Did the Golden Age end America just kick off?

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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We had the UK deal announced today. By all accounts it looks favorable for the US. This sets the stage for the other countries.

Also let's not forget the Ukraine deal. That's very noteworthy as well.

The drama queens are upset that Trump got this deal done, but everyone knows this is really a very positive sign.

Last, the world absolutely needs our trade. We don't need theirs nearly to the same degree. More countries will be making deals.

The internet has a long history. The drama queens here will have to eat their words when the deals start rolling. Crazy to think that countries won't deal, but drama queen TDS 2.0 gonna drama.


Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.


KaiBear
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Trump could find a cure for every form of cancer and they would still be millions of Americans who would celebrate his assassination.

Such is the power of leftist media.
Johnny Bear
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KaiBear said:

Trump could find a cure for every form of cancer and they would still be millions of Americans who would celebrate his assassination.

Such is the power of leftist media.

TDS - which of course the MSM has played a huge role in creating and promulgating - is 100% emotion based. Even if Trump's policies ultimately prove to be wildly successful they will still promote hatred toward him and I'm sure if nothing else they will still continue to fall back on playing the race card, the gender card, the homophonic/transphobic card, etc. and claim the successes somehow only benefit rich white men.
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I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
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J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?

"…finally getting one done…"(??). Do you have any semblance of an idea of how complex new trade deal negotiations are and can be - even with an ally?? This isn't like negotiating the price of a used car. I'd say it got done pretty fast and there are a lot more on deck that are about to materialize as well. Enjoy watching your fervent desire for all of it to fail because of your TDS get crushed in the coming days and weeks.
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Johnny Bear said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?

"…finally getting one done…"(??). Do you have any semblance of an idea of how complex new trade deal negotiations are and can be - even with an ally?? This isn't like negotiating the price of a used car. I'd say it got done pretty fast and there are a lot more on deck that are about to materialize as well. Enjoy watching your fervent desire for all of it to fail because of your TDS get crushed in the coming days and weeks.


This is why we don't have a deal with the UK. It's too complicated to do on such a short timeframe.

I'll be here when it's signed.
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

We had the UK deal announced today. By all accounts it looks favorable for the US. This sets the stage for the other countries.

Also let's not forget the Ukraine deal. That's very noteworthy as well.

The drama queens are upset that Trump got this deal done, but everyone knows this is really a very positive sign.

Last, the world absolutely needs our trade. We don't need theirs nearly to the same degree. More countries will be making deals.

The internet has a long history. The drama queens here will have to eat their words when the deals start rolling. Crazy to think that countries won't deal, but drama queen TDS 2.0 gonna drama.



Well, it seems American car manufacturers aren't too keen on the deal. But I guess they are TDS 2.0 drama queens.

Sounds like the Brits got one heck of a deal. Less tariffs on British automobiles than American. But I guess given all of the negative publicity from taxing Americans and damaging businesses, Trump needed a win.

Golden Age indeed! No doubt making it cheaper to buy British automobiles than American, and making Americans foot the bill for it in the form of a more expensive product, will certainly make America great again!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/detroit-automakers-fuming-trump-first-120417900.html

A lobby group representing General Motors, Ford and Stellantis attacked Trump for prioritizing a deal with the U.K. over the two largest U.S. trading partners on the country's doorstep. "Under this deal, it will now be cheaper to import a U.K. vehicle with very little U.S. content than a USMCA compliant vehicle from Mexico or Canada that is half American parts," they said.

Detroit's three automakers blasted the White House for throwing the U.S. car industry under the proverbial bus with his U.K. trade deal.

On Thursday, a lobby group representing General Motors, Ford and Stellantis expressed "disappointment" their U.K. competitors are getting a better shake than they are despite British cars largely lacking any appreciable American content in the form of drivetrain and chassis components.

"Under this deal, it will now be cheaper to import a U.K. vehicle with very little U.S. content than a USMCA compliant vehicle from Mexico or Canada that is half American parts," said Matt Blunt, president of the American Automotive Policy Council.

Fortune reached out to the White House for comment, but didn't receive from a response outside normal business hours.

Blunt's criticism comes after Trump negotiated the tentative outline of a deal that would see among other concessions the U.S. drop its 25% sectoral tariff down to 10% of a vehicle's value, a level that reflects the U.K.'s own duty on imported cars.

While that is only valid for the first 100,000 vehicleswith any cars above and beyond that once again subject to the full dutyit neatly matches the volumes exported from Britain last year.

Blunt furthermore criticized that the "America First" president ought to have prioritized talks that help out his own domestic industry first, rather than invest political time and capital for the benefit of British rivals.
'Severe and immediate threat'

"This hurts American automakers, suppliers and auto workers. We hope this preferential access for U.K. vehicles over North American ones does not set a precedent for future negotiations with Asian and European competitors," Blunt continued.

The timing of the tentative dealwhich is itself only a broad outline and has yet to be finalizedwas however governed by political realities on each side of the Atlantic.

Both U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer and Trump have been under severe pressure of late. The former's Labour party was just trounced in local elections while the U.S. president's poll ratings have sunk after steering the country towards a possible recession over a trade war with his closest allies.

The agreement represents a much-needed win for the two struggling statesmen, with Trump trumpeting a "MAJOR TRADE DEAL" with a "BIG, AND HIGHLY RESPECTED COUNTRY" on Truth Social before it was actually official.

While Blunt took aim at the agreement, his counterpart from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders was all too happy to hail it as "great news" for his U.K. industry.

"The application of these tariffs was a severe and immediate threat to U.K. automotive exporters, so this deal will provide much needed relief," said SMMT chief executive Mike Hawes.

Blunt's candid criticism of the administration is unusual. Despite historically poor approval ratings for the president this early into a term, companies have been careful not to slight Trump given his reputation for governing based on instinct rather than studied policy analysis.

The president even confessed being inclined to reduce tariffs he had unilaterally imposed without Congressional consent since they were deemed critical to U.S. national security. On Thursday, Trump told reporters he gave them preferential treatment, because he personally was partial to Britain's ultra-luxury car brands like McLaren, Bentley and Rolls-Royce.

"That's really handmade stuff. They've been doing it for a long time in the same location," he remarked. "So I said, 'yeah, that would be good. Let's help them out with that one'."

Even though the 100,000-vehicle cap effectively puts a hard ceiling on further growth for the U.K. car industry, investors welcomed the trade deal by bidding shares in Aston Martin Lagonda, the only British stock-exchange listed automaker, higher some 14% in Thursday's trading session.
Mothra
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J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
Come on, now. You know Americans paying a 10% tax on British products will make America great again. Only a "TDS 2.0 drama queen" would say otherwise.

Edit: Have to say, tinfoil's labels get more unintentionally hilarious everyday.
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Mothra said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
Come on, now. You know Americans paying a 10% tax on British products will make American great again. Only a TDS 2.0 drama queen would say otherwise.
Won't this make things cheaper for Americans buying a UK imported car? At least the first 100 k customers? You can't have it both ways.....screaming about tariffs as a tax on consumers and then when they are reduced complaining about what US automakers are saying.
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Only in America can the President impose new taxes and half of the electorate is just giddy! Thank you Sir! May I have another???

One trade deal in four months? Out of 195 countries. At this rate, he should have all the trade deals done by 2040. The wheels of government are now sitting on blocks.

So much winning!
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BearFan33 said:

Mothra said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
Come on, now. You know Americans paying a 10% tax on British products will make American great again. Only a TDS 2.0 drama queen would say otherwise.
Won't this make things cheaper for Americans buying a UK imported car? At least the first 100 k customers? You can't have it both ways.....screaming about tariffs as a tax on consumers and then when they are reduced complaining about what US automakers are saying.


Yes, Americans importing Bentlys and Rolls Royces are the ones that need the most help right now. I wonder how many automotive jobs this is gonna cost us just because Trump likes his McLarens.
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BearFan33 said:

Mothra said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
Come on, now. You know Americans paying a 10% tax on British products will make American great again. Only a TDS 2.0 drama queen would say otherwise.
Won't this make things cheaper for Americans buying a UK imported car? At least the first 100 k customers? You can't have it both ways.....screaming about tariffs as a tax on consumers and then when they are reduced complaining about what US automakers are saying.
No. Americans will pay more either way because the tariffs drove up the price. So they just won't pay as much more as if they purchased Americans car.
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Bestweekeverr said:

BearFan33 said:

Mothra said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
Come on, now. You know Americans paying a 10% tax on British products will make American great again. Only a TDS 2.0 drama queen would say otherwise.
Won't this make things cheaper for Americans buying a UK imported car? At least the first 100 k customers? You can't have it both ways.....screaming about tariffs as a tax on consumers and then when they are reduced complaining about what US automakers are saying.


Yes, Americans importing Bentlys and Rolls Royces are the ones that need the most help right now. I wonder how many automotive jobs this is gonna cost us just because Trump likes his McLarens.
Land Rover as well.

But yeah, no biggie.
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BearFan33 said:

Mothra said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
Come on, now. You know Americans paying a 10% tax on British products will make American great again. Only a TDS 2.0 drama queen would say otherwise.
Won't this make things cheaper for Americans buying a UK imported car? At least the first 100 k customers? You can't have it both ways.....screaming about tariffs as a tax on consumers and then when they are reduced complaining about what US automakers are saying.
Tariffs for the UK have just tripled, not gone down. Never seen a group of folks so happy about sending more their hard-earned money to the U.S. Treasury.

Call it a tax, the people are outraged. Call it a tariff and the people celebrate. Trump is truly the ultimate salesman.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
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Mothra said:

BearFan33 said:

Mothra said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
Come on, now. You know Americans paying a 10% tax on British products will make American great again. Only a TDS 2.0 drama queen would say otherwise.
Won't this make things cheaper for Americans buying a UK imported car? At least the first 100 k customers? You can't have it both ways.....screaming about tariffs as a tax on consumers and then when they are reduced complaining about what US automakers are saying.
No. Americans will pay more either way because the tariffs drove up the price. So they just won't pay as much more as if they purchased Americans car.
It sounds like we already have a 25% tariff that will be reduced on 1st 100 k cars. or am I reading this wrong:


Blunt's criticism comes after Trump negotiated the tentative outline of a deal that would see among other concessions the U.S. drop its 25% sectoral tariff down to 10% of a vehicle's value, a level that reflects the U.K.'s own duty on imported cars.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

BearFan33 said:

Mothra said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
Come on, now. You know Americans paying a 10% tax on British products will make American great again. Only a TDS 2.0 drama queen would say otherwise.
Won't this make things cheaper for Americans buying a UK imported car? At least the first 100 k customers? You can't have it both ways.....screaming about tariffs as a tax on consumers and then when they are reduced complaining about what US automakers are saying.
Tariffs for the UK have just tripled, not gone down. Never seen a group of folks so happy about sending more their hard-earned money to the U.S. Treasury.

Call it a tax, the people are outraged. Call it a tariff and the people celebrate. Trump is truly the ultimate salesman.
why are the american automakers complaining if tariffs going up?
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Johnny Bear said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?

"…finally getting one done…"(??). Do you have any semblance of an idea of how complex new trade deal negotiations are and can be - even with an ally?? This isn't like negotiating the price of a used car. I'd say it got done pretty fast and there are a lot more on deck that are about to materialize as well. Enjoy watching your fervent desire for all of it to fail because of your TDS get crushed in the coming days and weeks.
Little Johnny....I'd be willing to bet I have personally negotiated very complex deals than you ever have. I know how it works. Firstly, do you not understand I gave fat boy a compliment, but put it into context . You and your ild need to really get rid of the TDS term as it makes you sound stupid. I don't wish him failure. To the contrary , I have a lot riding on success...alot more than you do. I just can't believe a word he say, like "we have 200 deals in process with 200 countries. Well,, little J,.there aren't 200 countries on the planet. Talk about talking out his arse. Just glad he is going to put the hammer down on the penguins. You are nothing but a small bitter old man.
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BearFan33 said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

BearFan33 said:

Mothra said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?
Come on, now. You know Americans paying a 10% tax on British products will make American great again. Only a TDS 2.0 drama queen would say otherwise.
Won't this make things cheaper for Americans buying a UK imported car? At least the first 100 k customers? You can't have it both ways.....screaming about tariffs as a tax on consumers and then when they are reduced complaining about what US automakers are saying.
Tariffs for the UK have just tripled, not gone down. Never seen a group of folks so happy about sending more their hard-earned money to the U.S. Treasury.

Call it a tax, the people are outraged. Call it a tariff and the people celebrate. Trump is truly the ultimate salesman.
why are the american automakers complaining if tariffs going up?
Because they wanted them to be higher. The U.S. Automakers/ UAW don't like competition.
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J.R. said:

Johnny Bear said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?

"…finally getting one done…"(??). Do you have any semblance of an idea of how complex new trade deal negotiations are and can be - even with an ally?? This isn't like negotiating the price of a used car. I'd say it got done pretty fast and there are a lot more on deck that are about to materialize as well. Enjoy watching your fervent desire for all of it to fail because of your TDS get crushed in the coming days and weeks.
Little Johnny....I'd be willing to bet I have personally negotiated very complex deals than you ever have. I know how it works. Firstly, do you not understand I gave fat boy a compliment, but put it into context . You and your ild need to really get rid of the TDS term as it makes you sound stupid. I don't wish him failure. To the contrary , I have a lot riding on success...alot more than you do. I just can't believe a word he say, like "we have 200 deals in process with 200 countries. Well,, little J,.there aren't 200 countries on the planet. Talk about talking out his arse. Just glad he is going to put the hammer down on the penguins. You are nothing but a small bitter old man.

And you are nothing but a TDS obsessed poser.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Only in America can the President impose new taxes and half of the electorate is just giddy! Thank you Sir! May I have another???

One trade deal in four months? Out of 195 countries. At this rate, he should have all the trade deals done by 2040. The wheels of government are now sitting on blocks.

So much winning!
there can 20 different tariff rates on one simple electronic component......

someone slept thru his Hankamer classes........

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When someone constantly implies he is some big shot, you can usually count on the opposite being true.

And why JR obsesses so much on penguins is just ... Walz-level odd.
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Johnny Bear said:

J.R. said:

Johnny Bear said:

J.R. said:

I give him credit for finally getting one done that is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but it got done. Should be noted that we had a trade surplus with them and now raised it to 10%. They represent 1% of our trade. Just 199 more to go. Wonder where the Penguins fit in all this?

"…finally getting one done…"(??). Do you have any semblance of an idea of how complex new trade deal negotiations are and can be - even with an ally?? This isn't like negotiating the price of a used car. I'd say it got done pretty fast and there are a lot more on deck that are about to materialize as well. Enjoy watching your fervent desire for all of it to fail because of your TDS get crushed in the coming days and weeks.
Little Johnny....I'd be willing to bet I have personally negotiated very complex deals than you ever have. I know how it works. Firstly, do you not understand I gave fat boy a compliment, but put it into context . You and your ild need to really get rid of the TDS term as it makes you sound stupid. I don't wish him failure. To the contrary , I have a lot riding on success...alot more than you do. I just can't believe a word he say, like "we have 200 deals in process with 200 countries. Well,, little J,.there aren't 200 countries on the planet. Talk about talking out his arse. Just glad he is going to put the hammer down on the penguins. You are nothing but a small bitter old man.

And you are nothing but a TDS obsessed poser.
man, you are really showing your lack of intellect. Moron
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Oldbear83 said:

When someone constantly implies he is some big shot, you can usually count on the opposite being true.

And why JR obsesses so much on penguins is just ... Walz-level odd.

I know. Hence the term "poser".
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william said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Only in America can the President impose new taxes and half of the electorate is just giddy! Thank you Sir! May I have another???

One trade deal in four months? Out of 195 countries. At this rate, he should have all the trade deals done by 2040. The wheels of government are now sitting on blocks.

So much winning!
there can 20 different tariff rates on one simple electronic component......



You don't see this as a problem? Somehow Trump thinks he will tax us info prosperity. His plan is deeply flawed. We should want to be easy to do business with. Not more difficult.

Trump is trying to apply a 20th century trade policy to a 21st century economy. It will do us much more harm than good.
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Oldbear83 said:

When someone constantly implies he is some big shot, you can usually count on the opposite being true.

And why JR obsesses so much on penguins is just ... Walz-level odd.
whatever fool. Do you not recall you hero Trumpy and his big beautiful chart showing he was going to negotiate a trade deal with an uninhabited island with nothing buy penguins. I only like to bring it up as that show the ineptitude and ill qualified bunch of monkeys that are running our country. Hope you enjoy the inflation you are about to get that was totally self inflicted. Please tell me how I'm wrong. Momma got your French fried taters ready?
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

One trade deal in four months? Out of 195 countries. At this rate, he should have all the trade deals done by 2040. The wheels of government are now sitting on blocks.

So, you apparently think the trade negotiations are all happening one at a time? Come on - you're smarter than that.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

william said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Only in America can the President impose new taxes and half of the electorate is just giddy! Thank you Sir! May I have another???

One trade deal in four months? Out of 195 countries. At this rate, he should have all the trade deals done by 2040. The wheels of government are now sitting on blocks.

So much winning!
there can 20 different tariff rates on one simple electronic component......



You don't see this as a problem? Somehow Trump thinks he will tax us info prosperity. His plan is deeply flawed. We should want to be easy to do business with. Not more difficult.

Trump is trying to apply a 20th century trade policy to a 21st century economy. It will do us much more harm than good.
over complex and years past time to harmonize and synchronize.........

brain dead biden couldnt even wipe his for 4 years........

Trump may break the China a little bit - BUT - he gets things done.

Problems that have needed addressing for decades.

- KKM

Funny how the Swamp Establishment really has done almost nothing for decades.

Even Clinton - notwithstanding all his warts - w/ the help of Newty got to a balanced budget - wh slashed long term rates significantly...

It can be done.

D!

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Johnny Bear said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

One trade deal in four months? Out of 195 countries. At this rate, he should have all the trade deals done by 2040. The wheels of government are now sitting on blocks.

So, you apparently think the trade negotiations are all happening one at a time? Come on - you're smarter than that.
Of course not. 1 down. 194 to go. At this rate, I figure he'll get the deal with Canada and Mexico worked out sometime in 2027.
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Trump's tariff policy has been a total ****ing disaster. Anyone that says otherwise is not thinking clearly, or is a partisan hack so in the tank for Trump that anything the man does they will defend.
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JR in action?
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Mothra said:

Trump's tariff policy has been a total ****ing disaster. Anyone that says otherwise is not thinking clearly, or is a partisan hack so in the tank for Trump that anything the man does they will defend.
his policy is fine - the roll out has been misovercomplicated..........

and navarro's obession w/ trade deficits is naive -

we are the biggest economy in the world - once we get to a more harmonized / reciprocal tariff posture w/ our major trading partners - then we're good to go.

we will have trade deficits w/ most of them -

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EatMoreSalmon said:

JR in action?

Greenland makes sense to partner with - again - the roll out was not well done - BUT the general idea makes alot of sense - seems to be how DJT rolls.........

fine w/ me.

- KKM

or we can go back to DementiaSwampLand.

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Oldbear83 said:

When someone constantly implies he is some big shot, you can usually count on the opposite being true.

And why JR obsesses so much on penguins is just ... Walz-level odd.
Like him or not......I have no doubt JR is a legitimate 'big shot'.

Certainly a better business man; bigger risk taker than I am.

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Mothra said:

Trump's tariff policy has been a total ****ing disaster. Anyone that says otherwise is not thinking clearly, or is a partisan hack so in the tank for Trump that anything the man does they will defend.

Sure sounds like somebody has been binge watching MSDNC.
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