump has said the same thing, just less articulately.
(that is not to say the H1 visa isn't massively abused by corporations....)
Hey we found the guy that believes Americans are too stupid to run a production line that is almost 100% controlled by robotics.
Hey, we've got a guy who thinks a software tech knows about nuts & bolts and concrete & steel and accounting and warehouse management software and electrial panels, etc....
Have you been inside a factory…ever?
LOL I work for a manufacturer.
If Americans are too stupid for production line work then we might as well go ahead and nuke ourselves
I spent a day grouse hunting many years ago with a guy who worked for the Minnesota Star Tribune, in their production department, maintaining their (at the time very new, cutting edge) printing machines. He was apparently very good at it. Had been doing it his whole career and had seen it all...different machines, the rise of new tech, patches & new systems, etc. VERY well paid. They farmed him out over the world, helping install and troubleshoot large printing press operations. And the more machines he fixed, the better he got at it. He's the poster child for H1b - a person with unique skills, or at least skills some companies might not have and cannot easily find. Or perhaps the skilled Italian guy who knows everything about a particular piece of Italian pasta making equipment and is the go-to resource whenever that equipment gets installed anywhere in the world.
My largest customer is in the final stages of transitioning to a completely robotic warehouse. Their biggest problem? No one in their industry has ever done it before. So the manufacturer techs doing the install are having to figure out patches on systems and software they've never encountered before, for operations they've never supported before. There is no one anywhere who's ever done it. So it's OJT. If only there was a guy somewhere in India or Switzerland or somewhere who was "the dude" who knew exactly how to do it. But there isn't. So they'll move 41k skus in a single shift and think they've turned the corner......and add 50 more pallet positions to the hive. Then lights start flickering all across the screen. The addition somehow reset or prompted error messages on a whole bunch of stuff that'd already been trouble-shot to death. So they're down for hours resetting everything. A few days later, another record high shift. So they add more pallet positions. And get more blinking lights. And shelves get thin, in some cases empty. Lost sales. Rinse & repeat for weeks. They're finally mostly done. Only now, it's the humans who are the choke point. They can only enter arriving goods into the system at about half the rate required. So while they're working on that, they are putting full pallets of goods out to the retail locations since they don't need to be picked and can just bypass the hive until they...and on and on....
Not all H1b requirements are so specialized. Sometimes, it's just inadequate supply. That's a problem, too. The way to fix the H1b abuse is not to cut it off. It's to tax it. The more it costs, the more it incentivizes the building of domestic capacity.
