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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

BREAKING: The Trump Administration has just dropped tariffs on dozens of food items, including:

Beef
Tomatoes
Coffee
Bananas
Coconuts
Nuts
Avocados
Pineapples

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) November 14, 2025

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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

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Taxation without representation. Only Congress can levy taxes. I am gonna celebrate with a cup of tea and I don't even like tea.

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

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Taxation without representation. Only Congress can levy taxes. I am gonna celebrate with a cup of tea and I don't even like tea.

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Very British of you.

Don't forget to report your neighbor for praying.

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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

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Taxation without representation. Only Congress can levy taxes. I am gonna celebrate with a cup of tea and I don't even like tea.

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Only if you believe that Tariffs are Taxes. I agree with Scott Bessant, they are two very different animals

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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

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Taxation without representation. Only Congress can levy taxes. I am gonna celebrate with a cup of tea and I don't even like tea.

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Only if you believe that Tariffs are Taxes. I agree with Scott Bessant, they are two very different animals

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I don't happen to be a big fan of either. Americans should keep more of their hard-earned money. That is America First!

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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

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Taxation without representation. Only Congress can levy taxes. I am gonna celebrate with a cup of tea and I don't even like tea.

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Only if you believe that Tariffs are Taxes. I agree with Scott Bessant, they are two very different animals

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I don't happen to be a big fan of either. Americans should keep more of their hard-earned money. That is America First!

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You really have no idea about why Trump is doing it this way, do you?

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

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Taxation without representation. Only Congress can levy taxes. I am gonna celebrate with a cup of tea and I don't even like tea.

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Only if you believe that Tariffs are Taxes. I agree with Scott Bessant, they are two very different animals

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I don't happen to be a big fan of either. Americans should keep more of their hard-earned money. That is America First!

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You really have no idea about why Trump is doing it this way, do you?

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Please explain it to me. Don't use too many big words. Speak slowly. Please tell me why one out of every four Americans living paycheck to paycheck is Trump's 4 D chess master plan. Why does Trump feel the need to send out 2025 $2,000 stimulus checks if we are "the hottest country in the world?" (That term makes me want to stomp small puppies every time he says it!)

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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

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Taxation without representation. Only Congress can levy taxes. I am gonna celebrate with a cup of tea and I don't even like tea.

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Only if you believe that Tariffs are Taxes. I agree with Scott Bessant, they are two very different animals

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I don't happen to be a big fan of either. Americans should keep more of their hard-earned money. That is America First!

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You really have no idea about why Trump is doing it this way, do you?

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Please explain it to me. Don't use too many big words. Speak slowly. Please tell me why one out of every four Americans living paycheck to paycheck is Trump's 4 D chess master plan. Why does Trump feel the need to send out 2025 $2,000 stimulus checks if we are "the hottest country in the world?" (That term makes me want to stomp small puppies every time he says it!)

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I think I'm gonna let you wallow in your pig slop. Maybe you can figure it out

Hint, think Apples and Oranges

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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

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Taxation without representation. Only Congress can levy taxes. I am gonna celebrate with a cup of tea and I don't even like tea.

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Only if you believe that Tariffs are Taxes. I agree with Scott Bessant, they are two very different animals

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I don't happen to be a big fan of either. Americans should keep more of their hard-earned money. That is America First!

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You really have no idea about why Trump is doing it this way, do you?

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Please explain it to me. Don't use too many big words. Speak slowly. Please tell me why one out of every four Americans living paycheck to paycheck is Trump's 4 D chess master plan. Why does Trump feel the need to send out 2025 $2,000 stimulus checks if we are "the hottest country in the world?" (That term makes me want to stomp small puppies every time he says it!)

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I think I'm gonna let you wallow in your pig slop. Maybe you can figure it out

Hint, think Apples and Oranges

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Excellent and well thought out response! Thank you. No, I still don't really know what the Hell Trump is doing.

He has been spectacular at securing the border and bringing down the price of eggs. Now, he should start working on the other stuff. It has been almost a year.

So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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Trump is basically trying to fix a problem he created and take a bow. Not surprising. That's just how he rolls.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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Trump is basically trying to fix a problem he created and take a bow. Not surprising. That's just how he rolls.

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"Sometimes it seems as if there are more solutions than problems. On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today's problems are a result of yesterday's solutions."
-Thomas Sowell

This is not hard to understand. We started importing a lot of beef. Our beef herd attritted (both numbers of cattle and numbers of producers). Now, we need to rebuild the beef herd (and, implicitly, the numbers of producers). To do that, we have to increase the price of imported beef (with tariffs). If you put the tariffs too high, the foreign supply constricts too quickly.

Or you can just open our market freely and let the Brazilians run us out of the beef business. Beef will be cheaper, at least until the process is complete. And as Brazilian and Chinese relations improve, China will have some influence of Brazilian beef export policy, to include influence over Brazilian embargo of beef in protest of future US policies. And those Brazilian beef exports to the USA will sail within striking distance of Chinese and Russian and Iranian weapons systems currently stationed in Venezuela. The more beef we import, the more have to worry about all of that stuff.

Or we could put in place policy to incentivize more domestic production of beef. We can put quotas in place, but the shortage of domestic supply will cause prices to rise. We can give subsidies to beef producers to grow herds, but that will cost money. Or we can put on a tariff. It will cause prices to rise, but it will generate modest revenues. Reasonable people can disagree on which is better. But everybody likes beef.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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Yes, producers who benefit from tariffs always end up raising their prices as they know it's an artificial market advantage they can take advantage of. We saw this in Trump's first term with steel and in the 80s in the auto industry. But iT Is DiFfeREnt tHiS tImE…

Fed Study Vindicates Trump Trade Policy: 150 Years of Evidence Shows Tariffs Lower Inflation

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BREAKING: President Trump drops tariffs on beef, coffee and tropical fruit as pressure builds on consumer prices. https://t.co/JiFcp3ltVd

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 14, 2025

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I thought Tariffs were working according to fat boy.

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Pritzker weighed in on the tariff's success?

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Fed Study Vindicates Trump Trade Policy: 150 Years of Evidence Shows Tariffs Lower Inflation

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We gonna party like it's 1929!

Actually, the Supreme Court of the United States is about to save Donald Trump from himself regarding the tariffs and the economy. By a 7-2 vote. Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas will side with Trump. Life is good.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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I doubt it. Beef producers simply sell, they know the market is fickle. You totally made that up didn't you?

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Assassin said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Switzerland has agreed to invest $200 billion in the US as a part of a new trade deal.

Switzerland will also purchase more Boeing planes and US tariffs will be reduced from 39% to 15%.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) November 14, 2025

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Loving those tariffs.

Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees with me

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Taxation without representation. Only Congress can levy taxes. I am gonna celebrate with a cup of tea and I don't even like tea.

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Only if you believe that Tariffs are Taxes. I agree with Scott Bessant, they are two very different animals

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I don't happen to be a big fan of either. Americans should keep more of their hard-earned money. That is America First!

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You really have no idea about why Trump is doing it this way, do you?

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In fairness, neither does Trump.

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In fairness, Trump seems to be doing better with the REAL THING, than your complaining projects to be doing without doing one damn thing

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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I doubt it. Beef producers simply sell, they know the market is fickle. You totally made that up didn't you?

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As a former ' beef producer ' who sold thousands of head , can assure I always sold based on the price.

Never ' simply sell '.

That is ridiculous.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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Trump is basically trying to fix a problem he created and take a bow. Not surprising. That's just how he rolls.

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"Sometimes it seems as if there are more solutions than problems. On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today's problems are a result of yesterday's solutions."
-Thomas Sowell

This is not hard to understand. We started importing a lot of beef. Our beef herd attritted (both numbers of cattle and numbers of producers). Now, we need to rebuild the beef herd (and, implicitly, the numbers of producers). To do that, we have to increase the price of imported beef (with tariffs). If you put the tariffs too high, the foreign supply constricts too quickly.

Or you can just open our market freely and let the Brazilians run us out of the beef business. Beef will be cheaper, at least until the process is complete. And as Brazilian and Chinese relations improve, China will have some influence of Brazilian beef export policy, to include influence over Brazilian embargo of beef in protest of future US policies. And those Brazilian beef exports to the USA will sail within striking distance of Chinese and Russian and Iranian weapons systems currently stationed in Venezuela. The more beef we import, the more have to worry about all of that stuff.

Or we could put in place policy to incentivize more domestic production of beef. We can put quotas in place, but the shortage of domestic supply will cause prices to rise. We can give subsidies to beef producers to grow herds, but that will cost money. Or we can put on a tariff. It will cause prices to rise, but it will generate modest revenues. Reasonable people can disagree on which is better. But everybody likes beef.

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So now Venezuela using Russian and Iranian weapons are going to be bombing Brazilian ships with beef on them? You are weaving epic tales at this point because the business case for tariffs is floundering. Higher prices, fewer jobs, and economic volatility. Maybe the Supreme Court will save Trump from himself.

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no, I'm making valid geopolitical observations.

-no country wants to be dependent on imported food supply.
-no country wants to be dependent on imported energy sources.
-no country wants to be dependent on imported on strategic products.
-no country wants to allow hostile powers to sit astride it's lines of supply for anything.

That concept undergirds the Monroe Doctrine itself = keep foreign powers away from our trade routes.

No country wants its supply of foodstuffs to have to sail within range of weapons systems of a hostile power like China. And no country will want to stand idle while a trade route free of such threats is placed under them by changes in status quo.

This is the way the world actually works. China doesn't want us out of Asia because they hate us. They want us out of Asia because our geopolitical position places the vast majority of China's trade routes are within striking range of F-18 Hornet squadrons.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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I doubt it. Beef producers simply sell, they know the market is fickle. You totally made that up didn't you?

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As a former ' beef producer ' who sold thousands of head , can assure I always sold based on the price.

Never ' simply sell '.

That is ridiculous.

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Isn't it amazing how someone who's never allowed the soles of their shoes to touch a cow patty knows so much about cows?

The US cattle herd can only grow by retention of heifers that would otherwise grow to market. From there, biology is the limiting factor on how fast that growth can occur. From the date that calf is born, it takes 13 months for them to reach sexual maturity + 9 months gestation + 7 months of nursing + 8-10 months of feeding/finishing in stocker pastures and/or feedlots.

So from the date you look at that newborn calf and decide to grow your herd, it takes +3 years for the steak to hit your plate. So when demand exceeds supply, the only immediate solution is to import. Or. You can let the excess of demand over supply push prices high enough to curtail demand. Choose wisely.

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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Trump is basically trying to fix a problem he created and take a bow. Not surprising. That's just how he rolls.

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"Sometimes it seems as if there are more solutions than problems. On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today's problems are a result of yesterday's solutions."
-Thomas Sowell

This is not hard to understand. We started importing a lot of beef. Our beef herd attritted (both numbers of cattle and numbers of producers). Now, we need to rebuild the beef herd (and, implicitly, the numbers of producers). To do that, we have to increase the price of imported beef (with tariffs). If you put the tariffs too high, the foreign supply constricts too quickly.

Or you can just open our market freely and let the Brazilians run us out of the beef business. Beef will be cheaper, at least until the process is complete. And as Brazilian and Chinese relations improve, China will have some influence of Brazilian beef export policy, to include influence over Brazilian embargo of beef in protest of future US policies. And those Brazilian beef exports to the USA will sail within striking distance of Chinese and Russian and Iranian weapons systems currently stationed in Venezuela. The more beef we import, the more have to worry about all of that stuff.

Or we could put in place policy to incentivize more domestic production of beef. We can put quotas in place, but the shortage of domestic supply will cause prices to rise. We can give subsidies to beef producers to grow herds, but that will cost money. Or we can put on a tariff. It will cause prices to rise, but it will generate modest revenues. Reasonable people can disagree on which is better. But everybody likes beef.

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So now Venezuela using Russian and Iranian weapons are going to be bombing Brazilian ships with beef on them? You are weaving epic tales at this point because the business case for tariffs is floundering. Higher prices, fewer jobs, and economic volatility. Maybe the Supreme Court will save Trump from himself.

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no, I'm making valid geopolitical observations.

-no country wants to be dependent on imported food supply.
-no country wants to be dependent on imported energy sources.
-no country wants to be dependent on imported on strategic products.
-no country wants to allow hostile powers to sit astride it's lines of supply for anything.

That concept undergirds the Monroe Doctrine itself = keep foreign powers away from our trade routes.

No country wants its supply of foodstuffs to have to sail within range of weapons systems of a hostile power like China. And no country will want to stand idle while a trade route free of such threats is placed under them by changes in status quo.

This is the way the world actually works. China doesn't want us out of Asia because they hate us. They want us out of Asia because our geopolitical position places the vast majority of China's trade routes are within striking range of F-18 Hornet squadrons.

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No, you are making great geo-political leaps based on your own "hawk" view of the world.

The Monroe Doctrine DOES NOT say keep foreign powers away from our trade route. You leave out the part of "influence". INFLUENCE our trade routes. Having a coastal battery within range doesn't influence unless a threat is made or action is taken.

What "influence" has Venezuela had or could have? Monroe Doctrine for use against a Western Hemisphere nation? Also, you leave out that we will stay out of Europe and I would guess now Asia. There is a lot in the Monroe Doctrine you are leaving out.

This is NOT Bush where 3 US servicemen were killed or Reagan where US students were threatened and held. Even those were condemned by the world, who according to Whiterock sees us a benevolent...

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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I doubt it. Beef producers simply sell, they know the market is fickle. You totally made that up didn't you?

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As a former ' beef producer ' who sold thousands of head , can assure I always sold based on the price.

Never ' simply sell '.

That is ridiculous.

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So when prices are high, you wouldnt sell,and grow your herd instead? And how long were you able to keep cows grazing when the market was up? Did you really have enough land to hold cows off from auction for a year? 2 years?

No matter what the market conditions are, most beef producers simply need to sell beef. They might sell less if the price is low, but not sell when the price is high? Nope.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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I doubt it. Beef producers simply sell, they know the market is fickle. You totally made that up didn't you?

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As a former ' beef producer ' who sold thousands of head , can assure I always sold based on the price.

Never ' simply sell '.

That is ridiculous.

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Isn't it amazing how someone who's never allowed the soles of their shoes to touch a cow patty knows so much about cows?

The US cattle herd can only grow by retention of heifers that would otherwise grow to market. From there, biology is the limiting factor on how fast that growth can occur. From the date that calf is born, it takes 13 months for them to reach sexual maturity + 9 months gestation + 7 months of nursing + 8-10 months of feeding/finishing in stocker pastures and/or feedlots.

So from the date you look at that newborn calf and decide to grow your herd, it takes +3 years for the steak to hit your plate. So when demand exceeds supply, the only immediate solution is to import. Or. You can let the excess of demand over supply push prices high enough to curtail demand. Choose wisely.

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What a mess of word salad to work through. Where did you get the idea I have not sold beef?

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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I doubt it. Beef producers simply sell, they know the market is fickle. You totally made that up didn't you?

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As a former ' beef producer ' who sold thousands of head , can assure I always sold based on the price.

Never ' simply sell '.

That is ridiculous.

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So when prices are high, you wouldnt sell,and grow your herd instead? And how long were you able to keep cows grazing when the market was up? Did you really have enough land to hold cows off from auction for a year? 2 years?

No matter what the market conditions are, most beef producers simply need to sell beef. They might sell less if the price is low, but not sell when the price is high? Nope.

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There is an optimal number, just like any other business. My brother in law is a dairy farmer with a small beef herd. They always keep the needed number of heifers. It is the males that either become beefers or veal.

Just like there is an optimal level of debt and investment. In lean years, you may skew a little one way or another, but if you want to stay in business you stay in a zone no matter what the prices.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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I doubt it. Beef producers simply sell, they know the market is fickle. You totally made that up didn't you?

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As a former ' beef producer ' who sold thousands of head , can assure I always sold based on the price.

Never ' simply sell '.

That is ridiculous.

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Isn't it amazing how someone who's never allowed the soles of their shoes to touch a cow patty knows so much about cows?

The US cattle herd can only grow by retention of heifers that would otherwise grow to market. From there, biology is the limiting factor on how fast that growth can occur. From the date that calf is born, it takes 13 months for them to reach sexual maturity + 9 months gestation + 7 months of nursing + 8-10 months of feeding/finishing in stocker pastures and/or feedlots.

So from the date you look at that newborn calf and decide to grow your herd, it takes +3 years for the steak to hit your plate. So when demand exceeds supply, the only immediate solution is to import. Or. You can let the excess of demand over supply push prices high enough to curtail demand. Choose wisely.

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What a mess of word salad to work through. Where did you get the idea I have not sold beef?

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by your complete lack of understanding of the cattle business.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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Trump is basically trying to fix a problem he created and take a bow. Not surprising. That's just how he rolls.

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"Sometimes it seems as if there are more solutions than problems. On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today's problems are a result of yesterday's solutions."
-Thomas Sowell

This is not hard to understand. We started importing a lot of beef. Our beef herd attritted (both numbers of cattle and numbers of producers). Now, we need to rebuild the beef herd (and, implicitly, the numbers of producers). To do that, we have to increase the price of imported beef (with tariffs). If you put the tariffs too high, the foreign supply constricts too quickly.

Or you can just open our market freely and let the Brazilians run us out of the beef business. Beef will be cheaper, at least until the process is complete. And as Brazilian and Chinese relations improve, China will have some influence of Brazilian beef export policy, to include influence over Brazilian embargo of beef in protest of future US policies. And those Brazilian beef exports to the USA will sail within striking distance of Chinese and Russian and Iranian weapons systems currently stationed in Venezuela. The more beef we import, the more have to worry about all of that stuff.

Or we could put in place policy to incentivize more domestic production of beef. We can put quotas in place, but the shortage of domestic supply will cause prices to rise. We can give subsidies to beef producers to grow herds, but that will cost money. Or we can put on a tariff. It will cause prices to rise, but it will generate modest revenues. Reasonable people can disagree on which is better. But everybody likes beef.

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So now Venezuela using Russian and Iranian weapons are going to be bombing Brazilian ships with beef on them? You are weaving epic tales at this point because the business case for tariffs is floundering. Higher prices, fewer jobs, and economic volatility. Maybe the Supreme Court will save Trump from himself.

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no, I'm making valid geopolitical observations.

-no country wants to be dependent on imported food supply.
-no country wants to be dependent on imported energy sources.
-no country wants to be dependent on imported on strategic products.
-no country wants to allow hostile powers to sit astride it's lines of supply for anything.

That concept undergirds the Monroe Doctrine itself = keep foreign powers away from our trade routes.

No country wants its supply of foodstuffs to have to sail within range of weapons systems of a hostile power like China. And no country will want to stand idle while a trade route free of such threats is placed under them by changes in status quo.

This is the way the world actually works. China doesn't want us out of Asia because they hate us. They want us out of Asia because our geopolitical position places the vast majority of China's trade routes are within striking range of F-18 Hornet squadrons.

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No, you are making great geo-political leaps based on your own "hawk" view of the world.

The Monroe Doctrine DOES NOT say keep foreign powers away from our trade route. You leave out the part of "influence". INFLUENCE our trade routes. Having a coastal battery within range doesn't influence unless a threat is made or action is taken.
LOL. putting a coastal battery within range of American shipping is an action taken to threaten American shipping. Coastlines and straits influence trade routes precisely because they can and will be used to emplace coastal batteries which could threaten military and commercial shipping (and do so a lot more efficiently than with a blue water navy).

What "influence" has Venezuela had or could have? Monroe Doctrine for use against a Western Hemisphere nation? Also, you leave out that we will stay out of Europe and I would guess now Asia. There is a lot in the Monroe Doctrine you are leaving out.
LOL There is a lot in the Monroe Doctrine you do not understand.

This is NOT Bush where 3 US servicemen were killed or Reagan where US students were threatened and held. Even those were condemned by the world, who according to Whiterock sees us a benevolent...
You are ranting at the sky here.

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You are making incredibly bad arguments at odds with reality itself. Venezuela is allowing our harshest and most powerful geopolitical adversaries to have bases in a part of the world they've not had bases, and which sits astride important parts of our trade routes, to include the Panama Canal and food supply sources in South America.

All you gotta do is look at the map and think just a little bit......

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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I doubt it. Beef producers simply sell, they know the market is fickle. You totally made that up didn't you?

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As a former ' beef producer ' who sold thousands of head , can assure I always sold based on the price.

Never ' simply sell '.

That is ridiculous.

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So when prices are high, you wouldnt sell,and grow your herd instead? And how long were you able to keep cows grazing when the market was up? Did you really have enough land to hold cows off from auction for a year? 2 years?

No matter what the market conditions are, most beef producers simply need to sell beef. They might sell less if the price is low, but not sell when the price is high? Nope.

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My animals didn't graze….were all in corrals. And I would definitely hold and sell based on all kinds of factors including market price.

On one occasion I didn't breed my springers for an additional 8 months and sold older head. Cost me a few nickels in the short run but paid off the following year.

Plus it reduced the overall age of the herd which improved productivity.

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So it was the tariffs👍👍

— Chief Marvel 🤙🏼⚓️🛟🗽🇺🇸🌎 (@757GamecockGirl) November 15, 2025

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The tariffs restricted supply….. which in the face of continued demand caused prices to rise, which in turn incentivized US beef producers to grow their herds (by retaining stock that would otherwise go to slaughter)…which of course further restricted supply.

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I doubt it. Beef producers simply sell, they know the market is fickle. You totally made that up didn't you?

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As a former ' beef producer ' who sold thousands of head , can assure I always sold based on the price.

Never ' simply sell '.

That is ridiculous.

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So when prices are high, you wouldnt sell,and grow your herd instead? And how long were you able to keep cows grazing when the market was up? Did you really have enough land to hold cows off from auction for a year? 2 years?

No matter what the market conditions are, most beef producers simply need to sell beef. They might sell less if the price is low, but not sell when the price is high? Nope.

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My animals didn't graze….were all in corrals. And I would definitely hold and sell based on all kinds of factors including market price.

On one occasion I didn't breed my springers for an additional 8 months and sold older head. Cost me a few nickels in the short run but paid off the following year.

Plus it reduced the overall age of the herd which improved productivity.

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At least in the Dairy world it is pretty sophisticated now, they have programs that monitor and spell out the schedules needed. Dairy is a more- daily commitment. But their herd management is everything.