Pessimistic We Can Ever Re-unite

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Harrison Bergeron
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I had some texts with a radical leftist friend the last few days. He's pretty much a walking stereotype: hates Christians, conservatives, and has major TDS. He instigated the texts by posting the Mississippi Semen Bill convinced Republicans were launching a national, anti-ejaculation theocracy ... there is a lot of information content in the fact that I had to share with him it was a Democrat troll job.

Despite that, he's a good dude and not one of those Democrat snowflakes that will cut off anyone that does not march in lockstep with regressive orthodoxy.

However, he's completely consumed with BlueAnon. For instance, he actually believes Elon Musk intentionally made a National Socialist salute. He believed (before the 2020 election) that Russian hackers stole the 2016 election. And he genuine believes Trump is a Russian asset.

Although I post "in character" here often to intentionally inflame or annoy, but I genuinely want to find a cultural place where we can have nuanced, complex discussions about important issues facing our nation. However, I am genuinely pessimistic that we can ever find a common ground. The left-wing disinformation campaign is so powerful, that I am not sure it can be penetrated. He and others are effectively brainwashed.

Like I did here, I often ask "with what policies of Trump do you disagree?" I asked why he hated Trump so much when he is a Clintonian Democrat. But often like here, the conversation reverted to the usual Orange Man Bad tropes and BlueAnon histrionics. It is impossible to break through the lack of self-awareness or hypocrisy that he simply cannot see. His primary response when not parroting BlueAnon Talking Points was telling me to stop watching NewsMax and listening to Joe Rogan (I am barely sure what is NewsMax and have only listened to maybe 10 episodes of Rogan over three years.

Sorry for the /CSB, but I am genuinely concerned for the future how we bridge between reality and disinformation. This is exponentially concerning given the global effort to instill disinformation into public policy and actively suppress dissent.
KaiBear
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Let 'em talk.....and do what you want.
Realitybites
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Have you considered the possibility that he isn't as good a guy as you may think?
BUbearinARK
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There are great people on all sides of issues. We all tend to get tribal and demonize each other. Great idea to talk to each other than talking over.

I've stopped donating sperm as an olive branch.
Harrison Bergeron
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But it is a broader problem. The amount of people that 100% believe all the BlueAnon insanity is troubling. It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with people like that. I do not know how as a nation we move forward when so many are being intentionally fed disinformation.
Married A Horn
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Blacks went from 10% to 17%. Good people can be reached.

Brainwashed zealots like a few on here cannot. Maybe with Large Scale Social Deception being defunded... overtime he'll come around?
Harrison Bergeron
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Married A Horn said:

Blacks went from 10% to 17%. Good people can be reached.

Brainwashed zealots like a few on here cannot. Maybe with Large Scale Social Deception being defunded... overtime he'll come around?
I think that is the core of the wealthy "white liberal" problem. That can afford "luxury beliefs."
GrowlTowel
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You are never going to save your friend, or anyone like him.

His beliefs are not political, they are religious.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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This.

Progressivism is a false hate filled religion.
TDS Repubs are their allies.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.


Wangchung
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Harrison Bergeron said:

I had some texts with a radical leftist friend the last few days. He's pretty much a walking stereotype: hates Christians, conservatives, and has major TDS. He instigated the texts by posting the Mississippi Semen Bill convinced Republicans were launching a national, anti-ejaculation theocracy ... there is a lot of information content in the fact that I had to share with him it was a Democrat troll job.

Despite that, he's a good dude and not one of those Democrat snowflakes that will cut off anyone that does not march in lockstep with regressive orthodoxy.

However, he's completely consumed with BlueAnon. For instance, he actually believes Elon Musk intentionally made a National Socialist salute. He believed (before the 2020 election) that Russian hackers stole the 2016 election. And he genuine believes Trump is a Russian asset.

Although I post "in character" here often to intentionally inflame or annoy, but I genuinely want to find a cultural place where we can have nuanced, complex discussions about important issues facing our nation. However, I am genuinely pessimistic that we can ever find a common ground. The left-wing disinformation campaign is so powerful, that I am not sure it can be penetrated. He and others are effectively brainwashed.

Like I did here, I often ask "with what policies of Trump do you disagree?" I asked why he hated Trump so much when he is a Clintonian Democrat. But often like here, the conversation reverted to the usual Orange Man Bad tropes and BlueAnon histrionics. It is impossible to break through the lack of self-awareness or hypocrisy that he simply cannot see. His primary response when not parroting BlueAnon Talking Points was telling me to stop watching NewsMax and listening to Joe Rogan (I am barely sure what is NewsMax and have only listened to maybe 10 episodes of Rogan over three years.

Sorry for the /CSB, but I am genuinely concerned for the future how we bridge between reality and disinformation. This is exponentially concerning given the global effort to instill disinformation into public policy and actively suppress dissent.
I have a similar friend from my days in the entertainment industry. We worked together many times, I opened for him like 20 times over 3 years. Got along just fine but as time went by he got progressively (get it?) worse. Believes all the craziest **** about Trump and republicans and simply cannot accept any facts that disrupt that narrative. Makes me sad, as we had good times together but honestly I don't find his friendship worth the constant drama.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

midgett
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I am definitely interested is seeing what happens if Trump has a reasonably "successful" 4 years (whatever that means) and Vance becomes president.

Will the lack of Trump calm the left down and allow Vance some degree of normalcy?

I fear there's barely a chance. It seems it has become a religion. (I can already hear it. "Trump is pulling Vance's strings.)
Harrison Bergeron
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midgett said:

I am definitely interested is seeing what happens if Trump has a reasonably "successful" 4 years (whatever that means) and Vance becomes president.

Will the lack of Trump calm the left down and allow Vance some degree of normalcy?

I fear there's barely a chance. It seems it has become a religion. (I can already hear it. "Trump is pulling Vance's strings.)
It will not get any better. They were the same is less BlueAnon earlier ... remember George W. Bush was going to declare himself Emperor and refuse to leave office and Reagan was senile and start WWIII.

They rely on emotion and hysterics to distract the base from reality.
Married A Horn
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But their funding has been yanked. It MAY fade over the next decade or so.
EatMoreSalmon
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Married A Horn said:

But their funding has been yanked. It MAY fade over the next decade or so.
Let's see if the old guard media start folding for lack of funds.
Let's see if universities can be returned to robust sharing of ideas.

These two things would perhaps save journalism over time in the US.
Doc Holliday
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I've asked myself this before and the answer is no.

We got ourselves into this position by thinking that the only way to end this is to allow our enemies to unilaterally crush us, as we cry out "WAIT UNTIL THE MODERATES SEE THIS". We've been thinking that they're going to go too far and people will finally reject it…but they don't.

They outright lie and when that lie is exposed, there's no mass outrage by moderates. There's no mass outrage for children injecting themselves with hormones to "change" their gender. Nothing about elites being pedophiles with Epstein/Diddy. Nothing about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked. There's only people agreeing to it or rejecting it. In the grand scheme it's divide and conquer.

They're the ones challenging norms. Whether this divide and conquer scenario is or organic or not, their ideology is the source of it like a virus, we didn't challenge basic norms.

I wish there was a story book scenario to solve this, but there isn't. We have to use power to the utmost against the leftist opposition, as far as we can push it - that's the only rule now both for us and for them. It breaks my heart.
KaiBear
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GrowlTowel said:

You are never going to save your friend, or anyone like him.

His beliefs are not political, they are religious.


Rarely are people ever convinced by others to alter their political opinions.

If change occurs, they do it unaided.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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Doc Holliday said:

I've asked myself this before and the answer is no.

We got ourselves into this position by thinking that the only way to end this is to allow our enemies to unilaterally crush us, as we cry out "WAIT UNTIL THE MODERATES SEE THIS". We've been thinking that they're going to go too far and people will finally reject it…but they don't.

They outright lie and when that lie is exposed, there's no mass outrage by moderates. There's no mass outrage for children injecting themselves with hormones to "change" their gender. Nothing about elites being pedophiles with Epstein/Diddy. Nothing about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked. There's only people agreeing to it or rejecting it. In the grand scheme it's divide and conquer.

They're the ones challenging norms. Whether this divide and conquer scenario is or organic or not, their ideology is the source of it like a virus, we didn't challenge basic norms.

I wish there was a story book scenario to solve this, but there isn't. We have to use power to the utmost against the leftist opposition, as far as we can push it - that's the only rule now both for us and for them. It breaks my heart.


Yep, you understand.
Our soft TDSer "Repubs" don't get it. They side with Progressives and gladly sell out our future in the name of keeping up appearances. They barely bark when libs are doing their crazy, but they bark like crazy at Trump mean tweets.

Trump and his team get it. The time of caring what progressives and their allies think is over, time to win back the government for the people.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.


Johnny Bear
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As the late great Rush Limbaugh used to say, there is no way to "compromise " with today's liberals - the only option is to crush them to the fullest extent possible at the ballot box and then govern like you won. How do people who fundamentally love the country, believe in its founding principles, and believe in American exceptionalism ever successfully compromise with people that fundamentally believe the exact opposite? Sadly, it just can't be done.
Doc Holliday
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I believe no country can survive if its citizenry rejects Jesus.

America is doomed without God.
Doc Holliday
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

Doc Holliday said:

I've asked myself this before and the answer is no.

We got ourselves into this position by thinking that the only way to end this is to allow our enemies to unilaterally crush us, as we cry out "WAIT UNTIL THE MODERATES SEE THIS". We've been thinking that they're going to go too far and people will finally reject it…but they don't.

They outright lie and when that lie is exposed, there's no mass outrage by moderates. There's no mass outrage for children injecting themselves with hormones to "change" their gender. Nothing about elites being pedophiles with Epstein/Diddy. Nothing about hundreds of thousands of children being sexually trafficked. There's only people agreeing to it or rejecting it. In the grand scheme it's divide and conquer.

They're the ones challenging norms. Whether this divide and conquer scenario is or organic or not, their ideology is the source of it like a virus, we didn't challenge basic norms.

I wish there was a story book scenario to solve this, but there isn't. We have to use power to the utmost against the leftist opposition, as far as we can push it - that's the only rule now both for us and for them. It breaks my heart.


Yep, you understand.
Our soft TDSer "Repubs" don't get it. They side with Progressives and gladly sell out our future in the name of keeping up appearances. They barely bark when libs are doing their crazy, but they bark like crazy at Trump mean tweets.

Trump and his team get it. The time of caring what progressives and their allies think is over, time to win back the government for the people.
They're weak and they bend the knee to faux moral outrage.

That time has expired. We don't need to apologize for our convictions. We know what's right and wrong.

The left is in a position of weakness right now and the only thing they can do is try to convince you that you're morally in the wrong. The correct response to that is "fu c k off".
LIB,MR BEARS
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midgett said:

I am definitely interested is seeing what happens if Trump has a reasonably "successful" 4 years (whatever that means) and Vance becomes president.

Will the lack of Trump calm the left down and allow Vance some degree of normalcy?

I fear there's barely a chance. It seems it has become a religion. (I can already hear it. "Trump is pulling Vance's strings.)

Mitt Romney was a Nazi

I don't think the current iteration of Dems is going to calm down.
jbbear
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BUbearinARK said:

There are great people on all sides of issues. We all tend to get tribal and demonize each other. Great idea to talk to each other than talking over.

I've stopped donating sperm as an olive branch.
Including pedophiles???
ABC BEAR
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The nation will continue to move forward...not everyone will move with it. Flotsam and Jetsam.
BUbearinARK
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jbbear said:

BUbearinARK said:

There are great people on all sides of issues. We all tend to get tribal and demonize each other. Great idea to talk to each other than talking over.

I've stopped donating sperm as an olive branch.
Including pedophiles???


TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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Johnny Bear said:

As the late great Rush Limbaugh used to say, there is no way to "compromise " with today's liberals - the only option is to crush them to the fullest extent possible at the ballot box and then govern like you won. How do people who fundamentally love the country, believe in its founding principles, and believe in American exceptionalism ever successfully compromise with people that fundamentally believe the exact opposite? Sadly, it just can't be done.



This is what a lot of moderate Repubs fail to grasp. There is no middle ground with the left. Their voters will always side with the Dem party. The Dem party will always sprint towards hedonism and dystopian socialism.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.


historian
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Today dystopian socialism on the Left = fascism
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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