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A PRAYER OF SALVATION: If you have any doubts about whether or not you are going to heaven, YOU COULD HUMBLY PRAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO GOD FROM YOUR HEART IN FAITH:
"Dear Lord Jesus I know that I am a sinner and need you to save me. I believe that You are the Lord and believe in my heart that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead, shedding your blood as the Sacrifice for my sins. I turn to You as the only way of Salvation, I submit my life to you, I submit my will to yours, I place my Faith and Trust in You alone as Lord of my life, Please save me and I thank You for it, in Jesus holy name, Amen."
If you have truly placed your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord, submitting your life to Him, you can know that you are a child of God and on your way to heaven. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing Church and follow in baptism.
What churches are not Bible believing? Or is that code language for something?
No such thing as sin people. No Adam and eve no fall from garden of eden so no need for salvation it is pure mythology.
The Bible, the hundreds of fulfilled prophecies in Christ, His miracles, His death and resurrection and the lives changed because of Him, along with science, proves you wrong . Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords.
The Bible is an assemblage by man to advance a theology. It is nothing more than the derivative words of Christianity. In part it is stories and lore rewritten out of context to give the illusion of fulfilled prophecies to advance a particular religious theology. That's why there are so many sects (versions) of Christianity, versions of what is "scripture" and what should, or should not be included in a sect's version of the Bible.
Completely false. It is absolutely impossible for men all over the world, over 1600 year. Of time, to assemble 66 random books all talking about the same things in fitting together perfectly. It's utter nonsense for you to believe that. The Bible also contains hundreds of prophecies that came true in Christ first coming. It records his miracles. It records his death burial and Resurrection. For you not to believe it is just willful blindness.
Where do you thing the Bible came from - fell out of the sky? The various books or letters to be included and not included has been a topic for centuries by the Church and other Protestant groups. It is a collection of copies of copies of writings that were the subject of debate, eventually ending in a more or less consensus. Those prophesies were out of context reinterpretations of Jewish writings in order to promote a new Christian theology. Something written to promote a religious theology is not historical fact. You know there were stories of other "miracle workers" at the same general time with the same nonexistent evidence, including resurrections, ascensions, or vanishing bodies. For you to believe the ancient religious writings of a primitive mystical people, without empirical objective evidence - stories which are contrary to the known physics of the Universe seems willful ignorance to me.
The Old Testament Books existed LONG before the Church. The Ancent Jews used it and they knew it was the Word of God. False again. The Bible is NOT copies of copies. The English Bible was translated into english from manuscripts maybe once or twice removed from the originals. You really are misinformed. There are no pre Biblical writings containing the Biblical stories. The dead sea scrolls affirm the preservation of Scripture. They were over 1000 years older than the previous oldest text and yet were virtually identical except for spelling differences, ect. You have been seriously lied to.
You're totally and intentionally misrepresenting what I said. The Bible is comprised of OT and NT writings. The OT was canonized over a period from 500 BCE to ~ 200 BCE. The Dead Sea scrolls do not include the NT writings. The Dead Sea scrolls are mostly fragments and pieces of various OT (Jewish) writings. The complete writings of the NT date back to the 4th century CE. Those books are compiled from scribes' copies of copies and fragments of copies. There are no original texts. The stories in the OT are rooted in ancient Canaanite, Mesopotamian, Babylonian exile, and earlier legend, lore and gods. The pointed and most concise explanation is that the written form of your Bible (depending upon your Christian sect) is a compilation of ancient writings, and fragments of writings that were passed down over the years before being canonized either by the Jews or the Church. They are not the same until the printing press came about. They have errors and omissions between the various copies and fragments. Some have clearly been altered by scribes and those with a theological agenda. The bottom line is, whether OT or NT, they are ancient writings of men with a theological agenda, an agenda that is in part built upon legend, lore, within the religious culture and borrowed/adapted from other cultural traditions. The only one that has been seriously lied to is you. The introductory survey courses of the OT and NT at Baylor cover all of this. The writings in the Bible did not fall out of the sky. They were written by scribes and theologians with theological agendas. All of it is fabricated by man. It's a theological book, culturally influenced, written in historical settings. It is NOT a history textbook. For example, scholars agree that Jericho did not fall during the same time the Israelites supposedly came out of wondering in the desert. It's a fabricated theological story for a theological purpose.
I am not totally and intentionally misrepresented what you said. Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about. I never said that the New Testament was included in the Dead Sea scrolls. And I said was that the Dead Sea Scrolls do contain the Old Testament and they were 1,000 years older then the previous oldest manuscripts. And yet when they were compared they were virtually the same. The only difference is for spelling and punctuation differences. So I flat out reject your false claim that they contained entire passages that were completely different and different versions and lies such as that. There are a couple of passages and question in the New Testament but I am not aware of any in the Old Testament that are in question. No the Old Testament has not been altered by scribes. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove you wrong. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain an entire copy of the old testament. They were not copies of copies of copies as you say. I never said they were the original text. I'm very aware of that. They are not merely ancient Runnings of men with a theological agenda that's completely false. They are the very word of God Himself. You can deny the hundreds of prophecies written in the Old Testament but they're there and they're verifiable in the new testament. Only a liberal so called scholar would claim that Jericho didn't fall at the time that the Bible said that it did. The truth of the matter is there has never been a shred of proof or evidence that anything in the Bible is false. Only in the last several decades have many of these things been contested by liberals who don't believe it anyways. Their whole goal is to disprove it so they're going to lie cheat and make up anything they can to try to discredit the Bible when they have no proof whatsoever. You can go ahead and believe the fabrication that it's made up by man, but the prophecies the history The Miracles and the changed lives prove you wrong.
Actually you're wrong, Apologists are constantly trying to reinterpret what archeology uncovers that refutes or calls into question OT claims. And yes, scholars have found that scribes made both minor errors and intentional changes (edits, theological adjustments, and text clarifications) to manuscripts over time, some intentional, some by error. Scribes often updated language, clarified geographical references, or modified texts for theological reasons. Examples include altering phrases to reflect, say, "sons of Israel" instead of "sons of El" in Deuteronomy 32:89. Comparison of ancient manuscripts like the Septuagint, Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Masoretic Text, reveal hundreds of minor variations exist, such as spelling differences, word order changes, and textual clarification. Some changes were made to reconcile apparent contradictions within the text itself. The Samaritan Pentateuch alters the text placing Mount Gerizim as the temple site in lieu of Jerusalem. The early writings of the NT texts are full of intentional and unintentional changes, additions, errors, and omissions (in the hundreds of thousands) between copies.
The Bible is a hodge-podge of writings, collected over thousands of years, of lore borrowed from and rooted in Mesopotamian, Canaanite, and Hellenistic cultural traditions.The writings of sectarian Jews are not aligned with much later Greek writing Christians trying to bootstrap out of context reinterpretations (some with references that don't even exist) to justify their evolving theology. The point is it is patently clear that these are the writings of men with a theological purpose, whether it is OT writings or NT, and the fact that there are errors, exaggerations, and differences (even apparent fabrications) between them and with archeological history, abundantly illustrates it is manmade lore and is not supernatural. If there were a god that is interested in revealing itself, they wouldn't choose confused writings of primitive people to do it. They would simply, openly and boldly reveal themselves.
BTW, there is no empirical objective evidence that supports the theological mystical claims of supernatural beings violating the laws of physics, notwithstanding all the Bible studies, Sunday School classes, and Sunday sermons you were indoctrinated.
