U.S. manufacturing activity has contracted for 9 straight months, per Reuters
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 8, 2025
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Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
How did I know that it would all be golden...
ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Nah, it will all be spun to be either great or Biden's fault. It is not worth even trying to discuss with this crowd.
I originally came here to have some decent conversations about events. It has ended up just being very disappointing as if they disagree, it is an avalanche of BS that is "beyond discussion" and every point that disagrees is fake news, your a Liberal or you are really not smart enough to understand.
Very few on here are willing to actually discuss not only what is happening, but whether it should. There is a real good discussion going on in the Supreme Court right now, but either you think we should give Trump total power or you love Biden... Or, worse you love the Cartels. It is really comical the jumps that are made.
whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
This should be what the whole nation is counting on. Amazed that anyone wants to see this fail
"The important thing to know about an assassination or an attempted assassination is not who fired the shot, but who paid for the bullet." Eric Ambler
Hey MAGA Tariff peeps..how is that soy bean farming. You cannot make this stuff up. We yank soybean contracts from China and the have NOT capitulated, so Lizard King Tarriff boy bails out the soybean farmers. Tariffs at work you MAGA turds.
J.R. said:
Hey MAGA Tariff peeps..how is that soy bean farming. You cannot make this stuff up. We yank soybean contracts from China and the have NOT capitulated, so Lizard King Tarriff boy bails out the soybean farmers. Tariffs at work you MAGA turds.
There are alot of these examples. It is Biden's fault and in 2009 Obama did something somewhere, which all justifies really anything Donald wants to do. Finally, you are a liberal, whack job for not buying in... That about sums it up.
J.R. said:
Tariffs at work you MAGA turds.
Now that's class.
boognish_bear said:U.S. manufacturing activity has contracted for 9 straight months, per Reuters
— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) December 8, 2025
Surely incorrect. This is trillions we are talking, invested in U.S. manufacturing. I was led to believe not only that, but that even the threat of tariffs back in the spring had companies rushing to build factories in the United States.
whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
You are such a bamboozled wanker. Trump policy didn't take effect until August?
Do the pullout in Afghanistan too!
Assassin said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
This should be what the whole nation is counting on. Amazed that anyone wants to see this fail
I doubt anyone wants it to fail. Hope was Obama's message. You zealots have messaged not hope, but results. Regardless of how badly people want Trump to fail or succeed, we can all look at the results and conclude he's failing miserably so far.
It will probably turn around some, the economy is resilient. But this golden age of America talk is not coming next year.
Tariffs have taxed the poor, they are about to get nailed by higher Healthcare costs, and 9 million Americans are about to see their student loan payments restart. These are people who qualified for a better repayment plan that is getting canceled. So they were having a hard time making payments. That is poor and middle class. Putting aside politics, right or wrong, that will have an impact upon spending, the housing market, medical bankruptcy, etc.
KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Tariffs at work you MAGA turds.
Now that's class.
no, just a fact. MAGA are non thinking, knuckle draggers. You Maga turds still on board with Tariffs? How's that working out?
J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Tariffs at work you MAGA turds.
Now that's class.
no, just a fact. MAGA are non thinking, knuckle draggers. You Maga turds still on board with Tariffs? How's that working out?
No ….it is just you acting classless.
Suspect you hate Trump because you realize you two have much in common.
Porteroso said:Assassin said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
This should be what the whole nation is counting on. Amazed that anyone wants to see this fail
I doubt anyone wants it to fail. Hope was Obama's message. You zealots have messaged not hope, but results. Regardless of how badly people want Trump to fail or succeed, we can all look at the results and conclude he's failing miserably so far.
It will probably turn around some, the economy is resilient. But this golden age of America talk is not coming next year.
Tariffs have taxed the poor, they are about to get nailed by higher Healthcare costs, and 9 million Americans are about to see their student loan payments restart. These are people who qualified for a better repayment plan that is getting canceled. So they were having a hard time making payments. That is poor and middle class. Putting aside politics, right or wrong, that will have an impact upon spending, the housing market, medical bankruptcy, etc.
Always calling the good guys "zealots" while pushing liberal fake media views...
"The important thing to know about an assassination or an attempted assassination is not who fired the shot, but who paid for the bullet." Eric Ambler
J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Tariffs at work you MAGA turds.
Now that's class.
no, just a fact. MAGA are non thinking, knuckle draggers. You Maga turds still on board with Tariffs? How's that working out?
JR, you of all people, shouldnt be calling anyone else a knuckle dragger. You're a savage! ( i know, you used to love that title back in your disco days. But in this case, it's not)
"The important thing to know about an assassination or an attempted assassination is not who fired the shot, but who paid for the bullet." Eric Ambler
JR is a good guy.
He just feels entitled to a double standard.
He just feels entitled to a double standard.
Powell: "Inflation for goods has picked up, reflecting the effects of tariffs." pic.twitter.com/6hA5SbuI4q
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) December 10, 2025
🚨 BREAKING: President Trump demands the Federal Reserve make America's interest rates the LOWEST IN THE WORLD
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) December 10, 2025
"We should have the lowest rates in the world! Without us, none of them EXIST as an economy!"
"All these countries with low rates - they're low because of US. They… pic.twitter.com/yW8bmVRRUv
Porteroso said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
You are such a bamboozled wanker. Trump policy didn't take effect until August?
That is a plain fact. the BBB was passed in July. Tariffs started going into effect after that. The most important features of the BBB do not actually start until Jan 1. And throughout the entire year, the federal government ran on the Biden budget.
Do the pullout in Afghanistan too!
LOL Biden didn't have to continue the pullout. He could have stayed in place his entire term. He had US troops and US fighter/bomber aircraft on the ground in Afghanistan. Inexplicably, he didn't lift a finger to counter the approach of Taliban forces, to keep them well away from our departure. By any measure the execution on the withdrawal was a complete & total f-up.
going to be fun watching you guys who are blaming Trump for the mess he inherited explain how Biden is responsible for the turnaround that will happen next year.
whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
You are such a bamboozled wanker. Trump policy didn't take effect until August?
That is a plain fact. the BBB was passed in July. Tariffs started going into effect after that. The most important features of the BBB do not actually start until Jan 1. And throughout the entire year, the federal government ran on the Biden budget.
Do the pullout in Afghanistan too!
LOL Biden didn't have to continue the pullout. He could have stayed in place his entire term. He had US troops and US fighter/bomber aircraft on the ground in Afghanistan. Inexplicably, he didn't lift a finger to counter the approach of Taliban forces, to keep them well away from our departure. By any measure the execution on the withdrawal was a complete & total f-up.
going to be fun watching you guys who are blaming Trump for the mess he inherited explain how Biden is responsible for the turnaround that will happen next year.
Funny, you guy's are the only ones mentioning Biden or Obama. They are both long gone. This is on the current Administration, for better or worse...
Assassin said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Tariffs at work you MAGA turds.
Now that's class.
no, just a fact. MAGA are non thinking, knuckle draggers. You Maga turds still on board with Tariffs? How's that working out?
JR, you of all people, shouldnt be calling anyone else a knuckle dragger. You're a savage! ( i know, you used to love that title back in your disco days. But in this case, it's not)
ah yes, making the rounds at the Village Station, Stark,Mistral,Tango ect....more of a lover there Assman, not a savage !
boognish_bear said:🚨 BREAKING: President Trump demands the Federal Reserve make America's interest rates the LOWEST IN THE WORLD
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) December 10, 2025
"We should have the lowest rates in the world! Without us, none of them EXIST as an economy!"
"All these countries with low rates - they're low because of US. They… pic.twitter.com/yW8bmVRRUv
Bombastic as usual……but Trump is correct.
FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
You are such a bamboozled wanker. Trump policy didn't take effect until August?
That is a plain fact. the BBB was passed in July. Tariffs started going into effect after that. The most important features of the BBB do not actually start until Jan 1. And throughout the entire year, the federal government ran on the Biden budget.
Do the pullout in Afghanistan too!
LOL Biden didn't have to continue the pullout. He could have stayed in place his entire term. He had US troops and US fighter/bomber aircraft on the ground in Afghanistan. Inexplicably, he didn't lift a finger to counter the approach of Taliban forces, to keep them well away from our departure. By any measure the execution on the withdrawal was a complete & total f-up.
going to be fun watching you guys who are blaming Trump for the mess he inherited explain how Biden is responsible for the turnaround that will happen next year.
Funny, you guy's are the only ones mentioning Biden or Obama. They are both long gone. This is on the current Administration, for better or worse...
Trump can thank himself for expectations of a quick fix because he repeatedly talked about it on the campaign trail.
FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
You are such a bamboozled wanker. Trump policy didn't take effect until August?
That is a plain fact. the BBB was passed in July. Tariffs started going into effect after that. The most important features of the BBB do not actually start until Jan 1. And throughout the entire year, the federal government ran on the Biden budget.
Do the pullout in Afghanistan too!
LOL Biden didn't have to continue the pullout. He could have stayed in place his entire term. He had US troops and US fighter/bomber aircraft on the ground in Afghanistan. Inexplicably, he didn't lift a finger to counter the approach of Taliban forces, to keep them well away from our departure. By any measure the execution on the withdrawal was a complete & total f-up.
going to be fun watching you guys who are blaming Trump for the mess he inherited explain how Biden is responsible for the turnaround that will happen next year.
Funny, you guy's are the only ones mentioning Biden or Obama. They are both long gone. This is on the current Administration, for better or worse...
You might have a point there. The budget passed a year ago had absolutely no effect on the economy this year. The socio-economic policies of the last four years are completely irrelevant to the value of the dollar, the trade deficit, the total debt, job creation trends, inflation, housing costs, etc...... Why, now that you mention it, Democrat policies are completely irrelevant in all times, places, and substance. Only the GOP is to blame from not snapping it's fingers and fixing all problems all at once with complete support of a restrained judiciary greasing the skids for change.
Thanks for opening our eyes!
boognish_bear said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
You are such a bamboozled wanker. Trump policy didn't take effect until August?
That is a plain fact. the BBB was passed in July. Tariffs started going into effect after that. The most important features of the BBB do not actually start until Jan 1. And throughout the entire year, the federal government ran on the Biden budget.
Do the pullout in Afghanistan too!
LOL Biden didn't have to continue the pullout. He could have stayed in place his entire term. He had US troops and US fighter/bomber aircraft on the ground in Afghanistan. Inexplicably, he didn't lift a finger to counter the approach of Taliban forces, to keep them well away from our departure. By any measure the execution on the withdrawal was a complete & total f-up.
going to be fun watching you guys who are blaming Trump for the mess he inherited explain how Biden is responsible for the turnaround that will happen next year.
Funny, you guy's are the only ones mentioning Biden or Obama. They are both long gone. This is on the current Administration, for better or worse...
Trump can thank himself for expectations of a quick fix because he repeatedly talked about it on the campaign trail.
an 18 month solution is a pretty quick fix.
ScottS said:
Trump's Trade Policies Drive Sharp Narrowing of U.S. Trade Deficit
That is very good for the nation. Exactly what Trump and Bessent wanted to happen
whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
You are such a bamboozled wanker. Trump policy didn't take effect until August?
That is a plain fact. the BBB was passed in July. Tariffs started going into effect after that. The most important features of the BBB do not actually start until Jan 1. And throughout the entire year, the federal government ran on the Biden budget.
Do the pullout in Afghanistan too!
LOL Biden didn't have to continue the pullout. He could have stayed in place his entire term. He had US troops and US fighter/bomber aircraft on the ground in Afghanistan. Inexplicably, he didn't lift a finger to counter the approach of Taliban forces, to keep them well away from our departure. By any measure the execution on the withdrawal was a complete & total f-up.
going to be fun watching you guys who are blaming Trump for the mess he inherited explain how Biden is responsible for the turnaround that will happen next year.
Funny, you guy's are the only ones mentioning Biden or Obama. They are both long gone. This is on the current Administration, for better or worse...
You might have a point there. The budget passed a year ago had absolutely no effect on the economy this year. The socio-economic policies of the last four years are completely irrelevant to the value of the dollar, the trade deficit, the total debt, job creation trends, inflation, housing costs, etc...... Why, now that you mention it, Democrat policies are completely irrelevant in all times, places, and substance. Only the GOP is to blame from not snapping it's fingers and fixing all problems all at once with complete support of a restrained judiciary greasing the skids for change.
Thanks for opening our eyes!
When did Biden's budget expire?
"The important thing to know about an assassination or an attempted assassination is not who fired the shot, but who paid for the bullet." Eric Ambler
whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Porteroso said:whiterock said:ATL Bear said:FLBear5630 said:
How is China's trade doing with the tariffs? afterall they need us more.
Whiterock says we're all going to look like damned fools…um next year of course.
Yep.
The economy ran on Biden policy until August. We're barely 90 days into implementation of Trump policy. It will indeed be next year before we start to see clear trends, which should be very strong given the amount of capital investment flowing in from the trade deals.
But never fear, there will always be experts who insist that the prior guy had no impact on where we are, and that the current guy is at fault for not snapping his fingers and fixing everything at all once.
You are such a bamboozled wanker. Trump policy didn't take effect until August?
That is a plain fact. the BBB was passed in July. Tariffs started going into effect after that. The most important features of the BBB do not actually start until Jan 1. And throughout the entire year, the federal government ran on the Biden budget.
Do the pullout in Afghanistan too!
LOL Biden didn't have to continue the pullout. He could have stayed in place his entire term. He had US troops and US fighter/bomber aircraft on the ground in Afghanistan. Inexplicably, he didn't lift a finger to counter the approach of Taliban forces, to keep them well away from our departure. By any measure the execution on the withdrawal was a complete & total f-up.
going to be fun watching you guys who are blaming Trump for the mess he inherited explain how Biden is responsible for the turnaround that will happen next year.
Funny, you guy's are the only ones mentioning Biden or Obama. They are both long gone. This is on the current Administration, for better or worse...
You might have a point there. The budget passed a year ago had absolutely no effect on the economy this year. The socio-economic policies of the last four years are completely irrelevant to the value of the dollar, the trade deficit, the total debt, job creation trends, inflation, housing costs, etc...... Why, now that you mention it, Democrat policies are completely irrelevant in all times, places, and substance. Only the GOP is to blame from not snapping it's fingers and fixing all problems all at once with complete support of a restrained judiciary greasing the skids for change.
Thanks for opening our eyes!
When Biden was in office we talked about Biden's policies. I would say good and bad, but there are only 2 or 3 of us that actually discuss policies, the rest are more interested in the WHO.
Whiterock logic:
Biden = ALL BAD. Couldn't possibly do anything good.
Trump= ALL GOOD. Any bad, see Biden
There is not ONE questionable thing that Trump or any of his Cabinet has done if you listen to you. Almost 1 year later and you are STILL blaming not only Biden, but Obama. (We skip Trump in between, because we know he does everything correct...)
Seriously, you surprised me, once Trump was elected you went from balanced in your analysis to pure MAGA just right of Stephen Miller...
Fascinating. Along with the predictable pants-wetting about Trump, FLBear is starting to sneak in suggestions that maybe Biden wasn't so bad.
And both of these in a post he imagines exposes Whiterock as absurdly biased.
And both of these in a post he imagines exposes Whiterock as absurdly biased.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:
Fascinating. Along with the predictable pants-wetting about Trump, FLBear is starting to sneak in suggestions that maybe Biden wasn't so bad.
And both of these in a post he imagines exposes Whiterock as absurdly biased.
What the hell are you blathering about again?
EVERY President has good and bad. Anyone that says otherwise is a fool and has zero credibility. But, it don't really matter on here does it, as toadies like you will jump to whatever Whiterock says to...
And as if on cue, FLBear explodes in mindless insults and yet another verse of 'Ree!!! Ree!!!'
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Assassin said:ScottS said:
Trump's Trade Policies Drive Sharp Narrowing of U.S. Trade Deficit
That is very good for the nation. Exactly what Trump and Bessent wanted to happen
The term "trade deficit" is by far one of the silliest Boogeyman of Trump and his supporting cast.
People are consuming less and buying less stuff. This should a actually be cause for concern,- not celebration.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Assassin said:ScottS said:
Trump's Trade Policies Drive Sharp Narrowing of U.S. Trade Deficit
That is very good for the nation. Exactly what Trump and Bessent wanted to happen
The term "trade deficit" is by far one of the silliest Boogeyman of Trump and his supporting cast.
People are consuming less and buying less stuff. This should a actually be cause for concern,- not celebration.
"The important thing to know about an assassination or an attempted assassination is not who fired the shot, but who paid for the bullet." Eric Ambler