Mitch Blood Green said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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fubar said:

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If I buy 15 of these suckers, will it help TRUMP get to heaven?

Or do I have to send the $$$ directly to HIM?

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There's no heaven for him.

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Maybe not for you, with such sentiments.

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Do you believe everyone gets to heaven or are some excluded based on how they live their life on earth?

If you believe there are exclusions, is there a guide, a roadmap, that tells us what's required?

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It's called The Bible.

Start there.

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I'll start there.

Will I go to heaven if I bear false witness? I covet my neighbors wife or property? If I steal earned wages from my employees and contractors? If I cheat on my wives? If i idolize wealth over God and ignore the sabbath?

Will I go to heaven?

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Heaven is full of people who did the exact things you described.

Start your reading with the book of John, then Matthew,Mark, Luke, Acts and in to Revelation .

Mix some of your reading with Psalms. A personal favorite of mine is Ecclesiastes .

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Again, we're talking about me. I can still go to heaven as an adulterer?

I am in a 22 year monogamous same sex relationship. Is there heaven for me? If not, why not?

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YOU can't go as an adulterer and homosexual.

I can't go as a selfish, liar, idolater.

We can both go as if we were sinless when we repent of our sins and accept the free gift of grace Christ offers us.

It takes humility and I struggle there. I'm not sure about you regarding humility.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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fubar said:

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If I buy 15 of these suckers, will it help TRUMP get to heaven?

Or do I have to send the $$$ directly to HIM?

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There's no heaven for him.

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Maybe not for you, with such sentiments.

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Do you believe everyone gets to heaven or are some excluded based on how they live their life on earth?

If you believe there are exclusions, is there a guide, a roadmap, that tells us what's required?

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It's called The Bible.

Start there.

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I'll start there.

Will I go to heaven if I bear false witness? I covet my neighbors wife or property? If I steal earned wages from my employees and contractors? If I cheat on my wives? If i idolize wealth over God and ignore the sabbath?

Will I go to heaven?

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LIB, Mr Bears already pointed out that people have done a lot of evil things yet God redeemed them.

What so many people miss, is that Heaven is the abode of God. Among other things, because God is perfect, holy, so it is impossible for us to meet the standard on our merit, no matter how hard we try (and too many of us don't even try that much).

Heaven is a gift from God, like Life and Hope and all we know to be good.

We turn from sin not in hopes that will save us, nor in hopes we will earn a reward. We turn because we love God enough to want to do right and seek His help in becoming whom we should become.

What is in your heart sets your course.

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Does God redeem all? Or does God only make redemption AVAILABLE to all?

Is it fair to say, God makes redemption available to all, BUT the individuals must do the work?

If it is as you suggest that as bad or worse have gotten to heaven, did they get there continuing to do what they've done?

I contend there is no heaven for this dude because this isn't a guy that will humble himself and make amends.

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Heaven is available to all.

Christ has done the work. We CANNOT do enough work to get there.

The prodigal son didn't clean himself up before returning to his father. He humbled himself and told his father he wasn't worthy to be treated as his son but as one of his hired servants. His father cleaned him up ( changed him as He can change us ) gave him his finest robe ( salvation ) put a ring on his finger ( family jewels-most likely a signet ring which served as a personal mark of possession, indicating the owner of valuable articles or property. ) And then they partied celebrating the one who was lost but now is found.

Just as a sick person doesn't get well before going to the doctor, we cannot be seen as sinless until we go in humility to Christ. In our humility we ask Christ to clean us up, to rid us of our sinful desires, habits, selfishness, idolatry.

The two best stories in the Bible, IMHO, are
Luke 15:11-32 Prodigal
Luke 23:39-43 Thief on the cross

In neither case do the characters clean themselves up, or even have the ability to clean themselves up. What they both have in common is 1) humility in admitting that they've done wrong and 2) putting their faith in Christ/father.

It's the same offer made to each of us regardless of our background, regardless of what sin we've committed.

We're all a mess. Christ can clean us all up if we allow him.

A final thought from the story of the prodigal son: there is a portion that states " But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and RAN and embraced him and kissed him." I think that's significant that the father ran to him. He eagerly accepted him back to the family. He embraced him, not dap up, not some side hug, not some bro hug. He EMBRACED him. I think it's a great analogy for the way Christ responds to you and I in our humility.

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

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I don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

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I don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

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Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

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I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

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Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

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or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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fubar said:

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If I buy 15 of these suckers, will it help TRUMP get to heaven?

Or do I have to send the $$$ directly to HIM?

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There's no heaven for him.

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Maybe not for you, with such sentiments.

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Do you believe everyone gets to heaven or are some excluded based on how they live their life on earth?

If you believe there are exclusions, is there a guide, a roadmap, that tells us what's required?

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It's called The Bible.

Start there.

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I'll start there.

Will I go to heaven if I bear false witness? I covet my neighbors wife or property? If I steal earned wages from my employees and contractors? If I cheat on my wives? If i idolize wealth over God and ignore the sabbath?

Will I go to heaven?

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LIB, Mr Bears already pointed out that people have done a lot of evil things yet God redeemed them.

What so many people miss, is that Heaven is the abode of God. Among other things, because God is perfect, holy, so it is impossible for us to meet the standard on our merit, no matter how hard we try (and too many of us don't even try that much).

Heaven is a gift from God, like Life and Hope and all we know to be good.

We turn from sin not in hopes that will save us, nor in hopes we will earn a reward. We turn because we love God enough to want to do right and seek His help in becoming whom we should become.

What is in your heart sets your course.

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Does God redeem all? Or does God only make redemption AVAILABLE to all?

Is it fair to say, God makes redemption available to all, BUT the individuals must do the work?

If it is as you suggest that as bad or worse have gotten to heaven, did they get there continuing to do what they've done?

I contend there is no heaven for this dude because this isn't a guy that will humble himself and make amends.

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The Bible speaks to your first set of questions.

And it's a bad idea and then some to presume you can judge someone else's soul.

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I'm not judging his soul. Beyond my pay grade. I'm judging his acts. The Bible and the teachings are clear that we, as Christian's, all fall short but we can repent. Show me an example where you see repentance.

I've seen addicts try and fail and try again.

Again, apply the standards to me. Do I get to heaven?

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From Chad Bird

The hour had come for Jesus to finish the work the Father sent him to do. As the mob of soldiers showed up to arrest him, Peter (of course it was Peter!) pulled out his sword and struck the servant of the high priest.

Jesus rebuked him: "Put your sword into its sheath; shall I not drink the cup that the Father has given me?" (John 18:11).

All through the Psalms and Prophets we read of this cup. Although sometimes the cup is associated with blessing, it is usually a cup of wrath. A cup filled with judgment, pressed to the lips of guilty nations, poured out because of sin (e.g., Psalm 75:8; Isaiah 51:17; Jeremiah 25:1516; Habakkuk 2:16).

And now Jesus says he will drink it. Why? The innocent Son of God will take into himself what we deserve, for "he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed" (Isa. 53:5).

Jesus will not sip from this cup lightly. He will drain it to the dregs. He will drink down every last drop of wrath, so that none remains for us.

Because he drank that cup, there is now not even a single, tiny drop of condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The cup of judgment has been emptied.

But Christ does more than empty the cup. He fills it again, this time with his own blood. He gives it back to us at his table, saying, "Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins" (Matthew 26:2728).

The cup of Jesus is the cup of forgiveness. The cup of life. The cup of salvation.

So hear his question again, turned now to us: "Shall you not drink the cup that I have given you?"

It is the cup of mercy, offered by nail-scarred hands, overflowing with grace. At his table, in the presence of our enemies, he calls us to drink deeply of him.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

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I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

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Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

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or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

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Part of some master strategy to "have fun" with opponents OR Trump has a huge ego and wants to see himself as first living President on currency? After seeing his MEME coin? "Greatest Ever Coin", "Nothing Ever Like it in history".... Ummm???

Seems like a coin flip there.... Which one seems more realistic to you?

fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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No problem.

It traps me too on occasion.

And with AI disinformation increasingly difficult to discern…..,discovering the truth will become almost impossible.

KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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No problem.

It traps me too on occasion.

And with AI disinformation increasingly difficult to discern…..,discovering the truth will become almost impossible.

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Discussion, come in peace post about fake news.

Just curious. So, something being reported on Reuters, AP, CNN Business and in interviews with Bissent never really happened?

Just trying to determine how you decide something is fake when it is being reported by multiple, even non-US, news agencies? This one for example, there is nothing out there showing it to be a ruse as you state. Even the fact check only is able to confirm White House didn't put it out there. Do you have a timely source?

Seriously, usually I check Reuters, BBC, Forbes for Business. Most "Fact Checks" are done well after the fact or news cycle. I found one that explained what happened, after a search only due to your comments. Would not have looked without your comments and if I did it is well after the initial discussions.

So, where do you check for timely fact checks?

I get your point, as there are numerous laws in effect. The next US President will be Jimmy Carter based on the 2005 law.

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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whiterock said:

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FWIW profits of the US mint go to the federal treasury.

So the MAGAheads get something they treasure and in the process chop away at federal deficits. Win/win.

Only the never trumpets could complain about this (instead of marveling the irony of it).

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Do laws matter to you at all????

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Please explain what law has been broken.

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We cannot have currency with a living person. Trump is still living and a sitting President. You don't see the issue? Don't tell me, US Code is really a guideline, right? Or better yet, the coin is really not currency? I am sure there is some semantic to get around it and justify. It's your thing lately.
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31 U.S. Code 5114 - Engraving and printing currency and security documents | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

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LOL

I say again. What law has been broken?

Read the article about the coin. Check the status. Compare to the tense of the verb in bold.

Think it thru.

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Really? We cannot discuss until it is actually minted and on the streets? That is ridiculous.

Sad, you were a really good objective poster until you got the Donny bug. Now...

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Apparently you've never spent much time in the private sector. It takes time to develop new products. Some things that seem pretty pedestrian can 1-3 years. Lots of decisions that seem pretty simple but in reality any one of them improperly done can inhibit or kill an otherwise great concept. I bet if you google, you can find out what that timeline is for US mint coins (hint hint -1-2 years). So these coins are not in circulation. These coins are not even in production. we know that because if you google some more (hint, hint), you will see articles that note the rendering in question was one of several proposals.....that it has not even been approved. So the answer to my question is, at this moment in time, "no law has been broken." At this point, you should ask yourself whether or not you are being trolled (always possible with Trump) or if there's some other piece of information that might shed light on such things. And when you google some more, you will find that the controlling statute is quite old and there could be any number of other statutes which create loopholes, like the one in 2020 authorizing US Mint to produce commemorative coins to honor special events, like our 250th birthday next year, in July....the same month Trump was shot a year ago. (and that's before we get to any odd little line items which might get nestled into the BBB or upcoming budget to be passed by Congress soon.)

Now, your reaction at this point is predictable, but before you invest too many keystrokes, I'd advise some more googling...."has there ever been a living person on a us coin?" You might be surprised at what AI spits out at you. (hint: it obviously CAN be done.)

Regardless what you think of him, the image of him standing with a bloody ear yelling at the crowd to "fight, fight, fight" was at least borderline iconic, certainly not inconsistent the spirit of American independence. Is it really so outlandish that the design staff at US Mint might include such a rendering among several others being proposed for a new coin to commemorate our 250th independence next year? Is "orange ego" the only explanation here? No chance there's any leaking/spinning going on?


Look at you.
You're building a case for fascism on the edge of one dollar coin.
You are at the edge of Nietzsche's abyss, looking intently downwards.
and it is most definitely looking back at you.
Step away......before you fall in and go full monster.


What seems most concerning to me is that the US mint is planning to launch a commemorative coin for 2026 and the damned thing does not yet have the artwork approved. It can take months to get dies and packaging into the plant, and January is less than 90-days away. No chance this thing is going to be hanging on the peg by NYE. Ya know, if all this work had already been done, US Mint could be marketing these things (regardless whomever might appear on them) as Christmas presents for 2025 AND 2026. So we've already lost one whole season of selling. In the private sector, heads roll over stuff like that.

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FWIW profits of the US mint go to the federal treasury.

So the MAGAheads get something they treasure and in the process chop away at federal deficits. Win/win.

Only the never trumpets could complain about this (instead of marveling the irony of it).

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Do laws matter to you at all????

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Please explain what law has been broken.

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We cannot have currency with a living person. Trump is still living and a sitting President. You don't see the issue? Don't tell me, US Code is really a guideline, right? Or better yet, the coin is really not currency? I am sure there is some semantic to get around it and justify. It's your thing lately.
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31 U.S. Code 5114 - Engraving and printing currency and security documents | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

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LOL

I say again. What law has been broken?

Read the article about the coin. Check the status. Compare to the tense of the verb in bold.

Think it thru.

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Really? We cannot discuss until it is actually minted and on the streets? That is ridiculous.

Sad, you were a really good objective poster until you got the Donny bug. Now...

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Apparently you've never spent much time in the private sector. It takes time to develop new products. Some things that seem pretty pedestrian can 1-3 years. Lots of decisions that seem pretty simple but in reality any one of them improperly done can inhibit or kill an otherwise great concept. I bet if you google, you can find out what that timeline is for US mint coins (hint hint -1-2 years). So these coins are not in circulation. These coins are not even in production. we know that because if you google some more (hint, hint), you will see articles that note the rendering in question was one of several proposals.....that it has not even been approved. So the answer to my question is, at this moment in time, "no law has been broken." At this point, you should ask yourself whether or not you are being trolled (always possible with Trump) or if there's some other piece of information that might shed light on such things. And when you google some more, you will find that the controlling statute is quite old and there could be any number of other statutes which create loopholes, like the one in 2020 authorizing US Mint to produce commemorative coins to honor special events, like our 250th birthday next year, in July....the same month Trump was shot a year ago. (and that's before we get to any odd little line items which might get nestled into the BBB or upcoming budget to be passed by Congress soon.)

Now, your reaction at this point is predictable, but before you invest too many keystrokes, I'd advise some more googling...."has there ever been a living person on a us coin?" You might be surprised at what AI spits out at you. (hint: it obviously CAN be done.)

Regardless what you think of him, the image of him standing with a bloody ear yelling at the crowd to "fight, fight, fight" was at least borderline iconic, certainly not inconsistent the spirit of American independence. Is it really so outlandish that the design staff at US Mint might include such a rendering among several others being proposed for a new coin to commemorate our 250th independence next year? Is "orange ego" the only explanation here?


Look at you.
You're building a case for fascism on the edge of one dollar coin.
You are at the edge of Nietzsche's abyss, looking intently downwards.
and it is most definitely looking back at you.
Step away......before you fall in and go full monster.


What seems most concerning to me is that the US mint is planning to launch a commemorative coin for 2026 and the damned thing does not yet have the artwork approved. It can take months to get dies and packaging into the plant, and January is less than 90-days away. No chance this thing is going to be hanging on the peg by NYE. Ya know, if all this work had already been done, US Mint could be marketing these things (regardless whomever might appear on them) as Christmas presents for 2025 AND 2026. So we've already lost one whole season of selling. In the private sector, heads roll over stuff like that.

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Ok, disregarding 3/4 of your BS, as usual.

But, your last paragraph brings up a good point. Took some research, but the mint has a Congressional approved order. If there is a 26 commemorative, the design as you state is approved years in advance. Next President will be Carter based on a 2005 law.

My post above you asks about a lot of what you bring up. Even if yours is in a more Fascist manner...

FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

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I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

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Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

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or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

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Part of some master strategy to "have fun" with opponents OR Trump has a huge ego and wants to see himself as first living President on currency? After seeing his MEME coin? "Greatest Ever Coin", "Nothing Ever Like it in history".... Ummm???

Seems like a coin flip there.... Which one seems more realistic to you?

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If making MSM and never Trumpers look foolish then yes, it's part of a master strategy. Personally I think it's Trumps ego saying "watch me make the press chase the invisible ball."

maybe javv one with some gold - for the flowing gold mane of the great man -

- el KKM

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

D!

Go Bears!!

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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fubar said:

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If I buy 15 of these suckers, will it help TRUMP get to heaven?

Or do I have to send the $$$ directly to HIM?

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There's no heaven for him.

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Maybe not for you, with such sentiments.

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Do you believe everyone gets to heaven or are some excluded based on how they live their life on earth?

If you believe there are exclusions, is there a guide, a roadmap, that tells us what's required?

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It's called The Bible.

Start there.

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I'll start there.

Will I go to heaven if I bear false witness? I covet my neighbors wife or property? If I steal earned wages from my employees and contractors? If I cheat on my wives? If i idolize wealth over God and ignore the sabbath?

Will I go to heaven?

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Heaven is full of people who did the exact things you described.

Start your reading with the book of John, then Matthew,Mark, Luke, Acts and in to Revelation .

Mix some of your reading with Psalms. A personal favorite of mine is Ecclesiastes .

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Again, we're talking about me. I can still go to heaven as an adulterer?

I am in a 22 year monogamous same sex relationship. Is there heaven for me? If not, why not?

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YOU can't go as an adulterer and homosexual.

I can't go as a selfish, liar, idolater.

We can both go as if we were sinless when we repent of our sins and accept the free gift of grace Christ offers us.

It takes humility and I struggle there. I'm not sure about you regarding humility.

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You and I are no different. I'd bet same upbringing. Same schools, same churches. Some differences but same mostly.

We make the same point. Heaven isn't a given. To get there, we have work to do.

I don't see that the president struggles with humility or kindness or humanity. I believe if given the chance to tap Loomers, he will. I will not. That's all I'm saying.

Ilhan Omar, on the other hand? Call me, Ilhan! (Is it adultery if her head is covered?)

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

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I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

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Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

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or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

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Part of some master strategy to "have fun" with opponents OR Trump has a huge ego and wants to see himself as first living President on currency? After seeing his MEME coin? "Greatest Ever Coin", "Nothing Ever Like it in history".... Ummm???

Seems like a coin flip there.... Which one seems more realistic to you?

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If making MSM and never Trumpers look foolish then yes, it's part of a master strategy. Personally I think it's Trumps ego saying "watch me make the press chase the invisible ball."

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I think it is his ego saying let's see if I can get away with it. If he can, he will do it. If not, it is part of some master strategy. The guy is a reality TV guy at heart, it is all about the show.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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fubar said:

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If I buy 15 of these suckers, will it help TRUMP get to heaven?

Or do I have to send the $$$ directly to HIM?

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There's no heaven for him.

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Maybe not for you, with such sentiments.

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Do you believe everyone gets to heaven or are some excluded based on how they live their life on earth?

If you believe there are exclusions, is there a guide, a roadmap, that tells us what's required?

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It's called The Bible.

Start there.

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I'll start there.

Will I go to heaven if I bear false witness? I covet my neighbors wife or property? If I steal earned wages from my employees and contractors? If I cheat on my wives? If i idolize wealth over God and ignore the sabbath?

Will I go to heaven?

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Heaven is full of people who did the exact things you described.

Start your reading with the book of John, then Matthew,Mark, Luke, Acts and in to Revelation .

Mix some of your reading with Psalms. A personal favorite of mine is Ecclesiastes .

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Again, we're talking about me. I can still go to heaven as an adulterer?

I am in a 22 year monogamous same sex relationship. Is there heaven for me? If not, why not?

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YOU can't go as an adulterer and homosexual.

I can't go as a selfish, liar, idolater.

We can both go as if we were sinless when we repent of our sins and accept the free gift of grace Christ offers us.

It takes humility and I struggle there. I'm not sure about you regarding humility.

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You and I are no different. I'd bet same upbringing. Same schools, same churches. Some differences but same mostly.

We make the same point. Heaven isn't a given. To get there, we have work to do.

I don't see that the president struggles with humility or kindness or humanity. I believe if given the chance to tap Loomers, he will. I will not. That's all I'm saying.

Ilhan Omar, on the other hand? Call me, Ilhan! (Is it adultery if her head is covered?)

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If surrendering in humility is work, then yes we have work to do. I don't see surrendering as work. I see it as giving up.

The way you see Trump is probably similar to the way the family of the thief on the cross saw him., a huge disappointment getting what was due him.

FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

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I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

---

Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

---

or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

---

Part of some master strategy to "have fun" with opponents OR Trump has a huge ego and wants to see himself as first living President on currency? After seeing his MEME coin? "Greatest Ever Coin", "Nothing Ever Like it in history".... Ummm???

Seems like a coin flip there.... Which one seems more realistic to you?

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If making MSM and never Trumpers look foolish then yes, it's part of a master strategy. Personally I think it's Trumps ego saying "watch me make the press chase the invisible ball."

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I think it is his ego saying let's see if I can get away with it. If he can, he will do it. If not, it is part of some master strategy. The guy is a reality TV guy at heart, it is all about the show.

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MR BEARS is correct. Trump trolls his opponents, to force them to make asses of themselves, and they cannot resist the bait. Look at the sombrero memes. They are hilarious, and they most definitely inflame progressive vanities. The angrier his opponents get about them, the worse his opponents look.

"One who doesn't like a good meme will never learn to live a prosperous life."
-Sun Tzu

(wink)

KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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No problem.

It traps me too on occasion.

And with AI disinformation increasingly difficult to discern…..,discovering the truth will become almost impossible.

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arbys - no AI.



- el KKM

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

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I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

---

Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

---

or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

---

Part of some master strategy to "have fun" with opponents OR Trump has a huge ego and wants to see himself as first living President on currency? After seeing his MEME coin? "Greatest Ever Coin", "Nothing Ever Like it in history".... Ummm???

Seems like a coin flip there.... Which one seems more realistic to you?

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If making MSM and never Trumpers look foolish then yes, it's part of a master strategy. Personally I think it's Trumps ego saying "watch me make the press chase the invisible ball."

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I think it is his ego saying let's see if I can get away with it. If he can, he will do it. If not, it is part of some master strategy. The guy is a reality TV guy at heart, it is all about the show.

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MR BEARS is correct. Trump trolls his opponents, to force them to make asses of themselves, and they cannot resist the bait. Look at the sombrero memes. They are hilarious, and they most definitely inflame progressive vanities. The angrier his opponents get about them, the worse his opponents look.

"One who doesn't like a good meme will never learn to live a prosperous life."
-Sun Tzu

(wink)

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Keep telling yourself that, someday you may believe it...

Amusing. FLBear has heard that so many times now, he imagines he can use it just as reasonably.

Oldbear83 said:

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Amusing. FLBear has heard that so many times now, he imagines he can use it just as reasonably.

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I just want him to get the Government back open so we can fly again without getting stuck in Denver.


Government shutdown hits air travel, closing a control tower and causing delays across the country

FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Amusing. FLBear has heard that so many times now, he imagines he can use it just as reasonably.

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I just want him to get the Government back open so we can fly again without getting stuck in Denver.


Government shutdown hits air travel, closing a control tower and causing delays across the country

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Call Senator Chuckie

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

---

definitely looks like the $1 was added

---

I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

---

Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

---

or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

---

Part of some master strategy to "have fun" with opponents OR Trump has a huge ego and wants to see himself as first living President on currency? After seeing his MEME coin? "Greatest Ever Coin", "Nothing Ever Like it in history".... Ummm???

Seems like a coin flip there.... Which one seems more realistic to you?

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If making MSM and never Trumpers look foolish then yes, it's part of a master strategy. Personally I think it's Trumps ego saying "watch me make the press chase the invisible ball."

---

I think it is his ego saying let's see if I can get away with it. If he can, he will do it. If not, it is part of some master strategy. The guy is a reality TV guy at heart, it is all about the show.

---

MR BEARS is correct. Trump trolls his opponents, to force them to make asses of themselves, and they cannot resist the bait. Look at the sombrero memes. They are hilarious, and they most definitely inflame progressive vanities. The angrier his opponents get about them, the worse his opponents look.

"One who doesn't like a good meme will never learn to live a prosperous life."
-Sun Tzu

(wink)

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We have a POTUS who trolls his citizens

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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definitely looks like the $1 was added

---

I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

---

Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

---

or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

---

Part of some master strategy to "have fun" with opponents OR Trump has a huge ego and wants to see himself as first living President on currency? After seeing his MEME coin? "Greatest Ever Coin", "Nothing Ever Like it in history".... Ummm???

Seems like a coin flip there.... Which one seems more realistic to you?

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If making MSM and never Trumpers look foolish then yes, it's part of a master strategy. Personally I think it's Trumps ego saying "watch me make the press chase the invisible ball."

---

I think it is his ego saying let's see if I can get away with it. If he can, he will do it. If not, it is part of some master strategy. The guy is a reality TV guy at heart, it is all about the show.

---

MR BEARS is correct. Trump trolls his opponents, to force them to make asses of themselves, and they cannot resist the bait. Look at the sombrero memes. They are hilarious, and they most definitely inflame progressive vanities. The angrier his opponents get about them, the worse his opponents look.

"One who doesn't like a good meme will never learn to live a prosperous life."
-Sun Tzu

(wink)

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We have a POTUS who trolls his citizens whiny Democrat hypocrites .. and those who vote for them.

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Clarified

Oldbear83 said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

---

definitely looks like the $1 was added

---

I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

---

Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

---

or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

---

Part of some master strategy to "have fun" with opponents OR Trump has a huge ego and wants to see himself as first living President on currency? After seeing his MEME coin? "Greatest Ever Coin", "Nothing Ever Like it in history".... Ummm???

Seems like a coin flip there.... Which one seems more realistic to you?

---

If making MSM and never Trumpers look foolish then yes, it's part of a master strategy. Personally I think it's Trumps ego saying "watch me make the press chase the invisible ball."

---

I think it is his ego saying let's see if I can get away with it. If he can, he will do it. If not, it is part of some master strategy. The guy is a reality TV guy at heart, it is all about the show.

---

MR BEARS is correct. Trump trolls his opponents, to force them to make asses of themselves, and they cannot resist the bait. Look at the sombrero memes. They are hilarious, and they most definitely inflame progressive vanities. The angrier his opponents get about them, the worse his opponents look.

"One who doesn't like a good meme will never learn to live a prosperous life."
-Sun Tzu

(wink)

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We have a POTUS who trolls his citizens whiny Democrat hypocrites .. and those who vote for them.

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Clarified

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No, we have a President that floats laws he wants to break and then says it is trolling when he gets push back or finds out he can't do it. This was not one meme, this was reported at over 10 to 15 need sources, interviews from Treasury and drawings. .keep telling yourself it was a troll, not another push on Executive control.

The trolling is just message control. Makes you wonder what the end game is when you get the Army of Maga pushing the message....

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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fubar said:

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4th and Inches said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

---

definitely looks like the $1 was added

---

I

don't believe for a second that it was added by a news organization.

But this whoie thing is ridiculous enough that I tend to believe someone in the Administration is trolling or trying to deflect from something.

If so, it is well-played.

---

Yeah, all part of some master strategy...

---

or, throwing a tennis ball and watching the dog chase it. Sometimes you pretend to throw it and laugh while the dog runs around the yard on a futile mission. It's fun and we've all done it unless the dog is a quality retriever that actually serves a purpose. I don't think today's MSM is akin to any quality duck dog.

My dogs don't chase tennis balls but I can yell coin, I mean squirrel, and have them running the backyard and accomplishing nothing anytime I want.

---

Part of some master strategy to "have fun" with opponents OR Trump has a huge ego and wants to see himself as first living President on currency? After seeing his MEME coin? "Greatest Ever Coin", "Nothing Ever Like it in history".... Ummm???

Seems like a coin flip there.... Which one seems more realistic to you?

---

If making MSM and never Trumpers look foolish then yes, it's part of a master strategy. Personally I think it's Trumps ego saying "watch me make the press chase the invisible ball."

---

I think it is his ego saying let's see if I can get away with it. If he can, he will do it. If not, it is part of some master strategy. The guy is a reality TV guy at heart, it is all about the show.

---

MR BEARS is correct. Trump trolls his opponents, to force them to make asses of themselves, and they cannot resist the bait. Look at the sombrero memes. They are hilarious, and they most definitely inflame progressive vanities. The angrier his opponents get about them, the worse his opponents look.

"One who doesn't like a good meme will never learn to live a prosperous life."
-Sun Tzu

(wink)

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We have a POTUS who trolls his citizens political opponents.

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Reagan was very good at it, much more genteel than Trump but, then, Democrats were more genteel in those days, too.

FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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No problem.

It traps me too on occasion.

And with AI disinformation increasingly difficult to discern…..,discovering the truth will become almost impossible.

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Discussion, come in peace post about fake news.

Just curious. So, something being reported on Reuters, AP, CNN Business and in interviews with Bissent never really happened?

Just trying to determine how you decide something is fake when it is being reported by multiple, even non-US, news agencies? This one for example, there is nothing out there showing it to be a ruse as you state. Even the fact check only is able to confirm White House didn't put it out there. Do you have a timely source?

Seriously, usually I check Reuters, BBC, Forbes for Business. Most "Fact Checks" are done well after the fact or news cycle. I found one that explained what happened, after a search only due to your comments. Would not have looked without your comments and if I did it is well after the initial discussions.

So, where do you check for timely fact checks?

I get your point, as there are numerous laws in effect. The next US President will be Jimmy Carter based on the 2005 law.

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LOL you're the ruse.

Again, the facts: The coin in question is not being proposed for the Presidential series. It is a commemorative issue for the 250th anniversary of our independence next year. Per multiple sources, it has not been approved (which by clear implication suggests it is part of a number of design contenders). So it is not in circulation, not in production, and may never be in production. We do not even know whether or not it is being proposed as a single coin issue or one of several in a series of coins all focused on the 250th celebration, which will be a one-time run, not an "in the lineup" issue like the Presidential Series. Finally, there is precedent for living individuals being featured on special-run coinage, so the entire premise of your outrage is baseless, from appetite to arsehole. What we do know is that there will be some 250th coins next year and one of them might feature Trump & the "fight, fight, fight" incident as an example of American Exceptionalism, which would be neither illegal nor outlandish. Like it or not, that photo of him standing with a bloody ear and shaking his fist in Butler PA will be remembered for centuries as an iconic piece all-American badassery.

There just isn't a scandal here, no matter how hard his critics may try to create one.
It's merely the latest example of critics of the Orange Man showing more megalomania than the Orange Man hisself.

Seriously, you need to give politics a rest if you actually believe that paranoid delusion you just posted.

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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No problem.

It traps me too on occasion.

And with AI disinformation increasingly difficult to discern…..,discovering the truth will become almost impossible.

---

Discussion, come in peace post about fake news.

Just curious. So, something being reported on Reuters, AP, CNN Business and in interviews with Bissent never really happened?

Just trying to determine how you decide something is fake when it is being reported by multiple, even non-US, news agencies? This one for example, there is nothing out there showing it to be a ruse as you state. Even the fact check only is able to confirm White House didn't put it out there. Do you have a timely source?

Seriously, usually I check Reuters, BBC, Forbes for Business. Most "Fact Checks" are done well after the fact or news cycle. I found one that explained what happened, after a search only due to your comments. Would not have looked without your comments and if I did it is well after the initial discussions.

So, where do you check for timely fact checks?

I get your point, as there are numerous laws in effect. The next US President will be Jimmy Carter based on the 2005 law.

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LOL you're the ruse.

Again, the facts: The coin in question is not being proposed for the Presidential series. It is a commemorative issue for the 250th anniversary of our independence next year. Per multiple sources, it has not been approved (which by clear implication suggests it is part of a number of design contenders). So it is not in circulation, not in production, and may never be in production. We do not even know whether or not it is being proposed as a single coin issue or one of several in a series of coins all focused on the 250th celebration, which will be a one-time run, not an "in the lineup" issue like the Presidential Series. Finally, there is precedent for living individuals being featured on special-run coinage, so the entire premise of your outrage is baseless, from appetite to arsehole. What we do know is that there will be some 250th coins next year and one of them might feature Trump & the "fight, fight, fight" incident as an example of American Exceptionalism, which would be neither illegal nor outlandish. Like it or not, that photo of him standing with a bloody ear and shaking his fist in Butler PA will be remembered for centuries as an iconic piece all-American badassery.

There just isn't a scandal here, no matter how hard his critics may try to create one.
It's merely the latest example of critics of the Orange Man showing more megalomania than the Orange Man hisself.

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Here you go again. It has not been approved because it is illegal. It did not stop him from having a "commemorative design" made and "floated" out to the media. This is not about something that won't happen, it is about a pattern, a dangerous pattern of control. He floats ideas to push Executive power and then has people like you push that it has not been approved and you can't comment until it is. It is a power move.

Just like his troops in the Cities, he will keep pushing his "plenary power" until he finds a way to make it stick, see Steven Miller interview. Same with Bondi yesterday, she never answered the question by Congressional oversight, she hurled an insult back. And you guys cheer... These are all power moves testing the boundaries. At least in his 1st term he had real advisors, trading McMasters and Mattis for Hegswoth is ridiculous. Mnuchin wanted to keep the economy growing, not blow it up like Bessent. Kelly for Miller? Keep cheering.

Watch, it the GOP loses seats in the midterm, you will be saying the election was stolen...

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

---

No problem.

It traps me too on occasion.

And with AI disinformation increasingly difficult to discern…..,discovering the truth will become almost impossible.

---

Discussion, come in peace post about fake news.

Just curious. So, something being reported on Reuters, AP, CNN Business and in interviews with Bissent never really happened?

Just trying to determine how you decide something is fake when it is being reported by multiple, even non-US, news agencies? This one for example, there is nothing out there showing it to be a ruse as you state. Even the fact check only is able to confirm White House didn't put it out there. Do you have a timely source?

Seriously, usually I check Reuters, BBC, Forbes for Business. Most "Fact Checks" are done well after the fact or news cycle. I found one that explained what happened, after a search only due to your comments. Would not have looked without your comments and if I did it is well after the initial discussions.

So, where do you check for timely fact checks?

I get your point, as there are numerous laws in effect. The next US President will be Jimmy Carter based on the 2005 law.

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LOL you're the ruse.

Again, the facts: The coin in question is not being proposed for the Presidential series. It is a commemorative issue for the 250th anniversary of our independence next year. Per multiple sources, it has not been approved (which by clear implication suggests it is part of a number of design contenders). So it is not in circulation, not in production, and may never be in production. We do not even know whether or not it is being proposed as a single coin issue or one of several in a series of coins all focused on the 250th celebration, which will be a one-time run, not an "in the lineup" issue like the Presidential Series. Finally, there is precedent for living individuals being featured on special-run coinage, so the entire premise of your outrage is baseless, from appetite to arsehole. What we do know is that there will be some 250th coins next year and one of them might feature Trump & the "fight, fight, fight" incident as an example of American Exceptionalism, which would be neither illegal nor outlandish. Like it or not, that photo of him standing with a bloody ear and shaking his fist in Butler PA will be remembered for centuries as an iconic piece all-American badassery.

There just isn't a scandal here, no matter how hard his critics may try to create one.
It's merely the latest example of critics of the Orange Man showing more megalomania than the Orange Man hisself.

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Here you go again. It has not been approved because it is illegal. It did not stop him from having a "commemorative design" made and "floated" out to the media. This is not about something that won't happen, it is about a pattern, a dangerous pattern of control. He floats ideas to push Executive power and then has people like you push that it has not been approved and you can't comment until it is. It is a power move.

Just like his troops in the Cities, he will keep pushing his "plenary power" until he finds a way to make it stick, see Steven Miller interview. Same with Bondi yesterday, she never answered the question by Congressional oversight, she hurled an insult back. And you guys cheer... These are all power moves testing the boundaries. At least in his 1st term he had real advisors, trading McMasters and Mattis for Hegswoth is ridiculous. Mnuchin wanted to keep the economy growing, not blow it up like Bessent. Kelly for Miller? Keep cheering.

Watch, it the GOP loses seats in the midterm, you will be saying the election was stolen...

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Bondi yesterday was a new low. We have to all demand that oversight become a give and take. It's painful for the the person in the seat but a necessary evil.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

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No problem.

It traps me too on occasion.

And with AI disinformation increasingly difficult to discern…..,discovering the truth will become almost impossible.

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Discussion, come in peace post about fake news.

Just curious. So, something being reported on Reuters, AP, CNN Business and in interviews with Bissent never really happened?

Just trying to determine how you decide something is fake when it is being reported by multiple, even non-US, news agencies? This one for example, there is nothing out there showing it to be a ruse as you state. Even the fact check only is able to confirm White House didn't put it out there. Do you have a timely source?

Seriously, usually I check Reuters, BBC, Forbes for Business. Most "Fact Checks" are done well after the fact or news cycle. I found one that explained what happened, after a search only due to your comments. Would not have looked without your comments and if I did it is well after the initial discussions.

So, where do you check for timely fact checks?

I get your point, as there are numerous laws in effect. The next US President will be Jimmy Carter based on the 2005 law.

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LOL you're the ruse.

Again, the facts: The coin in question is not being proposed for the Presidential series. It is a commemorative issue for the 250th anniversary of our independence next year. Per multiple sources, it has not been approved (which by clear implication suggests it is part of a number of design contenders). So it is not in circulation, not in production, and may never be in production. We do not even know whether or not it is being proposed as a single coin issue or one of several in a series of coins all focused on the 250th celebration, which will be a one-time run, not an "in the lineup" issue like the Presidential Series. Finally, there is precedent for living individuals being featured on special-run coinage, so the entire premise of your outrage is baseless, from appetite to arsehole. What we do know is that there will be some 250th coins next year and one of them might feature Trump & the "fight, fight, fight" incident as an example of American Exceptionalism, which would be neither illegal nor outlandish. Like it or not, that photo of him standing with a bloody ear and shaking his fist in Butler PA will be remembered for centuries as an iconic piece all-American badassery.

There just isn't a scandal here, no matter how hard his critics may try to create one.
It's merely the latest example of critics of the Orange Man showing more megalomania than the Orange Man hisself.

---

Here you go again. It has not been approved because it is illegal. It did not stop him from having a "commemorative design" made and "floated" out to the media. This is not about something that won't happen, it is about a pattern, a dangerous pattern of control. He floats ideas to push Executive power and then has people like you push that it has not been approved and you can't comment until it is. It is a power move.

Just like his troops in the Cities, he will keep pushing his "plenary power" until he finds a way to make it stick, see Steven Miller interview. Same with Bondi yesterday, she never answered the question by Congressional oversight, she hurled an insult back. And you guys cheer... These are all power moves testing the boundaries. At least in his 1st term he had real advisors, trading McMasters and Mattis for Hegswoth is ridiculous. Mnuchin wanted to keep the economy growing, not blow it up like Bessent. Kelly for Miller? Keep cheering.

Watch, it the GOP loses seats in the midterm, you will be saying the election was stolen...

---

Bondi yesterday was a new low. We have to all demand that oversight become a give and take. It's painful for the the person in the seat but a necessary evil.

---

Congress cannot be the enemy.

FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

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Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

---

No problem.

It traps me too on occasion.

And with AI disinformation increasingly difficult to discern…..,discovering the truth will become almost impossible.

---

Discussion, come in peace post about fake news.

Just curious. So, something being reported on Reuters, AP, CNN Business and in interviews with Bissent never really happened?

Just trying to determine how you decide something is fake when it is being reported by multiple, even non-US, news agencies? This one for example, there is nothing out there showing it to be a ruse as you state. Even the fact check only is able to confirm White House didn't put it out there. Do you have a timely source?

Seriously, usually I check Reuters, BBC, Forbes for Business. Most "Fact Checks" are done well after the fact or news cycle. I found one that explained what happened, after a search only due to your comments. Would not have looked without your comments and if I did it is well after the initial discussions.

So, where do you check for timely fact checks?

I get your point, as there are numerous laws in effect. The next US President will be Jimmy Carter based on the 2005 law.

---

LOL you're the ruse.

Again, the facts: The coin in question is not being proposed for the Presidential series. It is a commemorative issue for the 250th anniversary of our independence next year. Per multiple sources, it has not been approved (which by clear implication suggests it is part of a number of design contenders). So it is not in circulation, not in production, and may never be in production. We do not even know whether or not it is being proposed as a single coin issue or one of several in a series of coins all focused on the 250th celebration, which will be a one-time run, not an "in the lineup" issue like the Presidential Series. Finally, there is precedent for living individuals being featured on special-run coinage, so the entire premise of your outrage is baseless, from appetite to arsehole. What we do know is that there will be some 250th coins next year and one of them might feature Trump & the "fight, fight, fight" incident as an example of American Exceptionalism, which would be neither illegal nor outlandish. Like it or not, that photo of him standing with a bloody ear and shaking his fist in Butler PA will be remembered for centuries as an iconic piece all-American badassery.

There just isn't a scandal here, no matter how hard his critics may try to create one.
It's merely the latest example of critics of the Orange Man showing more megalomania than the Orange Man hisself.

---

Here you go again. It has not been approved because it is illegal. It did not stop him from having a "commemorative design" made and "floated" out to the media. This is not about something that won't happen, it is about a pattern, a dangerous pattern of control. He floats ideas to push Executive power and then has people like you push that it has not been approved and you can't comment until it is. It is a power move.

Just like his troops in the Cities, he will keep pushing his "plenary power" until he finds a way to make it stick, see Steven Miller interview. Same with Bondi yesterday, she never answered the question by Congressional oversight, she hurled an insult back. And you guys cheer... These are all power moves testing the boundaries. At least in his 1st term he had real advisors, trading McMasters and Mattis for Hegswoth is ridiculous. Mnuchin wanted to keep the economy growing, not blow it up like Bessent. Kelly for Miller? Keep cheering.

Watch, it the GOP loses seats in the midterm, you will be saying the election was stolen...

---

Bondi yesterday was a new low. We have to all demand that oversight become a give and take. It's painful for the the person in the seat but a necessary evil.

---

Congress cannot be the enemy.

---

Bork
Thomas
Nazis

and on
and on
and on

If you don't want to be treated like the enemy, don't act like the enemy

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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KaiBear said:

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fubar said:

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The United States Treasurer says that this is a real thing, though the design isn't yet official.

---

Don't get upset about a coin that will never see circulation.

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Yeah, you're probably right. The more I think about it, the more this seems a troll job.

If so, they got me.

---

No problem.

It traps me too on occasion.

And with AI disinformation increasingly difficult to discern…..,discovering the truth will become almost impossible.

---

Discussion, come in peace post about fake news.

Just curious. So, something being reported on Reuters, AP, CNN Business and in interviews with Bissent never really happened?

Just trying to determine how you decide something is fake when it is being reported by multiple, even non-US, news agencies? This one for example, there is nothing out there showing it to be a ruse as you state. Even the fact check only is able to confirm White House didn't put it out there. Do you have a timely source?

Seriously, usually I check Reuters, BBC, Forbes for Business. Most "Fact Checks" are done well after the fact or news cycle. I found one that explained what happened, after a search only due to your comments. Would not have looked without your comments and if I did it is well after the initial discussions.

So, where do you check for timely fact checks?

I get your point, as there are numerous laws in effect. The next US President will be Jimmy Carter based on the 2005 law.

---

LOL you're the ruse.

Again, the facts: The coin in question is not being proposed for the Presidential series. It is a commemorative issue for the 250th anniversary of our independence next year. Per multiple sources, it has not been approved (which by clear implication suggests it is part of a number of design contenders). So it is not in circulation, not in production, and may never be in production. We do not even know whether or not it is being proposed as a single coin issue or one of several in a series of coins all focused on the 250th celebration, which will be a one-time run, not an "in the lineup" issue like the Presidential Series. Finally, there is precedent for living individuals being featured on special-run coinage, so the entire premise of your outrage is baseless, from appetite to arsehole. What we do know is that there will be some 250th coins next year and one of them might feature Trump & the "fight, fight, fight" incident as an example of American Exceptionalism, which would be neither illegal nor outlandish. Like it or not, that photo of him standing with a bloody ear and shaking his fist in Butler PA will be remembered for centuries as an iconic piece all-American badassery.

There just isn't a scandal here, no matter how hard his critics may try to create one.
It's merely the latest example of critics of the Orange Man showing more megalomania than the Orange Man hisself.

---

Here you go again. It has not been approved because it is illegal. It did not stop him from having a "commemorative design" made and "floated" out to the media. This is not about something that won't happen, it is about a pattern, a dangerous pattern of control. He floats ideas to push Executive power and then has people like you push that it has not been approved and you can't comment until it is. It is a power move.

Just like his troops in the Cities, he will keep pushing his "plenary power" until he finds a way to make it stick, see Steven Miller interview. Same with Bondi yesterday, she never answered the question by Congressional oversight, she hurled an insult back. And you guys cheer... These are all power moves testing the boundaries. At least in his 1st term he had real advisors, trading McMasters and Mattis for Hegswoth is ridiculous. Mnuchin wanted to keep the economy growing, not blow it up like Bessent. Kelly for Miller? Keep cheering.

Watch, it the GOP loses seats in the midterm, you will be saying the election was stolen...

---

Bondi yesterday was a new low. We have to all demand that oversight become a give and take. It's painful for the the person in the seat but a necessary evil.

---

Congress cannot be the enemy.

---

Bork
Thomas
Nazis

and on
and on
and on

If you don't want to be treated like the enemy, don't act like the enemy

---

We've had Congressional hearings where we mistreated Nazi's?

I hope the Dems weren't mean to the big booty Eva Braun.