* * What's Going on in Europe

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I'm very interested to see how upcoming elections ho in the UK, France, Germany, etc
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BaylorHistory
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historian said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:



It's amazing how many "modern" western states are willing to murder their own citizens for a physical disability. It's completely barbaric and criminal. For some historical perspective, this is what the Nazis did in their early years.


The Nazis did it for rightwing reasons.....while the modern West is doing it for leftwing reasons.

That is the difference and the reason no one cares about the similarity to Nazism today with euthanasia, abortion, and other life issues

As long as murder serves approved Leftwing ideological goals....its does not matter how similar its actions are to the mustache bad man from the 1940s

The Nazis were not right wing! They were and always have been a political movement of the Left. Nazi is short for "National Socialism" with particular emphasis on the second word. Their program, agenda, methods, propaganda, violence, etc were almost entirely Leftist in nature.

To be honest, in much of that they resembled the Bolsheviks & other communist groups of the 20th century: carefully crafted propaganda, use of extreme violence, mass murder, aggressiveness towards foreign neighbors, concentration camps, denying basic liberties to their own citizens, popularity cults of leaders, perversion of religion, scapegoating certain groups, tyrannical behavior, & so much more.

What is even scarier is how much of this the Dems in 21st century America have incorporated into their agenda & tactics. Whether you call them commies or fascists, it's the same totalitarian tendencies.

They were right wing and their hatred of communism was one of their main raison d'etre and one of the ways that they gained so much popularity. Marxism is mentioned >200 times in Mein Kampf, you can read his own thoughts on it anytime. Totalitarianism isn't a right or left only thing and the horseshoe theory of the political spectrum seem pretty reasonable to me.

Redbrickbear is right about progressive ideas in eugenics. It was a big deal in the Progressive Era and one of the main historiographical interpretations of eugenics in progressive thinking is that it only lost popularity due to the rise of Nazism and the cultural pushback from their ideas as they crossed the ocean and center left people began to look down upon it. I'm a huge fan of the spirit of the Progressive Era and it's thinking on how to improve the lives of many Americans, but they certainly were not perfect. Defectives in the Land is a fantastic monograph on the topic and how it impacted more than just eugenics.

Noooo evidence for that, babeeyyy, just maaade it up.
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The_barBEARian said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:



It's amazing how many "modern" western states are willing to murder their own citizens for a physical disability. It's completely barbaric and criminal. For some historical perspective, this is what the Nazis did in their early years.


The Nazis did it for rightwing reasons.....while the modern West is doing it for leftwing reasons.

That is the difference and the reason no one cares about the similarity to Nazism today with euthanasia, abortion, and other life issues

As long as murder serves approved Leftwing ideological goals....its does not matter how similar its actions are to the mustache bad man from the 1940s


Boomers are obsessed with the bad guys from WW2... Hollywood did its job well indoctrinating these guys...

Did you mean for all those words to come out together or did they just fall out randomly?
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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GrowlTowel said:

The_barBEARian said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:



It's amazing how many "modern" western states are willing to murder their own citizens for a physical disability. It's completely barbaric and criminal. For some historical perspective, this is what the Nazis did in their early years.


The Nazis did it for rightwing reasons.....while the modern West is doing it for leftwing reasons.

That is the difference and the reason no one cares about the similarity to Nazism today with euthanasia, abortion, and other life issues

As long as murder serves approved Leftwing ideological goals....its does not matter how similar its actions are to the mustache bad man from the 1940s


Boomers are obsessed with the bad guys from WW2... Hollywood did its job well indoctrinating these guys...

Did you mean for all those words to come out together or did they just fall out randomly?


Triggered.
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Ireland is tired of liberalism and mass immigration
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And Hitler allied with Stalin before invading Poland, starting the war in Europe. Hitler hated Bolshevism, until it was convenient to form the alliance.

Nazism and Bolshevism are more alike than they are different. It's common to try to separate economics from politics but they often are linked in terms of ideological movements. This is especially true for various types of Marxists who use grandiose economic promises as a means to an end: power. Socialists of all stripes (communists, fascists, Nazis, Maoists, etc) all want power concentrated in their hands. And since socialism never works they always become increasingly oppressive to fix the inevitable failures. They are never willing to admit that they and their ideas ard the root of the problems the country faces.

Progressivism is very similar to fascism. Eugenics is only one example.
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The_barBEARian said:

GrowlTowel said:

The_barBEARian said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:



It's amazing how many "modern" western states are willing to murder their own citizens for a physical disability. It's completely barbaric and criminal. For some historical perspective, this is what the Nazis did in their early years.


The Nazis did it for rightwing reasons.....while the modern West is doing it for leftwing reasons.

That is the difference and the reason no one cares about the similarity to Nazism today with euthanasia, abortion, and other life issues

As long as murder serves approved Leftwing ideological goals....its does not matter how similar its actions are to the mustache bad man from the 1940s


Boomers are obsessed with the bad guys from WW2... Hollywood did its job well indoctrinating these guys...

Did you mean for all those words to come out together or did they just fall out randomly?


Triggered.

Stupidity triggers everyone.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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historian said:



1.) Nazism and Bolshevism are more alike than they are different. It's common to try to separate economics from politics but they often are linked in terms of ideological movements. This is especially true for various types of Marxists who use grandiose economic promises as a means to an end: power. Socialists of all stripes (communists, fascists, Nazis, Maoists, etc) all want power concentrated in their hands.

2.) And since socialism never works they always become increasingly oppressive to fix the inevitable failures. They are never willing to admit that they and their ideas ard the root of the problems the country faces.

3.) Progressivism is very similar to fascism. Eugenics is only one example.

1.) So, your argument then is that the left is only categorized as totalitarian vs the right that is not? If so, that would be a break from both modern interpretations and classical political classifications where totalitarianism was originally an ideal right-wing, conservative, ideology in the form of Monarchism with those that supported democratic tendencies being left-wing, or liberal. Obviously, that has shifted over time, but neither the right nor the left in 2026 have a claim on democratic principles in the West as a label in academic political science, popular political science, or in the public conscience. Feels to me an excuse to say "my side is good and the other side is bad" while ignoring the intricates and realities of politics. The extremes of both ideologies bring nothing but danger to a functioning democracy and I'd say a functioning left and a functioning right are necessary for a healthy nation in balance.

2.) I disagree with the premise as I love public roads, parks, schools, etc.
There are limits and a functioning conservatism party should actively fight to enforce those limits, but I prefer living in a society with those forms of socialism.

3.) I was talking about Progressive Era politics in the US in regard to eugenic ideas and did not mention modern progressive ideas on the subject. I'm not in favor of eugenics and haven't seen anyone that I have voted for that has been in favor of improving the American gene pool with limiting procreation opportunities for people that society has deemed undesirable.
Noooo evidence for that, babeeyyy, just maaade it up.
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BaylorHistory said:

historian said:



1.) Nazism and Bolshevism are more alike than they are different. It's common to try to separate economics from politics but they often are linked in terms of ideological movements. This is especially true for various types of Marxists who use grandiose economic promises as a means to an end: power. Socialists of all stripes (communists, fascists, Nazis, Maoists, etc) all want power concentrated in their hands.

2.) And since socialism never works they always become increasingly oppressive to fix the inevitable failures. They are never willing to admit that they and their ideas ard the root of the problems the country faces.

3.) Progressivism is very similar to fascism. Eugenics is only one example.

3.) I was talking about Progressive Era politics in the US in regard to eugenic ideas and did not mention modern progressive ideas on the subject. I'm not in favor of eugenics and haven't seen anyone that I have voted for that has been in favor of improving the American gene pool with limiting procreation opportunities for people that society has deemed undesirable.



The abortion industry was created for that exact purpose.

There is a reason why there are more Planned Parenthood facilities in black neighborhoods than any other ethnic/racial group.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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GrowlTowel said:

BaylorHistory said:

historian said:



1.) Nazism and Bolshevism are more alike than they are different. It's common to try to separate economics from politics but they often are linked in terms of ideological movements. This is especially true for various types of Marxists who use grandiose economic promises as a means to an end: power. Socialists of all stripes (communists, fascists, Nazis, Maoists, etc) all want power concentrated in their hands.

2.) And since socialism never works they always become increasingly oppressive to fix the inevitable failures. They are never willing to admit that they and their ideas ard the root of the problems the country faces.

3.) Progressivism is very similar to fascism. Eugenics is only one example.

3.) I was talking about Progressive Era politics in the US in regard to eugenic ideas and did not mention modern progressive ideas on the subject. I'm not in favor of eugenics and haven't seen anyone that I have voted for that has been in favor of improving the American gene pool with limiting procreation opportunities for people that society has deemed undesirable.



The abortion industry was created for that exact purpose.

There is a reason why there are more Planned Parenthood facilities in black neighborhoods than any other ethnic/racial group.



^^^Worth repeating ^^^
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GrowlTowel said:

BaylorHistory said:

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1.) Nazism and Bolshevism are more alike than they are different. It's common to try to separate economics from politics but they often are linked in terms of ideological movements. This is especially true for various types of Marxists who use grandiose economic promises as a means to an end: power. Socialists of all stripes (communists, fascists, Nazis, Maoists, etc) all want power concentrated in their hands.

2.) And since socialism never works they always become increasingly oppressive to fix the inevitable failures. They are never willing to admit that they and their ideas ard the root of the problems the country faces.

3.) Progressivism is very similar to fascism. Eugenics is only one example.

3.) I was talking about Progressive Era politics in the US in regard to eugenic ideas and did not mention modern progressive ideas on the subject. I'm not in favor of eugenics and haven't seen anyone that I have voted for that has been in favor of improving the American gene pool with limiting procreation opportunities for people that society has deemed undesirable.



The abortion industry was created for that exact purpose.

There is a reason why there are more Planned Parenthood facilities in black neighborhoods than any other ethnic/racial group.



Correct, Margaret Sanger was a proponent of eugenics, but I haven't seen a pro-choice argument that was centered around the "good of the species" as a policy platform in a good long while.
Noooo evidence for that, babeeyyy, just maaade it up.
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BaylorHistory said:

historian said:



1.) Nazism and Bolshevism are more alike than they are different. It's common to try to separate economics from politics but they often are linked in terms of ideological movements. This is especially true for various types of Marxists who use grandiose economic promises as a means to an end: power. Socialists of all stripes (communists, fascists, Nazis, Maoists, etc) all want power concentrated in their hands.

2.) And since socialism never works they always become increasingly oppressive to fix the inevitable failures. They are never willing to admit that they and their ideas ard the root of the problems the country faces.

3.) Progressivism is very similar to fascism. Eugenics is only one example.

1.) So, your argument then is that the left is only categorized as totalitarian vs the right that is not? If so, that would be a break from both modern interpretations and classical political classifications where totalitarianism was originally an ideal right-wing, conservative, ideology in the form of Monarchism with those that supported democratic tendencies being left-wing, or liberal. Obviously, that has shifted over time, but neither the right nor the left in 2026 have a claim on democratic principles in the West as a label in academic political science, popular political science, or in the public conscience. Feels to me an excuse to say "my side is good and the other side is bad" while ignoring the intricates and realities of politics. The extremes of both ideologies bring nothing but danger to a functioning democracy and I'd say a functioning left and a functioning right are necessary for a healthy nation in balance.

2.) I disagree with the premise as I love public roads, parks, schools, etc.
There are limits and a functioning conservatism party should actively fight to enforce those limits, but I prefer living in a society with those forms of socialism.

3.) I was talking about Progressive Era politics in the US in regard to eugenic ideas and did not mention modern progressive ideas on the subject. I'm not in favor of eugenics and haven't seen anyone that I have voted for that has been in favor of improving the American gene pool with limiting procreation opportunities for people that society has deemed undesirable.


In modern America, those who are generally labeled "conservative" are actually classical liberals: we believe in individual liberty & moral responsibility, limited and representative govt, rule of law, equality under the law, economic liberty (capitalism), protections for our rights, etc. These ideas are summed up in the Declaration of Independence and embodied in the Constitution. Modern "liberals" are anything but. Most are socialists (commies or fascists), anarchists, or some other radical & unworkable ideology. That's how the totalitarianism comes in.

The govt does have a proper place in the economy, but as little as possible. Even Adam Smith recognized the need for an army, navy, police force, etc. The examples you listed might properly be local responsibilities. There is no legitimate reason for the federal govt to be involved in education, health care, highways, and other local issues. The more the feds intrude in something, anything, the more problems they cause. They certainly should not be providing housing, good, health care, etc to everyone. That only provides opportunists for fraudsters as Minnesota, California, and others have recently demonstrated. It's probably far more widespread than anyone knows.

The Progressive Era was the beginning of many of these problems. The key is that there are some people who believe the government can fix things, despite a century of evidence to the contrary. And today we have close to $40 trillion in debt and far too many examples of injustice and govt oppression that provide exclamation points.

Lastly, the US is not a democracy. Our constitution created a Republic and that was the express purpose of the Founders. They knew that a Republic is the surest guarantee of our freedoms and they knew protecting our liberties is the primary purpose of govt, the reason it exists.
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BaylorHistory said:

GrowlTowel said:

BaylorHistory said:

historian said:



1.) Nazism and Bolshevism are more alike than they are different. It's common to try to separate economics from politics but they often are linked in terms of ideological movements. This is especially true for various types of Marxists who use grandiose economic promises as a means to an end: power. Socialists of all stripes (communists, fascists, Nazis, Maoists, etc) all want power concentrated in their hands.

2.) And since socialism never works they always become increasingly oppressive to fix the inevitable failures. They are never willing to admit that they and their ideas ard the root of the problems the country faces.

3.) Progressivism is very similar to fascism. Eugenics is only one example.

3.) I was talking about Progressive Era politics in the US in regard to eugenic ideas and did not mention modern progressive ideas on the subject. I'm not in favor of eugenics and haven't seen anyone that I have voted for that has been in favor of improving the American gene pool with limiting procreation opportunities for people that society has deemed undesirable.



The abortion industry was created for that exact purpose.

There is a reason why there are more Planned Parenthood facilities in black neighborhoods than any other ethnic/racial group.



Correct, Margaret Sanger was a proponent of eugenics, but I haven't seen a pro-choice argument that was centered around the "good of the species" as a policy platform in a good long while.


You must have missed the pro-choice argument still floating around that many aborted babies would have had a terrible life anyway.
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BaylorHistory said:

historian said:

Redbrickbear said:

historian said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:



It's amazing how many "modern" western states are willing to murder their own citizens for a physical disability. It's completely barbaric and criminal. For some historical perspective, this is what the Nazis did in their early years.


The Nazis did it for rightwing reasons.....while the modern West is doing it for leftwing reasons.

That is the difference and the reason no one cares about the similarity to Nazism today with euthanasia, abortion, and other life issues

As long as murder serves approved Leftwing ideological goals....its does not matter how similar its actions are to the mustache bad man from the 1940s

The Nazis were not right wing! They were and always have been a political movement of the Left. Nazi is short for "National Socialism" with particular emphasis on the second word. Their program, agenda, methods, propaganda, violence, etc were almost entirely Leftist in nature.

To be honest, in much of that they resembled the Bolsheviks & other communist groups of the 20th century: carefully crafted propaganda, use of extreme violence, mass murder, aggressiveness towards foreign neighbors, concentration camps, denying basic liberties to their own citizens, popularity cults of leaders, perversion of religion, scapegoating certain groups, tyrannical behavior, & so much more.

What is even scarier is how much of this the Dems in 21st century America have incorporated into their agenda & tactics. Whether you call them commies or fascists, it's the same totalitarian tendencies.

They were right wing and their hatred of communism was one of their main raison d'etre and one of the ways that they gained so much popularity. Marxism is mentioned >200 times in Mein Kampf, you can read his own thoughts on it anytime. Totalitarianism isn't a right or left only thing and the horseshoe theory of the political spectrum seem pretty reasonable to me.

Redbrickbear is right about progressive ideas in eugenics. It was a big deal in the Progressive Era and one of the main historiographical interpretations of eugenics in progressive thinking is that it only lost popularity due to the rise of Nazism and the cultural pushback from their ideas as they crossed the ocean and center left people began to look down upon it. I'm a huge fan of the spirit of the Progressive Era and it's thinking on how to improve the lives of many Americans, but they certainly were not perfect. Defectives in the Land is a fantastic monograph on the topic and how it impacted more than just eugenics.




The National Socialists hated the communists because they were recruiting the same disgruntled workers. They were not classically "right wing" in policy or ideals.
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The were rival factions of the same criminal mindset.

I've realized over the years that the best way to understand fascists, communists, and all the variations, like modern Dems, is to view them as like the mafia except their domain is government instead of the criminal underworld. They generally operate in the same manner, have the same morality (or lack thereof), often use the same or similar tactics, and are very destructive. But they are far more dangerous because they have far more power and ruthlessly & blatantly operate in the open.
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If England Were a State.. it would rank below Mississippi
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"A day without sunshine is like, you know, night." — Steve Martin
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LIB,MR BEARS said:



The Muslim mayor of Rotherham in the UK says that Britain can only be great again by implementing Sharia law, and demands the expulsion of all non-Muslims! Including British
citizens

"A day without sunshine is like, you know, night." — Steve Martin
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Assassin said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:



The Muslim mayor of Rotherham in the UK says that Britain can only be great again by implementing Sharia law, and demands the expulsion of all non-Muslims! Including British
citizens



I wouldn't worry about AI deepfakes fooling you. You are still falling for grandma facebook shares
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"A day without sunshine is like, you know, night." — Steve Martin
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"A day without sunshine is like, you know, night." — Steve Martin
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Hungary just signed their death notice

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More Greatness from Great Britain
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Goodbye, Hungary. It was a good run.

Hungary to get first LGBTQ TV channel

"An unknown applicant has reportedly filed to register the first-ever LGBTQ-themed TV channel in Hungary.
It comes just two days after the EU Court of Justice struck down a law passed by Prime Minister Viktor Orban restricting or banning the "promotion" of homosexuality and gender change in media accessible to children."
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Realitybites said:

Goodbye, Hungary. It was a good run.

Hungary to get first LGBTQ TV channel

"An unknown applicant has reportedly filed to register the first-ever LGBTQ-themed TV channel in Hungary.
It comes just two days after the EU Court of Justice struck down a law passed by Prime Minister Viktor Orban restricting or banning the "promotion" of homosexuality and gender change in media accessible to children."


The EU and the oligarchs are moving fast to corrupt that nation
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It's not just Europe:



Here's the US under Biden:

 
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