It's funny. No judge stops Biden or Obama from flying immigrants by the thousands into the country but if you try to fly some criminal ones out, we need to put the brakes on.

Remember when Biden ignored the Supreme Court ruling on student loan repayments?

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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BTW, I am furious too. Do I need to follow the constitution or do my emotions override it?

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You cant let your emotions override you. Your anger over your overreaching Soros judge getting ignored should in no way impair you from knowing Trump should follow the constitution by ignoring that judge - like SCOTUS ruled for Jackson in 1867.

El Oso said:

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I didn't say that either. But, once a person is here, legally or illegally, they are protected by the Constitution. They had an appeal pending and Trump carried out sentence. That's unconstitutional.

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Please cite the Constitutional protection specifically given to those who come here illegally, especially criminal gangs.

I am unaware of any such clause in the Constitution.

Alien Enemies Clause

21. Restraint, regulation, and removal
Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Word salad again, just ignore the meaning of words and claim they say whatever you want them to say.

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• "Persons" vs. "Citizens":
  The Constitution often uses the term "persons" or "the people" rather than "citizens" when outlining rights, indicating that these protections are not limited to citizens.
  
  
• Due Process and Equal Protection:
  The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee due process and equal protection under the law, which apply to all individuals within the United States, regardless of their citizenship status.
  
  
• Examples of Constitutional Rights for Non-Citizens:
  
  • First Amendment: Non-citizens are protected in exercising their rights to free speech, religion, and assembly.
    
    
  • Fourth Amendment: They are protected from unreasonable searches and seizures.
    
    
  • Fifth Amendment: They have the right to due process and protection against self-incrimination.
    
    
  • Sixth Amendment: They have the right to a public trial, a trial by jury, and the assistance of a lawyer.
    
    

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So, after 8 million illegal immigrants saunter across the border over the last few years, you think we have to have 8 million trials to send them back? With full on appellate rights for all of them? Including the explicit gang members with violent records?

Robert Wilson said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Word salad again, just ignore the meaning of words and claim they say whatever you want them to say.

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• "Persons" vs. "Citizens":
  The Constitution often uses the term "persons" or "the people" rather than "citizens" when outlining rights, indicating that these protections are not limited to citizens.
  
  
• Due Process and Equal Protection:
  The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee due process and equal protection under the law, which apply to all individuals within the United States, regardless of their citizenship status.
  
  
• Examples of Constitutional Rights for Non-Citizens:
  
  • First Amendment: Non-citizens are protected in exercising their rights to free speech, religion, and assembly.
    
    
  • Fourth Amendment: They are protected from unreasonable searches and seizures.
    
    
  • Fifth Amendment: They have the right to due process and protection against self-incrimination.
    
    
  • Sixth Amendment: They have the right to a public trial, a trial by jury, and the assistance of a lawyer.
    
    

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So, after 8 million illegal immigrants saunter across the border over the last few years, you think we have to have 8 million trials to send them back? With full on appellate rights for all of them? Including the explicit gang members with violent records?

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Nope. Alien enemies clause covers invasions. Send em all back with no due process.

El Oso said:

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I didn't say that either. But, once a person is here, legally or illegally, they are protected by the Constitution. They had an appeal pending and Trump carried out sentence. That's unconstitutional.

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They are illegal aliens. They have no right to be in the US. The judge issued an order when they were flying over international waters, beyond his jurisdiction. If he had issued it before the plane took off, it would have been beyond his jurisdiction because no district judge has the authority to take over foreign policy. That is the president's responsibility under the constitution. No judge has the authority to abrogate the constitution. Arguably, what he did was an act of treason.

El Oso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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El Oso said:

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I didn't say that either. But, once a person is here, legally or illegally, they are protected by the Constitution. They had an appeal pending and Trump carried out sentence. That's unconstitutional.

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Please cite the Constitutional protection specifically given to those who come here illegally, especially criminal gangs.

I am unaware of any such clause in the Constitution.

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For me, it's the phrases no person, any person, etc. that are repeatedly used throughout the document. The right to vote and run for office are the only ones limited to citizens in the verbiage of the Constitution. All other rights use the phrases no person, any person, all persons, the people or some other version of those phrases.

I won't list the laundry list of SCOTUS cases indicate illegal immigrants get these rights, but here are a few. The last one applies directly to your phrase "given to those who come here illegally."
Plyer v Doe (1982)--illegal immigrant children have the right to public education
Reno v Flores (1993)--alien juveniles facing deportation get due process rights
Demore v Kim (1996)--detention mandatory pending adjudication of the case
Zadvydias v Davis (2001)--held that due process applies to all aliens in the United States, even those whose presence is "unlawful, involuntary, or transitory"

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Not under the Alien Enemies Clause they dont, which Trump invoked.

El Oso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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El Oso said:

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I didn't say that either. But, once a person is here, legally or illegally, they are protected by the Constitution. They had an appeal pending and Trump carried out sentence. That's unconstitutional.

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Please cite the Constitutional protection specifically given to those who come here illegally, especially criminal gangs.

I am unaware of any such clause in the Constitution.

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For me, it's the phrases no person, any person, etc. that are repeatedly used throughout the document. The right to vote and run for office are the only ones limited to citizens in the verbiage of the Constitution. All other rights use the phrases no person, any person, all persons, the people or some other version of those phrases.

I won't list the laundry list of SCOTUS cases indicate illegal immigrants get these rights, but here are a few. The last one applies directly to your phrase "given to those who come here illegally."
Plyer v Doe (1982)--illegal immigrant children have the right to public education
Reno v Flores (1993)--alien juveniles facing deportation get due process rights
Demore v Kim (1996)--detention mandatory pending adjudication of the case
Zadvydias v Davis (2001)--held that due process applies to all aliens in the United States, even those whose presence is "unlawful, involuntary, or transitory"

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So, because the prior administration allowed the population of Michigan to illegally saunter into the United States over the last few years, we have to give every single one of those people a trial before we can send them back?

Married A Horn said:

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I still say ignore these overreaching judges. Just do what Biden did.

Trump must have calm cool calculating people in his ear getting him to play some long game here. I would acknowledge the war the left has declared against us and be much more aggressive.

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They're hoping to delay until the midterms is my guess. Then if they can win something, then they can keep foreign terrorists in the USA and eventually let them back into the population.

It's a Democrat thing...

4th and Inches said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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BTW, I am furious too. Do I need to follow the constitution or do my emotions override it?

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which part of the constitution has been violated?

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The fascist judge violated large portions of Article 2 when he tried to usurp the commander in chief's authority & powers.

BearFan33 said:

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It's funny. No judge stops Biden or Obama from flying immigrants by the thousands into the country but if you try to fly some criminal ones out, we need to put the brakes on.

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The Leftists are never consistent. Obama & Biden (Hillary, Bill, Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney, the entire J6 gives up committee, Mayorkas, Pete Buttboy, etc too) did no wrong in their eyes, even when blatantly violating the law, but Trump must be impeached for constitutionally enforcing the law. They don't care that that is his job. They are controlled by their TDS so they think everything he does is wrong. They cannot honor a young man surviving cancer, the victims of violent crimes, or heroes who helped others.

Hopefully the morons will continue acting that way. The campaign ads against them write themselves.