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It's really pretty simple.
An attack on our Capitol is wrong

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Prtotests are never 'right' or 'wrong'.

However one's perception of a protest are pre determined by personal bias.

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So Antifa protests aren't eying, even when violent?
BS. A violent attack on our Capitol is wrong

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A. Not from the perspective of Antifa sympathizers. They believe they have just cause.
B. The J6 protestors felt they had just cause as well

. Only time will tell if they did or not.

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MLK went to jail for his cause & wrote letters from Birmingham, Antifa & J6 felons don't

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You have zero direct knowledge of what letters have been written or by whom.

And MLK was no better or different than any other protester.

He merely was assassinated at precisely the right moment to be glorified as a martyr to his particular cause.

Same for Lincoln, Kennedy, and Malcolm X.

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TRUTH NUKE

No one should look up to Dr. King

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Or even Rosa Parks if you like historical things that didn't even happen the way you were taught

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Exactly

Her entire 'event' was planned out ahead of time.
It was not spontaneous whatsoever.

She even admitted it years later.

But since these facts are inconvenient to the manufactured narrative…..they are ignored.

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This is fake history. Park's refused to go to the back of the bus & local authorities took it from there. It's called civil disobedience

I'm mystified why it is important to you that nobody look up to MLK or admire Parks' courage
Are you for segregation of the races? Whirs only waiting rooms & drinking fountains?

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MLK rejected the divinity of Christ, plagiarized his work, lived an adulterous lifestyle, and hung out with communists.

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Tell us how this influences your opinion of racial segregation, Jim Crow laws and Fuentes.

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Do you rlly wanna know?

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I asked, so yes, please tell us

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It was a rhetorical question. MLK being a POS does not influence my opinion on segregation, Jim Crow, or Nick Fuentes

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What is your opinion of racial segregation, Jim Crow, & Fuentes? I'm sure you can figure out how to dodge th question again

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Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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It's really pretty simple.
An attack on our Capitol is wrong

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Prtotests are never 'right' or 'wrong'.

However one's perception of a protest are pre determined by personal bias.

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So Antifa protests aren't eying, even when violent?
BS. A violent attack on our Capitol is wrong

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A. Not from the perspective of Antifa sympathizers. They believe they have just cause.
B. The J6 protestors felt they had just cause as well

. Only time will tell if they did or not.

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MLK went to jail for his cause & wrote letters from Birmingham, Antifa & J6 felons don't

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You have zero direct knowledge of what letters have been written or by whom.

And MLK was no better or different than any other protester.

He merely was assassinated at precisely the right moment to be glorified as a martyr to his particular cause.

Same for Lincoln, Kennedy, and Malcolm X.

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TRUTH NUKE

No one should look up to Dr. King

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Or even Rosa Parks if you like historical things that didn't even happen the way you were taught

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Exactly

Her entire 'event' was planned out ahead of time.
It was not spontaneous whatsoever.

She even admitted it years later.

But since these facts are inconvenient to the manufactured narrative…..they are ignored.

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This is fake history. Park's refused to go to the back of the bus & local authorities took it from there. It's called civil disobedience

I'm mystified why it is important to you that nobody look up to MLK or admire Parks' courage
Are you for segregation of the races? Whirs only waiting rooms & drinking fountains?

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MLK rejected the divinity of Christ, plagiarized his work, lived an adulterous lifestyle, and hung out with communists.

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Tell us how this influences your opinion of racial segregation, Jim Crow laws and Fuentes.

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Do you rlly wanna know?

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I asked, so yes, please tell us

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It was a rhetorical question. MLK being a POS does not influence my opinion on segregation, Jim Crow, or Nick Fuentes

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What is your opinion of racial segregation, Jim Crow, & Fuentes? I'm sure you can figure out how to dodge th question again

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I'm not entertaining a race baiter

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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It's really pretty simple.
An attack on our Capitol is wrong

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Prtotests are never 'right' or 'wrong'.

However one's perception of a protest are pre determined by personal bias.

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So Antifa protests aren't eying, even when violent?
BS. A violent attack on our Capitol is wrong

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A. Not from the perspective of Antifa sympathizers. They believe they have just cause.
B. The J6 protestors felt they had just cause as well

. Only time will tell if they did or not.

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MLK went to jail for his cause & wrote letters from Birmingham, Antifa & J6 felons don't

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You have zero direct knowledge of what letters have been written or by whom.

And MLK was no better or different than any other protester.

He merely was assassinated at precisely the right moment to be glorified as a martyr to his particular cause.

Same for Lincoln, Kennedy, and Malcolm X.

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TRUTH NUKE

No one should look up to Dr. King

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Or even Rosa Parks if you like historical things that didn't even happen the way you were taught

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Exactly

Her entire 'event' was planned out ahead of time.
It was not spontaneous whatsoever.

She even admitted it years later.

But since these facts are inconvenient to the manufactured narrative…..they are ignored.

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This is fake history. Park's refused to go to the back of the bus & local authorities took it from there. It's called civil disobedience

I'm mystified why it is important to you that nobody look up to MLK or admire Parks' courage
Are you for segregation of the races? Whirs only waiting rooms & drinking fountains?

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MLK rejected the divinity of Christ, plagiarized his work, lived an adulterous lifestyle, and hung out with communists.

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Tell us how this influences your opinion of racial segregation, Jim Crow laws and Fuentes.

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Do you rlly wanna know?

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I asked, so yes, please tell us

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It was a rhetorical question. MLK being a POS does not influence my opinion on segregation, Jim Crow, or Nick Fuentes

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What is your opinion of racial segregation, Jim Crow, & Fuentes? I'm sure you can figure out how to dodge th question again

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I'm not entertaining a race baiter

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OK. So what is your opinion of racial segregation, Jim Crow, and Nick Fuentes?

boognish_bear said:

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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J6 has become political mythology.

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There are hours of video

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of a mostly peaceful demonstration that in a few areas became a riot.

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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It's really pretty simple.
An attack on our Capitol is wrong

---

Prtotests are never 'right' or 'wrong'.

However one's perception of a protest are pre determined by personal bias.

---

So Antifa protests aren't eying, even when violent?
BS. A violent attack on our Capitol is wrong

---

A. Not from the perspective of Antifa sympathizers. They believe they have just cause.
B. The J6 protestors felt they had just cause as well

. Only time will tell if they did or not.

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MLK went to jail for his cause & wrote letters from Birmingham, Antifa & J6 felons don't

---

You have zero direct knowledge of what letters have been written or by whom.

And MLK was no better or different than any other protester.

He merely was assassinated at precisely the right moment to be glorified as a martyr to his particular cause.

Same for Lincoln, Kennedy, and Malcolm X.

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TRUTH NUKE

No one should look up to Dr. King

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Or even Rosa Parks if you like historical things that didn't even happen the way you were taught

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Exactly

Her entire 'event' was planned out ahead of time.
It was not spontaneous whatsoever.

She even admitted it years later.

But since these facts are inconvenient to the manufactured narrative…..they are ignored.

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This is fake history. Park's refused to go to the back of the bus & local authorities took it from there. It's called civil disobedience

I'm mystified why it is important to you that nobody look up to MLK or admire Parks' courage
Are you for segregation of the races? Whires only waiting rooms & drinking fountains?

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Incorrect.

Even prior to her incident on the bus…. Parks was an activist..

Parks and her associates carefully planned her actions.

( She openly acknowledged this during an interview years later)

Now the fact that she was an activist who carefully staged the incident …does NOT alter the fact that segregation was totally wrong . Segregation needed to end, it was immoral.


But it should remind all of us not to instantly accept what the media dumps In front of us.

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Thank you, KaiBear, for letting us all know that even though we all need to tear down Parks' statues littered across the country, we can still hold the opinion that racial segregation is wrong.

Good Lord.

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Revealing filter you showed there, Porteroso.

KaiBear correctly observed that we can and should be able to discern the truth before just taking the media at its word. The funny thing is you have said much the same thing when Trump was praised for something, but you throw a sulk when others are criticized.

For my part, I respect the efforts of Parks and Dr. King to address segregation and racism, even as I think it's important to understand some of the tactics on both sides. Because the same tactics are used today, and sometimes by the opposite side who used them before.

Some people chose to stay blind.

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I am on board with discerning tactics and staying ahead of media manipulation. But why would you single out only the heroes of racial equity in America?

Read his list again, and ask yourself, say he was trying to manipulate people, why would you think that would be?

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Distinction without a difference. I don't think it matters whether she was a kindly old lady going to see the grandkids, or an activist trying to put herself into a position to get ordered to the back of the bus. Fact is, due solely to the color of her skin, she got ordered to the back of the bus. And she rightfully refused. And then she paid the price for breaking the law. All of it part of an effort to highlight how immoral the law was. It worked. The incident should be a part of cultural mythology. It's how we teach future generations about right & wrong.

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Proposed California ballot measure requiring voter ID and citizenship verification appears to have enough signatures for November ballot — KTLA pic.twitter.com/vBV7w6Q9jl

— NewsWire (@NewsWire_US) March 2, 2026

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Let's hope it doesn't get worded like some old proposed Texas amendments. Unscrupulous politicians that didn't want an amendment used to get it worded so a yes vote meant "yes, I don't want that." Worked the other way, too.

KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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Osodecentx said:

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It's really pretty simple.
An attack on our Capitol is wrong

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Prtotests are never 'right' or 'wrong'.

However one's perception of a protest are pre determined by personal bias.

---

So Antifa protests aren't eying, even when violent?
BS. A violent attack on our Capitol is wrong

---

A. Not from the perspective of Antifa sympathizers. They believe they have just cause.
B. The J6 protestors felt they had just cause as well

. Only time will tell if they did or not.

---

MLK went to jail for his cause & wrote letters from Birmingham, Antifa & J6 felons don't

---

You have zero direct knowledge of what letters have been written or by whom.

And MLK was no better or different than any other protester.

He merely was assassinated at precisely the right moment to be glorified as a martyr to his particular cause.

Same for Lincoln, Kennedy, and Malcolm X.

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TRUTH NUKE

No one should look up to Dr. King

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Or even Rosa Parks if you like historical things that didn't even happen the way you were taught

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Exactly

Her entire 'event' was planned out ahead of time.
It was not spontaneous whatsoever.

She even admitted it years later.

But since these facts are inconvenient to the manufactured narrative…..they are ignored.

---

This is fake history. Park's refused to go to the back of the bus & local authorities took it from there. It's called civil disobedience

I'm mystified why it is important to you that nobody look up to MLK or admire Parks' courage
Are you for segregation of the races? Whires only waiting rooms & drinking fountains?

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Incorrect.

Even prior to her incident on the bus…. Parks was an activist..

Parks and her associates carefully planned her actions.

( She openly acknowledged this during an interview years later)

Now the fact that she was an activist who carefully staged the incident …does NOT alter the fact that segregation was totally wrong . Segregation needed to end, it was immoral.


But it should remind all of us not to instantly accept what the media dumps In front of us.

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Thank you, KaiBear, for letting us all know that even though we all need to tear down Parks' statues littered across the country, we can still hold the opinion that racial segregation is wrong.

Good Lord.

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Revealing filter you showed there, Porteroso.

KaiBear correctly observed that we can and should be able to discern the truth before just taking the media at its word. The funny thing is you have said much the same thing when Trump was praised for something, but you throw a sulk when others are criticized.

For my part, I respect the efforts of Parks and Dr. King to address segregation and racism, even as I think it's important to understand some of the tactics on both sides. Because the same tactics are used today, and sometimes by the opposite side who used them before.

Some people chose to stay blind.

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I am on board with discerning tactics and staying ahead of media manipulation. But why would you single out only the heroes of racial equity in America?

Read his list again, and ask yourself, say he was trying to manipulate people, why would you think that would be?

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Distinction without a difference. I don't think it matters whether she was a kindly old lady going to see the grandkids, or an activist trying to put herself into a position to get ordered to the back of the bus. Fact is, due solely to the color of her skin, she got ordered to the back of the bus. And she rightfully refused. And then she paid the price for breaking the law. All of it part of an effort to highlight how immoral the law was. It worked. The incident should be a part of cultural mythology. It's how we teach future generations about right & wrong.

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Agreed

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boognish_bear said:

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

As president he bungled 'reconstruction' throughout the south; had several corruption scandals in his administration and failed to reach any fair settlement with the various indian tribes of the West.

After Grant left office he went broke on some bad business investments. While dying of throat cancer he managed to complete his autobiography. ( probably the bravest act of his life )

After his death the book did provide enough money for his widow to live on.

Historians across the spectrum have Grant in the bottom 5 of all US presidents.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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boognish_bear said:

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Very accurate. He was a very underrated General. He dealt with the biggest issues both as a President and as a General.

I'm a yankee who sympathizes deeply for the Southern cause… but Grant was an honorable man for the most part.

Now Sherman, he's a horrible human being.

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boognish_bear said:

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Listening to his Memoirs on Audible, excellent read/listen. Have had it for decades, shelf book, and never really read it besides a section or two. If someone wants to know what happened and what he was thinking, that is the place. Much more impressed after reading, he acknowledges his failures as much as what went right. Gives it a credible feel. Very different from Lee's, everything about him is more that he is a victim. Grant takes full responsibility for his failures.

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boognish_bear said:

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Listening to his Memoirs on Audible, excellent read/listen. Have had it for decades, shelf book, and never really read it besides a section or two. If someone wants to know what happened and what he was thinking, that is the place. Much more impressed after reading, he acknowledges his failures as much as what went right. Gives it a credible feel. Very different from Lee's, everything about him is more that he is a victim. Grant takes full responsibility for his failures.

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I'm going into my civil war reading phase after I finish Moby Dick. Gonna start with The Illustrative Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era, but I'll definitely add Grant's memoirs to my list.

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boognish_bear said:

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Grant's army outnumbered Lee approx 3-1 and by this time the South was barely able to feed or otherwise supply Lee's troops.

Students are taught about Picket's hopeless charge at Gettysburg.....but weeks after that battle Grant did one even worse at COLD HARBOR. A battle were Grant repeatedly sent his men in suicidial charges against Lee's entrenched army on higher ground. Confederates inflicted over 15,000 casualties on Grant's troops in less than 48 hours.

The north was outraged over the slaughter....even Lincoln's wife openly referred to Grant as a 'butcher'.
Always been amusing to me how the entertainment industry never made a movie about COLD HARBOR.

Grant failed in every business he attemped prior to the Civil War.
He accepted significant financial 'arrangments' as president....only to loss all the money in bad investments.

Would have died broke had he not mustered the strength to endure his cancer ( Grant was a habitual cigar smoker ) and finish his autobiography. Grant died onlt a few days after its completion.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Grant's army outnumbered Lee approx 3-1 and by this time the South was barely able to feed or otherwise supply Lee's troops.

Students are taught about Picket's hopeless charge at Gettysburg.....but weeks after that battle Grant did one even worse at COLD HARBOR. A battle were Grant repeatedly sent his men in suicidial charges against Lee's entrenched army on higher ground. Confederates inflicted over 15,000 casualties on Grant's troops in less than 48 hours.

The north was outraged over the slaughter....even Lincoln's wife openly referred to Grant as a 'butcher'.
Always been amusing to me how the entertainment industry never made a movie about COLD HARBOR.

Grant failed in every business he attemped prior to the Civil War.
He accepted significant financial 'arrangments' as president....only to loss all the money in bad investments.

Would have died broke had he not mustered the strength to endure his cancer ( Grant was a habitual cigar smoker ) and finish his autobiography. Grant died onlt a few days after its completion.

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Pickett's charge is taught because it was the turning point in one of the most important battles in the Civil War. Cold Harbor isn't taught because it was Lee's last victory, and it did not have a significant impact on the war. Although the Union lost more men in total in the overland campaign, Lee lost more men relative to his total number. Wouldn't that make Lee the butcher?

Mary Todd didn't like anyone very much and no one liked her. I don't blame her too much given what she went through, but she no military expert so I don't know why I would value her military opinion.

I don't understand your point with the rest... Grant was a bad person because he didn't have an acumen for business?? He was a bad person because he died poor?

You say he fought through a painful cancer to finish his Memoirs so that his family would be taken care of... I think most people would find that extremely admirable.

" Historians across the spectrum have Grant in the bottom 5 of all US presidents."

Which to me is an indictment on the hubris of many historians. They judge Grant harshly on the corruption of some of the men he appointed to office (with no evidence Grant was aware of, let alone involved in their crimes) while ignoring Grant's important efforts to rebuild the nation, including the first organized efforts to wipe out the KKK.

Most of the criteria claimed by historians is subjective and based on what kind of attention they can claim for their own books and theories.

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" Historians across the spectrum have Grant in the bottom 5 of all US presidents."

Which to me is an indictment on the hubris of many historians. They judge Grant harshly on the corruption of some of the men he appointed to office (with no evidence Grant was aware of, let alone involved in their crimes) while ignoring Grant's important efforts to rebuild the nation, including the first organized efforts to wipe out the KKK.

Most of the criteria claimed by historians is subjective and based on what kind of attention they can claim for their own books and theories.

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I agree. What is really interesting is that when he learned of corruption he investigated his own Administration. The Whiskey Ring Scandal he arrested 100 in his own Administration. He was an honest guy, over his head in politics, but he was honest.

He also passed 15th Amendment, created the Dept of Justice and a bunch more. He is a very interesting person.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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" Historians across the spectrum have Grant in the bottom 5 of all US presidents."

Which to me is an indictment on the hubris of many historians. They judge Grant harshly on the corruption of some of the men he appointed to office (with no evidence Grant was aware of, let alone involved in their crimes) while ignoring Grant's important efforts to rebuild the nation, including the first organized efforts to wipe out the KKK.

Most of the criteria claimed by historians is subjective and based on what kind of attention they can claim for their own books and theories.

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I agree. What is really interesting is that when he learned of corruption he investigated his own Administration. The Whiskey Ring Scandal he arrested 100 in his own Administration. He was an honest guy, over his head in politics, but he was honest.

He also passed 15th Amendment, created the Dept of Justice and a bunch more. He is a very interesting person.

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And regarding the Civil War, Grant was singular in his focus. He made enemies among generals because he did not play politics but focused on getting the job done. A brutal business, but Grant cleaned up the messes made by previous leaders, notably McLellan.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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I know this isn't your thing, but a lot of us find it cool that the government can't prevent people from voting based on their race.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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I know this isn't your thing, but a lot of us find it cool that the government can't prevent people from voting based on their race.

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Are you against voter ID too?

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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I know this isn't your thing, but a lot of us find it cool that the government can't prevent people from voting based on their race.

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Are you against voter ID too?

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He never said that, and I can't help but wonder why you link that to his statement.


Projection noted.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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I know this isn't your thing, but a lot of us find it cool that the government can't prevent people from voting based on their race.

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Are you against voter ID too?

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I'm for US citizens of all races and gender being able to vote.

Are you for bringing back literacy tests even though you'd lose your right to vote?

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" Historians across the spectrum have Grant in the bottom 5 of all US presidents."

Which to me is an indictment on the hubris of many historians. They judge Grant harshly on the corruption of some of the men he appointed to office (with no evidence Grant was aware of, let alone involved in their crimes) while ignoring Grant's important efforts to rebuild the nation, including the first organized efforts to wipe out the KKK.

Most of the criteria claimed by historians is subjective and based on what kind of attention they can claim for their own books and theories.

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I agree. What is really interesting is that when he learned of corruption he investigated his own Administration. The Whiskey Ring Scandal he arrested 100 in his own Administration. He was an honest guy, over his head in politics, but he was honest.

He also passed 15th Amendment, created the Dept of Justice and a bunch more. He is a very interesting person.

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And regarding the Civil War, Grant was singular in his focus. He made enemies among generals because he did not play politics but focused on getting the job done. A brutal business, but Grant cleaned up the messes made by previous leaders, notably McLellan.

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I agree. Singular in focus is a good term. Lee surrendered when he realized Grant would never stop and it did not matter what he destroyed. He would always come. As you say, brutal but that was what was needed for the South to finally get it.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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I know this isn't your thing, but a lot of us find it cool that the government can't prevent people from voting based on their race.

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Are you against voter ID too?

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I'm for US citizens of all races and gender being able to vote.

Are you for bringing back literacy tests even though you'd lose your right to vote?

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I'm for bringing back the right to vote the way the founding fathers wrote it - that only male landowners could vote.... i'll allow the different races as long as they love America.

The era of white guilt is over, sorry!

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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I know this isn't your thing, but a lot of us find it cool that the government can't prevent people from voting based on their race.

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Are you against voter ID too?

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I'm for US citizens of all races and gender being able to vote.

Are you for bringing back literacy tests even though you'd lose your right to vote?

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“The racial guilt stuff… That you owe somebody something for being white, that’s over and done with.” —Sam Hyde

True. White guilt is dead. pic.twitter.com/aLC4fzmSlo

— iamyesyouareno (@iamyesyouareno) January 21, 2026

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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I know this isn't your thing, but a lot of us find it cool that the government can't prevent people from voting based on their race.

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Are you against voter ID too?

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I'm for US citizens of all races and gender being able to vote.

Are you for bringing back literacy tests even though you'd lose your right to vote?

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I'm for bringing back the right to vote the way the founding fathers wrote it - that only male landowners could vote.... i'll allow the different races as long as they love America.

The era of white guilt is over, sorry!

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Just curious, are you employed? Simple yes or no will suffice, don't want to know where.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Grant's army outnumbered Lee approx 3-1 and by this time the South was barely able to feed or otherwise supply Lee's troops.

Students are taught about Picket's hopeless charge at Gettysburg.....but weeks after that battle Grant did one even worse at COLD HARBOR. A battle were Grant repeatedly sent his men in suicidial charges against Lee's entrenched army on higher ground. Confederates inflicted over 15,000 casualties on Grant's troops in less than 48 hours.

The north was outraged over the slaughter....even Lincoln's wife openly referred to Grant as a 'butcher'.
Always been amusing to me how the entertainment industry never made a movie about COLD HARBOR.

Grant failed in every business he attemped prior to the Civil War.
He accepted significant financial 'arrangments' as president....only to loss all the money in bad investments.

Would have died broke had he not mustered the strength to endure his cancer ( Grant was a habitual cigar smoker ) and finish his autobiography. Grant died onlt a few days after its completion.

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Pickett's charge is taught because it was the turning point in one of the most important battles in the Civil War. Cold Harbor isn't taught because it was Lee's last victory, and it did not have a significant impact on the war. Although the Union lost more men in total in the overland campaign, Lee lost more men relative to his total number. Wouldn't that make Lee the butcher?

Mary Todd didn't like anyone very much and no one liked her. I don't blame her too much given what she went through, but she no military expert so I don't know why I would value her military opinion.

I don't understand your point with the rest... Grant was a bad person because he didn't have an acumen for business?? He was a bad person because he died poor?

You say he fought through a painful cancer to finish his Memoirs so that his family would be taken care of... I think most people would find that extremely admirable.

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It most certainly was admirable. However he was a mediocre officer in the Mexican American War....and resigned his commission. Failed in business both before and after the civil war. The guy drank far too much and was not particularly bright.

Grant makes the bottom 5 list of US presidents consistently for valid reasons.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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I know this isn't your thing, but a lot of us find it cool that the government can't prevent people from voting based on their race.

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Are you against voter ID too?

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I'm for US citizens of all races and gender being able to vote.

Are you for bringing back literacy tests even though you'd lose your right to vote?

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I'm for bringing back the right to vote the way the founding fathers wrote it - that only male landowners could vote.... i'll allow the different races as long as they love America.

The era of white guilt is over, sorry!

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Just curious, are you employed? Simple yes or no will suffice, don't want to know where.

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The Department of Education hung large banners of American "heroes" on its building in Washington D.C. on Sunday, including Ben Franklin, Martin Luther King Jr., Catharine Beecher and Charlie Kirk.

In a video posted to social media by Education Sec. Linda McMahon, the banners… pic.twitter.com/Ota3BgiVYJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) March 2, 2026

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Grant, an often overlooked American who served and led when needed. Never gets credit he deserves.

George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Steven Jobs
Albert Einstein

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You can't be serious.

Grant was a butcher.....lost men to Lee at almost a 3-1 ratio. Grant simply had a many more men to begin with and understood the math.

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This is lost cause nonsense. The Union was fighting a mostly offensive war, of course they were going to lose more men. Lee/the confederacy lost every offensive campaign they tried to muster. Grant was the best general in the Civil War and if he was put in charge at the beginning the war would have been won much sooner. Lee was the better tactician, but Grant was the better strategist. Tactics wins battles, but strategy wins war.

Grant's presidency is looked at more favorably now than it typically has been. He pushed for the ratification of the 15th amendment, created the first national park at Yellowstone, and actively tried to dismantle the KKK.

His worst trait was that he was too trusting, which led to the corruption that most historians agreed he had no involvement in.

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Ahh yes the 15th amendment that gave us birthright citizenship... what an accomplishment.

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I know this isn't your thing, but a lot of us find it cool that the government can't prevent people from voting based on their race.

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Are you against voter ID too?

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I'm for US citizens of all races and gender being able to vote.

Are you for bringing back literacy tests even though you'd lose your right to vote?

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I'm for bringing back the right to vote the way the founding fathers wrote it - that only male landowners could vote.... i'll allow the different races as long as they love America.

The era of white guilt is over, sorry!

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Haven't you argued that homes are way too expensive for the younger generations? You do realize that if you had it your way the boomers that you complain about would make up an even bigger percentage of voters?

It doesn't look like you have put much thought into what you actually believe.