Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.

Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.

Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.

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He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html

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Every Trump voter is not right wing and every Biden voter is not left wing. 77+ million people voted for him. Including growing percentages of black men and Latinos (historically democratic voters)

We only get two choices for President in this county.

Now he might have held anti-Mormon views…but it would be a low chance he picked those up from standard rightwing American discourse. After all most Mormons are conservatives-to right wing.

He might have a personal problem with the Mormons. Or even more likely he is a total nut who attacked a place of worship and had no political motive at all and no particular dislike of Mormons (it was just the first church he spotted)

I am sure the authorities will find out

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He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.

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Fair enough

Any evidence so far his love of the orange man has anything to do with his murderous attack on Mormons near his home?

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Who knows. It's not a nuance that's given to guys who have a trans roommate.

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Except of course the murder of Charlie Kirk was investigated and arrested by State authorities and we do know something in regards to that attack

From the State authorities themselves

[Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah on Sunday provided new information about the background and political leanings of the 22-year-old accused of killing Charlie Kirk, saying that the suspect had a "leftist ideology" and had also been in a romantic relationship with a partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female.]

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.

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This is not hard. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

Some killers have a specific, ideological-political motive.

Some do not.

Some are nuts.

A person who voted for X that commits a crime for no -political reasons should not be called an X-wing .

A guy attacking a Mormon church does not seem like he
would be motivated by right-wing politics. What
makes you think that?

I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

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Happy, healthy , successful, individuals don't go around killing people.

It's the unhealthy, damaged individuals who usually resort to bizarre hatreds as an easy method to give their lives meaning.

And to hate Mormons ( or Jews, Catholics, or Protestants ) is totally nuts.

He was a real man that drove a pick up with two big America flags in the back a nd deer skull and antlers attached to the grill.


Didnt Trump make a speech that where he said he hated people that didnt agree or vote for him?









He sure has changed

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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DAC said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Those that do own "assault rifles" should have them registered to an individual and
that individual required to pass certified safety courses in order to continue owning them.

This should include continuing education.

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Hell no
This is a terrible idea

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Yea, I would like to agree with you, I'm also not including bolt action long rifles like the Mauser or Shot Guns,
just semi automatic rifles.

We have to be licensed to fish, we have to be licensed to drive, we have to be registered to vote, we have to have certificates or licenses for any number of other serious endevors.

Owning a semi-auto rifle is a serious responsiblility, that I've grown to accept needs to have some type of training or certification involved.

I own several of them so it's not like I don't have experience. I have multiple AR-15's and a couple SKS model rifles. I also own a bolt action Turkish Mauser and other shot guns and hand guns. I love them all.

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You may own all these guns, but the fact that you are advocating for a federal registry indicates that you have no idea why the constitution guarantees your right to own them.

Last year, 12000 people in the UK were arrested and sent to prison for "hate speech". Bimbo Bondi's first reaction to Charlie Kirk's shooting was to suggest that such laws come to the United States. Now they want "soft censorship" instead with digital IDs to "controrl" what you say on the internet.

Our first amendment, and whatever is left of the representative portion of our republic, fully depends on the second.

2 days out, and still no police statements or actual published evidence of political affiliation of the shooter.

What does that tell us?

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.

Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.

Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.

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Might want to look at the context before declaring someone dense. I could see someone who believes the Mormon faith to be apostacy as right wing. I suspect most conservative Christians do (and should). Does that mean he was motivated by right wing beliefs? No, which is why I said "suppose." In other words, I was giving Porteroso the benefit of the doubt.

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2 days out, and still no police statements or actual published evidence of political affiliation of the shooter.

What does that tell us?

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Not sure. The political situation in Utah is...complicated. Although it's a red state, outside of Mike Lee GOP leadership there is almost universally uniparty with significant LGBTQ, deep state, and US Chamber of Commerce sympathies. If someone waved a magic wand and put the Utah GOP in charge of government, we in the south wouldn't like it at all.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.

Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.

Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.

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He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html

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Every Trump voter is not right wing and every Biden voter is not left wing. 77+ million people voted for him. Including growing percentages of black men and Latinos (historically democratic voters)

We only get two choices for President in this county.

Now he might have held anti-Mormon views…but it would be a low chance he picked those up from standard rightwing American discourse. After all most Mormons are conservatives-to right wing.

He might have a personal problem with the Mormons. Or even more likely he is a total nut who attacked a place of worship and had no political motive at all and no particular dislike of Mormons (it was just the first church he spotted)

I am sure the authorities will find out

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He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.

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Fair enough

Any evidence so far his love of the orange man has anything to do with his murderous attack on Mormons near his home?

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Who knows. It's not a nuance that's given to guys who have a trans roommate.

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Well the guy who had a trans boyfriend said he had to get rid of Charlie because the hate Charlie spreads.

That is pretty clear what his thinking was. Who knows what this guy was thinking. Generally conservatives consider Mormons very conservative and on their side politically. A fundamental christian might consider them an enemy of Christ since what they teach isn't orthodox chistianity.

I don't know if this guy was a fundamentalist. Doesn't look like one. Probably being a Marine he had some level of post traumatic stress since he had been deployed to Iraq. But, they will have to investigate to see the motive. Usually far right doesn't attack far right, but mentally unstable folks might attack anybody if the opportunity presents itself.

whiterock said:

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2 days out, and still no police statements or actual published evidence of political affiliation of the shooter.

What does that tell us?

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Nothing I suppose.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.

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This is not hard. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

Some killers have a specific, ideological-political motive.

Some do not.

Some are nuts.

A person who voted for X that commits a crime for no -political reasons should not be called an X-wing .

A guy attacking a Mormon church does not seem like he
would be motivated by right-wing politics. What
makes you think that?

I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

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List them.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.

Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.

Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.

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He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html

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Every Trump voter is not right wing and every Biden voter is not left wing. 77+ million people voted for him. Including growing percentages of black men and Latinos (historically democratic voters)

We only get two choices for President in this county.

Now he might have held anti-Mormon views…but it would be a low chance he picked those up from standard rightwing American discourse. After all most Mormons are conservatives-to right wing.

He might have a personal problem with the Mormons. Or even more likely he is a total nut who attacked a place of worship and had no political motive at all and no particular dislike of Mormons (it was just the first church he spotted)

I am sure the authorities will find out

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He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.

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Fair enough

Any evidence so far his love of the orange man has anything to do with his murderous attack on Mormons near his home?

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Who knows. It's not a nuance that's given to guys who have a trans roommate.

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Well the guy who had a trans boyfriend said he had to get rid of Charlie because the hate Charlie spreads.

That is pretty clear what his thinking was. Who knows what this guy was thinking. Generally conservatives consider Mormons very conservative and on their side politically. A fundamental christian might consider them an enemy of Christ since what they teach isn't orthodox chistianity.

I don't know if this guy was a fundamentalist. Doesn't look like one. Probably being a Marine he had some level of post traumatic stress since he had been deployed to Iraq. But, they will have to investigate to see the motive. Usually far right doesn't attack far right, but mentally unstable folks might attack anybody if the opportunity presents itself.

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That may be true about the Trans boyfriend guy. But, it took a week to find that guy and two others had been falsely arrested before him.

Las Vegas shooter, we never found out.

Realitybites said:

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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DAC said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Those that do own "assault rifles" should have them registered to an individual and
that individual required to pass certified safety courses in order to continue owning them.

This should include continuing education.

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Hell no
This is a terrible idea

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Yea, I would like to agree with you, I'm also not including bolt action long rifles like the Mauser or Shot Guns,
just semi automatic rifles.

We have to be licensed to fish, we have to be licensed to drive, we have to be registered to vote, we have to have certificates or licenses for any number of other serious endevors.

Owning a semi-auto rifle is a serious responsiblility, that I've grown to accept needs to have some type of training or certification involved.

I own several of them so it's not like I don't have experience. I have multiple AR-15's and a couple SKS model rifles. I also own a bolt action Turkish Mauser and other shot guns and hand guns. I love them all.

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You may own all these guns, but the fact that you are advocating for a federal registry indicates that you have no idea why the constitution guarantees your right to own them.

Last year, 12000 people in the UK were arrested and sent to prison for "hate speech". Bimbo Bondi's first reaction to Charlie Kirk's shooting was to suggest that such laws come to the United States. Now they want "soft censorship" instead with digital IDs to "controrl" what you say on the internet.

Our first amendment, and whatever is left of the representative portion of our republic, fully depends on the second.

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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You are advocating the second amendment would have meant an unregulated Militia, I will still go with the possibility that a Safety Certification or formal training on arms safety could be involved for Semi Automatic rifles that the uneducated are calling "assault rifles".

Regulated means some type of training or regulation or standard. To claim I have no idea what the constitution guarantees goes beyond truth. You simply have a different understanding of what the word regulated involves here.

Hey, that's ok.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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You are advocating the second amendment would have meant an unregulated Militia, I will still go with the possibility that a Safety Certification or formal training on arms safety could be involved for Semi Automatic rifles that the uneducated are calling "assault rifles".

Regulated means some type of training or regulation or standard. To claim I have no idea what the constitution guarantees goes beyond truth. You simply have a different understanding of what the word regulated involves here.

Hey, that's ok.

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I'm actually not even going there.

The initial part of that amendment is the why.

The second part of the amendment is the what: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That's an absolute, unconditional right. Not "unless they are criminals." Not "unless they are 'crazy'." Not "unless they are a -hypenated American." This is the portion of the language that contains the constitutional right.

Private firearm ownership, as originally envisioned, was a pretty much unrestricted matter. Heck, well through the 1800s we had *duels*. America was envisioned as a radically decentralized nation. That is, you the armed citizen have the primary responsibility for the maintenance of order in your sphere of influence.

If someone wants to make the argument that aircraft carriers or nuclear weapons are an instrument of foreign policy and therefore not covered by the 2nd and eligible for private ownership, I'm open to that.

Frank Galvin said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.

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This is not hard. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

Some killers have a specific, ideological-political motive.

Some do not.

Some are nuts.

A person who voted for X that commits a crime for no -political reasons should not be called an X-wing .

A guy attacking a Mormon church does not seem like he
would be motivated by right-wing politics. What
makes you think that?

I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

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List them.

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Congressional baseball game (Steve Scalice)
Lee Zeldin attacked during campaign
Trump assassination I
Trump assassination II
Brett Kavanagh attempt
Charlie Kirk assassination

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.

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This is not hard. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

Some killers have a specific, ideological-political motive.

Some do not.

Some are nuts.

A person who voted for X that commits a crime for no -political reasons should not be called an X-wing .

A guy attacking a Mormon church does not seem like he
would be motivated by right-wing politics. What
makes you think that?

I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

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I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

This is willful ignorance. The attacks on the Minnesota lawmaker (Melissa Hortman and her husband) quickly come to mind followed by Paul Pelosi.

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Incorrect.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.

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This is not hard. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

Some killers have a specific, ideological-political motive.

Some do not.

Some are nuts.

A person who voted for X that commits a crime for no -political reasons should not be called an X-wing .

A guy attacking a Mormon church does not seem like he
would be motivated by right-wing politics. What
makes you think that?

I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

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I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

This is willful ignorance. The attacks on the Minnesota lawmaker (Melissa Hortman and her husband) quickly come to mind followed by Paul Pelosi.

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Hortmans, yes.
Pelosi's attacker was known as mentally ill and politically bipolar.

Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.

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This is not hard. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

Some killers have a specific, ideological-political motive.

Some do not.

Some are nuts.

A person who voted for X that commits a crime for no -political reasons should not be called an X-wing .

A guy attacking a Mormon church does not seem like he
would be motivated by right-wing politics. What
makes you think that?

I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

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Then explain to me why, when the Nashville shooter targeted Chridtians he/she hated, we got "liberalism is a mental disorder" type rhetoric, but when this shooter targeted Mormons, which he hated, we all know nobody is going to go with "conservatism is a mental disorder." Of course, just talking about this board.

Why do all liberals get blamed for the actions of the mentally ill when they are left wing, but not the other way around?

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It's really simple. The Gaystapo has been
launching divisive Culture War issues for years and been spreading disinformation that Conversion Therapy is life saving and not wanting a man to shower with your daughter is TRANSPHOBIC!

What did Mormons do? Be polite? Cheer too loud for BYU? Not drink Starbucks?

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.

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This is not hard. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

Some killers have a specific, ideological-political motive.

Some do not.

Some are nuts.

A person who voted for X that commits a crime for no -political reasons should not be called an X-wing .

A guy attacking a Mormon church does not seem like he
would be motivated by right-wing politics. What
makes you think that?

I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

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I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

This is willful ignorance. The attacks on the Minnesota lawmaker (Melissa Hortman and her husband) quickly come to mind followed by Paul Pelosi.

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Hortmans, yes.
Pelosi's attacker was known as mentally ill and politically bipolar.

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Pretty sure believing Tim Walz told you to kill the Speaker might be a sign of the elevator not reaching the top floor.

The question is why are these young white males so twisted that they shoot up people? These young men are lost souls. What's our nation doing to get at the root cause of these kids killing people?

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The question is why are these young white males so twisted that they shoot up people?

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Mr. Waco you as a progressive liberal really really don't want to open that can of worms and start talking about race and gun violence in America.

I promise you will not like the statistics on that….

It will make you very uncomfortable.

Shooters race:
57.8% Black
8.6% Latino
27.9% White
5.7% other

Incident type:
54% interpersonal assaults
16%; self-harm incidents
11% accidental gun discharges
1% legally justified cases pic.twitter.com/YRD9jSim0u

— Aimee Terese (@aimeeterese) September 1, 2025

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Porteroso said:

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This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.

Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.

And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.

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Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.

Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?

In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.

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It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.

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This is not hard. I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you.

Some killers have a specific, ideological-political motive.

Some do not.

Some are nuts.

A person who voted for X that commits a crime for no -political reasons should not be called an X-wing .

A guy attacking a Mormon church does not seem like he
would be motivated by right-wing politics. What
makes you think that?

I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

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I cannot recall the last time there was a right-wing person that killed Democrats just for being Democrats. We have a host of Democrats killing Republicans for being Republicans.

This is willful ignorance. The attacks on the Minnesota lawmaker (Melissa Hortman and her husband) quickly come to mind followed by Paul Pelosi.

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Hortmans, yes.
Pelosi's attacker was known as mentally ill and politically bipolar.

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Everyone is mentally ill. Shooting a guy on stage isn't a sane act.

You and I will disagree then drink beer. (Maybe make some "yo momma" jokes), but killing? That's crazy!

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I think this was the gist of Porteroso's rant a few posts ago. Almost all of these shooters have mental health issues that transcend political affiliation, so just stop with the idiotic crap spewed on tis board about leftists, rightists, etc.

But more to the point: Yo momma so poor, when she goes to the KFC she has to lick other peoples' fingers!

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That is all well and good, but the left is never going to give up their disinformation bogeymen. Not to mention it is disingenuous to suddenly want to stop making up political motives once the left has dominated political violence. This game the left plays constantly - starting some Culture War, breaking a political norm, and then wondering why anyone noticed and projecting onto the right what they are doing.

The reality is that while on one hand yes, anyone that would commit a murder has "mental health" issues; however, that does not mean they are not acting rationally or intentionally.

Try to juxtapose Charlie Kirk's assassin - who clearly while mentally unwell acted rationally - with a Tim Walz appointed person who believed Tim Walz told him to kill a Minnesota politician is the laziest kind of whataboutism and pretty immature "both sides."

What that has to come with is the alignment that the left will stop the political hate speech and discuss ideas rather than demonizing everyone with diverse opinions. But the left is addicted to emotional hyperbole to rile up the privileged white women and beta males.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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The question is why are these young white males so twisted that they shoot up people? These young men are lost souls. What's our nation doing to get at the root cause of these kids killing people?

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Maybe ponder for a few days: you are a middle-class or lower-class white male, and daily you are told:
- You are privileged
- You are racist by nature
- Your masculinity is toxic
- There is structural racism as a headwind to your success

Ask yourself how that might affect the way you view the world.

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Make them depressed, make them powerless, and then move to dispossess them

That's the play book

Michigan church shooter had past relationship with Mormon woman in Utah and heavily used meth, friends reveal
A relationship that went wrong may have set Thomas Jacob Sanford off on a decade-long vendetta against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/michigan-mormon-shooting-thomas-sanford-friends-meth-b2836672.html

The man accused of killing four people and burning down a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints church in Grand Blanc, Michigan on Sunday reportedly held a long-simmering hatred for the faith and was struggling with substance abuse, according to people close to him.
Two friends of Thomas Jacob Sanford, the 40-year-old gunman who was shot and killed by police in the church's parking lot, told the New York Times that Sanford's hatred grew out of a breakup he had with a girlfriend more than 10 years prior.

Sounds like a jilted incel to me.