Prior to inauguration, J6 hostages were moved to random places

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sombear said:

Redbrickbear said:

sombear said:

Redbrickbear said:

[the testimony of Michael Shane Daughtry, who was arrested for being present at the January 6 attack. It is pure police state stuff. (If you don't want to go to X to read it, check it out here in one place via ThreadReader). If true in its details, then the feds' reaction to J6, at least in his case, is a greater source of concern than the attack itself. The key thing to look at here is that for the first time I can think of, many people on the Right have lost faith in the police and the judiciary. As a London man told me over the weekend (see below), the rape-gang scandal in Britain has caused many British people, for the first time in memory, to lose confidence in the justice system that is, in the police and the judiciary.] -Rod Dreher

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[When I asked about my 6th Amendment right to a speedy trial, I was advised by Federal Court Judge Randolph D. Moss that the Sixth Amendment had been suspended due to Covid-19 and the large number of arrest made from the January 6th incident. The Sixth Amendment also gives me the right to a Fair Trial, does this mean I didn't have the right to a fair trail either? I'm not sure how a Federal Court Judge can legally suspend one of the Bill of Rights.
In June 2022, I was told by prosecutors that I could plea guilty to Trespassing on the Grass or face going to court in Washington DC on several other (made up) felony charges that they knew I had not committed. So because I had no chance of a fair trail and facing several false charges, I was forced to plead guilty to Trespassing on the Restricted West Lawn. My plea agreement stated the maximum amount of probation I could receive would be one year but for this non violent misdemeanor crime, I was sentenced to:

1: Two additional months of House Arrest with Location Monitoring for a total of 18 months.

2: Three additional years of Supervised Federal Probation with travel restrictions for a total of 4 years and 8 months of Supervised Federal Probation even though the plea agreement I had signed stated a maximum of 1 year probation.

3: Firearm Confiscation and Restrictions in clear violation of my 2nd amendment rights.

4: Mandatory random drug testing even though I have no drug history. I have passed all these tests.

5: Mandatory mental health evaluation, even though I have no mental health history. I passed this test.

6: $525.00 in restitution for damage to the Capital Building even though I never entered or even touched the Capital Building. I paid this fine.

7: 60 hours of community service. I completed all the community service.

After my sentencing, my home was again searched by a Federal Probation Agent who searched backpacks, closed closets, closed drawers, including my girlfriends underwear drawers even though they had a court order advising that Probation Agents could only take illegal items that are "In Plain Sight".

My home has now been searched 7 times in 4 years. It's been searched by the FBI, the Federal Marshalls, the DOJ, and Federal Probation several times.

Everyone always come wearing SWAT vests and heavily armed even though the only crime I've ever been accused of is illegally walking on the grass....]
A large number of J6-ers were treated unfairly.

He's not one of them. He's flat lying in this story. He did a lot more than stand in grass. He was part of one of the first groups to storm but backed off when hit with rubber bullets. His own social media posts were his worst enemy. The judge treated him very well, even took into consideration his difficult upbringing. And prosecutors did not renege on the plea deal.

So he never entered the Capitol and never assaulted any cops

(And he has ZERO criminal history and was a police officer)

They also let him plead to a low level offense

Why does that make all the other things they did to him right?

Read the list....its amazing and sickening


He could have spent a year in jail and paid 100k, among other things. His social media posts and what he said on the phone to his fellow police officer were really bad. Nobody violated his plea agreement, and half the things he said are inconsistent with his court filing. I don't even know if all these things are true. But, even if they are, they would not be all that unusual in exchange for no prison time and a low fine.
Redbrick is correct. You are glossing over a lot of egregious violations of his constitutional rights, just because he participated in activities protected by the 1st Amendment (speech, assembly that you find distasteful. That a riot broke out and he stepped outside of a rope line (that's all they could charge him with) does not entitle the government to repeatedly contrive reasons to search & seize his property for the purpose of catching him in additional frivolous/technical violations of law/court order, hoping to find grounds keep stacking on time to his sentence JUST BECAUSE OF HIS POLITICAL VIEWS.
Did the Biden admin treat illegal immigrants this way?

There was a time when the left would have condemned such activity by courts & law enforcement. Now they are the ones doing it. Organized crime kingpins are not subjected to the kind of scrutiny this guy got. Courts would never allow it. but political conservatives are fair game.

We are watching "repressive tolerance" be applied by the left to the right, not for the defense of liberty but of the left's own hegemony. The right cannot be allowed the same degree of liberties as the left, because the left is good and the right is bad.

"...I suggested in 'Repressive Tolerance' the practice of discriminating tolerance in an inverse direction, as a means of shifting the balance between Right and Left by restraining the liberty of the Right, thus counteracting the pervasive inequality of freedom (unequal opportunity of access to the means of democratic persuasion) and strengthening the oppressed against the oppressed. Tolerance would be restricted with respect to movements of a demonstrably aggressive or destructive character (destructive of the prospects for peace, justice, and freedom for all). Such discrimination would also be applied to movements opposing the extension of social legislation to the poor, weak, disabled. As against the virulent denunciations that such a policy would do away with the sacred liberalistic principle of equality for 'the other side', I maintain that there are issues where either there is no 'other side' in any more than a formalistic sense, or where 'the other side' is demonstrably 'regressive' and impedes possible improvement of the human condition...."
-Herbert Marcuse, "Repressive Tolerance"

If we ever normalize that way of thinking, the Republic is done for. It could even devolved to a point where a sitting administration attempts to win elections by launching myriad prosecutions against its political rivals in order to discredit them, to diminish their resources, to generate helpful media narratives.
Oh, wait......

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Look, there are hundreds of sympathetic cases. I just think it's silly to highlight his. Just do some quick research. This guy was out of control and bragged about it.

Nothing at all unconstitutional, not even close. He accepted a plea deal knowing the judge had considerable discretion in the sentencing. The judge went easy on him and gave 90& of what his attorneys argued in their sentencing memo. And nothing issued was outside the guidelines.

There are guys who did actual time who did less than this jerk, yet this jerk is complaining about it after accepting a plea deal.
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Harrison Bergeron
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Dear Authoritarian Fascists - when you refuse to prosecute Burners Looters and Murderers and your god Saint Joe Biden pardons child killers and cop murdered ... you're terrorists disguised as bureaucrats..
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ScottS said:

Porteroso said:

Unfortunately, any miscarriage of justice will get overlooked by many because the violent rioters were also pardoned.

I don't recall any BLM or Antifa getting pardons.

Most weren't even prosecuted. They literally got away with rape, theft, and murder because the Soros funded DA's chose not to prosecute or to give them a slap on the wrist. We mustn't forget that the fascists were also behind the idiotic "defund the police" campaign. Several major cities turned on their police because of a few allegedly bad actors & even Derek Chauvin might not be the bad actor they portrayed him.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Dear Authoritarian Fascists - when you refuse to prosecute Burners Looters and Murderers and your god Saint Joe Biden pardons child killers and cop murdered ... you're terrorists disguised as bureaucrats..

… and we have no reason to take anything you say seriously.

Such people have zero credibility or moral authority.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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sombear said:

Look, there are hundreds of sympathetic cases. I just think it's silly to highlight his. Just do some quick research. This guy was out of control and bragged about it.

Nothing at all unconstitutional, not even close. He accepted a plea deal knowing the judge had considerable discretion in the sentencing. The judge went easy on him and gave 90& of what his attorneys argued in their sentencing memo. And nothing issued was outside the guidelines.

There are guys who did actual time who did less than this jerk, yet this jerk is complaining about it after accepting a plea deal.
What happens when the prosecutor thinks you're a jerk?

"Would I want to be treated like this" is an important calculation for citizens & leaders to pause & reflect upon in law enforcement, particularly when political speech or assembly is involved. No one should have been subjected to what that guy went thru, not even the manifestly guilty.
Porteroso
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Porteroso said:

Unfortunately, any miscarriage of justice will get overlooked by many because the violent rioters were also pardoned.
This is true.

Had Trump decided to pause the "clemency" for any violent ones and have his attorney general review each one, then it'd have been a better approach. Could easily have reduced sentences and house arrests etc. The AG could easily have made the case that similar minor "violent" infractions typically resulted in 3 to 5 years (I'm making numbers up for discussion) or at least given examples of similar protestors let off easy.

Really wish he had approached it differently because the optics are bad and clouds the message as you've said. I think of all the protestors' "violent" actions combined that what the government did is worse, killing a lady just to kill her.
Agreed.

I have not really read up on much of the details ... how many truly, legitimate violent protesters were there?

However, when the Democrats refused to prosecute the fascists of the burn loot murder and Pardon Joe pardoned child and cop killers, the butthurt over the "violent" January 6th protesters gets mostly an eyeroll from me.
Yep, same here. Port's post is spot on from an "optics" perspective. Could have been handled better. Now his pardons don't look any better than Biden's to the casual thinker/voter.
The optics are always going to be bad regardless of what happens ... remember, this is a Democrat noise machine that told us:

1. The Russia Hoax was real
2. Stacey Abrams was elected governor of Georgia
3. Hunter's laptop was false
4. Trump banned Muslims
5. Florida banned saying gay
6. The Covington kids attacked a peaceful Indian
7. Juicy Smalls was attacked by Trump supporters
8. Donald Trump raped some old broad

They live in an anti-intellectual, anti-fact echo chamber. The optics always will look bad - real or they'll make it up.

That is just not true. Several police unions have come out and condemned both Trump and Biden's pardons of people convicted of assaulting police officers. They have correctly called out the hypocrisy of claiming you are the party of the rule of law (both parties claim this now) and then pardoning people who assault cops.

It is one thing for a talking head to say a thing, but when the police are saying they are disappointed, a lot of conservatives will take note. Pardoning the violent insurrectionists, including the ones who represent an ongoing threat to democracy, like the guys who planned to bring guns, is a bad look. And it is clearly wrong, optics aside.
You're not a serious person.

Here are actual threats to democracy.

- Using Russian disinformation to undermine a democratically elected president
- Removing a democratically elected presidential candidate for no reason
- Colluding with tech companies to president only narrow information that aligns with regime talking points and punish anyone with diverse opinions
- Claiming a woman who was not elected was the real governor of Georgia

Some of the militias groups were had talked of sedition for weeks leading up to J6. They were prepared to bring in a bunch of guns. I'm not sure why tgey did not, but during sentencing of 1 in particular, the judge noted that the guy was an ongoing threat to democracy. I'm paraphrasing, but yeah there were some real nut jobs out there.

And let me clarify that there were likely 10 or 20 people who would have been willing to do a lot of killing at the insurrection. The rest were just common criminals who were not going to do more than push and hit a cop or 2, yell loudly, and try to find Nancy Pelosi.
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Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Porteroso said:

Unfortunately, any miscarriage of justice will get overlooked by many because the violent rioters were also pardoned.
This is true.

Had Trump decided to pause the "clemency" for any violent ones and have his attorney general review each one, then it'd have been a better approach. Could easily have reduced sentences and house arrests etc. The AG could easily have made the case that similar minor "violent" infractions typically resulted in 3 to 5 years (I'm making numbers up for discussion) or at least given examples of similar protestors let off easy.

Really wish he had approached it differently because the optics are bad and clouds the message as you've said. I think of all the protestors' "violent" actions combined that what the government did is worse, killing a lady just to kill her.
Agreed.

I have not really read up on much of the details ... how many truly, legitimate violent protesters were there?

However, when the Democrats refused to prosecute the fascists of the burn loot murder and Pardon Joe pardoned child and cop killers, the butthurt over the "violent" January 6th protesters gets mostly an eyeroll from me.
Yep, same here. Port's post is spot on from an "optics" perspective. Could have been handled better. Now his pardons don't look any better than Biden's to the casual thinker/voter.
The optics are always going to be bad regardless of what happens ... remember, this is a Democrat noise machine that told us:

1. The Russia Hoax was real
2. Stacey Abrams was elected governor of Georgia
3. Hunter's laptop was false
4. Trump banned Muslims
5. Florida banned saying gay
6. The Covington kids attacked a peaceful Indian
7. Juicy Smalls was attacked by Trump supporters
8. Donald Trump raped some old broad

They live in an anti-intellectual, anti-fact echo chamber. The optics always will look bad - real or they'll make it up.

That is just not true. Several police unions have come out and condemned both Trump and Biden's pardons of people convicted of assaulting police officers. They have correctly called out the hypocrisy of claiming you are the party of the rule of law (both parties claim this now) and then pardoning people who assault cops.

It is one thing for a talking head to say a thing, but when the police are saying they are disappointed, a lot of conservatives will take note. Pardoning the violent insurrectionists, including the ones who represent an ongoing threat to democracy, like the guys who planned to bring guns, is a bad look. And it is clearly wrong, optics aside.
You're not a serious person.

Here are actual threats to democracy.

- Using Russian disinformation to undermine a democratically elected president
- Removing a democratically elected presidential candidate for no reason
- Colluding with tech companies to president only narrow information that aligns with regime talking points and punish anyone with diverse opinions
- Claiming a woman who was not elected was the real governor of Georgia

Some of the militias groups were had talked of sedition for weeks leading up to J6. They were prepared to bring in a bunch of guns. I'm not sure why tgey did not, but during sentencing of 1 in particular, the judge noted that the guy was an ongoing threat to democracy. I'm paraphrasing, but yeah there were some real nut jobs out there.

And let me clarify that there were likely 10 or 20 people who would have been willing to do a lot of killing at the insurrection demonstration. The rest were just common criminals who were not going to do more than push and hit a cop or 2, yell loudly, and try to find Nancy Pelosi.
10 or 20 people who "would have been willing" to do a little killing at an insurrection demonstration but neither showed up nor supplied weapons to anyone who did is not very much of a threat to our Republic.

Stop it with the Reichstag Fire Hoax, please. There was no insurrection on J6. The narrative that there was is more divisive than any other narrative in my lifeline, if for no other reason than it propelled a hoax that led one party to believe it was justified in turning the federal law enforcement & intelligence apparatus against their political opponents.
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Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Porteroso said:

Unfortunately, any miscarriage of justice will get overlooked by many because the violent rioters were also pardoned.
This is true.

Had Trump decided to pause the "clemency" for any violent ones and have his attorney general review each one, then it'd have been a better approach. Could easily have reduced sentences and house arrests etc. The AG could easily have made the case that similar minor "violent" infractions typically resulted in 3 to 5 years (I'm making numbers up for discussion) or at least given examples of similar protestors let off easy.

Really wish he had approached it differently because the optics are bad and clouds the message as you've said. I think of all the protestors' "violent" actions combined that what the government did is worse, killing a lady just to kill her.
Agreed.

I have not really read up on much of the details ... how many truly, legitimate violent protesters were there?

However, when the Democrats refused to prosecute the fascists of the burn loot murder and Pardon Joe pardoned child and cop killers, the butthurt over the "violent" January 6th protesters gets mostly an eyeroll from me.
Yep, same here. Port's post is spot on from an "optics" perspective. Could have been handled better. Now his pardons don't look any better than Biden's to the casual thinker/voter.
The optics are always going to be bad regardless of what happens ... remember, this is a Democrat noise machine that told us:

1. The Russia Hoax was real
2. Stacey Abrams was elected governor of Georgia
3. Hunter's laptop was false
4. Trump banned Muslims
5. Florida banned saying gay
6. The Covington kids attacked a peaceful Indian
7. Juicy Smalls was attacked by Trump supporters
8. Donald Trump raped some old broad

They live in an anti-intellectual, anti-fact echo chamber. The optics always will look bad - real or they'll make it up.

That is just not true. Several police unions have come out and condemned both Trump and Biden's pardons of people convicted of assaulting police officers. They have correctly called out the hypocrisy of claiming you are the party of the rule of law (both parties claim this now) and then pardoning people who assault cops.

It is one thing for a talking head to say a thing, but when the police are saying they are disappointed, a lot of conservatives will take note. Pardoning the violent insurrectionists, including the ones who represent an ongoing threat to democracy, like the guys who planned to bring guns, is a bad look. And it is clearly wrong, optics aside.
You're not a serious person.

Here are actual threats to democracy.

- Using Russian disinformation to undermine a democratically elected president
- Removing a democratically elected presidential candidate for no reason
- Colluding with tech companies to president only narrow information that aligns with regime talking points and punish anyone with diverse opinions
- Claiming a woman who was not elected was the real governor of Georgia

Some of the militias groups were had talked of sedition for weeks leading up to J6. They were prepared to bring in a bunch of guns..


Then why did they NOT bring their guns with them?

You telling me the most armed population in the world and this scary Militia guys you hate did not bring any weapons got their "coup against the government"

If I try to overthrow the government I am bringing at least 1 of my 15 guns with me



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whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Porteroso said:

Unfortunately, any miscarriage of justice will get overlooked by many because the violent rioters were also pardoned.
This is true.

Had Trump decided to pause the "clemency" for any violent ones and have his attorney general review each one, then it'd have been a better approach. Could easily have reduced sentences and house arrests etc. The AG could easily have made the case that similar minor "violent" infractions typically resulted in 3 to 5 years (I'm making numbers up for discussion) or at least given examples of similar protestors let off easy.

Really wish he had approached it differently because the optics are bad and clouds the message as you've said. I think of all the protestors' "violent" actions combined that what the government did is worse, killing a lady just to kill her.
Agreed.

I have not really read up on much of the details ... how many truly, legitimate violent protesters were there?

However, when the Democrats refused to prosecute the fascists of the burn loot murder and Pardon Joe pardoned child and cop killers, the butthurt over the "violent" January 6th protesters gets mostly an eyeroll from me.
Yep, same here. Port's post is spot on from an "optics" perspective. Could have been handled better. Now his pardons don't look any better than Biden's to the casual thinker/voter.
The optics are always going to be bad regardless of what happens ... remember, this is a Democrat noise machine that told us:

1. The Russia Hoax was real
2. Stacey Abrams was elected governor of Georgia
3. Hunter's laptop was false
4. Trump banned Muslims
5. Florida banned saying gay
6. The Covington kids attacked a peaceful Indian
7. Juicy Smalls was attacked by Trump supporters
8. Donald Trump raped some old broad

They live in an anti-intellectual, anti-fact echo chamber. The optics always will look bad - real or they'll make it up.

That is just not true. Several police unions have come out and condemned both Trump and Biden's pardons of people convicted of assaulting police officers. They have correctly called out the hypocrisy of claiming you are the party of the rule of law (both parties claim this now) and then pardoning people who assault cops.

It is one thing for a talking head to say a thing, but when the police are saying they are disappointed, a lot of conservatives will take note. Pardoning the violent insurrectionists, including the ones who represent an ongoing threat to democracy, like the guys who planned to bring guns, is a bad look. And it is clearly wrong, optics aside.
You're not a serious person.

Here are actual threats to democracy.

- Using Russian disinformation to undermine a democratically elected president
- Removing a democratically elected presidential candidate for no reason
- Colluding with tech companies to president only narrow information that aligns with regime talking points and punish anyone with diverse opinions
- Claiming a woman who was not elected was the real governor of Georgia

Some of the militias groups were had talked of sedition for weeks leading up to J6. They were prepared to bring in a bunch of guns. I'm not sure why tgey did not, but during sentencing of 1 in particular, the judge noted that the guy was an ongoing threat to democracy. I'm paraphrasing, but yeah there were some real nut jobs out there.

And let me clarify that there were likely 10 or 20 people who would have been willing to do a lot of killing at the insurrection demonstration. The rest were just common criminals who were not going to do more than push and hit a cop or 2, yell loudly, and try to find Nancy Pelosi.
10 or 20 people who "would have been willing" to do a little killing at an insurrection demonstration but neither showed up nor supplied weapons to anyone who did is not very much of a threat to our Republic.

Stop it with the Reichstag Fire Hoax, please. There was no insurrection on J6. The narrative that there was is more divisive than any other narrative in my lifeline, if for no other reason than it propelled a hoax that led one party to believe it was justified in turning the federal law enforcement & intelligence apparatus against their political opponents.

lol, just such an idiot take. 10 or 20 would have been willing ????

You claim there was an insurrection.

You claim they would have been willing.

Yet they didn't. So your point is so stupid, because if they really intended to kill people, they most certainly would have been better prepared.

BTW, if these were BLM rioters, what would your estimation be as to how many "would be willing to do a lot of killing"? Please name the number of black people you plan on accusing of being willing to do mass murder in the name of politics and justice. So what's the number?
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Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Porteroso said:

Unfortunately, any miscarriage of justice will get overlooked by many because the violent rioters were also pardoned.
This is true.

Had Trump decided to pause the "clemency" for any violent ones and have his attorney general review each one, then it'd have been a better approach. Could easily have reduced sentences and house arrests etc. The AG could easily have made the case that similar minor "violent" infractions typically resulted in 3 to 5 years (I'm making numbers up for discussion) or at least given examples of similar protestors let off easy.

Really wish he had approached it differently because the optics are bad and clouds the message as you've said. I think of all the protestors' "violent" actions combined that what the government did is worse, killing a lady just to kill her.
Agreed.

I have not really read up on much of the details ... how many truly, legitimate violent protesters were there?

However, when the Democrats refused to prosecute the fascists of the burn loot murder and Pardon Joe pardoned child and cop killers, the butthurt over the "violent" January 6th protesters gets mostly an eyeroll from me.
Yep, same here. Port's post is spot on from an "optics" perspective. Could have been handled better. Now his pardons don't look any better than Biden's to the casual thinker/voter.
The optics are always going to be bad regardless of what happens ... remember, this is a Democrat noise machine that told us:

1. The Russia Hoax was real
2. Stacey Abrams was elected governor of Georgia
3. Hunter's laptop was false
4. Trump banned Muslims
5. Florida banned saying gay
6. The Covington kids attacked a peaceful Indian
7. Juicy Smalls was attacked by Trump supporters
8. Donald Trump raped some old broad

They live in an anti-intellectual, anti-fact echo chamber. The optics always will look bad - real or they'll make it up.

That is just not true. Several police unions have come out and condemned both Trump and Biden's pardons of people convicted of assaulting police officers. They have correctly called out the hypocrisy of claiming you are the party of the rule of law (both parties claim this now) and then pardoning people who assault cops.

It is one thing for a talking head to say a thing, but when the police are saying they are disappointed, a lot of conservatives will take note. Pardoning the violent insurrectionists, including the ones who represent an ongoing threat to democracy, like the guys who planned to bring guns, is a bad look. And it is clearly wrong, optics aside.
You're not a serious person.

Here are actual threats to democracy.

- Using Russian disinformation to undermine a democratically elected president
- Removing a democratically elected presidential candidate for no reason
- Colluding with tech companies to president only narrow information that aligns with regime talking points and punish anyone with diverse opinions
- Claiming a woman who was not elected was the real governor of Georgia


And let me clarify that there were likely 10 or 20 people who would have been willing to do a lot of killing at the insurrection.


Think this through kiddo.

If 10-20 super villains were willing and ready to kill….why didn't they bring guns, bombs or start fires ?

Where were their explosives ?

Exactly how were unarmed old folks going to overthrow the government of the United States ?

Try to think rationally.

Harrison Bergeron
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KaiBear said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Porteroso said:

Unfortunately, any miscarriage of justice will get overlooked by many because the violent rioters were also pardoned.
This is true.

Had Trump decided to pause the "clemency" for any violent ones and have his attorney general review each one, then it'd have been a better approach. Could easily have reduced sentences and house arrests etc. The AG could easily have made the case that similar minor "violent" infractions typically resulted in 3 to 5 years (I'm making numbers up for discussion) or at least given examples of similar protestors let off easy.

Really wish he had approached it differently because the optics are bad and clouds the message as you've said. I think of all the protestors' "violent" actions combined that what the government did is worse, killing a lady just to kill her.
Agreed.

I have not really read up on much of the details ... how many truly, legitimate violent protesters were there?

However, when the Democrats refused to prosecute the fascists of the burn loot murder and Pardon Joe pardoned child and cop killers, the butthurt over the "violent" January 6th protesters gets mostly an eyeroll from me.
Yep, same here. Port's post is spot on from an "optics" perspective. Could have been handled better. Now his pardons don't look any better than Biden's to the casual thinker/voter.
The optics are always going to be bad regardless of what happens ... remember, this is a Democrat noise machine that told us:

1. The Russia Hoax was real
2. Stacey Abrams was elected governor of Georgia
3. Hunter's laptop was false
4. Trump banned Muslims
5. Florida banned saying gay
6. The Covington kids attacked a peaceful Indian
7. Juicy Smalls was attacked by Trump supporters
8. Donald Trump raped some old broad

They live in an anti-intellectual, anti-fact echo chamber. The optics always will look bad - real or they'll make it up.

That is just not true. Several police unions have come out and condemned both Trump and Biden's pardons of people convicted of assaulting police officers. They have correctly called out the hypocrisy of claiming you are the party of the rule of law (both parties claim this now) and then pardoning people who assault cops.

It is one thing for a talking head to say a thing, but when the police are saying they are disappointed, a lot of conservatives will take note. Pardoning the violent insurrectionists, including the ones who represent an ongoing threat to democracy, like the guys who planned to bring guns, is a bad look. And it is clearly wrong, optics aside.
You're not a serious person.

Here are actual threats to democracy.

- Using Russian disinformation to undermine a democratically elected president
- Removing a democratically elected presidential candidate for no reason
- Colluding with tech companies to president only narrow information that aligns with regime talking points and punish anyone with diverse opinions
- Claiming a woman who was not elected was the real governor of Georgia


And let me clarify that there were likely 10 or 20 people who would have been willing to do a lot of killing at the insurrection.


Think this through kiddo.

If 10-20 super villains were willing and ready to kill….why didn't they bring guns, bombs or start fires ?

Where were their explosives ?

Exactly how were unarmed old folks going to overthrow the government of the United States ?

Try to think rationally.
You sir, ask the impossible.
Harrison Bergeron
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Honestly, the greatest Trump Troll would be to make January 6th a National Holiday.
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whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Porteroso said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Porteroso said:

Unfortunately, any miscarriage of justice will get overlooked by many because the violent rioters were also pardoned.
This is true.

Had Trump decided to pause the "clemency" for any violent ones and have his attorney general review each one, then it'd have been a better approach. Could easily have reduced sentences and house arrests etc. The AG could easily have made the case that similar minor "violent" infractions typically resulted in 3 to 5 years (I'm making numbers up for discussion) or at least given examples of similar protestors let off easy.

Really wish he had approached it differently because the optics are bad and clouds the message as you've said. I think of all the protestors' "violent" actions combined that what the government did is worse, killing a lady just to kill her.
Agreed.

I have not really read up on much of the details ... how many truly, legitimate violent protesters were there?

However, when the Democrats refused to prosecute the fascists of the burn loot murder and Pardon Joe pardoned child and cop killers, the butthurt over the "violent" January 6th protesters gets mostly an eyeroll from me.
Yep, same here. Port's post is spot on from an "optics" perspective. Could have been handled better. Now his pardons don't look any better than Biden's to the casual thinker/voter.
The optics are always going to be bad regardless of what happens ... remember, this is a Democrat noise machine that told us:

1. The Russia Hoax was real
2. Stacey Abrams was elected governor of Georgia
3. Hunter's laptop was false
4. Trump banned Muslims
5. Florida banned saying gay
6. The Covington kids attacked a peaceful Indian
7. Juicy Smalls was attacked by Trump supporters
8. Donald Trump raped some old broad

They live in an anti-intellectual, anti-fact echo chamber. The optics always will look bad - real or they'll make it up.

That is just not true. Several police unions have come out and condemned both Trump and Biden's pardons of people convicted of assaulting police officers. They have correctly called out the hypocrisy of claiming you are the party of the rule of law (both parties claim this now) and then pardoning people who assault cops.

It is one thing for a talking head to say a thing, but when the police are saying they are disappointed, a lot of conservatives will take note. Pardoning the violent insurrectionists, including the ones who represent an ongoing threat to democracy, like the guys who planned to bring guns, is a bad look. And it is clearly wrong, optics aside.
You're not a serious person.

Here are actual threats to democracy.

- Using Russian disinformation to undermine a democratically elected president
- Removing a democratically elected presidential candidate for no reason
- Colluding with tech companies to president only narrow information that aligns with regime talking points and punish anyone with diverse opinions
- Claiming a woman who was not elected was the real governor of Georgia

Some of the militias groups were had talked of sedition for weeks leading up to J6. They were prepared to bring in a bunch of guns. I'm not sure why tgey did not, but during sentencing of 1 in particular, the judge noted that the guy was an ongoing threat to democracy. I'm paraphrasing, but yeah there were some real nut jobs out there.

And let me clarify that there were likely 10 or 20 people who would have been willing to do a lot of killing at the insurrection demonstration. The rest were just common criminals who were not going to do more than push and hit a cop or 2, yell loudly, and try to find Nancy Pelosi.
10 or 20 people who "would have been willing" to do a little killing at an insurrection demonstration but neither showed up nor supplied weapons to anyone who did is not very much of a threat to our Republic.

Stop it with the Reichstag Fire Hoax, please. There was no insurrection on J6. The narrative that there was is more divisive than any other narrative in my lifeline, if for no other reason than it propelled a hoax that led one party to believe it was justified in turning the federal law enforcement & intelligence apparatus against their political opponents.



The "insurrection" took place indoors after the theatrics ended when Congress certified a stolen election. In that sense, there was an insurrection. As the historical Reichstag fire was almost certainly caused by the new regime, there is a real comparison but in the reverse: the FBI, CIA, Capitol Police, & other fascist operatives instigated the violence & chaos for the express purpose of creating the political narrative. In that sense it is valid. Think of them as brown shirts or black shirts (like BLM & Antifa in 2020). So the government used extreme, illegitimate legal procedures, ignoring the constitution, to railroad their victims and treat them horribly ever since.

We will probably never get any kind of acknowledgment from anyone in the Left of what really happened. They will maintain the false narrative indefinitely as a tool to manipulate the public and gain power. It's just like the climate cult, the Trans cult, & the vax. They won't let the truth get in the way of anything they can manipulate to gain power.

That's what fascists do.
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