Notice the scale. If that were actually happening, it's only about one eighth the size of Mt Rushmore.

Maybe they are sculpting that somewhere in Mar-El-Lago?

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The Dems have wanted socialized medicine for decades because they gain more power. They have been pushing for it at least since Truman and the late 1940s. Then there was Hillarycare, their next big push. Thank God we dodged that bullet. Obamacare is basically the same thing but they passed it anyone through their usual tactics: lying, cheating, stealing, back room deals, and unconstitutionality.

The insurance companies got into bed with the corrupt politicians and bureaucrats to create a huge unwieldy behemoth that was never going to succeed. It's impossible. And it was not meant to. It was designed to create a bigger mess they could use to call for "single payer" (Obama was saying that from the start) or "Medicare for all" and here we are.

The problem is that the more government controls anything, the more government destroy it. We must always remember that government is parasitic and does not create anything. It only destroys wealth, innovation, prosperity, success, and especially freedom. Socialized medicine, by whatever label (Marxists are very good at propaganda and we always have "useful idiots" who believe the lies), is all of this and more.

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You have to get over this everything is a power move, you have been hanging around MAGA too long.


Cancer treatment is not a power move. Not being able to get a drug because you can't afford it is not a power move. My sister in law can ONLY get the pancreatic cancer meds as part of a study, if she is accepted, because it is too expensive. The great pancreatic cancer drugs the fake news reports, none of us common folk can't afford. Bet Jared and Ivanka can... And don't tell me it doesn't happen. I sat in the office with the oncologist.

My medication is up to $480 a month with insurance, not cancer med. While the CEO of the hospital make 2m a year. The ER is full because there is no option for them without insurance or a credit card. That is happening everyday, it is not "Fake News". That is private health care. Government has nothing to do with it, Insurance companies and peope like Sen. Rick Scott. Read up on him, the great conservative stalwart...

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I have an antibiotic that is $3000 per bottle with Insurance. However, my concierge dr in the US can magically find a coupon for Free. Explain that to me.

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Sorry, if my government is going to err in a direction of irresponsible spending, spending to make the lives of US citizens better is preferable to spending on blowing **** up or other Nations...

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You don't feel like your life, or the lives of other American citizens, is better after the government spent trillions on tying to culturally reconstruct the Islamic world into Berkeley?

"The U.S. government has appropriated and spent an estimated $8 trillion on post-9/11 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

At least the Taliban is not running Afghanistan and girls are finally back in school learning about modern art.

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You're not wrong about failed nation building attempts. But over the same period about $45 Trillion has been spent on SS/Medicare and Medicaid. And that's against about $27 Trillion collected for it. It's politically palatable to fix the first problem. It isn't palatable to fix the other.

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We can always at least theoretically roll back domestic entitlement programs

We can never turn the Hindu Kush mountain tribes into manhattan liberals….

(At least not without extreme violence against civilian populations and a 50-100 year very long occupation)

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Agree. We also carried forth the deception of what some keep thinking are the intentions of Iranian citizens. Both could be politically reversed easier than cutting seniors checks.

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DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin Announces Over 1,000 Cases Of Non-Citizen Voter Fraud

"We have 1,620 cases moving right now that are under investigation. We have 151 arrests, and we have 300,000 that we're looking into and that list grows every single day."

"The president was right when he said there was a tremendous amount of fraud in the election. We continue to see that."

This administration has already prosecuted four times as many cases of non-citizen voting as Biden did in his whole presidency.
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Right on cue.

get well carrot top:

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Biden-era inspection reports expose Kennedy Center disrepair, safety hazards that Trump seeks to fix
Concerns raised during the Biden era included vulnerability to terrorist attacks and health hazards like lead-painted steel beams, insufficient ventilation in bathrooms and failing sealants containing a cancer-linked chemical.
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Tear it down and make Erect new center for Benefit of Glorious Donaldo!

- el UF

Trump announces his planned 250-foot triumphal arch near Arlington Memorial Bridge will double as a military complex — capable of deploying drones, housing snipers on the roof and plaza, and storing large quantities of ammunition.

The structure, inspired by Paris' Arc de… pic.twitter.com/4LZeGlziby

— Fox News Politics (@foxnewspolitics) September 20, 2026

Trump Vows To Send Every American One Million Dollars To Combat Inflation https://t.co/XK8c3oNwqX

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) September 14, 2026

Trump has posted HIS HEMISPHERE pic.twitter.com/SU11l9s13C

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) September 20, 2026

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Trump announces his planned 250-foot triumphal arch near Arlington Memorial Bridge will double as a military complex — capable of deploying drones, housing snipers on the roof and plaza, and storing large quantities of ammunition.

The structure, inspired by Paris' Arc de… pic.twitter.com/4LZeGlziby

— Fox News Politics (@foxnewspolitics) September 20, 2026

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As a former resident of Paris, Trump de Triophe is absolutely embarrassing for even Piggy. There is 1 Arch D' Triompe and it ain't in Washington. Lived close to the real one.

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Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

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I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

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Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

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There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

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We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

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Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

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He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

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Presley Gerber has died at the age of 27

He was the son of supermodel Cindy Crawford Rande Gerber, and the brother of model and actress Kaia Gerber

Presley began working as a model as a teenager

Presley died on Sunday, Sept. 20, at a rehab facility, according to Los Angeles County Medical Examiner records obtained by PEOPLE. TMZ was first to report the news.

Presley was the son of model Cindy Crawford and her husband, Rande Gerber, a businessman, and the brother of model and actress Kaia Gerber. Presley was a model himself. He was open about his struggles with mental health and substance abuse.

Presley was born in Beverly Hills, Calif., in 1999. Kaia was born in 2001, rounding out the family of four.

In May 2025, Cindy remembered in an interview with Today that Presley didn't think she had a job when he was growing up. "I think you told [them] in preschool, [when] there was, like, 'What do your parents do for work?' " she said to Presley. "And you told your preschool teachers that I didn't work, and I was like, wow, that means I'm doing a great job, because he doesn't feel my absence so much."
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sad news ....

what's with these kids today??

BITD we drank coca cola and went to arbys.

- el UF

PA.

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A 287(g) Task Force partner in Tennessee arrested E*** Z*, a criminal illegal alien from Honduras, for speeding and driving without a license.

It turns out, he's wanted in his home nation for his involvement in a 2016 SHOOTING MASSACRE at a billiard hall.

America is NO safe haven for international fugitives, and our 287(g) partnerships help ensure that.
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Viva il Donaldo!!

- el UF

D!

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EXCLUSIVE: While the House successfully moved to rein in lawmakers' stock trading, a California Republican is targeting what she says is another avenue for congressional self-enrichment, citing members whose wealth has multiplied over the years.

Rep. Young Kim's Stop Congressional Self-Enrichment Resolution comes after a successful GOP-led effort in July that imposed restrictions on stock purchases and requires several days' notice before stock sales. It also comes as Americans across the political spectrum remain frustrated by many lawmakers' rapidly growing wealth while in public office.

"It could be earmarking a nonprofit organization where a member's spouse sits on the board of directors or board of trustees, so it will indirectly benefit the family. Or it could earmark for a park at, let's say apartment building that a member or member's spouse or member's children owns," Kim told Fox News Digital.
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- el UF

D!

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Federal prosecutors filed 264 new immigration and immigration-related criminal cases across West and Central Texas in one week, including charges against alleged alien smugglers and illegal aliens with prior convictions for child sex crimes, robbery, drunken driving and aggravated assault, the U.S. Attorney's Office announced Friday. The Western District of Texas filed the cases from ...
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Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

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I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

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Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

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There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

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We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

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Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

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He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

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Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

Looks like Fox News may be standing in solidarity with CNN, Politico, and MSNOW.

Bryan Boughton, who runs the Fox News Washington bureau and is the current TV pool chair, says in an email; ”This is to advise that, effective today, the TV pool will not be covering events designated as pool coverage of the President.”

“This follows the White House’s position…

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) September 21, 2026

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Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

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I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

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Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

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There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

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We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

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Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

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He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

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Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

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LMAO. You truly think Biden respected the 3 branches???

That is funny.

Same guy who said he isn't a leftist

Lefties are fkn delusional

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ys,

Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

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I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

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Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

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There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

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We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

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Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

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He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

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Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

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LMAO. You truly think Biden respected the 3 branches???

That is funny.

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Who said anything about Biden? He is ancient history.

I don't bring Biden or Obama up, you guys do. You seem obsessed with him. The only Dem I have spoken positive about was Clinton on the Budget working with Newt and Congress. That is it.

You guys seem to love talking about Biden.

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Same guy who said he isn't a leftist

Lefties are fkn delusional

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I never bring up Socialism. You do an awful lot, you a Closet Socialist? I think so.

Actually, you protest and talk so much about it, what you hiding?

Bro if you would just stay on the pay side as Socalbear so we do not have to hear you bs over here

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Bro if you would just stay on the pay side as Socalbear so we do not have to hear you bs over here

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Hit a nerve, huh?

Don't worry, they will tell you what to believe. What is real and what is not. What to ask questions about and what not. You'll be back in line in no time.

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ys,

Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

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I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

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Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

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There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

---

We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

---

Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

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He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

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Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

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LMAO. You truly think Biden respected the 3 branches???

That is funny.

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Who said anything about Biden? He is ancient history.

I don't bring Biden or Obama up, you guys do. You seem obsessed with him. The only Dem I have spoken positive about was Clinton on the Budget working with Newt and Congress. That is it.

You guys seem to love talking about Biden.

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Sigh... You cant even keep straight what you do say.

I said "we haven't had a president that is more about the 3 branches working together in a long, long time.

Your response was "we are two years out."

In a back and forth talking about how it has been a long time since we had a president do that you inferred we were two years from last having that.

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jobys,

Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

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I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

---

Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

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There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

---

We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

---

Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

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He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

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Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

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LMAO. You truly think Biden respected the 3 branches???

That is funny.

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Who said anything about Biden? He is ancient history.

I don't bring Biden or Obama up, you guys do. You seem obsessed with him. The only Dem I have spoken positive about was Clinton on the Budget working with Newt and Congress. That is it.

You guys seem to love talking about Biden.

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Sigh... You cant even keep straight what you do say.

I said "we haven't had a president that is more about the 3 branches working together in a long, long time.

Your response was "we are two years out."

In a back and forth talking about how it has been a long time since we had a president do that you inferred we were two years from last having that.

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Where did I say Biden?

Don't put your inferences on me. I never said Biden was good, didn't vote for him and don't think he should have been President anymore than Trump, Obama, or W.

Trump has been THE most Authoritarian President in modern history. That doesn't make Biden good. Unless you think so, that is on you.

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jobys,

Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

---

I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

---

Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

---

There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

---

We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

---

Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

---

He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

---

Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

---

LMAO. You truly think Biden respected the 3 branches???

That is funny.

---

Who said anything about Biden? He is ancient history.

I don't bring Biden or Obama up, you guys do. You seem obsessed with him. The only Dem I have spoken positive about was Clinton on the Budget working with Newt and Congress. That is it.

You guys seem to love talking about Biden.

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Sigh... You cant even keep straight what you do say.

I said "we haven't had a president that is more about the 3 branches working together in a long, long time.

Your response was "we are two years out."

In a back and forth talking about how it has been a long time since we had a president do that you inferred we were two years from last having that.

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Where did I say Biden?

Don't put your inferences on me. I never said Biden was good, didn't vote for him and don't think he should have been President anymore than Trump, Obama, or W.

Trump has been THE most Authoritarian President in modern history. That doesn't make Biden good. Unless you think so, that is on you.

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LOL.

Ok bud.

I am just going on where the flow of the conversation went. If you meant something different than that is on you to clarify.


And as bad as Trump is he is not the most authoritarian president in history. FDR still has that one locked down.

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jobys,

Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

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I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

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Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

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There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

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We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

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Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

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He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

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Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

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LMAO. You truly think Biden respected the 3 branches???

That is funny.

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Who said anything about Biden? He is ancient history.

I don't bring Biden or Obama up, you guys do. You seem obsessed with him. The only Dem I have spoken positive about was Clinton on the Budget working with Newt and Congress. That is it.

You guys seem to love talking about Biden.

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Sigh... You cant even keep straight what you do say.

I said "we haven't had a president that is more about the 3 branches working together in a long, long time.

Your response was "we are two years out."

In a back and forth talking about how it has been a long time since we had a president do that you inferred we were two years from last having that.

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Where did I say Biden?

Don't put your inferences on me. I never said Biden was good, didn't vote for him and don't think he should have been President anymore than Trump, Obama, or W.

Trump has been THE most Authoritarian President in modern history. That doesn't make Biden good. Unless you think so, that is on you.

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LOL.

Ok bud.

I am just going on where the flow of the conversation went. If you meant something different than that is on you to clarify.


And as bad as Trump is he is not the most authoritarian president in history. FDR still has that one locked down.

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You have a point. Modern to me is post WW2. But, I agree. FDR was an Emperor. Trump just a King.

Sorry, when your responses get intermixed with Jackson's hard to tell. I apologize if it was not meant that way.

I don't think we have had a good President since the 90's. I would take Bush Sr, Clinton (had the most flaws, but was still a good Administrator we got a lot done on his watch), Reagan, Ford or Eisenhower over the last 25 years. More I learn about Kennedy, I would even go there... They can keep Nixon and Carter

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jobys,

Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

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I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

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Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

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There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

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We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

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Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

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He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

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Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

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LMAO. You truly think Biden respected the 3 branches???

That is funny.

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Who said anything about Biden? He is ancient history.

I don't bring Biden or Obama up, you guys do. You seem obsessed with him. The only Dem I have spoken positive about was Clinton on the Budget working with Newt and Congress. That is it.

You guys seem to love talking about Biden.

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Sigh... You cant even keep straight what you do say.

I said "we haven't had a president that is more about the 3 branches working together in a long, long time.

Your response was "we are two years out."

In a back and forth talking about how it has been a long time since we had a president do that you inferred we were two years from last having that.

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Where did I say Biden?

Don't put your inferences on me. I never said Biden was good, didn't vote for him and don't think he should have been President anymore than Trump, Obama, or W.

Trump has been THE most Authoritarian President in modern history. That doesn't make Biden good. Unless you think so, that is on you.

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LOL.

Ok bud.

I am just going on where the flow of the conversation went. If you meant something different than that is on you to clarify.


And as bad as Trump is he is not the most authoritarian president in history. FDR still has that one locked down.

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You have a point. Modern to me is post WW2. But, I agree. FDR was an Emperor. Trump just a King.

Sorry, when your responses get intermixed with Jackson's hard to tell. I apologize if it was not meant that way.

I don't think we have had a good President since the 90's. I would take Bush Sr, Clinton (had the most flaws, but was still a good Administrator we got a lot done on his watch), Reagan, Ford or Eisenhower over the last 25 years. More I learn about Kennedy, I would even go there... They can keep Nixon and Carter

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Even as a Texan, I believe you need to place LBJ in the keep 'em category. Aside from supporting the Civil Rights Act, he had few redeeming qualities to his administration.

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jobys,

Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

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I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

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Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

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There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

---

We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

---

Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

---

He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

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Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

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Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

---

LMAO. You truly think Biden respected the 3 branches???

That is funny.

---

Who said anything about Biden? He is ancient history.

I don't bring Biden or Obama up, you guys do. You seem obsessed with him. The only Dem I have spoken positive about was Clinton on the Budget working with Newt and Congress. That is it.

You guys seem to love talking about Biden.

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Sigh... You cant even keep straight what you do say.

I said "we haven't had a president that is more about the 3 branches working together in a long, long time.

Your response was "we are two years out."

In a back and forth talking about how it has been a long time since we had a president do that you inferred we were two years from last having that.

---

Where did I say Biden?

Don't put your inferences on me. I never said Biden was good, didn't vote for him and don't think he should have been President anymore than Trump, Obama, or W.

Trump has been THE most Authoritarian President in modern history. That doesn't make Biden good. Unless you think so, that is on you.

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LOL.

Ok bud.

I am just going on where the flow of the conversation went. If you meant something different than that is on you to clarify.


And as bad as Trump is he is not the most authoritarian president in history. FDR still has that one locked down.

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You have a point. Modern to me is post WW2. But, I agree. FDR was an Emperor. Trump just a King.

Sorry, when your responses get intermixed with Jackson's hard to tell. I apologize if it was not meant that way.

I don't think we have had a good President since the 90's. I would take Bush Sr, Clinton (had the most flaws, but was still a good Administrator we got a lot done on his watch), Reagan, Ford or Eisenhower over the last 25 years. More I learn about Kennedy, I would even go there... They can keep Nixon and Carter

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Even as a Texan, I believe you need to place LBJ in the keep 'em category. Aside from supporting the Civil Rights Act, he had few redeeming qualities to his administration.

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I just left him out!

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jobys,

Trump running on lower gas prices and no more foreign wars and then starting a war with Iran that literallly everyone except Pete Hegseth knew was going to be a quagmire has to be on the shortlist for dumbest political blunders in American history. https://t.co/ihXsPYWIlF

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 18, 2026

---

I have been saying it for months and months but the Republicans are going to get trounced in November. People are voting with their wallets not their 401s. The economy sucks unless you are already rich and getting richer off the high prices.

And Trump will blame everyone but himself.

Then we will get 2 years of him crying on social media because he can't get anything done and the Dems will try to impeach him every other month. So nothing will get done at any branch of government for 2 years.

On a plus side, hopefully the Dems trying to play lawfare against Trump will cause everyone to want to get rid of them and we can get a sane R back in the White House.

---

Sane R??? There are none left. They are now all Independents or out of politics. Trump did long term damage to the GOP. They brow beat all the rational people out. We may get an Independent.

---

There are plenty left. They just keep mostly quite right now. But that will change once Trump is lame duck. They will start to speak out against him.

Desantis is the first to come to mind.

---

We do not want DeSantis as President. Great job with COVID, good on the operations. Competent, intelligent and driven. But, Authoritarian and vindictive as hell.

You want one person in each Department having 100% power, he is the guy. If you want the checks and balances, no way.

---

Disagree. I think most of it is show. He would t be anywhere near as vindictive or spiteful as Trump.

---

He is my Governor and I voted for him twice. Thought he did a great job with COVID, but he also has some warts. I am not sure I want him as President. Hope he doesn't run. I like him, I met him. I want a President that is more about the three branches working together, not 1 person knows best.

---

Good luck with that. We haven't had that type of president in a long, long time.

---

Yeah, we are 2 years out. Let's start from the ideal and go from there. No Spec Ops people in positions of power... That doesn't end well.

---

LMAO. You truly think Biden respected the 3 branches???

That is funny.

---

Who said anything about Biden? He is ancient history.

I don't bring Biden or Obama up, you guys do. You seem obsessed with him. The only Dem I have spoken positive about was Clinton on the Budget working with Newt and Congress. That is it.

You guys seem to love talking about Biden.

---

Sigh... You cant even keep straight what you do say.

I said "we haven't had a president that is more about the 3 branches working together in a long, long time.

Your response was "we are two years out."

In a back and forth talking about how it has been a long time since we had a president do that you inferred we were two years from last having that.

---

Where did I say Biden?

Don't put your inferences on me. I never said Biden was good, didn't vote for him and don't think he should have been President anymore than Trump, Obama, or W.

Trump has been THE most Authoritarian President in modern history. That doesn't make Biden good. Unless you think so, that is on you.

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LOL.

Ok bud.

I am just going on where the flow of the conversation went. If you meant something different than that is on you to clarify.


And as bad as Trump is he is not the most authoritarian president in history. FDR still has that one locked down.

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You have a point. Modern to me is post WW2. But, I agree. FDR was an Emperor. Trump just a King.

Sorry, when your responses get intermixed with Jackson's hard to tell. I apologize if it was not meant that way.

I don't think we have had a good President since the 90's. I would take Bush Sr, Clinton (had the most flaws, but was still a good Administrator we got a lot done on his watch), Reagan, Ford or Eisenhower over the last 25 years. More I learn about Kennedy, I would even go there... They can keep Nixon and Carter

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Clinton was good at maintaining the status quo but in terms of doing anything he really didn't do much. Especially nothing that was unique or pushed the country forward. I think that is why as more time goes on he sort of drops on the list of rankings.

Nixon would be the opposite for me. He did lots of good things that are overshadowed by his mix ups.

Not sure what you mean by over the last 25 years and then list presidents from 38 years or more ago....... Maybe it is just showing your age in that you think Reagan was president just 25 years ago...... Just kidding.

I would say that Bush had plenty of good things as well that are overshadowed by his complete botching of the war on terror.

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We don't need the media...we got Trump TV to keep us updated on what's going on

IT'S LIVE. 📺🦅

TRUMP TV IS STREAMING NOW. 24/7, updated in real time, with top past moments, announcements, and the latest and greatest from the administration all in one place.

Not every big moment has made it on your tv, now it can.

📲 https://t.co/3KwWkBZ69m pic.twitter.com/g4v7n2J04s

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) September 21, 2026

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The ministry of truth lives.

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