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The film seems to be doing well.


Oh well, you can certainly find something else about Trump to hate.

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I am sure your 5 times seeing it was appreciated by Donald. Your cult membership is secure.

Maybe there is some group if refuges or puppies you and Miller can abuse?

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Sorry but your assumptions are wrong yet again.

Didn't watch this one, in fact haven't been to a cinema in over a decade. I just made a jest regarding yours and others projections, which of course continue on and on.

And no, I am not in any cult. Your TDS group seems more like that, come to think of it.

And while 'abusing puppies' may be your speed, I am more SPCA and Humane Society. Just paid to have a stray cat spayed, as a matter of fact.

But again, your compulsion to hate the current President, his family, and everything going right that you want to ignore seems to occupy every bit of your attention, so maybe it's too much to suggest you step back and avoid your assumptions this time.

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Message received. I apologize for my assumptions

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Thanks FLBear. You brought up some interesting thoughts regarding the 2026 and 2028 elections, which I will address once I attend to a few home maintenance issues.

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Good morning all.

Don't want to derail the thread, but I'd like to remind the room that midterm elections are very different from presidential-year elections. Also, for what it's worth Trump will not be on the ballot in either 2026 or 2028, but he will be the focus of a lot of noise.

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They are different and he will not technically be on the ballot, true. But, midterms are a referendum on sitting Presidents. How and what he does will impact Congress and the Senate. Most Presidents normally lose seats during midterms, this President has not only had numerous actions that have been heavy, but the Epstein impact is there.

Elections are not logical. ICE, DOGE and Epstein are going to be big elephants in the room for the electorate outside of the President's base.

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Elections usually do follow a logic, or at least there is an explanation after the fact to explain outcomes.

And it helps to pay attention to the odd elections, like 2002. 2002 was not really a referendum on Bush, so much as it was Democrats overplaying their hand and hurting their position in a bad error.

Never forget the media plays for Team Democrat for most purposes, and that also dilutes the notion that a midterm election is always about the President in office.

Certainly Democrats have been trying to build a narrative to attack Trump, but they have mistaken 2026 for 2020, and missed where the public is looking. I say that because even February polls can be misleading. DOGE, for good or bad, has left the stage as far as voters are concerned, and I believe the ICE enforcement will too. The Democrats hoped to use those to boost Democrat voter registration, but that largely did not happen.


As for Epstein, he's a political Rorschach test. People confirm the opinion they already had, but in the end there does not seem to be any real evidence in any direction, and no real reason to think that will affect the election in November.

This midterm comes down to the Economy, especially jobs. Trump has made some unforced errors there, yet the Democrats have failed to gain traction, as well. What happens in May and early June may well be what drives the outcome.

Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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The film seems to be doing well.


Oh well, you can certainly find something else about Trump to hate.

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I am sure your 5 times seeing it was appreciated by Donald. Your cult membership is secure.

Maybe there is some group if refuges or puppies you and Miller can abuse?

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Sorry but your assumptions are wrong yet again.

Didn't watch this one, in fact haven't been to a cinema in over a decade. I just made a jest regarding yours and others projections, which of course continue on and on.

And no, I am not in any cult. Your TDS group seems more like that, come to think of it.

And while 'abusing puppies' may be your speed, I am more SPCA and Humane Society. Just paid to have a stray cat spayed, as a matter of fact.

But again, your compulsion to hate the current President, his family, and everything going right that you want to ignore seems to occupy every bit of your attention, so maybe it's too much to suggest you step back and avoid your assumptions this time.

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Message received. I apologize for my assumptions

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Thanks FLBear. You brought up some interesting thoughts regarding the 2026 and 2028 elections, which I will address once I attend to a few home maintenance issues.

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Good morning all.

Don't want to derail the thread, but I'd like to remind the room that midterm elections are very different from presidential-year elections. Also, for what it's worth Trump will not be on the ballot in either 2026 or 2028, but he will be the focus of a lot of noise.

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They are different and he will not technically be on the ballot, true. But, midterms are a referendum on sitting Presidents. How and what he does will impact Congress and the Senate. Most Presidents normally lose seats during midterms, this President has not only had numerous actions that have been heavy, but the Epstein impact is there.

Elections are not logical. ICE, DOGE and Epstein are going to be big elephants in the room for the electorate outside of the President's base.

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Elections usually do follow a logic, or at least there is an explanation after the fact to explain outcomes.

And it helps to pay attention to the odd elections, like 2002. 2002 was not really a referendum on Bush, so much as it was Democrats overplaying their hand and hurting their position in a bad error.

Never forget the media plays for Team Democrat for most purposes, and that also dilutes the notion that a midterm election is always about the President in office.

Certainly Democrats have been trying to build a narrative to attack Trump, but they have mistaken 2026 for 2020, and missed where the public is looking. I say that because even February polls can be misleading. DOGE, for good or bad, has left the stage as far as voters are concerned, and I believe the ICE enforcement will too. The Democrats hoped to use those to boost Democrat voter registration, but that largely did not happen.


As for Epstein, he's a political Rorschach test. People confirm the opinion they already had, but in the end there does not seem to be any real evidence in any direction, and no real reason to think that will affect the election in November.

This midterm comes down to the Economy, especially jobs. Trump has made some unforced errors there, yet the Democrats have failed to gain traction, as well. What happens in May and early June may well be what drives the outcome.

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Issue is the HOR margin. The House flips, it is two years of defense. Nothing gets done. There are WAY too many unforced errors.

The one place we differ is who is overplaying their hand. Trump has come out full bore and been a wrecking ball. I believe they are putting too much into beating old Biden and the mess that was Harris. A lot of voters went Trump holding their noses. They were rewarded with ICE, Greenland, DOGE, Tariffs, Epstein, Allie Bashing, blowing up boats in the Caribbean, Venezuela, Gaza and discussion of Nationalizing elections. That is a lot.

Remember, it is not the base. They would vote for him if he shot someone on 5th Ave. It is the Independents who think of Trump as the worst of bad selections. Down ticket has their work cut out for them if the Dem choices are reasonable. It is going to be 2 years of fighting off impeachments.

FLBear, it seems you are still obsessing on what the media says, not what matters to voters. I'm not going to dwell on polls either, because as I said what happens now is too early to really decide the election - historically, most voters make their decision about 5-6 months before the election, with a notable chunk deciding in the last month.

Now as to 'overplaying', that word has generally meant the party expected to have the advantage. With Trump in office, the Democrats are expected to make gains, and with a small GOP margin now that projects the Democrats taking control of the House, and certainly Democrats would use a House majority to impeach Trump. The Democrats impeached Trump twice in his first term on essentially no purpose than to attack Trump. So we should expect even more impeachments if the Democrats take control of the House.

The reason I mention this, is because those independent voters care about issues and vote accordingly, so they want Democrats to focus on those key issues. If Democrats make the midterms about Trump, while Republicans actually run on the issues, that's the kind of thing that can keep the House in GOP control. It's not about whether Trump acts like an adult, it's about whether the GOP does.

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FLBear, it seems you are still obsessing on what the media says, not what matters to voters. I'm not going to dwell on polls either, because as I said what happens now is too early to really decide the election - historically, most voters make their decision about 5-6 months before the election, with a notable chunk deciding in the last month.

Now as to 'overplaying', that word has generally meant the party expected to have the advantage. With Trump in office, the Democrats are expected to make gains, and with a small GOP margin now that projects the Democrats taking control of the House, and certainly Democrats would use a House majority to impeach Trump. The Democrats impeached Trump twice in his first term on essentially no purpose than to attack Trump. So we should expect even more impeachments if the Democrats take control of the House.

The reason I mention this, is because those independent voters care about issues and vote accordingly, so they want Democrats to focus on those key issues. If Democrats make the midterms about Trump, while Republicans actually run on the issues, that's the kind of thing that can keep the House in GOP control. It's not about whether Trump acts like an adult, it's about whether the GOP does.

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This is where you rely a little too much on logic, it is the accountant in you (mean that good naturedly).


Media does count. There is a reason the candidate with the most money wins, it is for advertising in the media. That is for a reason. Media reporting is not as biased as you believe. Reuters, AP, BBC and others report more accurately than Bannon would wants you to believe. Special elections coming up to the midterms tell a lot too.

Talking Presidential for ease of example, Trump won twice. Both times against HIGHLY unlikable candidates. Hillary in 2016 and Harris in 2020. He lost to Biden. If the Dems run AOC or some other unlikable candidate GOP has a good shot. If the run a Pritzker or Shapiro, people that are just as good behind the mike? With Donalds heavy handed tactics? With Epstein hanging out there? That is a lot of weight.

The negatives here for the GOP are more than this site would like to admit. AND, most importantly, the current Admin doesn't do it small.

• He took on Bad Bunny last night for his half time show that was pretty much benign. The guy is THE most popular Hispanic in the world, literally.
• ICE wasn't just aggressive, he went full on to the point of comparing them to Nazis.
• Greenland, he basically is bringing about the end of NATO.
• Canada our closest Allie is talking to China.
• Epstein, he isn't just mentioned. He is mentioned over 5000 times.
• Gaza he has his son-in-law making a real estate deal in the name of the US.
• Venezuela oil
• Tariffs
• DOGE

See my point, he not only does it. He does it BIG and then doubles down. A lot on that list.

Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.

Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.

LOVE WINS: The couple featured in Bad Bunny's Super Bowl halftime show got legally married during the performance.

A representative for Bad Bunny says the singer asked the couple to get married on stage after they invited him to their wedding.

He even served as the witness and… pic.twitter.com/Kd7jJk8K6A

— Fox News (@FoxNews) February 9, 2026

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Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.

Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.

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We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.

I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.

We will see

FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.

Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.

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We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.

I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.

We will see

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It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.

I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.

As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.

Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.

Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.

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We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.

I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.

We will see

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It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.

I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.

As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.

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I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..


Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.

Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism

.@SenFettermanPA and I may not vote together very often, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a total banger.

He plays outside the pocket and doesn’t give a damn who’s mad at him. pic.twitter.com/aWyduHPReM

— John Kennedy (@SenJohnKennedy) February 9, 2026

Reminder that by late last year, even @AnnCoulter judged that “this is the most corrupt presidency in U.S. history…It is so blatant, it’s right in front of our eyes,” and @Cernovich noted: “During recent visit in DC, the talk of everyone was how overt the corruption was. It's at… https://t.co/c4VMpZTXBR

— Edward Feser (@FeserEdward) February 9, 2026

NEW: Megyn Kelly absolutely rips Piers Morgan for defending the Bad Bunny halftime show, says his smug attitude is why Great Britain has lost its culture to "radical Muslims."

Kelly: This is supposed to be a unifying event for the country, not for the Latinossss...

Morgan:… pic.twitter.com/VUbNb3rgzY

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) February 9, 2026

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Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.

Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.

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We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.

I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.

We will see

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It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.

I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.

As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.

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I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..


Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.

Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism

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FWIW, I voted for DeSantis in the 2024 primary. I agree that I think he would govern better than Trump in normal conditions. But we can't ignore that the Democrats in general and the Left en mass have been in constant war against Trump since his first term, and so conditions vary according to who takes office,

To your last paragraph, I believe you are talking about the 2028 Presidential election. And the field on both sides is a mess. On the GOP side, the presumptive heir right now would be Vice-President Vance, but that depends on how Trump finishes his term. Other names include Rubio and a fair number of wanna-be's like Cruz. We will see some shake-ups between now and the 2028 primary season.

The Democrats should be in good position to retake the White House, except so far the best they can offer is Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsome, neither of whom move the needle for anyone but committed Democrats. Worse, the Democrats right now have money problems, and the best they can offer to the media are stale has-beens like Schumer or AOC (yes, she's already yesterday's barista). So it's not as if the Democrats are poised for greatness.

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Reminder that by late last year, even @AnnCoulter judged that “this is the most corrupt presidency in U.S. history…It is so blatant, it’s right in front of our eyes,” and @Cernovich noted: “During recent visit in DC, the talk of everyone was how overt the corruption was. It's at… https://t.co/c4VMpZTXBR

— Edward Feser (@FeserEdward) February 9, 2026

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I mentioned this several months ago and no one wanted to touch it. People should also look into the Qatar, Saudi, and Trump real estate ventures going on. Biden deserved the heat, even more, on him and Hunter's influence peddling. This is on a scale I'm shocked more attention isn't being put on it.

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Reminder that by late last year, even @AnnCoulter judged that “this is the most corrupt presidency in U.S. history…It is so blatant, it’s right in front of our eyes,” and @Cernovich noted: “During recent visit in DC, the talk of everyone was how overt the corruption was. It's at… https://t.co/c4VMpZTXBR

— Edward Feser (@FeserEdward) February 9, 2026

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I mentioned this several months ago and no one wanted to touch it. People should also look into the Qatar, Saudi, and Trump real estate ventures going on. Biden deserved the heat, even more, on him and Hunter's influence peddling. This is on a scale I'm shocked more attention isn't being put on it.

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THANK YOU! No one is talking about this. Je changed the value of a currency that his family is involved in

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Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.

Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.

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We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.

I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.

We will see

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It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.

I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.

As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.

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I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..


Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.

Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism

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no, neither Trump or the GOP are on the wrong side of anything. All across the spectrum of issues their policies are on the right side of 64/40 (or better) issues.

The reality is this: history teaches us that the GOP lost the 2026 mid-terms the day Trump was inaugurated. The only question is....can they manage to defeat history and hold on. Right now, they are competitive, and the environment going forward is going to get increasingly favorable for them. particularly the economy.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.

Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.

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We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.

I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.

We will see

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It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.

I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.

As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.

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I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..


Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.

Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism

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no, neither Trump or the GOP are on the wrong side of anything. All across the spectrum of issues their policies are on the right side of 64/40 (or better) issues.

The reality is this: history teaches us that the GOP lost the 2026 mid-terms the day Trump was inaugurated. The only question is....can they manage to defeat history and hold on. Right now, they are competitive, and the environment going forward is going to get increasingly favorable for them. particularly the economy.

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First, wrong? Bit black and white. There isnt a right or wrong. There is a numbers game. We are no longer the target demographic. BB was not about taste, but about numbers. He is the hottest act there is right now and expands the NFL footprint. That is the goal, whether you or I like it? Irrelevant, we are dinosaurs to Madison Ave.

I disagree it was lost on election day. Trump, if anyone, shows Americans will forgive anything if you perform. Biden dod not, Trump is back. Trump is losing it with nuclear, heavy handed tactics AND Epstein. A lot of the damage is done. He gets it now, he has backed off. Epstein is going to be impossible to shake and Vance is unlikable. He needs to figure a way out of Epstein but don't see that happening. You keep saying people don't vote based on seemingly everything Trump does wrong. Well, they will vote on Epstein, it will impact elections, too much there not to. Stonewalling making it worse.

Going to be tough for GOP. House is probably gone. Senate is actually in play. Economy is going to have to get better quick and not just for the wealthy. The basics for the working class are not there. They are worse, AI and automation gonna gut things before help. That is not his fault, but he will pay. Maybe I am wrong and you are right, this is exactly what America wants.

But, midterms are not just some historic fact and Trump is an innocent bystander helpless to impact the future election. You are creative in your spin...

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.

Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.

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We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.

I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.

We will see

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It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.

I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.

As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.

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I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..


Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.

Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism

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no, neither Trump or the GOP are on the wrong side of anything. All across the spectrum of issues their policies are on the right side of 64/40 (or better) issues.

The reality is this: history teaches us that the GOP lost the 2026 mid-terms the day Trump was inaugurated. The only question is....can they manage to defeat history and hold on. Right now, they are competitive, and the environment going forward is going to get increasingly favorable for them. particularly the economy.

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First, wrong? Bit black and white. There isnt a right or wrong. There is a numbers game. We are no longer the target demographic. BB was not about taste, but about numbers. He is the hottest act there is right now and expands the NFL footprint. That is the goal, whether you or I like it? Irrelevant, we are dinosaurs to Madison Ave.

I disagree it was lost on election day. Trump, if anyone, shows Americans will forgive anything if you perform. Biden dod not, Trump is back. Trump is losing it with nuclear, heavy handed tactics AND Epstein. A lot of the damage is done. He gets it now, he has backed off. Epstein is going to be impossible to shake and Vance is unlikable. He needs to figure a way out of Epstein but don't see that happening. You keep saying people don't vote based on seemingly everything Trump does wrong. Well, they will vote on Epstein, it will impact elections, too much there not to. Stonewalling making it worse.

Going to be tough for GOP. House is probably gone. Senate is actually in play. Economy is going to have to get better quick and not just for the wealthy. The basics for the working class are not there. They are worse, AI and automation gonna gut things before help. That is not his fault, but he will pay. Maybe I am wrong and you are right, this is exactly what America wants.

But, midterms are not just some historic fact and Trump is an innocent bystander helpless to impact the future election. You are creative in your spin...

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You are railing against reality. The party which wins the WH almost always loses mid-term election. Ergo one must presume that will be the outcome unless one does something to change it. Such hardly unique to Trump. It has been the case for both parties.

At this point, the median polling seems to be showing a likely narrow loss of the House, and a likely narrow retention of the Senate. Nothing extraordinary. Just what is expected.

We also know this: the admin did enact the proper program as quickly as possible. It will have enormously positive impacts. Whether those impacts happen in time or not remains to be seen. But the benchmarks seem to be showing that what needs to happen is starting to happen. So I wouldn't get too far out over your skis at this point. You might be disappointed.

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.

Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.

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We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.

I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.

We will see

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It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.

I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.

As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.

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I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..


Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.

Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism

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no, neither Trump or the GOP are on the wrong side of anything. All across the spectrum of issues their policies are on the right side of 64/40 (or better) issues.

The reality is this: history teaches us that the GOP lost the 2026 mid-terms the day Trump was inaugurated. The only question is....can they manage to defeat history and hold on. Right now, they are competitive, and the environment going forward is going to get increasingly favorable for them. particularly the economy.

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First, wrong? Bit black and white. There isnt a right or wrong. There is a numbers game. We are no longer the target demographic. BB was not about taste, but about numbers. He is the hottest act there is right now and expands the NFL footprint. That is the goal, whether you or I like it? Irrelevant, we are dinosaurs to Madison Ave.

I disagree it was lost on election day. Trump, if anyone, shows Americans will forgive anything if you perform. Biden dod not, Trump is back. Trump is losing it with nuclear, heavy handed tactics AND Epstein. A lot of the damage is done. He gets it now, he has backed off. Epstein is going to be impossible to shake and Vance is unlikable. He needs to figure a way out of Epstein but don't see that happening. You keep saying people don't vote based on seemingly everything Trump does wrong. Well, they will vote on Epstein, it will impact elections, too much there not to. Stonewalling making it worse.

Going to be tough for GOP. House is probably gone. Senate is actually in play. Economy is going to have to get better quick and not just for the wealthy. The basics for the working class are not there. They are worse, AI and automation gonna gut things before help. That is not his fault, but he will pay. Maybe I am wrong and you are right, this is exactly what America wants.

But, midterms are not just some historic fact and Trump is an innocent bystander helpless to impact the future election. You are creative in your spin...

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You are railing against reality. The party which wins the WH almost always loses mid-term election. Ergo one must presume that will be the outcome unless one does something to change it. Such hardly unique to Trump. It has been the case for both parties.

At this point, the median polling seems to be showing a likely narrow loss of the House, and a likely narrow retention of the Senate. Nothing extraordinary. Just what is expected.

We also know this: the admin did enact the proper program as quickly as possible. It will have enormously positive impacts. Whether those impacts happen in time or not remains to be seen. But the benchmarks seem to be showing that what needs to happen is starting to happen. So I wouldn't get too far out over your skis at this point. You might be disappointed.

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Yeah, unless you guys are looking to spin a different narrative, then its history is not a good indicator of the future...

Or, when it was Clinton or Obama it was there job performance. With Trump, its just going to happen.

If he does a good job, you don't lose seats. We have seen it in both the House and the Senate. If he does things the American people don't like, you lose seats.

Clinton lost 50+ in the first term and gained 5 in the second at midterms. Why? 1st term he opened with taxes and health care. 2nd, he got on board with Newt. America liked the 2nd, not the 1st.

Bush gained 8 in the first term and lost 32 in the second. Why? 1st term 911, America approved how he handled it. 2nd term, Iraq. America did not approve.

You come in and believe you have a mandate and you are going to lose seats in the House. This group did that in spades. This is the reconciliation. But, it is based on actions, not some pre-conceived rule that the GOP was losing the House in 2026.

That is spin. Do what the American people want, you gain seats. Do what they don't, you lose. Simple as that.

It is consistent because incoming Presidents typically do not think that way and go nuts on their agendas OR world events get them. Midterms are a reconciliation based on what the Administration DOES. You are acting like Trump is some by-stander here and it really is beyond his control. It is because of what he does.

I do find mid-terms fascinating.

4 months after Trump pardoned Binance founder Changpeng Zhao, Forbes reports that Binance now holds $4.7 billion of the $5.4 billion supply of Trump’s World Liberty Financial stablecoin. That is 87%. It is the largest corruption scandal in the history of the US presidency.

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) February 10, 2026

heck, if sweet donny and crew sliced it any thinner, we'd be able to read the bhagavad gita thru the sliced beef..............

- RO BHJ

D!

Go Bears!!

Dear God... have things really gotten this bad

Who did a better job as president

🔵 Biden 48%
🔴 Trump 40%

Rasmussen #B - RV - 2/5

— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) February 10, 2026

The deportations were supposed to create jobs...right?

Peter Navarro: "The jobs report comes out tomorrow. We have to revise our expectations down significantly for what a monthly job number should look like ... Wall Street has to adjust for the fact that we're deporting millions of illegals out of the job market." pic.twitter.com/eat5SG59Px

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) February 10, 2026

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boognish_bear said:

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Dear God... have things really gotten this bad

Who did a better job as president

🔵 Biden 48%
🔴 Trump 40%

Rasmussen #B - RV - 2/5

— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) February 10, 2026

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They will attack the Poll, not what the results indicate.

As we have been told NOBODY votes on:

Epstein
Obama Video
Venezuela Oil
Gaza Real Estate
Late Night Tweets
Greenland
Insulting NATO
ICE
Bad Bunny Insults

None of it matters, doesn't impact people's votes at all. So the Poll has to be wrong.

The Trump administration’s purchase of equity stakes in private companies is distorting US capital markets by steering investment toward politically favored firms. As in China, Trump’s corporatism will weaken economic growth over time, warns Cato’s @scottlincicome.…

— Cato Institute (@CatoInstitute) February 10, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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Dear God... have things really gotten this bad

Who did a better job as president

🔵 Biden 48%
🔴 Trump 40%

Rasmussen #B - RV - 2/5

— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) February 10, 2026

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Navarro hinting at January job loss

Which would actually be on trend

Job growth has sharply weakened under Trump

Here are the latest numbers, chart by @DFosterGraphics pic.twitter.com/KVJd8aCDNm

— Rick Newman (@rickjnewman) February 10, 2026

YouGov: Trump Approval (ages 18-29 only)

🟢 Feb 2025: 52–43% (+9)

🔴 Apr 2025: 32-53% (-21)

🔴 Dec 2025: 29–66% (-37)

🔴 Feb 2026: 25–67% (-42) ← new low https://t.co/2HuKeWQNR1 pic.twitter.com/y0u5axOZrf

— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) February 10, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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The Trump administration’s purchase of equity stakes in private companies is distorting US capital markets by steering investment toward politically favored firms. As in China, Trump’s corporatism will weaken economic growth over time, warns Cato’s @scottlincicome.…

— Cato Institute (@CatoInstitute) February 10, 2026

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This policy has been roundly panned on this site. And rightly so.

It’s the other way around: the USA is sending Venezuelan oil to Israel for the first time in years after kidnapping Maduro…

— Yassin Ali (@realyassinali) February 10, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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It’s the other way around: the USA is sending Venezuelan oil to Israel for the first time in years after kidnapping Maduro…

— Yassin Ali (@realyassinali) February 10, 2026

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Is there a problem here?

EatMoreSalmon said:

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boognish_bear said:

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It’s the other way around: the USA is sending Venezuelan oil to Israel for the first time in years after kidnapping Maduro…

— Yassin Ali (@realyassinali) February 10, 2026

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Is there a problem here?

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They probably don't want to pay for it.

FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Dear God... have things really gotten this bad

Who did a better job as president

🔵 Biden 48%
🔴 Trump 40%

Rasmussen #B - RV - 2/5

— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) February 10, 2026

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They will attack the Poll, not what the results indicate.

As we have been told NOBODY votes on:

Epstein
Obama Video
Venezuela Oil
Gaza Real Estate
Late Night Tweets
Greenland
Insulting NATO
ICE
Bad Bunny Insults

None of it matters, doesn't impact people's votes at all. So the Poll has to be wrong.

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wont find me attackin the poll.. historically speakin, they do a fair job sampling/polling

FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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boognish_bear said:

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It’s the other way around: the USA is sending Venezuelan oil to Israel for the first time in years after kidnapping Maduro…

— Yassin Ali (@realyassinali) February 10, 2026

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Is there a problem here?

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They probably don't want to pay for it.

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Seriously? It is a trade deal which means it was bought.

Bazan is buying oil there after India and Spain have started to do so.

Do you still see a problem here?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/venezuela-sends-first-oil-shipment-201137017.html

According to Gemini3 AI:

Key details regarding this development:

• Significance: This is the first shipment of Venezuelan oil to Israel since mid-2020, representing a major shift in geopolitics and oil trade.
• Entities Involved: The oil is being transported to the Bazan Group (also known as Oil Refineries Ltd), Israel's top crude processor.
• Context: The shipment comes after the US-led ouster of Maduro, which has allowed Venezuelan oil to reach new markets, including India, Spain, and now Israel.
• Policy: Israel typically does not publicly disclose the specific sources of its crude oil imports.
• Previous Status: Relations between Venezuela and Israel were previously cut in 2009 by former President Hugo Chavez.
  Bloomberg +5

This development shows a pivot in Venezuelan oil exports, which were previously, heavily sold to China under the former regime.
ynetnews +1