LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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Armchair CEO always knows best

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I know what you mean, the kind of guy who can name his five favorite bartenders, but not five of his front-line employees.

Oldbear83 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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Armchair CEO always knows best

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I know what you mean, the kind of guy who can name his five favorite bartenders, but not five of his front-line employees.

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Online personas are hard

Still waiting ... do you oppose changing the names of places and institutions as a virtue signal?

you a rhetard or what?

Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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JR is a very successful businessman.

KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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JR is a very successful businessman.

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Well, he says so.

Be nice to see some objective evidence of it.

Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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JR is a very successful businessman.

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Well, he says so.

Be nice to see some objective evidence of it.

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I have communicated with JR both on the open forum and private messaging.

He is legit.

KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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JR is a very successful businessman.

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Well, he says so.

Be nice to see some objective evidence of it.

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I have communicated with JR both on the open forum and private messaging.

He is legit.

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I did say "objective evidence", please.

His behavior here and manner of exposition in describing economic issues frankly stands against him.

"You never look good trying to make someone else look bad."

He reminds me of a bank owner and SMU supporter that was part of the payment system for Pony Express and the dead hookers.

This guy was very wealthy and made money grow. He also thought his poop didn't stink and would say some of the most outlandish stuff I'd ever heard. Crazy thing, he had the sweetest wife.

He spent $100s like I spend dimes and spent a lot of it with me. After my third experience with him, I was fine not ever seeing him again.

Clown is gonna clown

Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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JR is a very successful businessman.

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Well, he says so.

Be nice to see some objective evidence of it.

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I have communicated with JR both on the open forum and private messaging.

He is legit.

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I did say "objective evidence", please.

His behavior here and manner of exposition in describing economic issues frankly stands against him.

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Have partnered with guys exactly like JR. Recognize his confidence, travels and lifestyle.
Don't agree with his politics; but then it is not required.

KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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JR is a very successful businessman.

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Well, he says so.

Be nice to see some objective evidence of it.

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I have communicated with JR both on the open forum and private messaging.

He is legit.

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I did say "objective evidence", please.

His behavior here and manner of exposition in describing economic issues frankly stands against him.

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Have partnered with guys exactly like JR. Recognize his confidence, travels and lifestyle.
Don't agree with his politics; but then it is not required.

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Not talking about his politics.

Every good businessman I know has understood how to sell his/her image all the time, so every communication is a chance to gain a contact/client.

JR treats some smart and accomplished people in ways guaranteed to keep them from ever considering doing business with him. And that's not how professionals act.

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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Oh right, you claimed to be a partner in "the most profitable brewery in town."

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can't seem to find where I said I owed and restaurant. Please point it out. I said I know a lot about them and have friends who own them. I said I'm aware of the most profitable bar and grill in town that is the most profitable. I live next door to it and am friends with the owner. It is public knowledge based upon TABC alcohol sales. Yup have an interest in a brewery, not a restaurant . Never said anything about "hot" you moron. You are pathetic

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Those pictures speak for themselves, JaggoffRtard. I don't need your money, just donate it to Sicem NIL and we will call it even. Or do what your reputation indicated and back out of your bet now.

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you need some reading comprehension, ,there wanker. Read closely. You said that I said I owned some kick ass restaurant in town". now, read closely. Never said anything whatsoever about owning a restaurant. I said I have interest in a local brewery, not a restaurant that is the most profitable in town. I stand by that. Send me your $. Needs to be a cashiers check from the likes of you wanker.

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Oh right, you just said you own interest in the most profitable brewery in Dallas that also has a kitchen staff and serves food. But it's not a restaurant. Somehow. lol, the point was proven, you will not hesitate say whatever you think gives your opinion credibility at the time. You might have Kai fooled, but not anyone else. The people I know and are related to that own their own jets and rub elbows with billionaires don't post on Sicem, or any such sites. They also don't act like they have the world's smallest ***** when someone disagrees with them. Good job fooling Kai, though.

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Wangchung said:

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J.R. said:

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Wangchung said:

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Oh right, you claimed to be a partner in "the most profitable brewery in town."

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can't seem to find where I said I owed and restaurant. Please point it out. I said I know a lot about them and have friends who own them. I said I'm aware of the most profitable bar and grill in town that is the most profitable. I live next door to it and am friends with the owner. It is public knowledge based upon TABC alcohol sales. Yup have an interest in a brewery, not a restaurant . Never said anything about "hot" you moron. You are pathetic

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Those pictures speak for themselves, JaggoffRtard. I don't need your money, just donate it to Sicem NIL and we will call it even. Or do what your reputation indicated and back out of your bet now.

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you need some reading comprehension, ,there wanker. Read closely. You said that I said I owned some kick ass restaurant in town". now, read closely. Never said anything whatsoever about owning a restaurant. I said I have interest in a local brewery, not a restaurant that is the most profitable in town. I stand by that. Send me your $. Needs to be a cashiers check from the likes of you wanker.

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Oh right, you just said you own interest in the most profitable brewery in Dallas that also has a kitchen staff and serves food. But it's not a restaurant. Somehow. lol, the point was proven, you will not hesitate say whatever you think gives your opinion credibility at the time. You might have Kai fooled, but not anyone else. The people I know and are related to that own their own jets and rub elbows with billionaires don't post on Sicem, or any such sites. They also don't act like they have the world's smallest ***** when someone disagrees with them. Good job fooling Kai, though.

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The restaurant side was that he went to culinary school to be a chef. I think Gordon Ramsey fired him first...

Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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JR is a very successful businessman.

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Well, he says so.

Be nice to see some objective evidence of it.

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I have communicated with JR both on the open forum and private messaging.

He is legit.

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I did say "objective evidence", please.

His behavior here and manner of exposition in describing economic issues frankly stands against him.

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Have partnered with guys exactly like JR. Recognize his confidence, travels and lifestyle.
Don't agree with his politics; but then it is not required.

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Not talking about his politics.

Every good businessman I know has understood how to sell his/her image all the time, so every communication is a chance to gain a contact/client.

JR treats some smart and accomplished people in ways guaranteed to keep them from ever considering doing business with him. And that's not how professionals act.

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LOL

Like I said …have partnered ( and traveled ) with guys like JR.

And they didn't give a flying **** about their 'image'.'.

Good was a traitor

KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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JR is a very successful businessman.

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Well, he says so.

Be nice to see some objective evidence of it.

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I have communicated with JR both on the open forum and private messaging.

He is legit.

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I did say "objective evidence", please.

His behavior here and manner of exposition in describing economic issues frankly stands against him.

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Have partnered with guys exactly like JR. Recognize his confidence, travels and lifestyle.
Don't agree with his politics; but then it is not required.

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Not talking about his politics.

Every good businessman I know has understood how to sell his/her image all the time, so every communication is a chance to gain a contact/client.

JR treats some smart and accomplished people in ways guaranteed to keep them from ever considering doing business with him. And that's not how professionals act.

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LOL

Like I said …have partnered ( and traveled ) with guys like JR.

And they didn't give a flying **** about their 'image'.'.

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Good luck in your partnership, then ...

Waco1947 said:

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Good was a traitor

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Who is good?

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Good was a traitor

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Who is good?

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I think he means Gen. Hood, but Waco's concept of law is even worse than his spelling and grammar.

Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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JR reduced to online grifting now, I observe.

Sad, I was under the impression that he once was something of a businessman.

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JR is a very successful businessman.

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Well, he says so.

Be nice to see some objective evidence of it.

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I have communicated with JR both on the open forum and private messaging.

He is legit.

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I did say "objective evidence", please.

His behavior here and manner of exposition in describing economic issues frankly stands against him.

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Have partnered with guys exactly like JR. Recognize his confidence, travels and lifestyle.
Don't agree with his politics; but then it is not required.

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Not talking about his politics.

Every good businessman I know has understood how to sell his/her image all the time, so every communication is a chance to gain a contact/client.

JR treats some smart and accomplished people in ways guaranteed to keep them from ever considering doing business with him. And that's not how professionals act.

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LOL

Like I said …have partnered ( and traveled ) with guys like JR.

And they didn't give a flying **** about their 'image'.'.

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Good luck in your partnership, then ...

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It was profitable for all involved.

Then we went in different directions.

Some made much more money.
Some went broke.
And one died young.

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What in the hell is Trump trying to accomplish by renaming the Gulf of Mexico? Is this somehow going to help all Americans and make America great again? Or is this some sort of virtue signaling to his base?

Help me out here.

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Still waiting ... do you oppose changing the names of places and institutions as a virtue signal?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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What in the hell is Trump trying to accomplish by renaming the Gulf of Mexico? Is this somehow going to help all Americans and make America great again? Or is this some sort of virtue signaling to his base?

Help me out here.

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Interesting outrage considering the amount of public places, sports teams and other venues that have been renamed by the left.

Sure it's stupid.

So is all the other stuff that has been renamed over the past decade or so.

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The Gulf of Mexico was used for slave trade and a resource for stealing native peoples land. Since it can't be moved or filled in, renaming is the logical choice as set by so many woke organizations and universities.

Naming it after the nation that had promoted more freedom than any other seems very logical…. and woke.

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It is definitely NOT woke. Wokeness does not promote freedom. It does the opposite.

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Considering the Gulf separates two continents both named 'America' ...

So ... 'Gulf of America' is kind of obvious.

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Actually, the only two countries bordering on the Gulf, the US and Mexico, are both in North America. South America is nowhere near. Central America is also far away and part of North America.

Why is Trump doing it? Who knows? Yes, it's silly and for some it's clearly a distraction. Maybe that's why.

It's amazing how many people will get excited about something like this!

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Hood was a traitor

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Who is good?

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Hood was a traitor

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Where is State secession treason? Where does the US Constitution prevent a State from withdrawing from the Union?

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Hood was a traitor

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Where is State secession treason? Where does the US Constitution prevent a State from withdrawing from the Union?

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Oh please that is stupid in the extreme. No, secession is not constitutional in the United States. The Constitution does not provide for secession, and the Supreme Court ruled in 1869 that unilateral secession is unconstitutional.


Explanation

• The Constitution does not provide for the dissolution of the government or the states that make it up.
  
  
• The Constitution can be amended, but it does not provide a way for the government to dissolve itself.
  
  
• Abraham Lincoln denied that a state had a constitutional right to secede.
  
  
• The Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White that unilateral secession is unconstitutional.
  
  

However, some have argued that secession is a natural right or a right of revolution. The idea of secession has been a part of US politics since the country's beginning.

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Midnight Rider said:

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What in the hell is Trump trying to accomplish by renaming the Gulf of Mexico? Is this somehow going to help all Americans and make America great again? Or is this some sort of virtue signaling to his base?

Help me out here.

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Interesting outrage considering the amount of public places, sports teams and other venues that have been renamed by the left.

Sure it's stupid.

So is all the other stuff that has been renamed over the past decade or so.

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The difference between this and the other name changing stuff is that here we're talking about an international body of water, but I don't suppose anybody (on either side) actually cares.

I don't think the OP is "triggered" or "outraged" by this name change -- neither am I -- but what is the point? Especially when you know that the next administration is just going to change it back.

Like you said, it is stupid.

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I think all the name changes are pretty stupid, except of course actually offensive names. If someone isn't triggered why start a thread on it, but that's neither here or there.

I just don't see the need for continual name changes.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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fubar said:

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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What in the hell is Trump trying to accomplish by renaming the Gulf of Mexico? Is this somehow going to help all Americans and make America great again? Or is this some sort of virtue signaling to his base?

Help me out here.

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Interesting outrage considering the amount of public places, sports teams and other venues that have been renamed by the left.

Sure it's stupid.

So is all the other stuff that has been renamed over the past decade or so.

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The difference between this and the other name changing stuff is that here we're talking about an international body of water, but I don't suppose anybody (on either side) actually cares.

I don't think the OP is "triggered" or "outraged" by this name change -- neither am I -- but what is the point? Especially when you know that the next administration is just going to change it back.

Like you said, it is stupid.

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I think all the name changes are pretty stupid, except of course actually offensive names. If someone isn't triggered why start a thread on it, but that's neither here or there.

I just don't see the need for continual name changes.

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Agree. Let's stick with the ones Trump changes and end it!

Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Where is State secession treason? Where does the US Constitution prevent a State from withdrawing from the Union?

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Explanation

• The Constitution does not provide for the dissolution of the government or the states that make it up.
  
  
• The Constitution can be amended, but it does not provide a way for the government to dissolve itself.
  
  
• Abraham Lincoln denied that a state had a constitutional right to secede.
  
  
• The Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White that unilateral secession is unconstitutional.
  
  

However, some have argued that secession is a natural right or a right of revolution. The idea of secession has been a part of US politics since the country's beginning.

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In 1861 there was no Supreme Court case, Congressional law, Amendment to the Constitution, or even a non-biding resolution that ever said a State could not leave the Federal Union.

Nor does a State voting to leave the Union "dissolve the government"

The US government would remain just has it had before....in Washington DC still operating.

"If you bring these leaders to trial it will condemn the North," Chase had warned his former cabinet colleagues in July, "for by the Constitution secession is not rebellion." As for the rebel chieftain, the authorities would have done better not to apprehend him. "Lincoln wanted Jefferson Davis to escape, and he was right. His capture was a mistake. His trial will be a greater one. We cannot convict him of treason. Secession is settled. Let it stay settled."~ Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase (Burke Davis, "The Long Surrender", 1985,; Shelby Foote, "The Civil War," V3, p. 1035)

"It is a common maxim of law, that every right has a means of enforcement; & every wrong a remedy. By this rule the right of secession is undoubted. The Constitution provides no means of coercing a state in the Union; nor any punishment for secession."-Kenosha Democrat, 1/11/1861

The constitution defines treason as making war against the U.S. Clearly, every soldier in the confederate army was guilty.

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The constitution defines treason as making war against the U.S. Clearly, every soldier in the confederate army was guilty.

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Not sure how you got there.

I read the constitution.

I'm also posting while watching the basketball game.

historian said:

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I read the constitution.

I'm also posting while watching the basketball game.

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Secession means not part of the country.

We gonna charge the Germans in WW1 with Treason, maybe the Iraqi's in the Gulf War?

Because you are playing loose with the definitions there.

Oldbear83 said:

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historian said:

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I read the constitution.

I'm also posting while watching the basketball game.

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Secession means not part of the country.

We gonna charge the Germans in WW1 with Treason, maybe the Iraqi's in the Gulf War?

Because you are playing loose with the definitions there.

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The U.S. never accepted secession as legitimate. Just because somebody says something does not make it real. Bruce Jenner is still a man.

Those comparisons are silly: Germany & Iraq were not part of the U.S. Virginia & South Carolina were.

Doesn't mean the Constitution actually says what you claim. Courts have been wrong many times before.

And there is a ton of writing from some great minds saying secession is not and was never Treason.

You know, kind of why none of the Confederates was ever tried for Treason.

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Doesn't mean the Constitution actually says what you claim. Courts have been wrong many times before.

And there is a ton of writing from some great minds saying secession is not and was never Treason.

You know, kind of why none of the Confederates was ever tried for Treason.

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I never said secession was treason, but I did quote almost directly the constitutional definition of treason. It must definitely says exactly what I claim. Secession can still be illegitimate without being treason.

Article III, Section 3:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

The direct quote for those who want to know.