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Heard another bizarre report on the radio on my drive home from work. They reported that apparently his 2015 tax return showed he made more than $5 million. Most of the income was from gambling! How rare and bizarre is that? Many people squander their life savings on gambling. If the report is true, it sounds like this guy may have been pretty good at it.

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The big question is how much did his deductions show he lost. If you itemize, you can deduct losses up to the winnings you report.

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80sBEAR said:

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Heard another bizarre report on the radio on my drive home from work. They reported that apparently his 2015 tax return showed he made more than $5 million. Most of the income was from gambling! How rare and bizarre is that? Many people squander their life savings on gambling. If the report is true, it sounds like this guy may have been pretty good at it.

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The big question is how much did his deductions show he lost. If you itemize, you can deduct losses up to the winnings you report.

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Do you have experience with what deductions you might expect to be shown on a return with $5m in gambling income income?

And ...... Could he be laundering money?

Well neither of these stories will help crush the conspiracy theories....


1. The security guard who was shot was to do interviews last night but then skipped them and no one seems to know where he is.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html


2. The casino/hotel is changing their timeline of events and saying that the security guard was shot and then within 40 seconds the shooting started towards the crowd. Not minutes like the police said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/12/casino-condenses-timeline-start-mass-shooting-in-las-vegas.html

My conclusion: the guy was an arms dealer, which explains both his brother's almost comment and his wealth. Gambling is a tax on stupidity. He didn't make his millions at the poker table. He was in Las Vegas, a town with five mosques and a large Muslim population to try and strike a fast and furious type deal with ISIS terrorists...who were the actual shooters, killed Paddock, and vacated the room +/- assistance from hotel employees.

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My conclusion: the guy was an arms dealer, which explains both his brother's almost comment and his wealth. Gambling is a tax on stupidity. He didn't make his millions at the poker table. He was in Las Vegas, a town with five mosques and a large Muslim population to try and strike a fast and furious type deal with ISIS terrorists...who were the actual shooters, killed Paddock, and vacated the room +/- assistance from hotel employees.

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Katsung 2.0

Applemac_G4 said:

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My conclusion: the guy was an arms dealer, which explains both his brother's almost comment and his wealth. Gambling is a tax on stupidity. He didn't make his millions at the poker table. He was in Las Vegas, a town with five mosques and a large Muslim population to try and strike a fast and furious type deal with ISIS terrorists...who were the actual shooters, killed Paddock, and vacated the room +/- assistance from hotel employees.

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Bear8084 said:

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Applemac_G4 said:

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My conclusion: the guy was an arms dealer, which explains both his brother's almost comment and his wealth. Gambling is a tax on stupidity. He didn't make his millions at the poker table. He was in Las Vegas, a town with five mosques and a large Muslim population to try and strike a fast and furious type deal with ISIS terrorists...who were the actual shooters, killed Paddock, and vacated the room +/- assistance from hotel employees.

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Katsung 2.0

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Not even close.

1. No personal connection. A Katsung story would place his brother's wife's second cousin at the concert, if not on the hotel staff or responding SWAT team.

2. No mention of shadow international groups whose existence has not been proven.

3. No mention of aliens or Bigfoot.

Applemac_G4 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Applemac_G4 said:

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My conclusion: the guy was an arms dealer, which explains both his brother's almost comment and his wealth. Gambling is a tax on stupidity. He didn't make his millions at the poker table. He was in Las Vegas, a town with five mosques and a large Muslim population to try and strike a fast and furious type deal with ISIS terrorists...who were the actual shooters, killed Paddock, and vacated the room +/- assistance from hotel employees.

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Katsung 2.0

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Not even close.

1. No personal connection. A Katsung story would place his brother's wife's second cousin at the concert, if not on the hotel staff or responding SWAT team.

2. No mention of shadow international groups whose existence has not been proven.

3. No mention of aliens or Bigfoot.

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You also forgot:

4: government attempt to kill him

5. It was a cover up to deflect from some other far fetched made up thing.

6. Lots of unrelated things being connected together.

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I was in Vegas when this all happened. Yesterday, I went by the Mandalay Bay in a car, and later in a plane. It was easy to see that there was one, and only one, window broken. Had seen some of the conspiracy junk, so was looking closely for other broken windows, or even windows with bullet holes.

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There was definitely 2 windows broken out in his room. Pics and reports show that.

mandalay bay windows.jpg

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https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/it-was-a-horror-show-mass-shooting-leaves-at-least-59-dead-527-wounded-on-las-vegas-strip/

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^^^ so from his room to the crowd was a 500 yard shot?

That's a long long shot!

Didn't know that

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If you know anything about ballistics and vantage point, it's not a long shot at all.

240 yards from ground level to ground level. 320 feet elevation. Calculate bullet drop at 300 feet. Angular length of shot is about 380-400 yards. An AR-15 has a lethal range almost twice that. An AR-10 much further. You basically 'drop the bullet in' from that range. You are really taking a 240 yard shot with extra drop.

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Keyser Soze said:

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It is not a long shot if there are 20,000 targets

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I've never shot AR15 but picture of it in his room had no scope. Pretty sure the AK47 didn't either but no positive? AR10 seen through motel door was on tripod and scoped so I could see it doing damage

Interesting stuff how one guy could pull this off

Seems a mentally ill guy would slip up and make mistakes before getting to this point?

Idk

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About 8 years ago (I'm 37, so I know I can still do it), I shot 2 mags through an M4 carbine (.223 semi auto, though it was equipped for full auto since it was a military officer's weapon) at a paper plate at 200 yards. Open sights. Put 55/60 rounds through the plate in <25 seconds. That's aiming and pulling the trigger each time and putting it on target at a 91.6% clip without a scope, and doing it very quickly while a fairly frightening yell was happening directly behind me ( simulated stress).

What I'm saying is, it's not as difficult as it seems if you are a good shot. I'm a damn good shot.

Florda_mike said:

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80sBEAR said:

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Heard another bizarre report on the radio on my drive home from work. They reported that apparently his 2015 tax return showed he made more than $5 million. Most of the income was from gambling! How rare and bizarre is that? Many people squander their life savings on gambling. If the report is true, it sounds like this guy may have been pretty good at it.

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The big question is how much did his deductions show he lost. If you itemize, you can deduct losses up to the winnings you report.

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Do you have experience with what deductions you might expect to be shown on a return with $5m in gambling income income?

And ...... Could he be laundering money?

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It's next to impossible to launder money through a casino. You bring in cash, they give you cash back. You bring in a check, they give you a check back.

Do we even know how many rounds were fired?

Enough targets and enough rounds, being a great shot is not required.

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Do we even know how many rounds were fired?

Enough targets and enough rounds, being a great shot is not required.

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That was my point. We're lucky he was using bump stocks and not full auto or straight semi-auto if he was even a remotely decent shot.

Like shooting fish in a barrel. If he was aiming at one person in particular, that would have been a hell of a shot.

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Florda_mike said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It is not a long shot if there are 20,000 targets

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I've never shot AR15 but picture of it in his room had no scope. Pretty sure the AK47 didn't either but no positive? AR10 seen through motel door was on tripod and scoped so I could see it doing damage

Interesting stuff how one guy could pull this off

Seems a mentally ill guy would slip up and make mistakes before getting to this point?

Idk

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About 8 years ago (I'm 37, so I know I can still do it), I shot 2 mags through an M4 carbine (.223 semi auto, though it was equipped for full auto since it was a military officer's weapon) at a paper plate at 200 yards. Open sights. Put 55/60 rounds through the plate in <25 seconds. That's aiming and pulling the trigger each time and putting it on target at a 91.6% clip without a scope, and doing it very quickly while a fairly frightening yell was happening directly behind me ( simulated stress).

What I'm saying is, it's not as difficult as it seems if you are a good shot. I'm a damn good shot.

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Sounds like bs. If you hit a paper plate that many times there would have been a huge hole and you would have no idea how many hit or missed.

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Like shooting fish in a barrel. If he was aiming at one person in particular, that would have been a hell of a shot.

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Point being, shooting fish in a barrel is even easier when you're on semi-auto with that amount of 'fish'. Aim at a group and you're bound to hit. A bump stock is horrifically inaccurate. It rises 5-10 degrees on you after the first few rounds. 5-10 degrees at his vantage point is missing high by HUNDREDS of yards.

Ghostrider said:

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trey3216 said:

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Florda_mike said:

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Keyser Soze said:

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It is not a long shot if there are 20,000 targets

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I've never shot AR15 but picture of it in his room had no scope. Pretty sure the AK47 didn't either but no positive? AR10 seen through motel door was on tripod and scoped so I could see it doing damage

Interesting stuff how one guy could pull this off

Seems a mentally ill guy would slip up and make mistakes before getting to this point?

Idk

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About 8 years ago (I'm 37, so I know I can still do it), I shot 2 mags through an M4 carbine (.223 semi auto, though it was equipped for full auto since it was a military officer's weapon) at a paper plate at 200 yards. Open sights. Put 55/60 rounds through the plate in <25 seconds. That's aiming and pulling the trigger each time and putting it on target at a 91.6% clip without a scope, and doing it very quickly while a fairly frightening yell was happening directly behind me ( simulated stress).

What I'm saying is, it's not as difficult as it seems if you are a good shot. I'm a damn good shot.

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Sounds like bs. If you hit a paper plate that many times there would have been a huge hole and you would have no idea how many hit or missed.

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Not when it's stapled to absorbant foam it's not

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Like shooting fish in a barrel. If he was aiming at one person in particular, that would have been a hell of a shot.

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Actually..... Mythbusters did this experiment and found that shooting fish in a barrel is actually hard because the water causes the bullet to move and any aiming done is worthless once the bullet hits the water.

















While the above post is what happened it is meant in jest as the phrase is still understood as meaning it is easy.

trey3216 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Like shooting fish in a barrel. If he was aiming at one person in particular, that would have been a hell of a shot.

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Point being, shooting fish in a barrel is even easier when you're on semi-auto with that amount of 'fish'. Aim at a group and you're bound to hit. A bump stock is horrifically inaccurate. It rises 5-10 degrees on you after the first few rounds. 5-10 degrees at his vantage point is missing high by HUNDREDS of yards.

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I wonder if this is why it appears some of his bullets were towards the airport and fuel storage tanks there...

Maybe he wasn't trying to hit the tanks but the rise caused him to go from crowd to tanks....

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trey3216 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Like shooting fish in a barrel. If he was aiming at one person in particular, that would have been a hell of a shot.

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Point being, shooting fish in a barrel is even easier when you're on semi-auto with that amount of 'fish'. Aim at a group and you're bound to hit. A bump stock is horrifically inaccurate. It rises 5-10 degrees on you after the first few rounds. 5-10 degrees at his vantage point is missing high by HUNDREDS of yards.

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I wonder if this is why it appears some of his bullets were towards the airport and fuel storage tanks there...

Maybe he wasn't trying to hit the tanks but the rise caused him to go from crowd to tanks....

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I think he may have actually been aiming at the tanks from his vantage. But there were office buildings 5-8 blocks to the east that had windows shot out from bullets that 'rose' from the bump firing.

I've shot both bump and fully auto. Fully auto is much easier to control. Semi-auto is easily controllable rapid fire if you understand the weapon you're firing.

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trey3216 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Like shooting fish in a barrel. If he was aiming at one person in particular, that would have been a hell of a shot.

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Point being, shooting fish in a barrel is even easier when you're on semi-auto with that amount of 'fish'. Aim at a group and you're bound to hit. A bump stock is horrifically inaccurate. It rises 5-10 degrees on you after the first few rounds. 5-10 degrees at his vantage point is missing high by HUNDREDS of yards.

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I wonder if this is why it appears some of his bullets were towards the airport and fuel storage tanks there...

Maybe he wasn't trying to hit the tanks but the rise caused him to go from crowd to tanks....

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There's a video that captures the sound of the first few shots that are single fired. There is a pause then full bump fire. I think he was shooting at the tanks, or something close to them to start out.

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cowboycwr said:

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trey3216 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Like shooting fish in a barrel. If he was aiming at one person in particular, that would have been a hell of a shot.

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Point being, shooting fish in a barrel is even easier when you're on semi-auto with that amount of 'fish'. Aim at a group and you're bound to hit. A bump stock is horrifically inaccurate. It rises 5-10 degrees on you after the first few rounds. 5-10 degrees at his vantage point is missing high by HUNDREDS of yards.

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I wonder if this is why it appears some of his bullets were towards the airport and fuel storage tanks there...

Maybe he wasn't trying to hit the tanks but the rise caused him to go from crowd to tanks....

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There's a video that captures the sound of the first few shots that are single fired. There is a pause then full bump fire. I think he was shooting at the tanks, or something close to them to start out.

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Agreed. I think he shot at the tanks thinking he could blow them up (you can throw a match into jet fuel and it won't ignite) and then have the crowd run towards him, making it even easier.

trey3216 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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trey3216 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Like shooting fish in a barrel. If he was aiming at one person in particular, that would have been a hell of a shot.

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Point being, shooting fish in a barrel is even easier when you're on semi-auto with that amount of 'fish'. Aim at a group and you're bound to hit. A bump stock is horrifically inaccurate. It rises 5-10 degrees on you after the first few rounds. 5-10 degrees at his vantage point is missing high by HUNDREDS of yards.

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I wonder if this is why it appears some of his bullets were towards the airport and fuel storage tanks there...

Maybe he wasn't trying to hit the tanks but the rise caused him to go from crowd to tanks....

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I think he may have actually been aiming at the tanks from his vantage. But there were office buildings 5-8 blocks to the east that had windows shot out from bullets that 'rose' from the bump firing.

I've shot both bump and fully auto. Fully auto is much easier to control. Semi-auto is easily controllable rapid fire if you understand the weapon you're firing.

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True. I haven't read anything about when he shot them or how much or where exactly they are (haven't looked at a map of the area) so I was just thinking out loud

This should raise the conspiracy theory level up a notch:

More from ABC News:

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A laptop computer recovered from the Las Vegas hotel room where Stephen Paddock launched the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information on why he killed and maimed so many people, ABC News has learned.
Paddock is believed to have removed the hard drive before fatally shooting himself, and the missing device has not yet been recovered, sources told ABC News.
Investigators digging into Paddock's background also learned he purchased software designed to erase files from a hard drive, but without the hard drive to examine it is impossible to know if he ever used the software, one source said.

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cowboycwr said:

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I just finding it amazing how quickly these things pop up.

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I find it amazing just how quickly discussion of this entire incident has died down after the dems realized they couldn't use it to push gun control and the public at large refused to accept the "lone deranged shooter - not terrorism" angle.

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I just finding it amazing how quickly these things pop up.

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I find it amazing just how quickly discussion of this entire incident has died down after the dems realized they couldn't use it to push gun control and the public at large refused to accept the "lone deranged shooter - not terrorism" angle.

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Not really. The public at large realize it was a lone, crazy dude because it was. Only tinfoil hat wearers think it is anything else or ISIS ninjas.

And discussion has died down just like any other news story once it is out of it's cycle not because people of buying into ISIS ninja nonsense.

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cowboycwr said:

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I just finding it amazing how quickly these things pop up.

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I find it amazing just how quickly discussion of this entire incident has died down after the dems realized they couldn't use it to push gun control and the public at large refused to accept the "lone deranged shooter - not terrorism" angle.

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Not really. The public at large realize it was a lone, crazy dude because it was. Only tinfoil hat wearers think it is anything else or ISIS ninjas.

And discussion has died down just like any other news story once it is out of it's cycle not because people of buying into ISIS ninja nonsense.

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Uh huh sure you're right

A 64 yo accountant

Oh yeah he's the one for sure

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I just finding it amazing how quickly these things pop up.

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I find it amazing just how quickly discussion of this entire incident has died down after the dems realized they couldn't use it to push gun control and the public at large refused to accept the "lone deranged shooter - not terrorism" angle.

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think it has much more to do with (1) the news cycle and (2) the lack 7 any new info on the story than with politics. By a long shot.

Missing hard drive doesn't amp up the PCT for me, but it looks Florda is hep up again.

this is what happens when no one is reporting on the story, the principals involved are stonewalling (casino)/ going on daytime talk shows (guard going on ellen), authorities look like keystone cops (timeline changes, perp's home burglarized)

and the perp's brother was just arrested

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I just finding it amazing how quickly these things pop up.

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I find it amazing just how quickly discussion of this entire incident has died down after the dems realized they couldn't use it to push gun control

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thank you

There have been lots of things with the situation that have only helped fuel the conspiracy theorists on this.

1. Security guard goes missing for days.

2. When he reappears he only talks to Ellen and no one else

3. Brother is now arrested on child porn charges (claims are it seems to "convenient")

4. Sheriff has stopped press conferences

5. lawsuits/ lawyers can't get access to police files (seems legit to me as the investigations are still ongoing)

6. There was one more I saw last night on FB but can't think of now.

cowboycwr said:

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There have been lots of things with the situation that have only helped fuel the conspiracy theorists on this.

1. Security guard goes missing for days.

2. When he reappears he only talks to Ellen and no one else

3. Brother is now arrested on child porn charges (claims are it seems to "convenient")

4. Sheriff has stopped press conferences

5. lawsuits/ lawyers can't get access to police files (seems legit to me as the investigations are still ongoing)

6. There was one more I saw last night on FB but can't think of now.

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I'd be curious #6

1-4 are odd

Has there ever been a 64 yo accountant, or any accountant, go terrorist or serial killer? Honest question I'm too lazy to research it

Florda_mike said:

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cowboycwr said:

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There have been lots of things with the situation that have only helped fuel the conspiracy theorists on this.

1. Security guard goes missing for days.

2. When he reappears he only talks to Ellen and no one else

3. Brother is now arrested on child porn charges (claims are it seems to "convenient")

4. Sheriff has stopped press conferences

5. lawsuits/ lawyers can't get access to police files (seems legit to me as the investigations are still ongoing)

6. There was one more I saw last night on FB but can't think of now.

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I'd be curious #6

1-4 are odd

Has there ever been a 64 yo accountant, or any accountant, go terrorist or serial killer? Honest question I'm too lazy to research it

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I really can't think of a single mass murderer that was also a senior citizen. The closest comparison I can find is the guy who shot up a PP in Colorado 2 years ago, he was 57 at the time.

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Florda_mike said:

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cowboycwr said:

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There have been lots of things with the situation that have only helped fuel the conspiracy theorists on this.

1. Security guard goes missing for days.

2. When he reappears he only talks to Ellen and no one else

3. Brother is now arrested on child porn charges (claims are it seems to "convenient")

4. Sheriff has stopped press conferences

5. lawsuits/ lawyers can't get access to police files (seems legit to me as the investigations are still ongoing)

6. There was one more I saw last night on FB but can't think of now.

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I'd be curious #6

1-4 are odd

Has there ever been a 64 yo accountant, or any accountant, go terrorist or serial killer? Honest question I'm too lazy to research it

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I really can't think of a single mass murderer that was also a senior citizen. The closest comparison I can find is the guy who shot up a PP in Colorado 2 years ago, he was 57 at the time.

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Yep Jack Bauer, we need to hire Jack Reacher or the like and put them on the case perhaps?

I'm 62 and can't see the motivation for this if you've lived 64 dang years. Why not just fade in sunset and enjoy remaining years

Florda_mike said:

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cowboycwr said:

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There have been lots of things with the situation that have only helped fuel the conspiracy theorists on this.

1. Security guard goes missing for days.

2. When he reappears he only talks to Ellen and no one else

3. Brother is now arrested on child porn charges (claims are it seems to "convenient")

4. Sheriff has stopped press conferences

5. lawsuits/ lawyers can't get access to police files (seems legit to me as the investigations are still ongoing)

6. There was one more I saw last night on FB but can't think of now.

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I'd be curious #6

1-4 are odd

Has there ever been a 64 yo accountant, or any accountant, go terrorist or serial killer? Honest question I'm too lazy to research it

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I'm sure it was a random stupid thing- like the claims that floated around of there being multiple shooters, shooters on the ground, he was dead before the shooting and the actual shooter escaped once the security guard left, etc.

1-4 are odd but I don't think odd things qualify as conspiracies. At least not to me.

1- seems explainable to me. The guy is a security guard. So he probably is not used to attention, interviews, etc. Even a Vegas Security job does not sound like a "career" to me. It isn't like a secret Service, police, etc type job. So the guy goes from being just a regular guy to "hero", doing interviews, phone ringing non stop, police questions, etc literally in the space of a few hours.

I am sure that is overkill. How many journalists went by his hospital? His house? His parents house? etc.

I'm sure all of that was overwhelming. He probably did not have a chance to deal with the fact he got shot and could have died. And now 15 media outlets want an interview.

So he dealt with it by going MIA and hiding out.

All of the above sounds reasonable to me.

Especially since we know the media can be quick to jump on people and incorrectly label them as suspects, guilty, etc and ruin their lives.

For an example look at the security guard who found the bomb at the Atlanta Olympics. Media ruined his life when they tried to solve the case before the FBI and put his picture everywhere when the FBI questioned him about the event.

so now it's being reported the security guard went to mexico after shooting