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JR in action?

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JR has been pretty reasonable on this thread. It's Mothra who is foaming at the mouth.

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LOL. Of course, total fealty is always demanded by the Trumpist.

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Nah, not total fealty. Just balance and fair play. We know Trump embarrasses you, that you have to relentlessly criticize his every word & deed to maintain your self-image.

In the real world, he had a pretty good weekend.

Just this weekend Trump: announced a trade deal with China, brokered an in person meeting between Ukraine and Russia, helped stop a potential war between India and Pakistan, announced an end to big pharma US profiteering, & got the final American hostage released by Hamas.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) May 12, 2025

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Yep. Trump's rolling forward to make positive change for everyone. All they can do is beech and moan. They don't like him at all and thereby they don't like his approach. Even tho early signs show it appears to be working as intended. They favor a slow roll because the news tells them they should be concerned. Their preferred slow roll approach is a laughable concept. Never would happen.

Don't know what the end result will be but I like the general plan and approach, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

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So making Americans pay much higher prices for everything is good for Americans?

Interesting take.

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Watch this:

A country that doesn’t make anything quickly dies. Former US trade representative Robert Lighthizer explains how Trump’s tariff program can stop America’s slide.

(0:00) Why Do We Need to Reinstitute Tariffs?
(6:10) The Slow Death of America’s Working Class
(13:35) Donald… pic.twitter.com/2zLcxoNnGD

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) March 19, 2025

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Folks terminally worried about the price of their t shirts will pretend not to understand the rationale of this video.

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I guess you're no longer Mr. "People have to live with their choices" any more?

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If the government continues to allow our country's wealth , resources and jobs to be drained overseas……

people's choices will continue to diminish.

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It's always funny how you can mischaracterize anything. What Trump is doing is using the power of the government to interfere with free trade and capitalism in order to reshape the global economy the way the U.S. government wants it to be. You are characterizing it as the government "not allowing" wealth, resources, and jobs to go where the free market, and capitalism, dictate.

I think one day not too far away, Republicans will rue this day, because a Democrat President and Congress just might do the same thing, only in a different direction.

I guess these are the diminished choices and a sign of the gutting of domestic manufacturing and the middle class.

I'm sorry to be a broken record, but not only have we had a robust manufacturing sector for some time, we have serious labor issues that need addressing, and they're a decade+ in the making (having nothing to do with outsourcing) and continues to get worse. This is where the political narrative collapses around economic realities. Upskilling, education, and a change in work ethic is a critical shift that must occur. All of this predating tariffs, mind you, which if you believe the tariff hype would only exacerbate this issue.

Here is an article about it, and I've pulled out and bolded some key points for the TL;DR crowd.

https://www.npr.org/sections/planet-money/2025/05/13/g-s1-66112/why-arent-americans-filling-the-manufacturing-jobs-we-already-have

State of Manufacturing Now:

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President Trump has been upending the global economy in the name of bringing manufacturing back. President Joe Biden signed into law massive investments aimed at doing something similar. The American manufacturing sector is reviving after decades of decay.

But there's something a bit weird undercutting this movement to reshore factory jobs: American manufacturers say they are struggling to fill the jobs they already have.

According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are nearly half a million open manufacturing jobs right now.

Last year, the Manufacturing Institute, a non-profit aimed at developing America's manufacturing workforce, and Deloitte, a consultancy firm, surveyed more than 200 manufacturing companies. More than 65% percent of the firms said recruiting and retaining workers was their number one business challenge.

Part of the story has been a tight labor market. There have been similar worker recruitment and retention issues in other sectors, like construction and transportation. But the shortfall of manufacturing workers is about more than just that and, with both parties pushing to reshore manufacturing, analysts expect the industry's workforce issues to get even more challenging.

The Biden administration invested over $2 trillion on initiatives aimed at reinvigorating American industry, in legislation like the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA), the CHIPS and Science Act, and the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). There's now an explosion of spending to construct new factories in America, and analysts expect the demand for manufacturing workers to pop.

The average manufacturing worker is also relatively old, and the industry expects a tidal wave of retirements in the coming decade.

The Manufacturing Institute and Deloitte projected that the industry will need 3.8 million additional workers by 2033, and that as many as "1.9 million of these jobs could go unfilled if workforce challenges are not addressed."

These estimates, mind you, were calculated before President Trump's recent tariffs, which, at least theoretically, are supposed to compel even more manufacturers to build factories in America. If things go to plan, we may need even more Americans to start working in manufacturing in coming

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Education and skills gap:

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One big reason manufacturers can't fill these jobs overnight is because they require workers to have particular skills. And it's not just skills needed to work on assembly lines. Only around two in five manufacturing jobs are directly involved in making stuff. Manufacturers also employ people to do research and development, engineering, design, finance, sales, marketing, and so on.

Part of the political appeal of bringing manufacturing back is that, historically, they've provided good jobs and career ladders for people without a college education. However, many manufacturing jobs these days actually require college degrees.

Carolyn Lee, the president and executive director of the Manufacturing Institute, says that roughly half of the open positions in manufacturing require at least a bachelor's degree.

That said, the other half of open manufacturing jobs don't require a bachelor's degree. And manufacturers say they are also struggling to fill those.

Lee says some of the most in-demand positions in manufacturing right now are maintenance technicians, machine operators, material handlers, and forklift operators.

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"These jobs are in factories that are completely different from the factories of 25 years ago," Hanson says. "They require people to know how to use pretty sophisticated machinery."

"The hardest skills to find are the ones that maintain and fix equipment," Lee says. "Every company we speak with is trying to hire technicians. Every single one. The challenge is that there is no one walking around on the street with these skills, and it takes 1-2 years to teach those skills and another 1-2 years to contextualize those skills to the specific plant environment."

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Long discussion about the necessity for apprenticeships to help facilitate in the article also. EXTREMELY important.

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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JR in action?

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JR has been pretty reasonable on this thread. It's Mothra who is foaming at the mouth.

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LOL. Of course, total fealty is always demanded by the Trumpist.

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Nah, not total fealty. Just balance and fair play. We know Trump embarrasses you, that you have to relentlessly criticize his every word & deed to maintain your self-image.

In the real world, he had a pretty good weekend.

Just this weekend Trump: announced a trade deal with China, brokered an in person meeting between Ukraine and Russia, helped stop a potential war between India and Pakistan, announced an end to big pharma US profiteering, & got the final American hostage released by Hamas.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) May 12, 2025

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Yep. Trump's rolling forward to make positive change for everyone. All they can do is beech and moan. They don't like him at all and thereby they don't like his approach. Even tho early signs show it appears to be working as intended. They favor a slow roll because the news tells them they should be concerned. Their preferred slow roll approach is a laughable concept. Never would happen.

Don't know what the end result will be but I like the general plan and approach, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

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So making Americans pay much higher prices for everything is good for Americans?

Interesting take.

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Watch this:

A country that doesn’t make anything quickly dies. Former US trade representative Robert Lighthizer explains how Trump’s tariff program can stop America’s slide.

(0:00) Why Do We Need to Reinstitute Tariffs?
(6:10) The Slow Death of America’s Working Class
(13:35) Donald… pic.twitter.com/2zLcxoNnGD

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) March 19, 2025

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Folks terminally worried about the price of their t shirts will pretend not to understand the rationale of this video.

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I guess you're no longer Mr. "People have to live with their choices" any more?

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If the government continues to allow our country's wealth , resources and jobs to be drained overseas……

people's choices will continue to diminish.

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It's always funny how you can mischaracterize anything. What Trump is doing is using the power of the government to interfere with free trade and capitalism in order to reshape the global economy the way the U.S. government wants it to be. You are characterizing it as the government "not allowing" wealth, resources, and jobs to go where the free market, and capitalism, dictate.

I think one day not too far away, Republicans will rue this day, because a Democrat President and Congress just might do the same thing, only in a different direction.

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It would take far more time than I am willing to invest ; to bring you up to speed.

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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JR in action?

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JR has been pretty reasonable on this thread. It's Mothra who is foaming at the mouth.

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LOL. Of course, total fealty is always demanded by the Trumpist.

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Nah, not total fealty. Just balance and fair play. We know Trump embarrasses you, that you have to relentlessly criticize his every word & deed to maintain your self-image.

In the real world, he had a pretty good weekend.

Just this weekend Trump: announced a trade deal with China, brokered an in person meeting between Ukraine and Russia, helped stop a potential war between India and Pakistan, announced an end to big pharma US profiteering, & got the final American hostage released by Hamas.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) May 12, 2025

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Nah, not relentless criticism. Just criticism of two of his stupid policies: 1) blanket tariffs and 2) alienating Canadians.

That's it. But I can see to a sycophant that ANY criticism makes one a Trump hater.

Is there ANYTHING you don't agree with Trump on? Like one single thing? Or are you too hyper partisan to even identify one thing?

In the real world, the devil is in the details. Let's see how good this China deal was when we see the fine print. It could end up like the British deal, which wasn't all that great for Americans, unless they like paying higher prices for British goods.

As for the rest, agree it was a good weekend. As I said above, he's good at negotiating peace deals. He deserves kudos for the India-Pakistan spat.

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those stupid policies are working out splendidly.

Remember how I've said corporations are going to "move a greater percentage of the supply chains inside the USA? Apple planning to invest $500b to move parts of its operation back home.

Trump says he talked to Apple CEO Tim Cook after China tariff rollback

No serious adult should care too much about what the Canadians think about all this. It's good for us. If they don't like it, they can go wax their skis

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Lol. No, not so much, unless by splendidly you mean Trump is securing non-binding oral commitments that make it a lot more expensive for Americans to buy products. An

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out of touch with reality.

*There's a confusion about China. The popular conception is that companies come to China because of low labor cost. I'm not sure what part of China they go to, but the truth is China stopped being the low-labor-cost country many years ago. And that is not the reason to come to China from a supply point of view. The reason is because of the skill, and the quantity of skill in one location and the type of skill it is."
-Apple CEO Tim Cook
https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/apple-ceo-tim-cook-this-is-number-1-reason-we-make-iphones-in-china-its-not-what-you-think.html

It makes no sense for corporations to make investments which face significant risks of supply chain interruption to the realities of global geopolitics. Wise corporate leadership will seek to minimize that risk by bringing larger percentages of their production home. With incentives, Apple and others will start to locate more of their production here. We are watching it happen in real time, thanks to policies of this administration. Can't happen all at once, for reasons Cook cites. But over time, it is going to happen. And it all started NOW because of the policies of this administration.

China had little of that skill 20 years ago. It was built over time. it will take time to build those skillsets here, but we will.

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The drama club here just doesn't care. They absolutely can't see that reshaping supply lines is vital for the West. They are truly lemmings of old narratives with zero foresight beyond the immediate.

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KaiBear said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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Mothra said:

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whiterock said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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JR in action?

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JR has been pretty reasonable on this thread. It's Mothra who is foaming at the mouth.

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LOL. Of course, total fealty is always demanded by the Trumpist.

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Nah, not total fealty. Just balance and fair play. We know Trump embarrasses you, that you have to relentlessly criticize his every word & deed to maintain your self-image.

In the real world, he had a pretty good weekend.

Just this weekend Trump: announced a trade deal with China, brokered an in person meeting between Ukraine and Russia, helped stop a potential war between India and Pakistan, announced an end to big pharma US profiteering, & got the final American hostage released by Hamas.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) May 12, 2025

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Yep. Trump's rolling forward to make positive change for everyone. All they can do is beech and moan. They don't like him at all and thereby they don't like his approach. Even tho early signs show it appears to be working as intended. They favor a slow roll because the news tells them they should be concerned. Their preferred slow roll approach is a laughable concept. Never would happen.

Don't know what the end result will be but I like the general plan and approach, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

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So making Americans pay much higher prices for everything is good for Americans?

Interesting take.

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Watch this:

A country that doesn’t make anything quickly dies. Former US trade representative Robert Lighthizer explains how Trump’s tariff program can stop America’s slide.

(0:00) Why Do We Need to Reinstitute Tariffs?
(6:10) The Slow Death of America’s Working Class
(13:35) Donald… pic.twitter.com/2zLcxoNnGD

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) March 19, 2025

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Folks terminally worried about the price of their t shirts will pretend not to understand the rationale of this video.

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I guess you're no longer Mr. "People have to live with their choices" any more?

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If the government continues to allow our country's wealth , resources and jobs to be drained overseas……

people's choices will continue to diminish.

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It's always funny how you can mischaracterize anything. What Trump is doing is using the power of the government to interfere with free trade and capitalism in order to reshape the global economy the way the U.S. government wants it to be. You are characterizing it as the government "not allowing" wealth, resources, and jobs to go where the free market, and capitalism, dictate.

I think one day not too far away, Republicans will rue this day, because a Democrat President and Congress just might do the same thing, only in a different direction.

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It would take more time than I am willing to invest ; to bring you up to speed.

Do you possess full time employment ?

Have you ever possessed full time employment ?


Based on your posting history it seems to be highly unlikely.

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You forgot to post something, is there anything you meant to say in reply?

Did you even notice your source was npr?

Long screeds from a leftist source aren't suddenly insightful just because they are long

A long crap just stinks more than the standard crap.

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Did you even notice your source was npr?

Long screeds from a leftist source aren't suddenly insightful just because they are long

A long crap just stinks more than the standard crap.

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Do you fathom how blind and ill informed you are? They literally interview conservatives in the article, use data from the BLS, the Manufacturing Institute and other trade associations. It's not even an opinion article, it simply asked the question of why can't we fill the half a million jobs in manufacturing today, and how we can deal with the issues as that demand continues to increase.

Good grief man.

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Did you even notice your source was npr?

Long screeds from a leftist source aren't suddenly insightful just because they are long

A long crap just stinks more than the standard crap.

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Do you fathom how blind and ill informed you are? They literally interview conservatives in the article, use data from the BLS, the Manufacturing Institute and other trade associations. It's not even an opinion article, it simply asked the question of why can't we fill the half a million jobs in manufacturing today, and how we can deal with the issues as that demand continues to increase.

Good grief man.

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You do understand that npr edits their articles/programs to produce the product they want, right?


Or perhaps you haven't heard the warning about "lies, damn lies and statistics".

Context, balance and bias all factor in here, and when someone starts with an assumption they won't even look for alternatives that work better.

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Did you even notice your source was npr?

Long screeds from a leftist source aren't suddenly insightful just because they are long

A long crap just stinks more than the standard crap.

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Do you fathom how blind and ill informed you are? They literally interview conservatives in the article, use data from the BLS, the Manufacturing Institute and other trade associations. It's not even an opinion article, it simply asked the question of why can't we fill the half a million jobs in manufacturing today, and how we can deal with the issues as that demand continues to increase.

Good grief man.

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You do understand that npr edits their articles/programs to produce the product they want, right?


Or perhaps you haven't heard the warning about "lies, damn lies and statistics".

Context, balance and bias all factor in here, and when someone starts with an assumption they won't even look for alternatives that work better.

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So the BLS is a great source for a jobs report that Trumpers can tout for their guy, but it's lies and damn lies when it reports half a million unfilled manufacturing jobs.

Do you have any self awareness of this level of absurdity?

I know NPR produces biased opinion pieces. Even if you "contextualized" this as some sort of opinion piece, which it is about as far away from one as you can get, just stick to the data. Maybe I need some X rando to post it for credibility. Unbelievable…

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Did you even notice your source was npr?

Long screeds from a leftist source aren't suddenly insightful just because they are long

A long crap just stinks more than the standard crap.

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Do you fathom how blind and ill informed you are? They literally interview conservatives in the article, use data from the BLS, the Manufacturing Institute and other trade associations. It's not even an opinion article, it simply asked the question of why can't we fill the half a million jobs in manufacturing today, and how we can deal with the issues as that demand continues to increase.

Good grief man.

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You do understand that npr edits their articles/programs to produce the product they want, right?


Or perhaps you haven't heard the warning about "lies, damn lies and statistics".

Context, balance and bias all factor in here, and when someone starts with an assumption they won't even look for alternatives that work better.

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So the BLS is a great source for a jobs report that Trumpers can tout for their guy, but it's lies and damn lies when it reports half a million unfilled manufacturing jobs.

Do you have any self awareness of this level of absurdity?

I know NPR produces biased opinion pieces. Even if you "contextualized" this as some sort of opinion piece, which it is about as far away from one as you can get, just stick to the data. Maybe I need some X rando to post it for credibility. Unbelievable…

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I hope you understand that your post did just what I mentioned: cherry-picked what I posted so you could throw poo?

Prolly not. If you don't understand how editors build valid data into invalid conclusions, and NPR does this as often as, say, AOC, then you are left with nothing but calling people "blind and ill informed" for not buying into spin.

I mean, your team assured us Trump had "tanked the economy" and had wiped out the stock market before there was any actual economic data on results.

Your team was convinced that the President somehow was making all the decisions, and not working in collaboration with some very smart people who understand how to read key indices.

Calm down, things are actually going well. I'd explain it you, but I don't feel like being called a Trumpist or MAGA-nut or some such, just because you have decided to hate and attack anyone showing confidence in the process and awareness that what we have done for the last three decades isn't going to end well, so let's try something that at least gives us the opportunity to have a better future for our kids.

At least be glad they are doing something about prescription drugs. Sounds like you will be in need ot blood prsesure meds.

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Did you even notice your source was npr?

Long screeds from a leftist source aren't suddenly insightful just because they are long

A long crap just stinks more than the standard crap.

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Do you fathom how blind and ill informed you are? They literally interview conservatives in the article, use data from the BLS, the Manufacturing Institute and other trade associations. It's not even an opinion article, it simply asked the question of why can't we fill the half a million jobs in manufacturing today, and how we can deal with the issues as that demand continues to increase.

Good grief man.

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You do understand that npr edits their articles/programs to produce the product they want, right?


Or perhaps you haven't heard the warning about "lies, damn lies and statistics".

Context, balance and bias all factor in here, and when someone starts with an assumption they won't even look for alternatives that work better.

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So the BLS is a great source for a jobs report that Trumpers can tout for their guy, but it's lies and damn lies when it reports half a million unfilled manufacturing jobs.

Do you have any self awareness of this level of absurdity?

I know NPR produces biased opinion pieces. Even if you "contextualized" this as some sort of opinion piece, which it is about as far away from one as you can get, just stick to the data. Maybe I need some X rando to post it for credibility. Unbelievable…

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I hope you understand that your post did just what I mentioned: cherry-picked what I posted so you could throw poo?

Prolly not. If you don't understand how editors build valid data into invalid conclusions, and NPR does this as often as, say, AOC, then you are left with nothing but calling people "blind and ill informed" for not buying into spin.

I mean, your team assured us Trump had "tanked the economy" and had wiped out the stock market before there was any actual economic data on results.

Your team was convinced that the President somehow was making all the decisions, and not working in collaboration with some very smart people who understand how to read key indices.

Calm down, things are actually going well. I'd explain it you, but I don't feel like being called a Trumpist or MAGA-nut or some such, just because you have decided to hate and attack anyone showing confidence in the process and awareness that what we have done for the last three decades isn't going to end well, so let's try something that at least gives us the opportunity to have a better future for our kids.

At least be glad they are doing something about prescription drugs. Sounds like you will be in need ot blood prsesure meds.

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A month of unnecessary volatility to get back to where we started? Proving that tariffs work by attacking the world (I'm old enough to remember the chart) with high tariffs, claiming liberation day, only to suspend them? Spiking the football on the economy as the market positively reacts to the pullback of the very policies touted 6 weeks ago? Lauding trade deals that aren't complete, like with India who filed for additional tariffs on U.S. goods with the WTO recently? This truly is 4D chess…

And I won't rely on the government or any politician for a better future for my children. The folly of history has borne that out for millenia.

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Results:

🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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JR in action?

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JR has been pretty reasonable on this thread. It's Mothra who is foaming at the mouth.

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LOL. Of course, total fealty is always demanded by the Trumpist.

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Nah, not total fealty. Just balance and fair play. We know Trump embarrasses you, that you have to relentlessly criticize his every word & deed to maintain your self-image.

In the real world, he had a pretty good weekend.

Just this weekend Trump: announced a trade deal with China, brokered an in person meeting between Ukraine and Russia, helped stop a potential war between India and Pakistan, announced an end to big pharma US profiteering, & got the final American hostage released by Hamas.

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) May 12, 2025

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Nah, not relentless criticism. Just criticism of two of his stupid policies: 1) blanket tariffs and 2) alienating Canadians.

That's it. But I can see to a sycophant that ANY criticism makes one a Trump hater.

Is there ANYTHING you don't agree with Trump on? Like one single thing? Or are you too hyper partisan to even identify one thing?

In the real world, the devil is in the details. Let's see how good this China deal was when we see the fine print. It could end up like the British deal, which wasn't all that great for Americans, unless they like paying higher prices for British goods.

As for the rest, agree it was a good weekend. As I said above, he's good at negotiating peace deals. He deserves kudos for the India-Pakistan spat.

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those stupid policies are working out splendidly.

Remember how I've said corporations are going to "move a greater percentage of the supply chains inside the USA? Apple planning to invest $500b to move parts of its operation back home.

Trump says he talked to Apple CEO Tim Cook after China tariff rollback

No serious adult should care too much about what the Canadians think about all this. It's good for us. If they don't like it, they can go wax their skis

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Ah yes, non-binding commitments to move a small amount of manufacturing back to the US while the average American will be hit $1,200 per year in the pocket book.

I of course know all you do is spin, but "splendidly" is an interesting description.

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Interesting way to structure a critique = major corporations and foreign governments who depend upon our protection are announcing investments they have no intention of making? $10T investment in production is a small amount? If you put down your hyperbole machine, you might realize that we don't need to bring all production home to fix our trade deficit. Just a 12 percentage point swing....$600B less imports, $600B more imports. That's why I've been saying "corporations are going to move greater percentages of their supply chains inside the USA." They'd be profoundly stupid not to do it.....to minimize their exposure to tariffs and resulting loss of market share.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/218255/total-value-of-us-trade-in-goods-worldwide-since-2004/

So, yeah, he's doing pretty good. His polling numbers are steady with the units who've been most accurate the last several cycles. Rasmussen, who got it within .8 (low) actually has him up to 52% just yesterday. He was handed a slowing economy (actually in recession on the day he was inaugurated) and has pushed enormous, consequential changes in trade policies against heavy criticism, yet stock markets are flat for the year. Meanwhile, there are riots in China over unpaid wages (because factories are idle). A rapid & spectacular success on the border, to include aggressive deportation policies that have his pushed his polling to 62% approval with hispanics. Looks like he's gonna get the budget he wants despite narrow majorities in Congress. And on and on and on. Hardly a crisis, Chicken Little, for either the country or conservatism.

He really does destabilize the minds of his critics.
Quit watching MSNBC and come back to reality.

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I guess these are the diminished choices and a sign of the gutting of domestic manufacturing and the middle class.

I'm sorry to be a broken record, but not only have we had a robust manufacturing sector for some time, we have serious labor issues that need addressing, and they're a decade+ in the making (having nothing to do with outsourcing) and continues to get worse. This is where the political narrative collapses around economic realities. Upskilling, education, and a change in work ethic is a critical shift that must occur. All of this predating tariffs, mind you, which if you believe the tariff hype would only exacerbate this issue.

Here is an article about it, and I've pulled out and bolded some key points for the TL;DR crowd.

https://www.npr.org/sections/planet-money/2025/05/13/g-s1-66112/why-arent-americans-filling-the-manufacturing-jobs-we-already-have

State of Manufacturing Now:

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President Trump has been upending the global economy in the name of bringing manufacturing back. President Joe Biden signed into law massive investments aimed at doing something similar. The American manufacturing sector is reviving after decades of decay.

But there's something a bit weird undercutting this movement to reshore factory jobs: American manufacturers say they are struggling to fill the jobs they already have.

According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are nearly half a million open manufacturing jobs right now.

Last year, the Manufacturing Institute, a non-profit aimed at developing America's manufacturing workforce, and Deloitte, a consultancy firm, surveyed more than 200 manufacturing companies. More than 65% percent of the firms said recruiting and retaining workers was their number one business challenge.

Part of the story has been a tight labor market. There have been similar worker recruitment and retention issues in other sectors, like construction and transportation. But the shortfall of manufacturing workers is about more than just that and, with both parties pushing to reshore manufacturing, analysts expect the industry's workforce issues to get even more challenging.

The Biden administration invested over $2 trillion on initiatives aimed at reinvigorating American industry, in legislation like the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA), the CHIPS and Science Act, and the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). There's now an explosion of spending to construct new factories in America, and analysts expect the demand for manufacturing workers to pop.

The average manufacturing worker is also relatively old, and the industry expects a tidal wave of retirements in the coming decade.

The Manufacturing Institute and Deloitte projected that the industry will need 3.8 million additional workers by 2033, and that as many as "1.9 million of these jobs could go unfilled if workforce challenges are not addressed."

These estimates, mind you, were calculated before President Trump's recent tariffs, which, at least theoretically, are supposed to compel even more manufacturers to build factories in America. If things go to plan, we may need even more Americans to start working in manufacturing in coming

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Education and skills gap:

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One big reason manufacturers can't fill these jobs overnight is because they require workers to have particular skills. And it's not just skills needed to work on assembly lines. Only around two in five manufacturing jobs are directly involved in making stuff. Manufacturers also employ people to do research and development, engineering, design, finance, sales, marketing, and so on.

Part of the political appeal of bringing manufacturing back is that, historically, they've provided good jobs and career ladders for people without a college education. However, many manufacturing jobs these days actually require college degrees.

Carolyn Lee, the president and executive director of the Manufacturing Institute, says that roughly half of the open positions in manufacturing require at least a bachelor's degree.

That said, the other half of open manufacturing jobs don't require a bachelor's degree. And manufacturers say they are also struggling to fill those.

Lee says some of the most in-demand positions in manufacturing right now are maintenance technicians, machine operators, material handlers, and forklift operators.

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"These jobs are in factories that are completely different from the factories of 25 years ago," Hanson says. "They require people to know how to use pretty sophisticated machinery."

"The hardest skills to find are the ones that maintain and fix equipment," Lee says. "Every company we speak with is trying to hire technicians. Every single one. The challenge is that there is no one walking around on the street with these skills, and it takes 1-2 years to teach those skills and another 1-2 years to contextualize those skills to the specific plant environment."

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Long discussion about the necessity for apprenticeships to help facilitate in the article also. EXTREMELY important.

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You know, China had those same kinds of skills gaps 30 years ago. They don't now. And they didn't fill those skills gaps in days. Or years. Took DECADES. and it all started with trade agreements between governments, which created the laws of gravity that shaped trade flows. Trump policies are changing those laws of gravity to get our economy more balanced, less dependent on supply chains flowing from/thru a hostile rival power.

So simple. Big changes that will make us stronger better. One must work awfully hard not to see it.

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

J.R. said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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Results:

🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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The plane will be used as Air Force One until he leaves office, delaying taxpayer expense on a new one. When he leaves office, it will be transferred over to the Trump Presidential Library, where it will in a few short years (likely at the end of Trump's life) become a museum piece. Statute does specifically allow Presidential Libraries to own gifts (presidential libraries are run on donor monies, ya know.....).

but if you are going to invent stuff to virtue posture about, be consistent. Are you going to insist that we give the Resolute Desk back to the British? Wouldn't want that thing to corrupt our policy dealings with His Majesty's government.

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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let's. clarify. He has said $10T of deals. How much really comes to fruition is highly doubtful.

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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let's. clarify. He has said $10T of deals. How much really comes to fruition is highly doubtful.

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LOL using the words "lets clarify" as a preface to nonsense. The investments he's listed have been announced by the investors. In many cases those investors are participating in the associated photo ops. Several of the largest traveled to Saudi Arabia to participate in a major diplomatic event in which investment was a primary focus. You're saying that all those folks are just lying to make the photo ops? That they don't focus their time and energy on things that are actually going to make them money? Did you do that with our companies? Did you walk in front of the press and announce grand initiatives you had no intentions of pursuing just to get a photo op with a crass old man with a bad tan and one of his cronies draped in a bedsheet?

One of the most entertaining things about Trump is the way he inflames the vanities of his critics.

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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let's. clarify. He has said $10T of deals. How much really comes to fruition is highly doubtful.

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How much of such doubtful investments did Biden generate ?


Doubtful or not Trumps conduct has clearly inspired a revived business interest in the United States that is unprecedented.

It's perfectly fine to hate Donald Trump or anyone else you wish……..

but good grief it's also ok to give the guy credit for an unbelievable amount of effort in his first few months in office.

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I guess these are the diminished choices and a sign of the gutting of domestic manufacturing and the middle class.

I'm sorry to be a broken record, but not only have we had a robust manufacturing sector for some time, we have serious labor issues that need addressing, and they're a decade+ in the making (having nothing to do with outsourcing) and continues to get worse. This is where the political narrative collapses around economic realities. Upskilling, education, and a change in work ethic is a critical shift that must occur. All of this predating tariffs, mind you, which if you believe the tariff hype would only exacerbate this issue.

Here is an article about it, and I've pulled out and bolded some key points for the TL;DR crowd.

https://www.npr.org/sections/planet-money/2025/05/13/g-s1-66112/why-arent-americans-filling-the-manufacturing-jobs-we-already-have

State of Manufacturing Now:

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President Trump has been upending the global economy in the name of bringing manufacturing back. President Joe Biden signed into law massive investments aimed at doing something similar. The American manufacturing sector is reviving after decades of decay.

But there's something a bit weird undercutting this movement to reshore factory jobs: American manufacturers say they are struggling to fill the jobs they already have.

According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are nearly half a million open manufacturing jobs right now.

Last year, the Manufacturing Institute, a non-profit aimed at developing America's manufacturing workforce, and Deloitte, a consultancy firm, surveyed more than 200 manufacturing companies. More than 65% percent of the firms said recruiting and retaining workers was their number one business challenge.

Part of the story has been a tight labor market. There have been similar worker recruitment and retention issues in other sectors, like construction and transportation. But the shortfall of manufacturing workers is about more than just that and, with both parties pushing to reshore manufacturing, analysts expect the industry's workforce issues to get even more challenging.

The Biden administration invested over $2 trillion on initiatives aimed at reinvigorating American industry, in legislation like the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA), the CHIPS and Science Act, and the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). There's now an explosion of spending to construct new factories in America, and analysts expect the demand for manufacturing workers to pop.

The average manufacturing worker is also relatively old, and the industry expects a tidal wave of retirements in the coming decade.

The Manufacturing Institute and Deloitte projected that the industry will need 3.8 million additional workers by 2033, and that as many as "1.9 million of these jobs could go unfilled if workforce challenges are not addressed."

These estimates, mind you, were calculated before President Trump's recent tariffs, which, at least theoretically, are supposed to compel even more manufacturers to build factories in America. If things go to plan, we may need even more Americans to start working in manufacturing in coming

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Education and skills gap:

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One big reason manufacturers can't fill these jobs overnight is because they require workers to have particular skills. And it's not just skills needed to work on assembly lines. Only around two in five manufacturing jobs are directly involved in making stuff. Manufacturers also employ people to do research and development, engineering, design, finance, sales, marketing, and so on.

Part of the political appeal of bringing manufacturing back is that, historically, they've provided good jobs and career ladders for people without a college education. However, many manufacturing jobs these days actually require college degrees.

Carolyn Lee, the president and executive director of the Manufacturing Institute, says that roughly half of the open positions in manufacturing require at least a bachelor's degree.

That said, the other half of open manufacturing jobs don't require a bachelor's degree. And manufacturers say they are also struggling to fill those.

Lee says some of the most in-demand positions in manufacturing right now are maintenance technicians, machine operators, material handlers, and forklift operators.

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"These jobs are in factories that are completely different from the factories of 25 years ago," Hanson says. "They require people to know how to use pretty sophisticated machinery."

"The hardest skills to find are the ones that maintain and fix equipment," Lee says. "Every company we speak with is trying to hire technicians. Every single one. The challenge is that there is no one walking around on the street with these skills, and it takes 1-2 years to teach those skills and another 1-2 years to contextualize those skills to the specific plant environment."

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Long discussion about the necessity for apprenticeships to help facilitate in the article also. EXTREMELY important.

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You know, China had those same kinds of skills gaps 30 years ago. They don't now. And they didn't fill those skills gaps in days. Or years. Took DECADES. and it all started with trade agreements between governments, which created the laws of gravity that shaped trade flows. Trump policies are changing those laws of gravity to get our economy more balanced, less dependent on supply chains flowing from/thru a hostile rival power.

So simple. Big changes that will make us stronger better. One must work awfully hard not to see it.

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China had an employment problem, we don't. The skills required have evolved, especially in the last decade. Timing matters. At least acknowledge I'm giving you an out when the manufacturing employment numbers don't materialize as expected by the end of his term. But I like that we'll have a lot more data center capacity and warehouses.

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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let's. clarify. He has said $10T of deals. How much really comes to fruition is highly doubtful.

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LOL using the words "lets clarify" as a preface to nonsense. The investments he's listed have been announced by the investors. In many cases those investors are participating in the associated photo ops. Several of the largest traveled to Saudi Arabia to participate in a major diplomatic event in which investment was a primary focus. You're saying that all those folks are just lying to make the photo ops? That they don't focus their time and energy on things that are actually going to make them money? Did you do that with our companies? Did you walk in front of the press and announce grand initiatives you had no intentions of pursuing just to get a photo op with a crass old man with a bad tan and one of his cronies draped in a bedsheet?

One of the most entertaining things about Trump is the way he inflames the vanities of his critics.

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yeah, you are right. He's never been know to embellish, lie, and use hyperbole. Just like all those factories lining up to put brick and mortar in the US. They are playacting him and telling him what he wants to hear in many, many cases.

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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let's. clarify. He has said $10T of deals. How much really comes to fruition is highly doubtful.

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LOL using the words "lets clarify" as a preface to nonsense. The investments he's listed have been announced by the investors. In many cases those investors are participating in the associated photo ops. Several of the largest traveled to Saudi Arabia to participate in a major diplomatic event in which investment was a primary focus. You're saying that all those folks are just lying to make the photo ops? That they don't focus their time and energy on things that are actually going to make them money? Did you do that with our companies? Did you walk in front of the press and announce grand initiatives you had no intentions of pursuing just to get a photo op with a crass old man with a bad tan and one of his cronies draped in a bedsheet?

One of the most entertaining things about Trump is the way he inflames the vanities of his critics.

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yeah, you are right. He's never been know to embellish, lie, and use hyperbole. Just like all those factories lining up to put brick and mortar in the US. They are playacting him and telling him what he wants to hear in many, many cases.

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lol boy a lot of very important people invested a lot of time in a far away land and signed agreements amid great pomp and fanfare committing a lot of money in exchange for a lot of US exports.....all to flatter Trump? They must think dude with the golden hair must a terribly hard person to impress. They way his critics talk, all anyone has to do is send him a candy-gram via scantily clad lass to wiggle in his lap while singing him songs of praise.....

The Saudi stuff will happen. Iran is the hobgoblin of the Sunni mind, particularly the Gulf Arabs. They are going to buy the military stuff, and are committed to the AI/energy stuff as a trade-off for getting the goods.

The problem going forward in the Persian Gulf is that the prospect of Iranian nukes has galvanized Sunnis to put on ice a lot of long-standing agendas on Israel and pushing islam into the West. Trump is exploiting it to solve the very real problem of Iranian nukes, and to get normalized relations for Israel with all of its neighbors. After the Iranian nukes go away, though, the pudding could reasonably be expected to lose some or all of its theme.

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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let's. clarify. He has said $10T of deals. How much really comes to fruition is highly doubtful.

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How much of such doubtful investments did Biden generate ?


Doubtful or not Trumps conduct has clearly inspired a revived business interest in the United States that is unprecedented.

It's perfectly fine to hate Donald Trump or anyone else you wish……..

but good grief it's also ok to give the guy credit for an unbelievable amount of effort in his first few months in office.

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Biden isn't President, so backward looking is NOT productive. Biden was absolutely terrible BTW

Wow, just wow. MSNBC...how cutting and disgraceful. Always helps to get some additional perspective. I feel the same way about Fox. It is just nauseating, mostly. Much of MSNBC is the same. There are good, thoughtful people on both and CNN. If I watch cable news, which I don't much, I prefer CNN on balance. Specifically, I think Kaitlyn Collins, Anderson Cooper, Fared Zarkaria (best on TV IMO). MSNBC ...Madow, Chris Hayes are terrible and way biased. I like Stephanie Rhule. I like Brett Beir, Dana Perino on Fox. I find Hannity and Watters terrible. I much prefer CNBC for business as I find their line up from top to bottom very professional and smart. Fox Business is terrible and has gotten worse since they ran off Neil Cavuto what great. Maria B done lost her mind. Varney...shill and isn't very smart. Point being there are good and bad on all stations and I think it is important to get a smattering of all of it just merely for perspective.

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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let's. clarify. He has said $10T of deals. How much really comes to fruition is highly doubtful.

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How much of such doubtful investments did Biden generate ?


Doubtful or not Trumps conduct has clearly inspired a revived business interest in the United States that is unprecedented.

It's perfectly fine to hate Donald Trump or anyone else you wish……..

but good grief it's also ok to give the guy credit for an unbelievable amount of effort in his first few months in office.

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Biden isn't President, so backward looking is NOT productive. Biden was absolutely terrible BTW

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Disagree

We are all evaluated, in part, in comparison to our peers.

is it possible to consume too much #winning???

PA.

- UL

.... and, as always, TIA.

D!

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is it possible to consume too much #winning???

PA.

- UL

.... and, as always, TIA.

D!

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Yes

However it is wonderful !

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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Biden isn't President. Did you know that? Oh, please refute my points about the folks Trumpy was kissing their ass, wanted to accept an airplane from the largest sponsor of terrorsm. You clowns were droning on about how all muslims want to kill us. Are these cats any different? NO. Oh, while we are discussing Trumps grifting and the Trump Crime Family, well have pole dancer Bondi who was getting $110K per month from Quatar for lobbying.. Very nice. Yall good with the stripper-like AG?

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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Biden isn't President. Did you know that? Oh, please refute my points about the folks Trumpy was kissing their ass, wanted to accept an airplane from the largest sponsor of terrorsm. You clowns were droning on about how all muslims want to kill us. Are these cats any different? NO. Oh, while we are discussing Trumps grifting and the Trump Crime Family, well have pole dancer Bondi who was getting $110K per month from Quatar for lobbying.. Very nice. Yall good with the stripper-like AG?

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Ridiculous comments throughout and you know it.

For whatever reason it entertains you to employ an incredible double standard involving Dems and Republicans.

And that's fine…it's a free message board of maybe 20 regular contributors. Cheap therapy / entertainment I suppose.

Now the AG is a stripper ?

LOL

Whatever.

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🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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You clowns were droning on about how all muslims want to kill us.

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Militant Muslims are the feces of the species. There should be a bounty on them.

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Results:

🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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Biden isn't President. Did you know that? Oh, please refute my points about the folks Trumpy was kissing their ass, wanted to accept an airplane from the largest sponsor of terrorsm. You clowns were droning on about how all muslims want to kill us. Are these cats any different? NO. Oh, while we are discussing Trumps grifting and the Trump Crime Family, well have pole dancer Bondi who was getting $110K per month from Quatar for lobbying.. Very nice. Yall good with the stripper-like AG?

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Ridiculous comments throughout and you know it.

For whatever reason it entertains you to employ an incredible double standard involving Dems and Republicans.

And that's fine…it's a free message board of maybe 20 regular contributors. Cheap therapy / entertainment I suppose.

Now the AG is a stripper ?

LOL

Whatever.

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call em like I see them. certainly she isn't a pole master, but a Trump staff member. She could use a makeover to be taken seriously, just like Trump needs a new tailor. I do not differentiate between dems and reps. They are alll fairly terrible. The new Biden tapes are really disturbing. Who ever protected his total incompetence should be found out and put out there as their career should be over.

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Results:

🚨BREAKING: President Trump and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman just signed a deal bringing over $600 billion in investments to the U.S.
pic.twitter.com/pveqhKdljp

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) May 13, 2025

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yeah, lets get into bed with a stone cold killer! Trump enriching himself. Oh, let grift an airplane from a state sponsor of Hamas. Let's grift all over the mid east with people who are NOT our friends. Ie, fart coins, RE deals, young Jared getting 2B from Saudi for a business he has never been in (PE). Trump really cares about you mama mercans. Oh,, and the drug price announcement is nothing more than a suggestion.

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Since his inauguration Trump has brought approximately 10 trillion dollars worth of investments into the US.


An unprecedented amount which will help the US job market.

What did Biden generate …..what did he do to help the American middle class ? Bring in millions of illegals that the American taxpayers had to financially support.

Millions of illegals that crowded our hospitals and strained city services.

Amazing how some folks get amnesia.

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Biden isn't President. Did you know that? Oh, please refute my points about the folks Trumpy was kissing their ass, wanted to accept an airplane from the largest sponsor of terrorsm. You clowns were droning on about how all muslims want to kill us. Are these cats any different? NO. Oh, while we are discussing Trumps grifting and the Trump Crime Family, well have pole dancer Bondi who was getting $110K per month from Quatar for lobbying.. Very nice. Yall good with the stripper-like AG?

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Ridiculous comments throughout and you know it.

For whatever reason it entertains you to employ an incredible double standard involving Dems and Republicans.

And that's fine…it's a free message board of maybe 20 regular contributors. Cheap therapy / entertainment I suppose.

Now the AG is a stripper ?

LOL

Whatever.

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call em like I see them. certainly she isn't a pole master, but a Trump staff member. She could use a makeover to be taken seriously, just like Trump needs a new tailor. I do not differentiate between dems and reps. They are alll fairly terrible. The new Biden tapes are really disturbing. Who ever protected his total incompetence should be found out and put out there as their career should be over.

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Suspect each of the 20 regular posters feels they call them as they see them.

Though most ( including myself ) see things through a particular lense.

Trump could certainly benefit from some new clothes. But of course such concerns are irrelevant to the man in charge of 3000 hydrogen bombs .

The AG certainly is an attractive woman, especially for her age and occupation. But again such concerns are irrelevant in comparison to her job performance. And so far she has not impressed me.