April 2nd Reciprocal Tariffs

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boognish_bear said:


That makes total sense…
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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

Well maybe one day you can go a day without pissing yourself.


Huh? Come on. You can do better than that. I come here for sophisticated MAGA banter. Piss yourself? That is it. If you are not going to even try, I will f-ck with Married or Wang... Masters celebration, you get a Mulligan.
Sorry FLBear, your stuff is always the same. You lie about wanting Trump to succeed, then take every opportunity to go after him, and you have yet to offer a clear alternative to stop the obscene spending, solve the tax mess, or cut significantly into the federal debt.

There is a distinctly urinal quality to your posts viz a viz politics.


Thank you for putting the time in to explain... It means a lot.
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Hope I am wrong… but I don't think China is going to blink first

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boognish_bear said:




He lives in fantasy land.
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boognish_bear said:

Hope I am wrong… but I don't think China is going to blink first


Heading toward OLeary's 400%...
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ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:


That makes total sense…
The man is nothing more than a pathological liar and Bronx con-man. Let's see those receipts of those beutiful tariffs , toad man. If any of you believe anything that come out of his mouth, you are a fool. Looking at you Trump Parott. Old83.
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J.R. said:

ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:


That makes total sense…
The man is nothing more than a pathological liar and Bronx con-man. Let's see those receipts of those beutiful tariffs , toad man. If any of you believe anything that come out of his mouth, you are a fool. Looking at you Trump Parott. Old83.



He said he worked at McDonald's and he did.
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boognish_bear said:


Probably similar to what Apple did with its Mac Pro. It will leave most manufacturing abroad, but try to appease Trump by making a line of product here.

Of course, the end result with the Mac Pro was you got a super expensive computer that nobody buys.
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boognish_bear said:

Hope I am wrong… but I don't think China is going to blink first


Their best bet of ending this quickly is to tank the bond market. And they can do it.
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boognish_bear said:


I think we should make China the 52nd state
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The site announcement might be new but the plan was announced years ago
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boognish_bear said:


This was denied.

https://nypost.com/2025/04/15/business/honda-to-boost-manufacturing-in-us-after-trump-tariffs/

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/honda-make-90-us-sales-locally-by-relocating-mexico-canada-production-nikkei-2025-04-15/

Not sure what to believe out there in X land.
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Hope I am wrong… but I don't think China is going to blink first


The real flaw in using tariffs as our weapon of choice against China is painfully basic. If you're going to use protectionism, you need something to protect, and in many critical sectors, we simply don't have that anymore. You can't protect domestic production that doesn't exist. And worse, much of what we import from China isn't easily substitutable, certainly not at scale, and certainly not from markets that offer similar price and volume.

Yes, China needs access to our consumer market. Trump's strategy assumes that gives us leverage. But that leverage is undercut by the fact that we don't have viable alternatives in many product categories, so we end up punishing ourselves. American businesses are still buying the goods, just at higher cost. And consumers are footing the bill. So while this looks like pressure on China, it's actually a tax on Americans for a reshoring plan that hasn't materialized and supply chains that don't yet exist.

China is a hub of integrated supply chains that touch dozens of countries. Slapping tariffs on finished goods from China often penalizes multinational production ecosystems, not just "Made in China" labels. In many cases, U.S. companies themselves are the ones getting hit.

If we need to address the strategic manufacturing and the national security concerns (which I agree we do), then the logical strategy is to identify critical sectors and rebuild capacity through targeted investment and incentives, not broad tariffs that raise costs across the board, including for companies trying to compete globally. A blanket tariff on $30 USB cables and auto parts doesn't build industrial strength, it just bleeds purchasing power, and I fear that's what will lead us to a deep recession.

Tariffs without a supply chain to reroute to, or a workforce to absorb new production are not a policy, they're a penalty. And right now we're taxing our own economy for the illusion of leverage.
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ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:

Hope I am wrong… but I don't think China is going to blink first


The real flaw in using tariffs as our weapon of choice against China is painfully basic. If you're going to use protectionism, you need something to protect, and in many critical sectors, we simply don't have that anymore. You can't protect domestic production that doesn't exist. And worse, much of what we import from China isn't easily substitutable, certainly not at scale, and certainly not from markets that offer similar price and volume.

Yes, China needs access to our consumer market. Trump's strategy assumes that gives us leverage. But that leverage is undercut by the fact that we don't have viable alternatives in many product categories, so we end up punishing ourselves. American businesses are still buying the goods, just at higher cost. And consumers are footing the bill. So while this looks like pressure on China, it's actually a tax on Americans for a reshoring plan that hasn't materialized and supply chains that don't yet exist.

China is a hub of integrated supply chains that touch dozens of countries. Slapping tariffs on finished goods from China often penalizes multinational production ecosystems, not just "Made in China" labels. In many cases, U.S. companies themselves are the ones getting hit.

If we need to address the strategic manufacturing and the national security concerns (which I agree we do), then the logical strategy is to identify critical sectors and rebuild capacity through targeted investment and incentives, not broad tariffs that raise costs across the board, including for companies trying to compete globally. A blanket tariff on $30 USB cables and auto parts doesn't build industrial strength, it just bleeds purchasing power, and I fear that's what will lead us to a deep recession.

Tariffs without a supply chain to reroute to, or a workforce to absorb new production are not a policy, they're a penalty. And right now we're taxing our own economy for the illusion of leverage.


LOL
Not pressure on China.
Illusion of leverage.
/LOL

Sure, there are supply chain issues but the majority of trade will go through other friendlier nations. But your point is laughable, the US has leverage and pressure. And much can be obtained elsewhere. All can eventually be obtained elsewhere.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.


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ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:

Hope I am wrong… but I don't think China is going to blink first


The real flaw in using tariffs as our weapon of choice against China is painfully basic. If you're going to use protectionism, you need something to protect, and in many critical sectors, we simply don't have that anymore. You can't protect domestic production that doesn't exist. And worse, much of what we import from China isn't easily substitutable, certainly not at scale, and certainly not from markets that offer similar price and volume.

Yes, China needs access to our consumer market. Trump's strategy assumes that gives us leverage. But that leverage is undercut by the fact that we don't have viable alternatives in many product categories, so we end up punishing ourselves. American businesses are still buying the goods, just at higher cost. And consumers are footing the bill. So while this looks like pressure on China, it's actually a tax on Americans for a reshoring plan that hasn't materialized and supply chains that don't yet exist.

China is a hub of integrated supply chains that touch dozens of countries. Slapping tariffs on finished goods from China often penalizes multinational production ecosystems, not just "Made in China" labels. In many cases, U.S. companies themselves are the ones getting hit.

If we need to address the strategic manufacturing and the national security concerns (which I agree we do), then the logical strategy is to identify critical sectors and rebuild capacity through targeted investment and incentives, not broad tariffs that raise costs across the board, including for companies trying to compete globally. A blanket tariff on $30 USB cables and auto parts doesn't build industrial strength, it just bleeds purchasing power, and I fear that's what will lead us to a deep recession.

Tariffs without a supply chain to reroute to, or a workforce to absorb new production are not a policy, they're a penalty. And right now we're taxing our own economy for the illusion of leverage.


Nice post +1
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:

Hope I am wrong… but I don't think China is going to blink first


The real flaw in using tariffs as our weapon of choice against China is painfully basic. If you're going to use protectionism, you need something to protect, and in many critical sectors, we simply don't have that anymore. You can't protect domestic production that doesn't exist. And worse, much of what we import from China isn't easily substitutable, certainly not at scale, and certainly not from markets that offer similar price and volume.

Yes, China needs access to our consumer market. Trump's strategy assumes that gives us leverage. But that leverage is undercut by the fact that we don't have viable alternatives in many product categories, so we end up punishing ourselves. American businesses are still buying the goods, just at higher cost. And consumers are footing the bill. So while this looks like pressure on China, it's actually a tax on Americans for a reshoring plan that hasn't materialized and supply chains that don't yet exist.

China is a hub of integrated supply chains that touch dozens of countries. Slapping tariffs on finished goods from China often penalizes multinational production ecosystems, not just "Made in China" labels. In many cases, U.S. companies themselves are the ones getting hit.

If we need to address the strategic manufacturing and the national security concerns (which I agree we do), then the logical strategy is to identify critical sectors and rebuild capacity through targeted investment and incentives, not broad tariffs that raise costs across the board, including for companies trying to compete globally. A blanket tariff on $30 USB cables and auto parts doesn't build industrial strength, it just bleeds purchasing power, and I fear that's what will lead us to a deep recession.

Tariffs without a supply chain to reroute to, or a workforce to absorb new production are not a policy, they're a penalty. And right now we're taxing our own economy for the illusion of leverage.


LOL
Not pressure on China.
Illusion of leverage.
/LOL

Sure, there are supply chain issues but the majority of trade will go through other friendlier nations. But your point is laughable, the US has leverage and pressure. And much can be obtained elsewhere. All can eventually be obtained elsewhere.
Good grief…
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Robert Wilson said:

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Good point. I agree..
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ScottS said:

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boognish_bear said:



First real blow of the tariff war waged by the United States against the entire world. Completely suspending postal services is quite a big deal. If China does as well, trade with China will grind to a halt. I wonder how many American businesses would go bankrupt? Trump better stop putting off deals.


Didn't the tariff war actually start when the other countries first put the tariffs on us? Please advise.

No. You've been advised.
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Not sure where this figure is coming from

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Its coming from the Whale watcher guru.
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Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Its coming from the Whale watcher guru.


Ty
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Its coming from the Whale watcher guru.
He should probably wash his hands. I think he pulled it right out of his ass!
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boognish_bear said:

Not sure where this figure is coming from


Think about how much revenue we'd generate if we just doubled the income tax
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boognish_bear said:


Well, Trump opened that door. Let's see how fast he sells Taiwan out. The Taiwan situation will be Taiwan's fault by end of the week...
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