Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You guys do a great job in stating the obvious. Yeah, the system is broke. EVERYONE agrees on that. Most health insurance that people can afford sucks. The system is set up to eliminate the sick people from the cohort, sort of counterproductive for health care, don't you think? The system wants premiums of the healthy and elimination of the sick, efficiency... The system will not reward prevention or if it does it is marginal. Prescriptions are out of control, even basics like insulin are problematic. We ALL agree. It is one item that there is actual bi-partisan support. Except from those that made fortunes denying people health care.

SO, what is your plan besides pricing millions out of the little bit of health insurance they have? What plan to replace the horrible ACA, which reduced un-insured by 51%? Those of us in Florida, we know this game. We are fighting in homeowners too. But everyone in a Government program, then say it is too expensive and do away with it to save Government spending. Meanwhile, millions don't have insurance in a world that requires insurance.

So, put your great analytical skills that came to conclusion to take away health insurance from millions and give us an alternative. Anything... Or, will we hear how they deserve it because they made bad choices so either pay or die?

Your turn, what you got?

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What alternative have the Democrats proposed other than kickbacks to Big Insurance?

I think it has been posted myriad times. Let the free market manage it and get Obamacare out of it. What you don't seem to realize is the problems with Obamacare is Obamacare - the Democrat regulations that make it designed to fail so they could usher in more dependency and authoritarianism.

Is the Democrat's signature legislation - Obamacare - a complete failure?

Why does it require covid-era subsidies?

What is the average cost / person / year on health care?

Are kickbacks to Big Insurance wanted by Democrats more or less than the average cost / person / year?

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So you have nothing? You have absolutely no alternative for health insurance for the 23 million that use ACA, correct? I have asked multiple times and no programs, your only response was

"are there no free clinics and non-profit hospitals that have to do pro bono"? Sort of sounds like "are their no prisons? Are there no work houses?" (tis the season).

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Part of why I keep asking you the questions you refuse to answer is to help you connect the dots. I will explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

Democrats want $62K / person / year in kickbacks to Big Insurance for Obamacare.

The average person spends $14.5K / year in health care costs.

If you understand math, you will realize there is a ~$38K / year / person gap - why do you think Democrats want to give this extra kickback to Big Insurance?

I have given you the answer - the free market. You just keep ignoring it. Get the government out of health care and what replaces Obamacare will be better. The problem with Obamacare is the terrible Democrat rules - remove those and it will be fine. To try to explain it it you again - the government should not try to fix Obamacare because it is terrible. Abolish it and the free market will take care of it.

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Free market insurance? That is your answer. If the Free Market worked in the first place we wouldn't have the ACA. The reason we had to go to the ACA was there were so many uninsured and they were destroying the system by using ER's OR not getting care at all until they were dire.

You can't keep yelling free market in a Health Insurance dominated market. No one under the top .5% can be self-insured and the way the system is set up those that need it can't get it. There is no free market fix to that. The free-market efficiency will price or eliminate those that need care. Why? Because paying for those that need care is not profitable, insurance companies do not make money paying out.

It is a vicious cycle that led to ACA where the Government made it profitable for the insurance companies to play. ACA was a compromise between the European model and the free market. There is no free-market solution when the road to profit is avoiding paying claims, which is the whole reason people get insurance. This is one instance, like infrastructure, utilities and defense, that the Government has to play a role. It is not a lib or conservative thing, it is a free market capitalism flaw. If you get cancer, that is not profitable for your Health Insurance provider. Health care has become an infrastructure utility as technology and knowledge has made treatments available.

The Founding Fathers could not have foreseen this, if they could I am sure it would be in the Bill of Rights. In 1700's the gap between the how the wealthy were treated and how the poor was treated was much narrower than today. Thomas Jefferson could not conceive of a CAT Scan or MRI. There HAS to be avenues to deal with these issues as tech and AI take off.

We are seeing the same in the Gulf States with homeowners. Space is going to become an huge issue, who owns space?

By the way, I answered your questions several times. You just don't accept the answers.

So, what is your alternative to pricing people out of the market? Or, is that it?

FLBear5630 said:

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You guys do a great job in stating the obvious. Yeah, the system is broke. EVERYONE agrees on that. Most health insurance that people can afford sucks. The system is set up to eliminate the sick people from the cohort, sort of counterproductive for health care, don't you think? The system wants premiums of the healthy and elimination of the sick, efficiency... The system will not reward prevention or if it does it is marginal. Prescriptions are out of control, even basics like insulin are problematic. We ALL agree. It is one item that there is actual bi-partisan support. Except from those that made fortunes denying people health care.

SO, what is your plan besides pricing millions out of the little bit of health insurance they have? What plan to replace the horrible ACA, which reduced un-insured by 51%? Those of us in Florida, we know this game. We are fighting in homeowners too. But everyone in a Government program, then say it is too expensive and do away with it to save Government spending. Meanwhile, millions don't have insurance in a world that requires insurance.

So, put your great analytical skills that came to conclusion to take away health insurance from millions and give us an alternative. Anything... Or, will we hear how they deserve it because they made bad choices so either pay or die?

Your turn, what you got?

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I have already answered that well above.

Federal government needs out of the healthcare business except to have a service that helps to vet insurance plans for what they actually cover.

States, if they are smart, will make sure that doctor and hospital charges are clear so they can be accurately compared. No surprise bill from an "out of network" anesthesiologist that was called in to supplement the OR staff. No separate bills from every participant in a procedure. The divvying of moneys should be worked out in advance between the docs and facility.

Perhaps Congress can pass a law on billing that would pass Constitutional muster. But beyond that, they need to stop meddling where they obviously have no. idea what they are doing. (Part of ACA made sure no one could get a simple "hospital" plan when young. But that is what they are really. offering now for a high premium with very large OOP expenses.)

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FLBear5630 said:

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You guys do a great job in stating the obvious. Yeah, the system is broke. EVERYONE agrees on that. Most health insurance that people can afford sucks. The system is set up to eliminate the sick people from the cohort, sort of counterproductive for health care, don't you think? The system wants premiums of the healthy and elimination of the sick, efficiency... The system will not reward prevention or if it does it is marginal. Prescriptions are out of control, even basics like insulin are problematic. We ALL agree. It is one item that there is actual bi-partisan support. Except from those that made fortunes denying people health care.

SO, what is your plan besides pricing millions out of the little bit of health insurance they have? What plan to replace the horrible ACA, which reduced un-insured by 51%? Those of us in Florida, we know this game. We are fighting in homeowners too. But everyone in a Government program, then say it is too expensive and do away with it to save Government spending. Meanwhile, millions don't have insurance in a world that requires insurance.

So, put your great analytical skills that came to conclusion to take away health insurance from millions and give us an alternative. Anything... Or, will we hear how they deserve it because they made bad choices so either pay or die?

Your turn, what you got?

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I have already answered that well above.

Federal government needs out of the healthcare business except to have a service that helps to vet insurance plans for what they actually cover.

States, if they are smart, will make sure that doctor and hospital charges are clear so they can be accurately compared. No surprise bill from an "out of network" anesthesiologist that was called in to supplement the OR staff. No separate bills from every participant in a procedure. The divvying of moneys should be worked out in advance between the docs and facility.

Perhaps Congress can pass a law on billing that would pass Constitutional muster. But beyond that, they need to stop meddling where they obviously have no. idea what they are doing. (Part of ACA made sure no one could get a simple "hospital" plan when young. But that is what they are really. offering now for a high premium with very large OOP expenses.)

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i have no issues with that. but that is not going to happen. az least not by Dec 31. or in our lifetimes.

we agree on a broke system. we even agree what would be an acceptable system in an ideal world.

what do we do about it in the real world? because the clock is ticking for 23 million peoples coversge.

FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You guys do a great job in stating the obvious. Yeah, the system is broke. EVERYONE agrees on that. Most health insurance that people can afford sucks. The system is set up to eliminate the sick people from the cohort, sort of counterproductive for health care, don't you think? The system wants premiums of the healthy and elimination of the sick, efficiency... The system will not reward prevention or if it does it is marginal. Prescriptions are out of control, even basics like insulin are problematic. We ALL agree. It is one item that there is actual bi-partisan support. Except from those that made fortunes denying people health care.

SO, what is your plan besides pricing millions out of the little bit of health insurance they have? What plan to replace the horrible ACA, which reduced un-insured by 51%? Those of us in Florida, we know this game. We are fighting in homeowners too. But everyone in a Government program, then say it is too expensive and do away with it to save Government spending. Meanwhile, millions don't have insurance in a world that requires insurance.

So, put your great analytical skills that came to conclusion to take away health insurance from millions and give us an alternative. Anything... Or, will we hear how they deserve it because they made bad choices so either pay or die?

Your turn, what you got?

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I have already answered that well above.

Federal government needs out of the healthcare business except to have a service that helps to vet insurance plans for what they actually cover.

States, if they are smart, will make sure that doctor and hospital charges are clear so they can be accurately compared. No surprise bill from an "out of network" anesthesiologist that was called in to supplement the OR staff. No separate bills from every participant in a procedure. The divvying of moneys should be worked out in advance between the docs and facility.

Perhaps Congress can pass a law on billing that would pass Constitutional muster. But beyond that, they need to stop meddling where they obviously have no. idea what they are doing. (Part of ACA made sure no one could get a simple "hospital" plan when young. But that is what they are really. offering now for a high premium with very large OOP expenses.)

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i have no issues with that. but that is not going to happen. az least not by Dec 31. or in our lifetimes.

we agree on a broke system. we even agree what would be an acceptable system in an ideal world.

what do we do about it in the real world? because the clock is ticking for 23 million peoples coversge.

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Eat the elephant one bite at a time.
The cluster we have now is due to trying to fix a too expensive system with a a type that has never worked well anywhere else. Start the weaning process with a timeline to get to federal withdrawal from the system. Patching the pig only furthers the problem to affect even more people even harder down the road.

No solution will be without people having to adjust. They will have to accept higher taxes, or carry more of their medical care costs.

Perhaps individual FSA cards for a limited number of years would be a good start.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You guys do a great job in stating the obvious. Yeah, the system is broke. EVERYONE agrees on that. Most health insurance that people can afford sucks. The system is set up to eliminate the sick people from the cohort, sort of counterproductive for health care, don't you think? The system wants premiums of the healthy and elimination of the sick, efficiency... The system will not reward prevention or if it does it is marginal. Prescriptions are out of control, even basics like insulin are problematic. We ALL agree. It is one item that there is actual bi-partisan support. Except from those that made fortunes denying people health care.

SO, what is your plan besides pricing millions out of the little bit of health insurance they have? What plan to replace the horrible ACA, which reduced un-insured by 51%? Those of us in Florida, we know this game. We are fighting in homeowners too. But everyone in a Government program, then say it is too expensive and do away with it to save Government spending. Meanwhile, millions don't have insurance in a world that requires insurance.

So, put your great analytical skills that came to conclusion to take away health insurance from millions and give us an alternative. Anything... Or, will we hear how they deserve it because they made bad choices so either pay or die?

Your turn, what you got?

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I have already answered that well above.

Federal government needs out of the healthcare business except to have a service that helps to vet insurance plans for what they actually cover.

States, if they are smart, will make sure that doctor and hospital charges are clear so they can be accurately compared. No surprise bill from an "out of network" anesthesiologist that was called in to supplement the OR staff. No separate bills from every participant in a procedure. The divvying of moneys should be worked out in advance between the docs and facility.

Perhaps Congress can pass a law on billing that would pass Constitutional muster. But beyond that, they need to stop meddling where they obviously have no. idea what they are doing. (Part of ACA made sure no one could get a simple "hospital" plan when young. But that is what they are really. offering now for a high premium with very large OOP expenses.)

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i have no issues with that. but that is not going to happen. az least not by Dec 31. or in our lifetimes.

we agree on a broke system. we even agree what would be an acceptable system in an ideal world.

what do we do about it in the real world? because the clock is ticking for 23 million peoples coversge.

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Eat the elephant one bite at a time.
The cluster we have now is due to trying to fix a too expensive system with a a type that has never worked well anywhere else. Start the weaning process with a timeline to get to federal withdrawal from the system. Patching the pig only furthers the problem to affect even more people even harder down the road.

No solution will be without people having to adjust. They will have to accept higher taxes, or carry more of their medical care costs.

Perhaps individual FSA cards for a limited number of years would be a good start.

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You can fix the problem without creating a worse one. Extending to keep people covered until a new program can be rolled out may be a sunk cost, but it keeps people in the system, which is MORE efficient and effective than forcing them to non-profit ERs or the limited free clinics.

One good source of info to have conversations for Government programs, is GAO. All sides pretty much are good with their info as bi-partisan and objective. I have actually been interviewed by them for a project and they were very good and professional, interested in value, productivity and cost. Came away respecting them.

By the way, GAO has a pretty good article on this. I know it is Government, but GAO does a pretty good job of providing objective info, especially if there is substantial Government spending involved. GAO has a better grip on the scale, how much is being spent and where it comes from. We don't always get than with the media. You may be interested to see that some of your ideas are in the article.
What Could Be Done to Reduce Health Care Spending and Improve Health Outcomes? | U.S. GAO

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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You guys do a great job in stating the obvious. Yeah, the system is broke. EVERYONE agrees on that. Most health insurance that people can afford sucks. The system is set up to eliminate the sick people from the cohort, sort of counterproductive for health care, don't you think? The system wants premiums of the healthy and elimination of the sick, efficiency... The system will not reward prevention or if it does it is marginal. Prescriptions are out of control, even basics like insulin are problematic. We ALL agree. It is one item that there is actual bi-partisan support. Except from those that made fortunes denying people health care.

SO, what is your plan besides pricing millions out of the little bit of health insurance they have? What plan to replace the horrible ACA, which reduced un-insured by 51%? Those of us in Florida, we know this game. We are fighting in homeowners too. But everyone in a Government program, then say it is too expensive and do away with it to save Government spending. Meanwhile, millions don't have insurance in a world that requires insurance.

So, put your great analytical skills that came to conclusion to take away health insurance from millions and give us an alternative. Anything... Or, will we hear how they deserve it because they made bad choices so either pay or die?

Your turn, what you got?

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What alternative have the Democrats proposed other than kickbacks to Big Insurance?

I think it has been posted myriad times. Let the free market manage it and get Obamacare out of it. What you don't seem to realize is the problems with Obamacare is Obamacare - the Democrat regulations that make it designed to fail so they could usher in more dependency and authoritarianism.

Is the Democrat's signature legislation - Obamacare - a complete failure?

Why does it require covid-era subsidies?

What is the average cost / person / year on health care?

Are kickbacks to Big Insurance wanted by Democrats more or less than the average cost / person / year?

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So you have nothing? You have absolutely no alternative for health insurance for the 23 million that use ACA, correct? I have asked multiple times and no programs, your only response was

"are there no free clinics and non-profit hospitals that have to do pro bono"? Sort of sounds like "are their no prisons? Are there no work houses?" (tis the season).

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Part of why I keep asking you the questions you refuse to answer is to help you connect the dots. I will explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

Democrats want $62K / person / year in kickbacks to Big Insurance for Obamacare.

The average person spends $14.5K / year in health care costs.

If you understand math, you will realize there is a ~$38K / year / person gap - why do you think Democrats want to give this extra kickback to Big Insurance?

I have given you the answer - the free market. You just keep ignoring it. Get the government out of health care and what replaces Obamacare will be better. The problem with Obamacare is the terrible Democrat rules - remove those and it will be fine. To try to explain it it you again - the government should not try to fix Obamacare because it is terrible. Abolish it and the free market will take care of it.

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Free market insurance? That is your answer. If the Free Market worked in the first place we wouldn't have the ACA. The reason we had to go to the ACA was there were so many uninsured and they were destroying the system by using ER's OR not getting care at all until they were dire.

You can't keep yelling free market in a Health Insurance dominated market. No one under the top .5% can be self-insured and the way the system is set up those that need it can't get it. There is no free market fix to that. The free-market efficiency will price or eliminate those that need care. Why? Because paying for those that need care is not profitable, insurance companies do not make money paying out.

It is a vicious cycle that led to ACA where the Government made it profitable for the insurance companies to play. ACA was a compromise between the European model and the free market. There is no free-market solution when the road to profit is avoiding paying claims, which is the whole reason people get insurance. This is one instance, like infrastructure, utilities and defense, that the Government has to play a role. It is not a lib or conservative thing, it is a free market capitalism flaw. If you get cancer, that is not profitable for your Health Insurance provider. Health care has become an infrastructure utility as technology and knowledge has made treatments available.

The Founding Fathers could not have foreseen this, if they could I am sure it would be in the Bill of Rights. In 1700's the gap between the how the wealthy were treated and how the poor was treated was much narrower than today. Thomas Jefferson could not conceive of a CAT Scan or MRI. There HAS to be avenues to deal with these issues as tech and AI take off.

We are seeing the same in the Gulf States with homeowners. Space is going to become an huge issue, who owns space?

By the way, I answered your questions several times. You just don't accept the answers.

So, what is your alternative to pricing people out of the market? Or, is that it?

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And most of the uninsured were young people that chose not to purchase it because they did not believe they would get sick. One of the failures of Obamacare is it forced them to buy it and treat them in the same risk pools as the chronically ill, so their premiums are astronomical vs. what the free market would offer. Not the mention influx of tens of millions of illegal aliens straining the system and driving up costs.

The is zero reason the government needs to be involved in health care. If we as a society determine it should, fine, but it is not like there is some requirement for it. BTW - read some history: if you think the wealth gap is larger today than in the 1700s you're nuts. We're then nation in the history of the world where the poor people are overweight. In the 1700s they starved to death. You guys need to learn history.

soooooo. where da plan Hammerskin Hank or the rest of you Maga turds? Just ***** and moan about Obama Care,but got nothing else.

Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

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scrap the soetorocare boondoggle - and just use the money to directly fund HSAs for everyone eligible - so you can buy or not buy whatever health care you want then keep the rest in your HSA tax free into perpetuity and use as needed on a person by person basic incl. edible arbys purchases.

- el uncle fred

D!

{ eating salad }

Go Bears!!

FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

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How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

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How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

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You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

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How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

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You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

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Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

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How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

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You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

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Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

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Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

---

How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

---

You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

---

Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

---

Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

---

What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

---

How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

---

You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

---

Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

---

Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

---

Yes, I get it. And doing that is great, all for it.

But, you can't do it as a knee jerk reaction or you will leave too many unable to adjust. Especially, in an election year. The piece you keep overlooking is that in order to implement, you have to stay in power. Leaving 20 million without Health Insurance is not a way to do that.

The system is built for compromise, so you have to pick your fights. This is not one the GOP can win. If the Dems get the house, it will be a **** storm.

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

---

What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

---

How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

---

You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

---

Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

---

Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

---

Yes, I get it. And doing that is great, all for it.

But, you can't do it as a knee jerk reaction or you will leave too many unable to adjust. Especially, in an election year. The piece you keep overlooking is that in order to implement, you have to stay in power. Leaving 20 million without Health Insurance is not a way to do that.

The system is built for compromise, so you have to pick your fights. This is not one the GOP can win. If the Dems get the house, it will be a **** storm.

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

What you continue to miss is that there is nothing to implement. Remove the restrictions and the free market solves overnight. This will not have a huge impact on the elections - mid-terms are always a bloodbath for incumbents. The branding for "Obamacare" for Democrats for 10+ years have even the average low-information voter knowing that Obamacare is a Democrat disaster. They'll just trump up new fake accusations to get the morons to buy into whatever conspiracy they're peddling.

Seriously - just try to explain the math. Take a crack at it?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

---

What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

---

How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

---

You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

---

Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

---

Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

---

Yes, I get it. And doing that is great, all for it.

But, you can't do it as a knee jerk reaction or you will leave too many unable to adjust. Especially, in an election year. The piece you keep overlooking is that in order to implement, you have to stay in power. Leaving 20 million without Health Insurance is not a way to do that.

The system is built for compromise, so you have to pick your fights. This is not one the GOP can win. If the Dems get the house, it will be a **** storm.

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

What you continue to miss is that there is nothing to implement. Remove the restrictions and the free market solves overnight. This will not have a huge impact on the elections - mid-terms are always a bloodbath for incumbents. The branding for "Obamacare" for Democrats for 10+ years have even the average low-information voter knowing that Obamacare is a Democrat disaster. They'll just trump up new fake accusations to get the morons to buy into whatever conspiracy they're peddling.

Seriously - just try to explain the math. Take a crack at it?

---

You really think prices go down? Wow, you are naive.

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

---

Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

---

What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

---

How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

---

You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

---

Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

---

Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

---

Yes, I get it. And doing that is great, all for it.

But, you can't do it as a knee jerk reaction or you will leave too many unable to adjust. Especially, in an election year. The piece you keep overlooking is that in order to implement, you have to stay in power. Leaving 20 million without Health Insurance is not a way to do that.

The system is built for compromise, so you have to pick your fights. This is not one the GOP can win. If the Dems get the house, it will be a **** storm.

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

What you continue to miss is that there is nothing to implement. Remove the restrictions and the free market solves overnight. This will not have a huge impact on the elections - mid-terms are always a bloodbath for incumbents. The branding for "Obamacare" for Democrats for 10+ years have even the average low-information voter knowing that Obamacare is a Democrat disaster. They'll just trump up new fake accusations to get the morons to buy into whatever conspiracy they're peddling.

Seriously - just try to explain the math. Take a crack at it?

---

You really think prices go down? Wow, you are naive.

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

Understanding economics is the opposite of naivety.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

---

Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

---

What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

---

How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

---

You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

---

Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

---

Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

---

Yes, I get it. And doing that is great, all for it.

But, you can't do it as a knee jerk reaction or you will leave too many unable to adjust. Especially, in an election year. The piece you keep overlooking is that in order to implement, you have to stay in power. Leaving 20 million without Health Insurance is not a way to do that.

The system is built for compromise, so you have to pick your fights. This is not one the GOP can win. If the Dems get the house, it will be a **** storm.

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

What you continue to miss is that there is nothing to implement. Remove the restrictions and the free market solves overnight. This will not have a huge impact on the elections - mid-terms are always a bloodbath for incumbents. The branding for "Obamacare" for Democrats for 10+ years have even the average low-information voter knowing that Obamacare is a Democrat disaster. They'll just trump up new fake accusations to get the morons to buy into whatever conspiracy they're peddling.

Seriously - just try to explain the math. Take a crack at it?

---

You really think prices go down? Wow, you are naive.

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

Understanding economics is the opposite of naivety.

---

we agreed on your solution, now how do you implement? Seriously, how do you implement and not cost the election?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

---

FLBear5630 said:

---

william said:

---

Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

---

What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

---

How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

---

You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

---

Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

---

Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

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I have asked this before with a convenient ignore. Do you or MommaHammer get any subsidies for your job, work or both? Oh, both you say as mama is a teacher, so you the good Maga turd is double dipping Govt and Business HC. Alanis says" isn't it ironic"?

you, Hammerskin Hank still crafting that HC plan for Gold Piggy? Waiting on the MAGA/Repubs to publish. where it at HammerHank?

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

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How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

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You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

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Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

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Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

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Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

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Yes, I get it. And doing that is great, all for it.

But, you can't do it as a knee jerk reaction or you will leave too many unable to adjust. Especially, in an election year. The piece you keep overlooking is that in order to implement, you have to stay in power. Leaving 20 million without Health Insurance is not a way to do that.

The system is built for compromise, so you have to pick your fights. This is not one the GOP can win. If the Dems get the house, it will be a **** storm.

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Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

What you continue to miss is that there is nothing to implement. Remove the restrictions and the free market solves overnight. This will not have a huge impact on the elections - mid-terms are always a bloodbath for incumbents. The branding for "Obamacare" for Democrats for 10+ years have even the average low-information voter knowing that Obamacare is a Democrat disaster. They'll just trump up new fake accusations to get the morons to buy into whatever conspiracy they're peddling.

Seriously - just try to explain the math. Take a crack at it?

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You really think prices go down? Wow, you are naive.

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Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

Understanding economics is the opposite of naivety.

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we agreed on your solution, now how do you implement? Seriously, how do you implement and not cost the election?

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I thought I was clear when I posted 1,000 times - you remove Democrat - Obamacare restrictions.

Not sure if English is not your first language, but I am not sure how to explain it more simply. One implements by removing the Democrat-Obamacare restrictions.

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

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How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

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You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

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Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

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Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

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Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

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Yes, I get it. And doing that is great, all for it.

But, you can't do it as a knee jerk reaction or you will leave too many unable to adjust. Especially, in an election year. The piece you keep overlooking is that in order to implement, you have to stay in power. Leaving 20 million without Health Insurance is not a way to do that.

The system is built for compromise, so you have to pick your fights. This is not one the GOP can win. If the Dems get the house, it will be a **** storm.

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Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

What you continue to miss is that there is nothing to implement. Remove the restrictions and the free market solves overnight. This will not have a huge impact on the elections - mid-terms are always a bloodbath for incumbents. The branding for "Obamacare" for Democrats for 10+ years have even the average low-information voter knowing that Obamacare is a Democrat disaster. They'll just trump up new fake accusations to get the morons to buy into whatever conspiracy they're peddling.

Seriously - just try to explain the math. Take a crack at it?

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You really think prices go down? Wow, you are naive.

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Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

Understanding economics is the opposite of naivety.

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we agreed on your solution, now how do you implement? Seriously, how do you implement and not cost the election?

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I thought I was clear when I posted 1,000 times - you remove Democrat - Obamacare restrictions.

Not sure if English is not your first language, but I am not sure how to explain it more simply. One implements by removing the Democrat-Obamacare restrictions.

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that's it? what do u think happens then? this should adorable... tell us?

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you, Hammerskin Hank still crafting that HC plan for Gold Piggy? Waiting on the MAGA/Repubs to publish. where it at HammerHank?

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so, let it be said that young Hammerskin hank is on Govt HC that momma gets being a teacher in-between biscuit with sorghum on em from momma.

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you, Hammerskin Hank still crafting that HC plan for Gold Piggy? Waiting on the MAGA/Repubs to publish. where it at HammerHank?

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so, let it be said that young Hammerskin hank is on Govt HC that momma gets being a teacher in-between biscuit with sorghum on em from momma.

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You are talking to yourself again.

FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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william said:

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Trump Care - another sound sane rational pragmatic prudent well thought economically balanced idea............

B,b,b,but the Mega Lobbyists and the Hired Media warp the gullible addled "minds" too easily these days...........

- uncle fred

D!

PS: WAR

PPS: Go Bears!!!

PPPS. Viva Trumpata!!!!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

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What is Trumpcare and how can it be implemented? Where will it be administered? What is the intermediate plan? What budget year to start?


Details?

---

How many times do we have to tell you in Engrish that the government is the problem and removing it will ensure better outcomes. We keep explaining it to you but we cannot understand it for you.

It's funny how you keep blaming Trump for the failure of OBAMACARE while not understanding or being able to explain why Democrats want to give $62K / year / person kickbacks to Big Insurance while the average cost / person / year is $14.5K.

---

You really are thick. You can't shut it off one day and say private sector handle it the next for 23 million plus people. Are you 12? You think you can just say it is now private? Everyone is just going to shut up the office one day and not come back? Have you EVER had to do anything as an adult?

Even if you go totally private, you are looking at a 5 year transition minimum, or do you let several million people die with no health care.

So, how do you do it? How do you close down a Government program serving 23 million people without the Government being involved? Or are you going to keep pointing at statistics and average costs as if that actually means something when having to implement.

---

Sure you can. Remove all the Democrat regulations. Obamacare is not a government program. It is a private program heavily regulated by the Democrats into inefficiency and failure and a way to pay of its Big Pharma and Big Insurance donors.

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

(Yes. I am a intellectual, logical thinker who uses reason and numbers to find solutions to problems. I am not an emotional hysteric who screams at clouds)

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Yet, you do not answer. Ok, I agree with you. The private sector can do it better (although that is who the Government is paying). So, how do you do it? How do you transition from what we have to the ideal private sector health care system?

I say you extend ACA and phase it in over the next two years. You move to the private system but do not leave people high and dry.

How do you do it in an intellectual, logical way? Is it reasonable to let ACA subsidy expire with people having no other options? how do you stop people's chemo or dialysis without emotion?

ACtually, I have been asking about implementation. How do we do it? You are the one screaming free market at the clouds with no details of what you do on December 31?

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. Let me see if I can try one more time:

1. Obamacare is a private program - it is not run by the government per se (from an operations standpoint); it is not like Traditional Medicare; it is akin to a Medicare Advantage plan

2. Obamacare is highly regulated by Democrats; that is why it is a complete and utter failure

3. Remove the Democrat regulations, and the free market will bring efficiency to the exchanges

I cannot make it any more simple. You may not agree; but I cannot explain an option using a more basic framework.

---

Yes, I get it. And doing that is great, all for it.

But, you can't do it as a knee jerk reaction or you will leave too many unable to adjust. Especially, in an election year. The piece you keep overlooking is that in order to implement, you have to stay in power. Leaving 20 million without Health Insurance is not a way to do that.

The system is built for compromise, so you have to pick your fights. This is not one the GOP can win. If the Dems get the house, it will be a **** storm.

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

What you continue to miss is that there is nothing to implement. Remove the restrictions and the free market solves overnight. This will not have a huge impact on the elections - mid-terms are always a bloodbath for incumbents. The branding for "Obamacare" for Democrats for 10+ years have even the average low-information voter knowing that Obamacare is a Democrat disaster. They'll just trump up new fake accusations to get the morons to buy into whatever conspiracy they're peddling.

Seriously - just try to explain the math. Take a crack at it?

---

You really think prices go down? Wow, you are naive.

---

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

Understanding economics is the opposite of naivety.

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we agreed on your solution, now how do you implement? Seriously, how do you implement and not cost the election?

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I thought I was clear when I posted 1,000 times - you remove Democrat - Obamacare restrictions.

Not sure if English is not your first language, but I am not sure how to explain it more simply. One implements by removing the Democrat-Obamacare restrictions.

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that's it? what do u think happens then? this should adorable... tell us?

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Then health plans can offer more attractive options segmented to different types of members and risk - many will be high deductible with very little cost. They will offer plans focused on young people that just want catastrophic covered, which will be very affordable.

The real challenge with Obamacare is the pre-existing conditions, which really is not insurance but pretends to be. We could have a discussion on whether or not there is a special, Medicare-type carve-out for those.

Once hospitals stop being forced to treat illegal aliens for free then the illegals will buy Obamacare plans targeted at them.

Pretty simple.

I can answer your questions - why do you avoid mine?

Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

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J.R. said:

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you, Hammerskin Hank still crafting that HC plan for Gold Piggy? Waiting on the MAGA/Repubs to publish. where it at HammerHank?

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so, let it be said that young Hammerskin hank is on Govt HC that momma gets being a teacher in-between biscuit with sorghum on em from momma.

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You are talking to yourself again.

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Nah, I pay 100% out of my pocket unlike you and hand and mama's who are just fine to take gov't or corp. subsidies, but scream bloody murder about Obamacare. So, Seriously, what is the the Maga/trumpian HC plan? Gold Piggy has being said he has one for 10yrs. Where it at Piggy? Did you lie again , Piggy....that is what we know.

id like to know the real answer, I assume it is support corporate greed for big insurances

i also wonder why the government pays mcare advantage 20-39% more than mcare

STxBear81 said:

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id like to know the real answer, I assume it is support corporate greed for big insurances

i also wonder why the government pays mcare advantage 20-39% more than mcare

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There is a lot of information content in questions avoided.

Obamacare always has been little more than a kickback to Big Insurance and Big Pharma to keep those funds flowing to the Democrats. That's why he conveniently pretends like he did not see the bolded question asked 100 times.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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STxBear81 said:

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id like to know the real answer, I assume it is support corporate greed for big insurances

i also wonder why the government pays mcare advantage 20-39% more than mcare

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There is a lot of information content in questions avoided.

Obamacare always has been little more than a kickback to Big Insurance and Big Pharma to keep those funds flowing to the Democrats. That's why he conveniently pretends like he did not see the bolded question asked 100 times.

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Same with big Pharma and big insurance companies.insurance the main offenders with their wicked powerful lobby of R's and D's.

Dr. Oz reveals Democrats under Joe Biden signed hundreds of thousands of people up for $0 healthcare plans, many didn’t even know they were signed up

Big Pharma cashed in because they got paid for every one of these plans

Democrats literally laundered billions to Big Pharma… pic.twitter.com/3W27JLLGJk

— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) December 8, 2025

GAO finally came out with a report on ACA. Call me old fashioned, but I trust the GAO people's data. I have worked with them and seen their thoroughness. If they say it is wasteful, good enough for me. They have the data to back it.

Here is the link.

This is going to change the narrative, pretty much killing ACA. There will be no chance of it being extended.

So, what replaces it? Trump has an idea on HRA's (Health Reimbursement Accounts) where money is deposited in an account and the person buys their own health insurance. Can that work? Will prices adjust quick enough?

Thoughts? I have not researched enough to form an opinion besides I am glad to see Trump floating something that can take the place of ACA.

FLBear5630 said:

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GAO finally came out with a report on ACA. Call me old fashioned, but I trust the GAO people's data. I have worked with them and seen their thoroughness. If they say it is wasteful, good enough for me. They have the data to back it.

Here is the link.

This is going to change the narrative, pretty much killing ACA. There will be no chance of it being extended.

So, what replaces it? Trump has an idea on HRA's (Health Reimbursement Accounts) where money is deposited in an account and the person buys their own health insurance. Can that work? Will prices adjust quick enough?

Thoughts? I have not researched enough to form an opinion besides I am glad to see Trump floating something that can take the place of ACA.

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Why do Democrats want to give $62K / year / person in kickbacks to Big Insurance when the average costs are $14.5K / person / year?

Based on your answer last week I'd say to boost corporate pockets and government officials