Tragic air crash

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Jacques Strap
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Same pilot?
Lots of questions.
Lots of rumors.

Harrison Bergeron
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Jo Ellis was not the pilot.

Be better than BlueAnon.
Jacques Strap
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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/30/business/air-traffic-control-staffing-plane-crash.html

Staffing Was 'Not Normal' at Reagan Airport Tower, According to F.A.A. Report

The report, reviewed by The New York Times, said that one controller was communicating with both helicopters and planes. Those jobs are typically assigned to two people, not one.
Mothra
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Jacques Strap said:

Same pilot?
Lots of questions.
Lots of rumors.


My pilot friend told me this, and said it was the same crew (though I am not sure how he knows).

This is the first time I've seen this reported.
Mothra
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Jo Ellis was not the pilot.

Be better than BlueAnon.
Oh brother. Fake news.

Thanks.
muddybrazos
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Jo Ellis was not the pilot.

Be better than BlueAnon.
Ok, so post what really happened then. This tran was onboard and was mad at trump and we know trans are suicidal unstable people anyways. It also seems this blackhawk tried to hit 2 other planes before it finally crashed into the AA flight.
Jacques Strap
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Snips from the NY Times updates link below

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/29/us/plane-crash-washington-dc?smid=url-share#plane-crash-reagan-airport-washington-dc

The plane's path: Shortly before the crash, the jet's pilots were asked to pivot their landing route from one runway to another, according to a person briefed on the event and audio recordings of conversations between an air traffic controller and the pilots.

The pilots: The two American Airlines pilots had been flying for years. Robert Isom, the airline's chief executive, stressed their experience but provided no additional details. Two Army officials confirmed that the pilots of the helicopter one woman, one man and a male staff sergeant were killed in the collision.

The duties of handling air traffic control for helicopters and those for planes at Reagan National Airport on Wednesday night were combined before the deadly crash between an Army Black Hawk helicopter and an American Airlines regional jet, according to a person briefed on the staffing and an internal preliminary F.A.A. safety report. That left an air traffic controller handling dual roles, according to the person briefed, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation into the crash.

The military helicopter that collided with an American Airlines regional jet on Wednesday night appears to have been flying too high and outside its approved flight path at the time of the crash, according to four people briefed on the matter but not authorized to speak publicly.

The Army Black Hawk helicopter was supposed to be flying in a different location and lower to the ground as it traversed the busy Reagan National airspace, the people said.
Mothra
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muddybrazos said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jo Ellis was not the pilot.

Be better than BlueAnon.
Ok, so post what really happened then. This tran was onboard and was mad at trump and we know trans are suicidal unstable people anyways. It also seems this blackhawk tried to hit 2 other planes before it finally crashed into the AA flight.
Just read she wasn't even on board, and is alive and well.

*****the fake news ass holes who put this crap out there for clicks, and to stir up descension.
Mitch Blood Green
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Redbrickbear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

historian said:

Biden's FAA was actively recruiting workers from groups who should have been disqualified while illegally discriminating against whites. This is why DEI is important.

https://notthebee.com/article/trump-points-out-the-obvious-the-faa-under-biden-was-actively-recruiting-workers-who-suffer-severe-intellectual-disabilities-psychiatric-problems-and-other-mental-and-physical-conditions-unde


The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is actively recruiting workers who suffer 'severe intellectual' disabilities, psychiatric problems and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency's website.

Where is that discriminating against white people?




Sometimes DEI is not about discriminating against White people and Asians

Sometimes it's about just being idiotic and weird

What you posted is an example of that
Further research shows that this initiative has been in place in support of a law passed in 1973 to encourage hiring of people with disabilities. Furthermore, the website language was in place under Trump 1.

I worked for 10 years with a guy with a mental disability. He'd be a horrible Air Traffic Controller, but he was a fantastic problem solver. He didn't handle stress well; I'd have to manage that. He could work for the FAA but not as an ATC. If there was a system outage or upgrade, he's your guy.

Again, I don't know the FAAs intention as I believe many organizations put policies in place as insurance against lawsuits.
Harrison Bergeron
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muddybrazos said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jo Ellis was not the pilot.

Be better than BlueAnon.
Ok, so post what really happened then. This tran was onboard and was mad at trump and we know trans are suicidal unstable people anyways. It also seems this blackhawk tried to hit 2 other planes before it finally crashed into the AA flight.
I do not know, but posting fake conspiracy theories only discredits the poster is something strange did happen.

I am not a pilot, but I agree it does seem very odd that the helicopter pilot would just fly into a plan and not notice; however, that does not mean it was intentional. It might have been. We don't know. It could have been that the pilot was simply distracted and not paying attention. Yes it seems impossible given how maneuverable that he would not have seen the plane and done something.

The pilots were Andrew Eaves and Ryan O'Hara.

The good news is that with the current administration there is less a chance we'll get a cover up.
trey3216
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muddybrazos said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jo Ellis was not the pilot.

Be better than BlueAnon.
Ok, so post what really happened then. This tran was onboard and was mad at trump and we know trans are suicidal unstable people anyways. It also seems this blackhawk tried to hit 2 other planes before it finally crashed into the AA flight.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ man.
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
Forest Bueller_bf
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Oldbear83 said:

boognish_bear said:

TenBears said:

So we're either of the pilots or the overworked ATC guy DEI people (I.e. black)? That seems sort of relevant if Trump a going to make that statement.


From what I've read all the directly involved people were white...pilots and ATC....but I haven't seen that verified.
My understanding is that the lack of controllers on staff was due to DEI restrictions denying applications by well-qualified white males.

So even if the controllers on site were completely qualified and the color/sex/orientation of your choice, the DEI aspect may still be relevant.
I believe you are right here. The DEI issue is that there are a plethora of qualified competent white males that could be hired, but DEI initiatives meant airlines were below staffing levels at 99% of the air spaces in use, because they couldn't find enough DEI hires to slot for eligible positions.

If this is the actual case, DEI did indeed have all to do with the crash because they were short staffed when the crash occured, and very likely they were always short staffed.

It may not be the incompetence of an individual that caused the crash, it may be incompetence caused by short staffing, caused by DEI intiatives, keeping qualifed white males out of positions that were not properly staffed.



Stefano DiMera
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The supervisor let the other controller go home early.

Not DEI as anyone with common sense could figure out.

And anyone with common sense could figure out that that tweet about the trans helicopter pilot was at fault .

It literally was from an account called 'FAKE GAY POLITICS'.... what is wrong with you people?
muddybrazos
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trey3216 said:

muddybrazos said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jo Ellis was not the pilot.

Be better than BlueAnon.
Ok, so post what really happened then. This tran was onboard and was mad at trump and we know trans are suicidal unstable people anyways. It also seems this blackhawk tried to hit 2 other planes before it finally crashed into the AA flight.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ man.
You think blasphemy is necessary?
trey3216
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muddybrazos said:

trey3216 said:

muddybrazos said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jo Ellis was not the pilot.

Be better than BlueAnon.
Ok, so post what really happened then. This tran was onboard and was mad at trump and we know trans are suicidal unstable people anyways. It also seems this blackhawk tried to hit 2 other planes before it finally crashed into the AA flight.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ man.
You think blasphemy is necessary?
Do you think Cromagnon level thinking is necessary?
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
muddybrazos
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trey3216 said:

muddybrazos said:

trey3216 said:

muddybrazos said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Jo Ellis was not the pilot.

Be better than BlueAnon.
Ok, so post what really happened then. This tran was onboard and was mad at trump and we know trans are suicidal unstable people anyways. It also seems this blackhawk tried to hit 2 other planes before it finally crashed into the AA flight.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ man.
You think blasphemy is necessary?
Do you think Cromagnon level thinking is necessary?
Ya, im good with it but i'm not ok with blaspheming the name of Christ.
 
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