Mothra said:
El Oso said:
Mothra said:
El Oso said:
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It's the same 4-6 vaccines with 15 total jabs by 10th grade according to the shot records for my kids. Some vaccines were administered (boostered) multiple times in that time period. Where are you getting 70?
No it's not. It's around 15 total vaccines, with 70 doses.
https://www.marinhealthcare.org/upload/public-meetings/2018-06-19-600-pm-mhd-community-health-seminar-vaccination/BRANCO_06192018_MGH%20Vaccine%20Presentation.pdf
Your chart is a list of available vaccines. It is not a list of "required" vaccines. There is a huge difference between those two things and you are using that difference to embellish your point and distort the actual argument.
Influenza (listed 20 times on your chart) may be suggested by pediatricians, but it is not required by federal law. It's been around since the 1930s, but I noticed you conveniently left it off your chart until 2016. Any reason in particular?
HPV is fairly new (2006) but, and this is critical, the vaccine is not a federally mandated vaccine in the United States.
Vaccines required by federal law (there are 8, so yes, my 4-6 was wrong, but so is your 15): https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements
- Mumps;
- Measles;
- Rubella;
- Polio;
- Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids;
- Pertussis;
- Haemophilus influenzae type B;
- Hepatitis B;
Suggested, but not required:
- COVID-19; and
- Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices (ACIP).
Again, some of these require multiple doses, but the total is nowhere near 70. Removing influenza alone makes your list 50. Taking off the HPVs get us down to 47. There are several you have listed on that chart which are not federally required, but depending on what state you live in, may be required by the state if your child attends public school. This will shrink your total jab number by another 15-20.
This is not the list of all available vaccines. There are many more than this.
This is the CDC's vaccination schedule, and it is what the vast majority of pediatricians use when recommending vaccines to parents. And it is indeed 70 doses.
Still wrong. My information came from the federal government and I counted 31 as detailed above.
Using your CDC vaccination schedule claim, I went to the CDC website and went year by year 0-18. I found five more jabs not on the government website. This makes the highest total so far (federal government or CDC websites) 36 shots from 0-18 (roughly 2 a year even though a lot of years have zero).
Check the math.
Birth--2 (Hep B and RSV)
1-2 months--6 (DTap, Hib, Hep B, IPV, PCV, rotavirus)
4 months--6 (same as above)
6 months--6 (same as above)
7-11 months--no scheduled vaccinations
12-23 months--8 (chickenpox, DTap, HepA, HepB, Hib, IPV, MMR, PCV)
2-3 years old--no scheduled vaccinations
4-6 years old--4 (chickenpox, DTap, IPV, MMR)
7-10 years old--no scheduled vaccinations
11-12 years old--2* (MenACWY, Tdap)
I put a star here because two HPV shots are recommended, but again, HPV is not a required vaccination
13-18--2* (MenACWY, MenABCWY, MenB--see note below)
I put a star here as well because while listed, the MenB vaccine is "not routinely recommended for all adolescents. Healthcare providers and parents can discsuss the risk of the disease and weigh the risks and benefits of vaccination." Also while both of the ones I listed are listed on the schedule, the CDC says, "MenABCWY is not to be given if MenB is administered."
So here's the math: 2+6+6+6+0+8+0+4+0+2+2=36
We are still significantly short of this 70 jab number you keep throwing out and I used the CDC vaccination schedule. Even if we add the two HPV (which are not mandated, so I left them out), we only get to 38.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/imz-schedules/index.html
Wrong.
The reason you continue to miscount is because you're including several vaccines that include multiple immunizations in one vaccine and you're counting them as one.
The number is 72 when you separate out all of the doses. This is from the CDC's own website.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/imz-schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf
In either regard, to me it doesn't really matter if it's 40+ or 70. The question is are we overdosing our children? I think they're strong evidence that we are. But if you feel comfortable giving your kids 72 doses, that is certainly your prerogative as a parent.
Unfortunately, I am a parent who has experienced the repercussions of a vaccine injury. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
First, I am sorry to hear about your poor experience with a vaccine. While my children have not had such experiences, you are right, it is a terrible experience no one should wish on anyone and we should work harder to avoid it happening as often as it does.
I am not wrong though. You are the one who is counting wrong. I went to the CDC website and posted year by year in my prior post. All mandatory vaccines were accounted for in my count. I got to 36.
This post I will use the link you posted above. I will still exclude HPV, COVID and the flu shot as parents have a choice in whether or not those vaccines are administered.
Using your chart (it goes vaccine by vaccine, so each line is the total for that particular vaccine):
There are two shots in the first line.
There three shots in the second line.
There are two shots in the third line.
There are four shots in the fourth line.
There are four shots in the fifth line.
There are four shots in the sixth line.
There are four shots in the seventh line.
I skip line eight because it is COVID and not a mandatory vaccination (I let my children decide. One did. The others did not.)
There is one shot in line nine (you can take it in one or two).
There is one shot in line 10 (you can take it in one or two)
There are two shots in line 11.
There are two shots in line 12.
There are two shots in line 13.
There is one shot in line 14.
Line 15 is HPV, and because it is optional, I will not count it, but you can.
There are two shots in line 16.
There is one shot in line 17, but it does appear optional until you look at Table 3.
Lines 18-20 are given to the mother during pregnancy.
When these numbers are added together, there are 36 shots administered among the different vaccines.
Table 2 just so happens to be the exact table I used in my previous post. It supplements Table 1. Those vaccines are not added to Table 1--they are the same. Again, the number is 36.
Table 3 is more notes about the timeline for staying up to date and a few other shots that are not required but may be worth considering.
The remaining 14 pages of that website are just information about the vaccines and special situations that may or may not occur.
So to recap:
I used the federal website and got 31 jabs.
I used the CDC website and got 36 jabs.
I have now used the exact same CDC weblink you posted, and again, I got 36 jabs.
I'm still significantly short of this 70 number you keep throwing out.
So, let me do this. 36+2 HPV vaccines (which are not mandatory) +17 flu shots (which are not mandatory), gets me to 55. Personally, I'm not counting optional vaccines here, and I don't think anyone should be counting them in their total, but even if I were to concede they should be, I am still 15 jabs short of 70.
