Tucker's attempt to normalize Nick Fuentes

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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

BaylorFTW said:

Mothra said:

BaylorFTW said:

Mothra said:

BaylorFTW said:

1. Should he only interview people he agrees with?
2. Does Nick not ask some reasonable questions about the US's involvement with the nation of Israel?
3. Do we no longer accept the democratic marketplace of ideas system and opt for a totalitarian system where only certain views are allowed to be expressed and others are suppressed? And if so, who gets to decide which views rightthink and which are beyond the pale?


You seem to be confusing this with a free speech issue. Tucker can interview anyone he likes. And of course, his viewers and sponsors can express their thoughts about who he interviews through their pocketbooks. It's called capitalism. And last I checked, Nick already had a website where he promotes some of his more heinous views. A quick search of google, and you'll find a ton of videos.



As you said, Tucker can interview anyone he likes. That is all that matters.

Response: This is a strawman. Nobody said or suggested Tucker couldn't interview anyone he likes.

Mothra said:


The main critique of Tucker is the softball questions and soft-pedaling of heinous and racist ideas, as well as giving a platform to same. And that is of course a legitimate critique. It's not just that he chooses to interview evil and despicable (and in some case, murderous) people, it's that he fails to challenge them on those ideas and has a tendency to make them appear sympathetic. Or in some instances, he outright praises them (see Putin).


So Tucker is a soft interviewer in your opinion because he wanted to focus on certain things and not others. So what? Tucker asked him about the issues that Tucker was interested in. Tucker asked him:
1. Nick's origin story going from Cruz campaigner to America First.
2. Tucker asked Nick about young people and how they feel about certain issues (marriage, porn, etc.)
3. He asked Nick about his views of America First and the nation of Israel.

Response: I am glad you went on record as saying you take no issue with Tucker interviewing a Holocaust denier, Hitler sympathizer, Stalin lover, minority hater, and women loather. This was the point of my post, to find out where the groypers stand on such issues. Noted.
Mothra said:


Unless it's the evil Ted Cruz of course.

A 25 year old with a podcast isn't the same as a 54 year old seasoned Senator.

Response: Agreed they're not the same. Other areas where they differ? Cruz isn't a white supremacist, woman hating racist.

Mothra said:


As for Nick, I suspect there are a lot of things he and I agree on, just like a lot of people who hold some conservative views. It's the more heinous views on the Holocaust, Hitler, Stalin, minorities and women that are untenable, and the reason I don't listen to a POS like him.

Again, so what? The real reason you feel threatened by Fuentes is because you recognize that he can be persuasive and you fear he will persuade others. Fuentes speaks out of a disenchanted group of young people who have seen their country ravaged thru greed, selfishness and virtue signaling via the boomer generation's influence on society. Fix that issue and his support will dwindle. Ignore it, and his support will grow.

Saw what you will about Tucker but he has a heart for young people as this interview shows. If you watch it again, you will see Tucker trying to breath life into Nick especially with regard to marriage. You seem to want Nick (and those who follow him) destroyed but Tucker wants them redeemed.

See above and below.

Response: An even bigger issue is the sad, disenfranchised young and awkward white males always looking for a bogeyman to blame for their impotence. The answer is not to find the bogeyman. The answer is to point them to the truth. And the truth is, the Jews aren't responsible for their sad lot in life or the reason they can't get laid.

And yes, it does concern me that a racist, white supremacist, hate-monger is gaining such a foothold in the Republican party. That should concern anyone, because we need to look no further than the Democrats to find where that path leads. When you let the fringe elements speak loudest, and give credence to and a platform for their views, you are going to have a very hard time winning future elections. And that is absolutely what will happen to the Republicans if it allows groypers to gain control of the party. Kiss future elections goodbye.

So if we want to lose elections, we should absolutely take your advice, because that's the surest way to assure defeat.

As for Nick, I don't want him destroyed. I want him to repent and see the light. The way to do that is not by tossing him softballs, failing to challenge his extremists views, or giving him a platform to spew garbage. Sorry.

Sorry, I am not a Groyper but we see now why you made this post. Are you a boomer or Gen X because you are showing a contempt for young white males who don't have the same advantages you had? Your generation has no moral high ground if they did not give up their own jobs for racial harmony but rather forced the next generation to give up theirs and pulled up the ladder from them.

Also, if you really care about Nick, you could reach out to him. What is stopping you from doing that?



Lol. Always humorous to me when misguided young folk suffer under the delusion that their generation has it so much harder than the last. Yes, millennial, you've been so oppressed as compared to us Gen Xers.

I'm curious what made you so bitter? Did you lose an IT job to an Indian dude?

It should be a bad thing to want anyone who holds racist, supremacist or racist views to have a say in anything. But we live in interesting times where you guys and the wokesters share much in common.


Gen Xers are absolutely the most spoiled generation in American history.

At least the Boomers had to endure the 70ties...



Poor guy. Did mommy not let you watch Backyardigans as a kid or something? Didn't get the PS2 right when it came out?

Imagine being that much of a whiny ass *****. His great grandad fought in WWII, his GG grandad in WWI, his GGG grandad in the Civil War, his GGGG grandad took a wagon train across the country with his wife and kids to build a cabin by hand while fighting Indians and smallpox ... and Barbearian decides to turn into the biggest whiny ass ***** in human history.
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william said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

jete ad absurdum..............

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Full Lowry.

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The_barBEARian said:

Robert Wilson said:

The only good thing about the anti-Jew movement is
It groups the identity politics imbeciles on the left and right together.

So Sam and Barbearian get to smooch.


Funny coming from the guy who supports Texans signing loyalty oaths to Israel before Texans can receive disaster relief with their own tax dollars.

Most rational people agree you are insane and should consider moving to Israel since they hold your primary loyalty.


I had never even heard of that. You posted an article about it. That was the first I knew it existed. I did not comment on it at all because it was completely irrelevant to our discussion. You are a complete ****ing imbecile.
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Robert Wilson said:

great grandad fought in WWII, his GG grandad in WWI, his GGG grandad in the Civil War, his GGGG grandad took a wagon train across the country with his wife and kids to build a cabin by hand while fighting Indians and smallpox


Dad was drafted for Vietnam but Nixon ended it before he had to enlist.

Grandfather trained pilots during WWII(his cousin got decapitated in the Bataan Death March) (other cousin got his arm blown off in Europe)

The other served in Korea.

GG served under Pershing in WWI.

GGG uncle died of typhus during civil war.

GGGGG served during the revolutionary war in the continental army.
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The_barBEARian said:

Robert Wilson said:

great grandad fought in WWII, his GG grandad in WWI, his GGG grandad in the Civil War, his GGGG grandad took a wagon train across the country with his wife and kids to build a cabin by hand while fighting Indians and smallpox


Dad was drafted for Vietnam but Nixon ended it before he had to enlist.

Grandfather trained pilots during WWII(his cousin got decapitated in the Bataan Death March) (other cousin got his arm blown off in Europe)

The other served in Korea.

GG served under Pershing in WWI.

GGG uncle died of typhus during civil war.

GGGGG served during the revolutionary war in the continental army.


Hell you're as old as I am.

Thanks for making my point though.

Glad those old guys don't have to see what's become of their lineage.
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This is weird.

Who knew this guy was still around.

Let's leave the Jew hatred to Hamas Harry and his ilk.
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Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

You are describing the modern Left: Hamas supporters, cheering the murder of Jews, blaming Israel for every problem in the Middle East(real or imagined), etc.

You are correct about one thing: the modern Left are fascists.
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

BaylorFTW said:

Mothra said:

BaylorFTW said:

Mothra said:

BaylorFTW said:

1. Should he only interview people he agrees with?
2. Does Nick not ask some reasonable questions about the US's involvement with the nation of Israel?
3. Do we no longer accept the democratic marketplace of ideas system and opt for a totalitarian system where only certain views are allowed to be expressed and others are suppressed? And if so, who gets to decide which views rightthink and which are beyond the pale?


You seem to be confusing this with a free speech issue. Tucker can interview anyone he likes. And of course, his viewers and sponsors can express their thoughts about who he interviews through their pocketbooks. It's called capitalism. And last I checked, Nick already had a website where he promotes some of his more heinous views. A quick search of google, and you'll find a ton of videos.



As you said, Tucker can interview anyone he likes. That is all that matters.

Response: This is a strawman. Nobody said or suggested Tucker couldn't interview anyone he likes.

Mothra said:


The main critique of Tucker is the softball questions and soft-pedaling of heinous and racist ideas, as well as giving a platform to same. And that is of course a legitimate critique. It's not just that he chooses to interview evil and despicable (and in some case, murderous) people, it's that he fails to challenge them on those ideas and has a tendency to make them appear sympathetic. Or in some instances, he outright praises them (see Putin).


So Tucker is a soft interviewer in your opinion because he wanted to focus on certain things and not others. So what? Tucker asked him about the issues that Tucker was interested in. Tucker asked him:
1. Nick's origin story going from Cruz campaigner to America First.
2. Tucker asked Nick about young people and how they feel about certain issues (marriage, porn, etc.)
3. He asked Nick about his views of America First and the nation of Israel.

Response: I am glad you went on record as saying you take no issue with Tucker interviewing a Holocaust denier, Hitler sympathizer, Stalin lover, minority hater, and women loather. This was the point of my post, to find out where the groypers stand on such issues. Noted.
Mothra said:


Unless it's the evil Ted Cruz of course.

A 25 year old with a podcast isn't the same as a 54 year old seasoned Senator.

Response: Agreed they're not the same. Other areas where they differ? Cruz isn't a white supremacist, woman hating racist.

Mothra said:


As for Nick, I suspect there are a lot of things he and I agree on, just like a lot of people who hold some conservative views. It's the more heinous views on the Holocaust, Hitler, Stalin, minorities and women that are untenable, and the reason I don't listen to a POS like him.

Again, so what? The real reason you feel threatened by Fuentes is because you recognize that he can be persuasive and you fear he will persuade others. Fuentes speaks out of a disenchanted group of young people who have seen their country ravaged thru greed, selfishness and virtue signaling via the boomer generation's influence on society. Fix that issue and his support will dwindle. Ignore it, and his support will grow.

Saw what you will about Tucker but he has a heart for young people as this interview shows. If you watch it again, you will see Tucker trying to breath life into Nick especially with regard to marriage. You seem to want Nick (and those who follow him) destroyed but Tucker wants them redeemed.

See above and below.

Response: An even bigger issue is the sad, disenfranchised young and awkward white males always looking for a bogeyman to blame for their impotence. The answer is not to find the bogeyman. The answer is to point them to the truth. And the truth is, the Jews aren't responsible for their sad lot in life or the reason they can't get laid.

And yes, it does concern me that a racist, white supremacist, hate-monger is gaining such a foothold in the Republican party. That should concern anyone, because we need to look no further than the Democrats to find where that path leads. When you let the fringe elements speak loudest, and give credence to and a platform for their views, you are going to have a very hard time winning future elections. And that is absolutely what will happen to the Republicans if it allows groypers to gain control of the party. Kiss future elections goodbye.

So if we want to lose elections, we should absolutely take your advice, because that's the surest way to assure defeat.

As for Nick, I don't want him destroyed. I want him to repent and see the light. The way to do that is not by tossing him softballs, failing to challenge his extremists views, or giving him a platform to spew garbage. Sorry.

Sorry, I am not a Groyper but we see now why you made this post. Are you a boomer or Gen X because you are showing a contempt for young white males who don't have the same advantages you had? Your generation has no moral high ground if they did not give up their own jobs for racial harmony but rather forced the next generation to give up theirs and pulled up the ladder from them.

Also, if you really care about Nick, you could reach out to him. What is stopping you from doing that?



Lol. Always humorous to me when misguided young folk suffer under the delusion that their generation has it so much harder than the last. Yes, millennial, you've been so oppressed as compared to us Gen Xers.

I'm curious what made you so bitter? Did you lose an IT job to an Indian dude?

It should be a bad thing to want anyone who holds racist, supremacist or racist views to have a say in anything. But we live in interesting times where you guys and the wokesters share much in common.


Gen Xers are absolutely the most spoiled generation in American history.

At least the Boomers had to endure the 70ties...




What's your excuse?
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Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

If Shapiro knew he could defeat Nick in a debate then he wouldve already done that. Anyone who has watched any of Nicks content can tell that the kid is crazy smart and has some well thought out positions. The zionists are scared to death of him bc they have lost their grip of control over the GOP and anyone under 40 mostly agrees with Nick. Screaming racist and antisemite doesnt work any more. They used that strategy on Pat Buchanan and he was the best candidate the GOP ever had to offer but these are different times. Everyone coming up these days can see that our country is a shell of what it once was and both parties care more about Israel than they do actual Americans.


Here's another one of them. As expected a big Nick Fuentes fan.


I just don't understand the Fuentes apologists
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

I am surprised at this stance, since you seem to hold a lot of the same controversial beliefs as Fuentes.

If Trump is a danger to democracy, Fuentes is a monster in the making. The id to Trump's ego, as it were.
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Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.
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Mothra said:

BaylorFTW said:

1. Should he only interview people he agrees with?
2. Does Nick not ask some reasonable questions about the US's involvement with the nation of Israel?
3. Do we no longer accept the democratic marketplace of ideas system and opt for a totalitarian system where only certain views are allowed to be expressed and others are suppressed? And if so, who gets to decide which views rightthink and which are beyond the pale?


You seem to be confusing this with a free speech issue. Tucker can interview anyone he likes. And of course, his viewers and sponsors can express their thoughts about who he interviews through their pocketbooks. It's called capitalism. And last I checked, Nick already had a website where he promotes some of his more heinous views. A quick search of google, and you'll find a ton of videos.

The main critique of Tucker is the softball questions and soft-pedaling of heinous and racist ideas, as well as giving a platform to same. And that is of course a legitimate critique. It's not just that he chooses to interview evil and despicable (and in some case, murderous) people, it's that he fails to challenge them on those ideas and has a tendency to make them appear sympathetic. Or in some instances, he outright praises them (see Putin).

Unless it's the evil Ted Cruz of course.

As for Nick, I suspect there are a lot of things he and I agree on, just like a lot of people who hold some conservative views. It's the more heinous views on the Holocaust, Hitler, Stalin, minorities and women that are untenable, and the reason I don't listen to a POS like him.


Ted cruz said he was taught those who bless israel will be blessed and seems to believe that and decided policy based in that at least in part
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Robert Wilson said:

The_barBEARian said:

Robert Wilson said:

great grandad fought in WWII, his GG grandad in WWI, his GGG grandad in the Civil War, his GGGG grandad took a wagon train across the country with his wife and kids to build a cabin by hand while fighting Indians and smallpox


Dad was drafted for Vietnam but Nixon ended it before he had to enlist.

Grandfather trained pilots during WWII(his cousin got decapitated in the Bataan Death March) (other cousin got his arm blown off in Europe)

The other served in Korea.

GG served under Pershing in WWI.

GGG uncle died of typhus during civil war.

GGGGG served during the revolutionary war in the continental army.


Hell you're as old as I am.

Thanks for making my point though.

Glad those old guys don't have to see what's become of their lineage.


What a trashy, miserable, sack of **** you and the people who liked this post are.

Whenever I doubt myself on this board, I am reminded the people who have a problem with me are the most foul, loathsome, unscrupulous vermin.

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The_barBEARian said:

Robert Wilson said:

The_barBEARian said:

Robert Wilson said:

great grandad fought in WWII, his GG grandad in WWI, his GGG grandad in the Civil War, his GGGG grandad took a wagon train across the country with his wife and kids to build a cabin by hand while fighting Indians and smallpox


Dad was drafted for Vietnam but Nixon ended it before he had to enlist.

Grandfather trained pilots during WWII(his cousin got decapitated in the Bataan Death March) (other cousin got his arm blown off in Europe)

The other served in Korea.

GG served under Pershing in WWI.

GGG uncle died of typhus during civil war.

GGGGG served during the revolutionary war in the continental army.


Hell you're as old as I am.

Thanks for making my point though.

Glad those old guys don't have to see what's become of their lineage.


What a trashy, miserable, sack of **** you and the people who liked this post are.

Whenever I doubt myself on this board, I am reminded the people who have a problem with me are the most foul, loathsome, unscrupulous vermin.



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Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...
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Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.
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The_barBEARian said:

I am reminded the people who have a problem with me are the most foul, loathsome, unscrupulous vermin.



Haha careful there, bud. When you use that kind of invective for Jews and the rest of us, it starts to lose some of its punch.

If you spent more of your time improving your own life, the Jews and the boomers might not bother you quite so much.
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Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

You might be right.

But at least conservatives are openly fighting over the issue. The Dems are petrified of confronting in any way their anti-jew side, which is far larger and more influential.
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Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

At one time I would have agreed with you on Tucker. And then in the last two years, after reading his bible for the first time, Tucker apparently found some flawed version of the Catholic God, and then began guzzling the conspiracy theory kool-aid like gin at a sorority party. It's what has led to his praise of despots, murderers, and racists - like Putin, the Iranian president, Candace Owens, and now, Fuentes - and then excoriating people like Ted Cruz, a fellow conservative who supports Israel.

I'd suggest there is a happy medium between the Mark Levins of the world, and complete anti-semitic radicalism that blames Jews for most of the world's ills, and believes everything is a conspiracy. The fact you are willing to give such hateful and racist rhetoric a pass says all one needs to know about you on these issues. You may be slightly more polished than the other anti-semites who've made an appearance on this thread, but the fact is you subscribe a flawed replacement theology that contradicts the plain language of scripture, and have also swallowed the kool-aid blaming the Jews for the world's ills.

The kind of hateful rhetoric that Fuentes spouts has no place in the conservative party if we desire to win anymore elections. But maybe like Fuentes, you're just interested in burning it down. You've also yet to learn that your enemy's enemy is not necessarily your friend.

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Sam Lowry said:

Fascist movements always end up scapegoating Jews. The new GOP will be no exception.

Bull****

Trump is loved by the Israeli people like no other president in US history.
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Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.
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muddybrazos said:



Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.

I am curious which of our wars you blame on Israel?
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Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:



Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.

I am curious which of our wars you blame on Israel?

Well if you ever read the clean break memo then you would know the plan for the new realm.




Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East.

All of the authors of the plan were in the Bush admin. This was their wishlist plan for the middle east and only Iran is left of the list.
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Tim Pool weighs in:

The Rise Of Nick Fuentes, The GOP Is FAILING Young Men So They Embrace Nick

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muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:



Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.

I am curious which of our wars you blame on Israel?

Well if you ever read the clean break memo then you would know the plan for the new realm.




Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East.

All of the authors of the plan were in the Bush admin. This was their wishlist plan for the middle east and only Iran is left of the list.


Ok, so the Bush neocons who liked Israel allegedly wanted to take down 7 countries. That's your position? And so you blame all of those wars on Israel?
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Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:



Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.

I am curious which of our wars you blame on Israel?

Well if you ever read the clean break memo then you would know the plan for the new realm.




Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East.

All of the authors of the plan were in the Bush admin. This was their wishlist plan for the middle east and only Iran is left of the list.


Ok, so the Bush neocons who liked Israel allegedly wanted to take down 7 countries. That's your position? And so you blame all of those wars on Israel?

"A Clean Break" report (formally titled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm) is a 1996 policy document prepared by a study group led by Richard Perle for the incoming government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

They literally wrote the plan for Israel and the writers were dual citizens who later served in the Bush admin.
They got America to carry out their plans using fake WMD intelligence to help dupe the American people into c fighting their wars. The results have been disastorous for Europe and America. Muslims & Africans have flooded Europe, the mideast has been destabilized and America has spent of $8 trillion and counting on this. Knocking over Libya created a failed state there that serves as a launching point of Africans right to Europe.


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muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:



Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.

I am curious which of our wars you blame on Israel?

Well if you ever read the clean break memo then you would know the plan for the new realm.




Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East.

All of the authors of the plan were in the Bush admin. This was their wishlist plan for the middle east and only Iran is left of the list.


Ok, so the Bush neocons who liked Israel allegedly wanted to take down 7 countries. That's your position? And so you blame all of those wars on Israel?

"A Clean Break" report (formally titled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm) is a 1996 policy document prepared by a study group led by Richard Perle for the incoming government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

They literally wrote the plan for Israel and the writers were dual citizens who later served in the Bush admin.
They got America to carry out their plans using fake WMD intelligence to help dupe the American people into c fighting their wars. The results have been disastorous for Europe and America. Muslims & Africans have flooded Europe, the mideast has been destabilized and America has spent of $8 trillion and counting on this. Knocking over Libya created a failed state there that serves as a launching point of Africans right to Europe.

Ok, so again, to confirm, you believe that Jews Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith were the architects of the Iraq War, and wrote a memo for Netanyahu, which you believe means President Bush and his admin had no agency, and succumbed to their plans for same. And that means you believe Israel was responsible for Iraq.

Did I summarize correctly?

What other wars, besides Iraq, do you blame the Jews for?
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muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:



Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.

I am curious which of our wars you blame on Israel?

Well if you ever read the clean break memo then you would know the plan for the new realm.




Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East.

All of the authors of the plan were in the Bush admin. This was their wishlist plan for the middle east and only Iran is left of the list.


Ok, so the Bush neocons who liked Israel allegedly wanted to take down 7 countries. That's your position? And so you blame all of those wars on Israel?

"A Clean Break" report (formally titled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm) is a 1996 policy document prepared by a study group led by Richard Perle for the incoming government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

They literally wrote the plan for Israel and the writers were dual citizens who later served in the Bush admin.
They got America to carry out their plans using fake WMD intelligence to help dupe the American people into c fighting their wars. The results have been disastorous for Europe and America. Muslims & Africans have flooded Europe, the mideast has been destabilized and America has spent of $8 trillion and counting on this. Knocking over Libya created a failed state there that serves as a launching point of Africans right to Europe.


This is too complicated for their feeble Boomer minds to process... they'll stare blankly at the screen for a minute and default to calling you an anti-semite or a jew hater.
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Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:



Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.

I am curious which of our wars you blame on Israel?

Well if you ever read the clean break memo then you would know the plan for the new realm.




Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East.

All of the authors of the plan were in the Bush admin. This was their wishlist plan for the middle east and only Iran is left of the list.


Ok, so the Bush neocons who liked Israel allegedly wanted to take down 7 countries. That's your position? And so you blame all of those wars on Israel?

"A Clean Break" report (formally titled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm) is a 1996 policy document prepared by a study group led by Richard Perle for the incoming government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

They literally wrote the plan for Israel and the writers were dual citizens who later served in the Bush admin.
They got America to carry out their plans using fake WMD intelligence to help dupe the American people into c fighting their wars. The results have been disastorous for Europe and America. Muslims & Africans have flooded Europe, the mideast has been destabilized and America has spent of $8 trillion and counting on this. Knocking over Libya created a failed state there that serves as a launching point of Africans right to Europe.

Ok, so again, to confirm, you believe that Jews Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith were the architects of the Iraq War, and wrote a memo for Netanyahu, which you believe means President Bush and his admin had no agency, and succumbed to their plans for same. And that means you believe Israel was responsible for Iraq.

Did I summarize correctly?

What other wars, besides Iraq, do you blame the Jews for?


Iraq is more than enough you dumb *******.
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Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Tucker is a facilitator, not a gatekeeper.

You'll understand what he does better if you start there.

And then the last of the groypers and Tucker apologists makes an appearance.

Batting 1.000 on this thread.

Tucker only seems to ask the difficult questions of his "fellow" conservatives. If you're a racist or despot, you apparently get a pass.

But he's just a "facilitator" and all...


I am a Tucker apologist. He has done more to turn the political right into a movement and inform people than almost any other media figure. He's certainly done more than clowns like Hannity, Shapiro, Levin, and the two successors to Rush Limbaugh. Yeah he gets a pass.

I oppose this: Foreign Lobby Watch

I oppose Israel using AIPAC to circumvent FARA.

I oppose giving foreign nations aid when we have a debt to GDP ratio of 130%.

And yes, I believe that the Church is the Israel of God and the Mosaic covenant is done (Hebrews 8:13).

Apparently this makes me an anti-Semitic Hitler figure or something.

I am not a groyper. And while I disagree with some - possibly even much - of what Fuentes says, the two of us have this in common...after living our adult lives under the political orthodoxy enforced by the political establishment we are both well past caring what those who represent it care about what we think.

Ben Shapiro in WSJ"

The American right is at a crossroads. A group of white supremacists known as the "groypers" is maliciously attempting to subvert the conservative movement. The main agent of their normalization within the GOP is Tucker Carlson, who is now being aided and celebrated by one of the key organizations of the traditional right, the Heritage Foundation.
Nick Fuentes, the groypers' 27-year-old leader, urges his followers to "kill, rape and die" for him. He proclaims that a lot of women want to be raped, praises Jim Crow and insists that "perfidious" Jews should be expelled from America or be killed. He claims the MAGA movement is a "scam."
Mr. Carlson, who interviewed Mr. Fuentes last week, has recently reinvented himself as a conspiracy peddler and apologist for America's enemies. He's defended Vladimir Putin, massaged Iran's dictatorship, praised Venezuela's, and minimized Hamas's atrocities. He claims Christian Zionists have a "brain virus" and calls Jews who care about Oct. 7 "un-American."
Mr. Carlson's most common tactic is ideological laundering: He hosts guests with ugly ideologies, soft-pedals their views and launders them into mainstream respectability. He claims he's "just asking questions," and that's precisely what he did last week: Mr. Carlson ignored Mr. Fuentes's most toxic views, providing him a signal boost while making him palatable for a broader audience. Never mind that doing so betrayed Mr. Carlson's friends. Mr. Fuentes spent years attempting to destroy Charlie Kirk, assailed his grieving widow and says that Vice President JD Vance's interracial marriage ought to invalidate him for higher office.
Mr. Carlson didn't ask about any of thatto do so would have undermined his mission, which is to legitimize Mr. Fuentes and co-opt his audience.

The Republican Party, like the Democratic Party before it, is at risk of being eaten alive by fringe actors. To allow it is both morally unjustifiable and politically obtuse. Americans reject this garbage. If Republicans cower before Nazi apologists and their popularizers, the GOP will loseand deserve to.
Our answer must be no. No to the groypers and their publicists like Mr. Carlson. No to demoralization. No to bigotry and antimeritocratic nonsense. No to anti-Americanism. This is our country, our party and our conservative movement. We can't stand by while it is fractured by those who betray our most fundamental principles.
If we lose the right, then we will surely lose to the leftand either way, we will lose our country.
Ben Shapiro
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:



Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.

I am curious which of our wars you blame on Israel?

Well if you ever read the clean break memo then you would know the plan for the new realm.




Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East.

All of the authors of the plan were in the Bush admin. This was their wishlist plan for the middle east and only Iran is left of the list.


Ok, so the Bush neocons who liked Israel allegedly wanted to take down 7 countries. That's your position? And so you blame all of those wars on Israel?

"A Clean Break" report (formally titled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm) is a 1996 policy document prepared by a study group led by Richard Perle for the incoming government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

They literally wrote the plan for Israel and the writers were dual citizens who later served in the Bush admin.
They got America to carry out their plans using fake WMD intelligence to help dupe the American people into c fighting their wars. The results have been disastorous for Europe and America. Muslims & Africans have flooded Europe, the mideast has been destabilized and America has spent of $8 trillion and counting on this. Knocking over Libya created a failed state there that serves as a launching point of Africans right to Europe.

Ok, so again, to confirm, you believe that Jews Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith were the architects of the Iraq War, and wrote a memo for Netanyahu, which you believe means President Bush and his admin had no agency, and succumbed to their plans for same. And that means you believe Israel was responsible for Iraq.

Did I summarize correctly?

What other wars, besides Iraq, do you blame the Jews for?


Iraq is more than enough you dumb *******.

Enough for what? You and your ilk have claimed the Jews are responsible for ALL of the wars, not just Iraq, or is that no longer your assertion?

As for Iraq, I am still trying to understand how Israel was responsible, and this idea the Bush admin had no agency. Please advise.
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The_barBEARian said:

Robert Wilson said:

The_barBEARian said:

Robert Wilson said:

great grandad fought in WWII, his GG grandad in WWI, his GGG grandad in the Civil War, his GGGG grandad took a wagon train across the country with his wife and kids to build a cabin by hand while fighting Indians and smallpox


Dad was drafted for Vietnam but Nixon ended it before he had to enlist.

Grandfather trained pilots during WWII(his cousin got decapitated in the Bataan Death March) (other cousin got his arm blown off in Europe)

The other served in Korea.

GG served under Pershing in WWI.

GGG uncle died of typhus during civil war.

GGGGG served during the revolutionary war in the continental army.


Hell you're as old as I am.

Thanks for making my point though.

Glad those old guys don't have to see what's become of their lineage.


What a trashy, miserable, sack of **** you and the people who liked this post are.

Whenever I doubt myself on this board, I am reminded the people who have a problem with me are the most foul, loathsome, unscrupulous vermin.



BarB doing his thing!


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The_barBEARian said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:



Even the mainstream average conservative zoomers are done with the ziocons GOP.

I am curious which of our wars you blame on Israel?

Well if you ever read the clean break memo then you would know the plan for the new realm.




Neocon Middle East Policy: The Clean Break Plan Damage Assessment
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm is a definitive Middle East Policy strategy authored and implemented by operatives in the highest levels of the US government. There is just one problem. The plan was a strategy for Israel, not the United States of America. Neocon Middle East Policy reviews strategies and consequences of the "Clean Break" plan authored by Richard Perle, David Wurmser, and Douglas Feith in 1996. It analyzes the core assumptions of the policy, cost of tactics that have already been implemented and discusses the likelihood others will be executed in the future. Neocon Middle East Policy then turns to the most difficult questions of all, "Can a policy crafted for a foreign government and presented to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu serve as a blueprint for US regional policy? At what cost in credibility, blood, treasure and American integrity? At what cost to Israel?" Neocon Middle East Policy is a must-read for anyone concerned about the convergence of US and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East.

All of the authors of the plan were in the Bush admin. This was their wishlist plan for the middle east and only Iran is left of the list.


Ok, so the Bush neocons who liked Israel allegedly wanted to take down 7 countries. That's your position? And so you blame all of those wars on Israel?

"A Clean Break" report (formally titled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm) is a 1996 policy document prepared by a study group led by Richard Perle for the incoming government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

They literally wrote the plan for Israel and the writers were dual citizens who later served in the Bush admin.
They got America to carry out their plans using fake WMD intelligence to help dupe the American people into c fighting their wars. The results have been disastorous for Europe and America. Muslims & Africans have flooded Europe, the mideast has been destabilized and America has spent of $8 trillion and counting on this. Knocking over Libya created a failed state there that serves as a launching point of Africans right to Europe.


This is too complicated for their feeble Boomer minds to process... they'll stare blankly at the screen for a minute and default to calling you an anti-semite or a jew hater.

You really need to get some new schtick.
 
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