nein51 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Dont consumers pay the incoming tariffs? So wont we be trading an income tax for a consumer tax.?

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Consumption tax does actually tax the rich the most which most people want.

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Yes, in theory the more money you make or spend, the more taxes you pay. Not always though. The rich hire lawyers to keep their bills down.

My point was what difference will it make to the middle to lower class if instead of paying income tax they are now paying tariffs? Tariffs are taxes.

If true, this suggests that the Big Box retailers anticipate (or know) that tariffs with China are in for a quick reset in the coming days or weeks. https://t.co/bSJaql2tdW

— Craig Fuller 🛩🚛🚂⚓️ (@FreightAlley) April 27, 2025

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boognish_bear said:

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Is anybody out there still buying this crap? Donald Trump has us on the fast track to go back to the 1930s. Things are going to get really ugly!

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Calm down, son.

I'd expect you know Trumptalk by now, but maybe panic attacks are how you get your cardio?

Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Is anybody out there still buying this crap? Donald Trump has us on the fast track to go back to the 1930s. Things are going to get really ugly!

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Calm down, son.

I'd expect you know Trumptalk by now, but maybe panic attacks are how you get your cardio?

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So you don't think Trump is serious about reducing taxes on those making less than $200,000? Or the part about massive number of jobs being created?

If it's just "Trumptalk" what's his angle for saying these things? Who is he trying to leverage?

Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Is anybody out there still buying this crap? Donald Trump has us on the fast track to go back to the 1930s. Things are going to get really ugly!

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Calm down, son.

I'd expect you know Trumptalk by now, but maybe panic attacks are how you get your cardio?

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We go from a President that slept on the beach all day to one that wants to pick a fight with the world including our allies. It has not been good on my heart. I was hopeful that with one term under his belt, Trump would be a little more measured, mature, and diplomatic. Boy I was wrong!!! Interesting that Trump was not invited to the NATO Security Summit. I just can't imagine why!!!!

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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nein51 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Dont consumers pay the incoming tariffs? So wont we be trading an income tax for a consumer tax.?

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Consumption tax does actually tax the rich the most which most people want.

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Yes, in theory the more money you make or spend, the more taxes you pay. Not always though. The rich hire lawyers to keep their bills down.

My point was what difference will it make to the middle to lower class if instead of paying income tax they are now paying tariffs? Tariffs are taxes.

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Tariffs are taxes. We agree on that.

Consumption taxes make it way, way harder to avoid paying taxes. Far fewer loop holes on consumption taxes.

Oddly, super unpopular here in the U.S.

The U.S. has a barbell economy.

On one end, we have a financial system and tech sector that is the envy of the world.

On the other end, we have a natural resource-economy led by energy.

In between is where working-class Americans have lost out—and we want to fix that. pic.twitter.com/ysVxibNIQ7

— Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent (@SecScottBessent) April 27, 2025

🇺🇸 *Bessent says "stock market has biggest bounce-back ever" but the media is not reporting on it. pic.twitter.com/crsLtBZGrH

— Jesse Cohen (@JesseCohenInv) April 27, 2025

My friend, mentor, and Nobelist Milton Friedman said it best:

"We call a tariff a protective measure. It does protect. It protects the consumer very well against one thing. It protects the consumer against low prices."pic.twitter.com/BWUDGQDWR3

— Steve Hanke (@steve_hanke) April 27, 2025

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🇺🇸 *Bessent says "stock market has biggest bounce-back ever" but the media is not reporting on it. pic.twitter.com/crsLtBZGrH

— Jesse Cohen (@JesseCohenInv) April 27, 2025

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LOL!!!! Kinda like Biden bragging about bringing down inflation to 3.5 percent when he and his party were responsible for causing it to climb to 9.5 percent.

The stock market has lost more than 1,000 points 11 times in history. 4 of them happened since "Liberation Day."

I have always liked the old saying, "You break it. You buy it."

nein51 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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nein51 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Dont consumers pay the incoming tariffs? So wont we be trading an income tax for a consumer tax.?

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Consumption tax does actually tax the rich the most which most people want.

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Yes, in theory the more money you make or spend, the more taxes you pay. Not always though. The rich hire lawyers to keep their bills down.

My point was what difference will it make to the middle to lower class if instead of paying income tax they are now paying tariffs? Tariffs are taxes.

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Tariffs are taxes. We agree on that.

Consumption taxes make it way, way harder to avoid paying taxes. Far fewer loop holes on consumption taxes.

Oddly, super unpopular here in the U.S.

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When 70% of Americans pay little to no income taxes, shifting more of the tax burden to that group is not popular.

If you believe what you wrote, then son you have become a Democrat and there's no logic to sway you.

Serious question. How many business people from New York do you know?

This matters because if you pay attention, Trump has done this his whole career.

Bold statements, many designed to make it impossible to know his intentions, leading to negotiations which themselves have layers to keep leaks from allowing opponents to counter the moves.

President Trump has a full desk of issues, if you have forgotten:

We still have millions of illegals living in out country, many with criminal connections or worse;

We have decades of government waste, basically paying obscene money to foreign NGOs and federal agencies with no accountability;

We have a public which has gotten used to being cheated by various levels of government out of most of their money.

We have an Establishment which sees itself as a de facto aristocracy, accountable to no one;

We have a media which is generally nothing more than a Propaganda machine;

We have unelected judges who believe they can control all government policy;

We have a massive federal debt, far beyond easy solution;

And when we finally get a President who is trying to somehow address all of these against tremendous and hostile opposition, he's expected to tell everyone all his details and intentions, so all those people working against him can plan how and where to focus their resources and energy.

To them I say: Drop dead.

And while the TDS-ers here keep missing the fact, I voted for someone else in each of the primary elections. I only lined up behind Trump because the other remaining choice was to excuse or abet evil.

If you cannot understand that, God help you.

Oldbear83 said:

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If you believe what you wrote, then son you have become a Democrat and there's no logic to sway you.

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I read again what I wrote and it seemed pretty tame to me. It is a shame that you have lost all objectivity when it comes to Donald Trump. You believe the man can do no wrong. You would chop your right arm off if Donald Trump told you it was a good idea. You definitely have plenty of company.

For the record, I will not support any candidate that embraces tariffs. EVER. So I just may be voting Democrat. We shall see how bad the damage is.

What sane man imagines the Democrats will lead to better economic solutions?

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Is anybody out there still buying this crap? Donald Trump has us on the fast track to go back to the 1930s. Things are going to get really ugly!

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Calm down, son.

I'd expect you know Trumptalk by now, but maybe panic attacks are how you get your cardio?

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We go from a President that slept on the beach all day to one that wants to pick a fight with the world including our allies. It has not been good on my heart. I was hopeful that with one term under his belt, Trump would be a little more measured, mature, and diplomatic. Boy I was wrong!!! Interesting that Trump was not invited to the NATO Security Summit. I just can't imagine why!!!!

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Trump is "more measured, mature, and diplomatic" than before and more than Obama or Biden. Don't forget that Obama saw Russia take over the crimes & did nothing, helped overthrow a legitimately elected government in Ukraine, and tried to manipulate an Israeli election. All three of those set the stage for even worse under Biden (Obama's third term): the Russian invasion of Ukraine, October 7, 2023 & the continued war in Gaza, etc. Biden did nothing to prevent or stop those disasters because his attitude was like Europe's today: he welcomed and encouraged them.

Our fascist leaders acted like Europe's fascist leaders only they are worse. Given time and another term, I have no doubt Kamala would have things just as bad here with more Christian's arrested for praying near abortion clinics (mini-Auschwitzes), more illegals flooding into this country, an escalating crime wave caused by illegals & domestic miscreants, increased racial tensions fueled by the government's racist policies, victims of crime further victimized by govt (as in Europe today), and so on.

America's fascists are still following the Cloward-Piven strategy and using Alinsky's tactics. They want chaos because they thrive on it and they are evil. Most people are completely unaware how much disaster the 2024 election averted! Even as losers, our fascists are still pursuing these strategies but now there is push back.

historian said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Is anybody out there still buying this crap? Donald Trump has us on the fast track to go back to the 1930s. Things are going to get really ugly!

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Calm down, son.

I'd expect you know Trumptalk by now, but maybe panic attacks are how you get your cardio?

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We go from a President that slept on the beach all day to one that wants to pick a fight with the world including our allies. It has not been good on my heart. I was hopeful that with one term under his belt, Trump would be a little more measured, mature, and diplomatic. Boy I was wrong!!! Interesting that Trump was not invited to the NATO Security Summit. I just can't imagine why!!!!

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Trump is "more measured, mature, and diplomatic" than before and more than Obama or Biden. Don't forget that Obama saw Russia take over the crimes & did nothing, helped overthrow a legitimately elected government in Ukraine, and tried to manipulate an Israeli election. All three of those set the stage for even worse under Biden (Obama's third term): the Russian invasion of Ukraine, October 7, 2023 & the continued war in Gaza, etc. Biden did nothing to prevent or stop those disasters because his attitude was like Europe's today: he welcomed and encouraged them.

Our fascist leaders acted like Europe's fascist leaders only they are worse. Given time and another term, I have no doubt Kamala would have things just as bad here with more Christian's arrested for praying near abortion clinics (mini-Auschwitzes), more illegals flooding into this country, an escalating crime wave caused by illegals & domestic miscreants, increased racial tensions fueled by the government's racist policies, victims of crime further victimized by govt (as in Europe today), and so on.

America's fascists are still following the Cloward-Piven strategy and using Alinsky's tactics. They want chaos because they thrive on it and they are evil. Most people are completely unaware how much disaster the 2024 election averted! Even as losers, our fascists are still pursuing these strategies but now there is push back.

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You know calling liberals fascist doesn't make them fascist. Biden and especially Obama were not Nationalist. Hell, Obama apologized for the US regularly. Democratic Socialist, I think is a closer definition. I know you like the word Fascist for the dramatic effect, but Biden was not Fascist, Democratic Socialist sure Obama far left Fascist? Maybe, since he used Charisma to accomplish his goals, but the Nationalist aspect was missing.

Trump, Authoritarian, Nationalist, Traditionalist, are where I put him. Fascist? I dont go that far as he has not used Government to suppress dissent.

Any extremism is not good in my opinion. Biden and Obama were bad for US. Trump, unfortunately is listening to Bannon and Miller. The mess he is creating will throw Congress back left...

Oldbear83 said:

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Serious question. How many business people from New York do you know?

This matters because if you pay attention, Trump has done this his whole career.

Bold statements, many designed to make it impossible to know his intentions, leading to negotiations which themselves have layers to keep leaks from allowing opponents to counter the moves.

President Trump has a full desk of issues, if you have forgotten:

We still have millions of illegals living in out country, many with criminal connections or worse;

We have decades of government waste, basically paying obscene money to foreign NGOs and federal agencies with no accountability;

We have a public which has gotten used to being cheated by various levels of government out of most of their money.

We have an Establishment which sees itself as a de facto aristocracy, accountable to no one;

We have a media which is generally nothing more than a Propaganda machine;

We have unelected judges who believe they can control all government policy;

We have a massive federal debt, far beyond easy solution;

And when we finally get a President who is trying to somehow address all of these against tremendous and hostile opposition, he's expected to tell everyone all his details and intentions, so all those people working against him can plan how and where to focus their resources and energy.

To them I say: Drop dead.

And while the TDS-ers here keep missing the fact, I voted for someone else in each of the primary elections. I only lined up behind Trump because the other remaining choice was to excuse or abet evil.

If you cannot understand that, God help you.

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You tell people that dont agree with you politically to drop dead. Then you invoke God to help those that think differently. You have become a strange old man.

FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Is anybody out there still buying this crap? Donald Trump has us on the fast track to go back to the 1930s. Things are going to get really ugly!

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Calm down, son.

I'd expect you know Trumptalk by now, but maybe panic attacks are how you get your cardio?

---

We go from a President that slept on the beach all day to one that wants to pick a fight with the world including our allies. It has not been good on my heart. I was hopeful that with one term under his belt, Trump would be a little more measured, mature, and diplomatic. Boy I was wrong!!! Interesting that Trump was not invited to the NATO Security Summit. I just can't imagine why!!!!

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Trump is "more measured, mature, and diplomatic" than before and more than Obama or Biden. Don't forget that Obama saw Russia take over the crimes & did nothing, helped overthrow a legitimately elected government in Ukraine, and tried to manipulate an Israeli election. All three of those set the stage for even worse under Biden (Obama's third term): the Russian invasion of Ukraine, October 7, 2023 & the continued war in Gaza, etc. Biden did nothing to prevent or stop those disasters because his attitude was like Europe's today: he welcomed and encouraged them.

Our fascist leaders acted like Europe's fascist leaders only they are worse. Given time and another term, I have no doubt Kamala would have things just as bad here with more Christian's arrested for praying near abortion clinics (mini-Auschwitzes), more illegals flooding into this country, an escalating crime wave caused by illegals & domestic miscreants, increased racial tensions fueled by the government's racist policies, victims of crime further victimized by govt (as in Europe today), and so on.

America's fascists are still following the Cloward-Piven strategy and using Alinsky's tactics. They want chaos because they thrive on it and they are evil. Most people are completely unaware how much disaster the 2024 election averted! Even as losers, our fascists are still pursuing these strategies but now there is push back.

---

You know calling liberals fascist doesn't make them fascist. Biden and especially Obama were not Nationalist. Hell, Obama apologized for the US regularly. Democratic Socialist, I think is a closer definition. I know you like the word Fascist for the dramatic effect, but Biden was not Fascist, Democratic Socialist sure Obama far left Fascist? Maybe, since he used Charisma to accomplish his goals, but the Nationalist aspect was missing.

Trump, Authoritarian, Nationalist, Traditionalist, are where I put him. Fascist? I dont go that far as he has not used Government to suppress dissent.

Any extremism is not good in my opinion. Biden and Obama were bad for US. Trump, unfortunately is listening to Bannon and Miller. The mess he is creating will throw Congress back left...

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I call modern Leftists "fascist" because they are fascists. It is an accurate label. It defines their ideology and ascribes their behaviors. One thing they must definitely are NOT is liberal.

Classical liberalism, properly defined, is the belief in limited government, individual liberty (speech, press, religion, etc) & moral responsibility, rule of law, equality, etc. These ideas described the Founding Fathers and they are why the US was created as it was with the Declaration of Independence explaining this and the Constitution creating a republic to make it reality. It's noteworthy that the modern Left is the complete opposite in every way.

Fascism is the branch of socialism that tolerates private property so long as the government controls how it is used. Burdensome rules & regulations gradually reduce those property "rights" into meaninglessness for everyone except the super elites who are politically connected. It is an incredibly corrupt and politically incestuous relationship. It's also what we have now in the US. It's even worse in Canada, Europe, & other countries.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Serious question. How many business people from New York do you know?

This matters because if you pay attention, Trump has done this his whole career.

Bold statements, many designed to make it impossible to know his intentions, leading to negotiations which themselves have layers to keep leaks from allowing opponents to counter the moves.

President Trump has a full desk of issues, if you have forgotten:

We still have millions of illegals living in out country, many with criminal connections or worse;

We have decades of government waste, basically paying obscene money to foreign NGOs and federal agencies with no accountability;

We have a public which has gotten used to being cheated by various levels of government out of most of their money.

We have an Establishment which sees itself as a de facto aristocracy, accountable to no one;

We have a media which is generally nothing more than a Propaganda machine;

We have unelected judges who believe they can control all government policy;

We have a massive federal debt, far beyond easy solution;

And when we finally get a President who is trying to somehow address all of these against tremendous and hostile opposition, he's expected to tell everyone all his details and intentions, so all those people working against him can plan how and where to focus their resources and energy.

To them I say: Drop dead.

And while the TDS-ers here keep missing the fact, I voted for someone else in each of the primary elections. I only lined up behind Trump because the other remaining choice was to excuse or abet evil.

If you cannot understand that, God help you.

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You tell people that dont agree with you politically to drop dead. Then you invoke God to help those that think differently. You have become a strange old man.

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Actually LIQR, you REMAIN someone who ignores what is actually written,in order to attack something never said.

You should apply to the New York Times, they would make you an editor!

historian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Is anybody out there still buying this crap? Donald Trump has us on the fast track to go back to the 1930s. Things are going to get really ugly!

---

Calm down, son.

I'd expect you know Trumptalk by now, but maybe panic attacks are how you get your cardio?

---

We go from a President that slept on the beach all day to one that wants to pick a fight with the world including our allies. It has not been good on my heart. I was hopeful that with one term under his belt, Trump would be a little more measured, mature, and diplomatic. Boy I was wrong!!! Interesting that Trump was not invited to the NATO Security Summit. I just can't imagine why!!!!

---

Trump is "more measured, mature, and diplomatic" than before and more than Obama or Biden. Don't forget that Obama saw Russia take over the crimes & did nothing, helped overthrow a legitimately elected government in Ukraine, and tried to manipulate an Israeli election. All three of those set the stage for even worse under Biden (Obama's third term): the Russian invasion of Ukraine, October 7, 2023 & the continued war in Gaza, etc. Biden did nothing to prevent or stop those disasters because his attitude was like Europe's today: he welcomed and encouraged them.

Our fascist leaders acted like Europe's fascist leaders only they are worse. Given time and another term, I have no doubt Kamala would have things just as bad here with more Christian's arrested for praying near abortion clinics (mini-Auschwitzes), more illegals flooding into this country, an escalating crime wave caused by illegals & domestic miscreants, increased racial tensions fueled by the government's racist policies, victims of crime further victimized by govt (as in Europe today), and so on.

America's fascists are still following the Cloward-Piven strategy and using Alinsky's tactics. They want chaos because they thrive on it and they are evil. Most people are completely unaware how much disaster the 2024 election averted! Even as losers, our fascists are still pursuing these strategies but now there is push back.

---

You know calling liberals fascist doesn't make them fascist. Biden and especially Obama were not Nationalist. Hell, Obama apologized for the US regularly. Democratic Socialist, I think is a closer definition. I know you like the word Fascist for the dramatic effect, but Biden was not Fascist, Democratic Socialist sure Obama far left Fascist? Maybe, since he used Charisma to accomplish his goals, but the Nationalist aspect was missing.

Trump, Authoritarian, Nationalist, Traditionalist, are where I put him. Fascist? I dont go that far as he has not used Government to suppress dissent.

Any extremism is not good in my opinion. Biden and Obama were bad for US. Trump, unfortunately is listening to Bannon and Miller. The mess he is creating will throw Congress back left...

---

I call modern Leftists "fascist" because they are fascists. It is an accurate label. It defines their ideology and ascribes their behaviors. One thing they must definitely are NOT is liberal.

Classical liberalism, properly defined, is the belief in limited government, individual liberty (speech, press, religion, etc) & moral responsibility, rule of law, equality, etc. These ideas described the Founding Fathers and they are why the US was created as it was with the Declaration of Independence explaining this and the Constitution creating a republic to make it reality. It's noteworthy that the modern Left is the complete opposite in every way.

Fascism is the branch of socialism that tolerates private property so long as the government controls how it is used. Burdensome rules & regulations gradually reduce those property "rights" into meaninglessness for everyone except the super elites who are politically connected. It is an incredibly corrupt and politically incestuous relationship. It's also what we have now in the US. It's even worse in Canada, Europe, & other countries.

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We agree on Liberal. Milton Friedman was considered a liberal in the classic sense. The left are progressives at the best, communist at the worst and most in the middle as socialist.

Fascist is traditionally a right wing Nationalist political movement. I don't think Biden fits, Democratic Socialist is where I put him.

Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Serious question. How many business people from New York do you know?

This matters because if you pay attention, Trump has done this his whole career.

Bold statements, many designed to make it impossible to know his intentions, leading to negotiations which themselves have layers to keep leaks from allowing opponents to counter the moves.

President Trump has a full desk of issues, if you have forgotten:

We still have millions of illegals living in out country, many with criminal connections or worse;

We have decades of government waste, basically paying obscene money to foreign NGOs and federal agencies with no accountability;

We have a public which has gotten used to being cheated by various levels of government out of most of their money.

We have an Establishment which sees itself as a de facto aristocracy, accountable to no one;

We have a media which is generally nothing more than a Propaganda machine;

We have unelected judges who believe they can control all government policy;

We have a massive federal debt, far beyond easy solution;

And when we finally get a President who is trying to somehow address all of these against tremendous and hostile opposition, he's expected to tell everyone all his details and intentions, so all those people working against him can plan how and where to focus their resources and energy.

To them I say: Drop dead.

And while the TDS-ers here keep missing the fact, I voted for someone else in each of the primary elections. I only lined up behind Trump because the other remaining choice was to excuse or abet evil.

If you cannot understand that, God help you.

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You tell people that dont agree with you politically to drop dead. Then you invoke God to help those that think differently. You have become a strange old man.

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Actually LIQR, you REMAIN someone who ignores what is actually written,in order to attack something never said.

You should apply to the New York Times, they would make you an editor!

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I quoted you. Help me out. Who were you telling to Drop dead? Who are you asking for God to help?

FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Is anybody out there still buying this crap? Donald Trump has us on the fast track to go back to the 1930s. Things are going to get really ugly!

---

Calm down, son.

I'd expect you know Trumptalk by now, but maybe panic attacks are how you get your cardio?

---

We go from a President that slept on the beach all day to one that wants to pick a fight with the world including our allies. It has not been good on my heart. I was hopeful that with one term under his belt, Trump would be a little more measured, mature, and diplomatic. Boy I was wrong!!! Interesting that Trump was not invited to the NATO Security Summit. I just can't imagine why!!!!

---

Trump is "more measured, mature, and diplomatic" than before and more than Obama or Biden. Don't forget that Obama saw Russia take over the crimes & did nothing, helped overthrow a legitimately elected government in Ukraine, and tried to manipulate an Israeli election. All three of those set the stage for even worse under Biden (Obama's third term): the Russian invasion of Ukraine, October 7, 2023 & the continued war in Gaza, etc. Biden did nothing to prevent or stop those disasters because his attitude was like Europe's today: he welcomed and encouraged them.

Our fascist leaders acted like Europe's fascist leaders only they are worse. Given time and another term, I have no doubt Kamala would have things just as bad here with more Christian's arrested for praying near abortion clinics (mini-Auschwitzes), more illegals flooding into this country, an escalating crime wave caused by illegals & domestic miscreants, increased racial tensions fueled by the government's racist policies, victims of crime further victimized by govt (as in Europe today), and so on.

America's fascists are still following the Cloward-Piven strategy and using Alinsky's tactics. They want chaos because they thrive on it and they are evil. Most people are completely unaware how much disaster the 2024 election averted! Even as losers, our fascists are still pursuing these strategies but now there is push back.

---

You know calling liberals fascist doesn't make them fascist. Biden and especially Obama were not Nationalist. Hell, Obama apologized for the US regularly. Democratic Socialist, I think is a closer definition. I know you like the word Fascist for the dramatic effect, but Biden was not Fascist, Democratic Socialist sure Obama far left Fascist? Maybe, since he used Charisma to accomplish his goals, but the Nationalist aspect was missing.

Trump, Authoritarian, Nationalist, Traditionalist, are where I put him. Fascist? I dont go that far as he has not used Government to suppress dissent.

Any extremism is not good in my opinion. Biden and Obama were bad for US. Trump, unfortunately is listening to Bannon and Miller. The mess he is creating will throw Congress back left...

---

I call modern Leftists "fascist" because they are fascists. It is an accurate label. It defines their ideology and ascribes their behaviors. One thing they must definitely are NOT is liberal.

Classical liberalism, properly defined, is the belief in limited government, individual liberty (speech, press, religion, etc) & moral responsibility, rule of law, equality, etc. These ideas described the Founding Fathers and they are why the US was created as it was with the Declaration of Independence explaining this and the Constitution creating a republic to make it reality. It's noteworthy that the modern Left is the complete opposite in every way.

Fascism is the branch of socialism that tolerates private property so long as the government controls how it is used. Burdensome rules & regulations gradually reduce those property "rights" into meaninglessness for everyone except the super elites who are politically connected. It is an incredibly corrupt and politically incestuous relationship. It's also what we have now in the US. It's even worse in Canada, Europe, & other countries.

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We agree on Liberal. Milton Friedman was considered a liberal in the classic sense. The left are progressives at the best, communist at the worst and most in the middle as socialist.

Fascist is traditionally a right wing Nationalist political movement. I don't think Biden fits, Democratic Socialist is where I put him.

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I think Sanders fits more into the middle Wacko area. He's not a realist, has no common sense and got rich by being bizarre. With a protege like AOC, she has understood that you can make A LOT of money by screaming and yelling at the moon. Requires no real agenda or rationality. It's a party that more and more Democrats fit every day

JUST IN: 🇨🇳🇺🇸 Chinese company Temu known for its cheap prices adds import charges of up to 150% to counter US tariffs. pic.twitter.com/wIwUK2tiCC

— Watcher.Guru (@WatcherGuru) April 28, 2025

Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Is anybody out there still buying this crap? Donald Trump has us on the fast track to go back to the 1930s. Things are going to get really ugly!

---

Calm down, son.

I'd expect you know Trumptalk by now, but maybe panic attacks are how you get your cardio?

---

We go from a President that slept on the beach all day to one that wants to pick a fight with the world including our allies. It has not been good on my heart. I was hopeful that with one term under his belt, Trump would be a little more measured, mature, and diplomatic. Boy I was wrong!!! Interesting that Trump was not invited to the NATO Security Summit. I just can't imagine why!!!!

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Trump is "more measured, mature, and diplomatic" than before and more than Obama or Biden. Don't forget that Obama saw Russia take over the crimes & did nothing, helped overthrow a legitimately elected government in Ukraine, and tried to manipulate an Israeli election. All three of those set the stage for even worse under Biden (Obama's third term): the Russian invasion of Ukraine, October 7, 2023 & the continued war in Gaza, etc. Biden did nothing to prevent or stop those disasters because his attitude was like Europe's today: he welcomed and encouraged them.

Our fascist leaders acted like Europe's fascist leaders only they are worse. Given time and another term, I have no doubt Kamala would have things just as bad here with more Christian's arrested for praying near abortion clinics (mini-Auschwitzes), more illegals flooding into this country, an escalating crime wave caused by illegals & domestic miscreants, increased racial tensions fueled by the government's racist policies, victims of crime further victimized by govt (as in Europe today), and so on.

America's fascists are still following the Cloward-Piven strategy and using Alinsky's tactics. They want chaos because they thrive on it and they are evil. Most people are completely unaware how much disaster the 2024 election averted! Even as losers, our fascists are still pursuing these strategies but now there is push back.

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You know calling liberals fascist doesn't make them fascist. Biden and especially Obama were not Nationalist. Hell, Obama apologized for the US regularly. Democratic Socialist, I think is a closer definition. I know you like the word Fascist for the dramatic effect, but Biden was not Fascist, Democratic Socialist sure Obama far left Fascist? Maybe, since he used Charisma to accomplish his goals, but the Nationalist aspect was missing.

Trump, Authoritarian, Nationalist, Traditionalist, are where I put him. Fascist? I dont go that far as he has not used Government to suppress dissent.

Any extremism is not good in my opinion. Biden and Obama were bad for US. Trump, unfortunately is listening to Bannon and Miller. The mess he is creating will throw Congress back left...

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I call modern Leftists "fascist" because they are fascists. It is an accurate label. It defines their ideology and ascribes their behaviors. One thing they must definitely are NOT is liberal.

Classical liberalism, properly defined, is the belief in limited government, individual liberty (speech, press, religion, etc) & moral responsibility, rule of law, equality, etc. These ideas described the Founding Fathers and they are why the US was created as it was with the Declaration of Independence explaining this and the Constitution creating a republic to make it reality. It's noteworthy that the modern Left is the complete opposite in every way.

Fascism is the branch of socialism that tolerates private property so long as the government controls how it is used. Burdensome rules & regulations gradually reduce those property "rights" into meaninglessness for everyone except the super elites who are politically connected. It is an incredibly corrupt and politically incestuous relationship. It's also what we have now in the US. It's even worse in Canada, Europe, & other countries.

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We agree on Liberal. Milton Friedman was considered a liberal in the classic sense. The left are progressives at the best, communist at the worst and most in the middle as socialist.

Fascist is traditionally a right wing Nationalist political movement. I don't think Biden fits, Democratic Socialist is where I put him.

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I think Sanders fits more into the middle Wacko area. He's not a realist, has no common sense and got rich by being bizarre. With a protege like AOC, she has understood that you can make A LOT of money by screaming and yelling at the moon. Requires no real agenda or rationality. It's a party that more and more Democrats fit every day

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To tag onto one of your earlier comments, at least Pope Francis lived his beliefs... I respect progressives that honestly live it, may not agree.

Laughing at people thinking that words like Fascist continue to have any objective meaning.

JUST IN: 🇨🇳🇺🇸 China denies President Xi Jinping called President Trump as he claimed.

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Laughing at people thinking that words like Fascist continue to have any objective meaning.

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Laughing right back at those of you that think they don't... Words have meaning.

FLBear5630 said:

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Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Laughing at people thinking that words like Fascist continue to have any objective meaning.

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Laughing right back at those of you that think they don't... Words have meaning.

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The fact that y'all continue to argue about the applicability of that word proves otherwise.

Infinity applicability equals nil applicability when it comes to labels.

Oldbear83 said:

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Serious question. How many business people from New York do you know?

This matters because if you pay attention, Trump has done this his whole career.

Bold statements, many designed to make it impossible to know his intentions, leading to negotiations which themselves have layers to keep leaks from allowing opponents to counter the moves.

President Trump has a full desk of issues, if you have forgotten:

We still have millions of illegals living in out country, many with criminal connections or worse;

We have decades of government waste, basically paying obscene money to foreign NGOs and federal agencies with no accountability;

We have a public which has gotten used to being cheated by various levels of government out of most of their money.

We have an Establishment which sees itself as a de facto aristocracy, accountable to no one;

We have a media which is generally nothing more than a Propaganda machine;

We have unelected judges who believe they can control all government policy;

We have a massive federal debt, far beyond easy solution;

And when we finally get a President who is trying to somehow address all of these against tremendous and hostile opposition, he's expected to tell everyone all his details and intentions, so all those people working against him can plan how and where to focus their resources and energy.

To them I say: Drop dead.

And while the TDS-ers here keep missing the fact, I voted for someone else in each of the primary elections. I only lined up behind Trump because the other remaining choice was to excuse or abet evil.

If you cannot understand that, God help you.

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I know a lot of business people in NY (wall street). and they have zero time for Trump. To a person, the despise him.

boognish_bear said:

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JUST IN: 🇨🇳🇺🇸 China denies President Xi Jinping called President Trump as he claimed.

— Watcher.Guru (@WatcherGuru) April 28, 2025

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wut? Trump lied? No way!

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Serious question. How many business people from New York do you know?

This matters because if you pay attention, Trump has done this his whole career.

Bold statements, many designed to make it impossible to know his intentions, leading to negotiations which themselves have layers to keep leaks from allowing opponents to counter the moves.

President Trump has a full desk of issues, if you have forgotten:

We still have millions of illegals living in out country, many with criminal connections or worse;

We have decades of government waste, basically paying obscene money to foreign NGOs and federal agencies with no accountability;

We have a public which has gotten used to being cheated by various levels of government out of most of their money.

We have an Establishment which sees itself as a de facto aristocracy, accountable to no one;

We have a media which is generally nothing more than a Propaganda machine;

We have unelected judges who believe they can control all government policy;

We have a massive federal debt, far beyond easy solution;

And when we finally get a President who is trying to somehow address all of these against tremendous and hostile opposition, he's expected to tell everyone all his details and intentions, so all those people working against him can plan how and where to focus their resources and energy.

To them I say: Drop dead.

And while the TDS-ers here keep missing the fact, I voted for someone else in each of the primary elections. I only lined up behind Trump because the other remaining choice was to excuse or abet evil.

If you cannot understand that, God help you.

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You tell people that dont agree with you politically to drop dead. Then you invoke God to help those that think differently. You have become a strange old man.

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Actually LIQR, you REMAIN someone who ignores what is actually written,in order to attack something never said.

You should apply to the New York Times, they would make you an editor!

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I quoted you. Help me out. Who were you telling to Drop dead? Who are you asking for God to help?

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Ask an adult to read my whole post to you, and go slowly on parts involving colloquial phrases and common figures of speech.

J.R. said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Serious question. How many business people from New York do you know?

This matters because if you pay attention, Trump has done this his whole career.

Bold statements, many designed to make it impossible to know his intentions, leading to negotiations which themselves have layers to keep leaks from allowing opponents to counter the moves.

President Trump has a full desk of issues, if you have forgotten:

We still have millions of illegals living in out country, many with criminal connections or worse;

We have decades of government waste, basically paying obscene money to foreign NGOs and federal agencies with no accountability;

We have a public which has gotten used to being cheated by various levels of government out of most of their money.

We have an Establishment which sees itself as a de facto aristocracy, accountable to no one;

We have a media which is generally nothing more than a Propaganda machine;

We have unelected judges who believe they can control all government policy;

We have a massive federal debt, far beyond easy solution;

And when we finally get a President who is trying to somehow address all of these against tremendous and hostile opposition, he's expected to tell everyone all his details and intentions, so all those people working against him can plan how and where to focus their resources and energy.

To them I say: Drop dead.

And while the TDS-ers here keep missing the fact, I voted for someone else in each of the primary elections. I only lined up behind Trump because the other remaining choice was to excuse or abet evil.

If you cannot understand that, God help you.

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I know a lot of business people in NY (wall street). and they have zero time for Trump. To a person, the despise him.

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Funny, I know dozens of New York real estate people who respect his accomplishments and skill

Mine actually exist, by the way, yours may be leftovers from "The Apprentice" who didn't make it to the finale.