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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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BREAKING: Tucker Carlson dismissed a Turning Point USA poll showing most young conservatives see Radical Islam as America’s top threat, claiming it isn’t true.

He added that he doesn’t know anyone killed by Radical Islam in the U.S. over the past 24 years. pic.twitter.com/amq8QRaAo1

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) December 26, 2025

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Tucker Carlson: They hate Russia because it’s going to be the only majority-white Christian country in the world soon. That’s why they hate it. Let’s stop lying about it.
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— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) December 27, 2025

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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since we're now inventing meaningless hypotheticals just for effect, I think you would make a great running mate for Fuentes. Doubt you'd win, but it would set new standards of excellence for creative storytelling..

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Nick Fuentes says he's going to campaign against Vivek Ramaswamy in 2026

"This anchor baby cannot become governor of Ohio—do not give this anchor baby your vote." pic.twitter.com/k4fqMBYTsv

— 𝐆𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐝𝐮𝐬 (@ImperiumFirst) December 24, 2025

This guy is a pos grifter. He could not hold Vivek's jockstrap.

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Maybe. So is Vivek, people forget he's a pharma grifter

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Vivek was a successful businessman. He's also smart as ***** He would humiliate Nick in any sort of debate format.

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Ya, he successfully did a pharma pump n dump scam. He's never created anything of value. He desrves to lose the gov race and any other repub going against him should win instead.

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Uh huh. Let's compare Vivek's bio to yours. He accomplished more by his mid 20s than you likely ever will. It would be a waste of my time to list off a bunch of things you don't even recognize much less understand.

Anyone whining about "the jews" and/or "the boomers" and saying Vivek "just did a pump n dump scam" has their head so far up their ass that the jaws of life won't remove it.

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https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853

Maybe you need familarize yourself with Vivek a little more bc he absolutely did a pump and dump and it harmed a lot of investors but he made a lot of money. I dont know why youre attacking me and you dont know the first thing about me and my career.

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Ok. Now go do Trump. Take a highly successful, incredibly active and generative person, and cherry pick something out of their past to spin into a story about how terrible they are. It's easy to do, but typically people who are out kicking ass on their own aren't the ones who engage in that sort of thing.

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Since you are on here acting holier than thou and casting stones you must be extremely successful Robert. How many Fortune500 companies have you sold? How many billions have you made? How many buildings on Baylor's campus are named after you?

P.S. Any ill gotten money made by working with Israel to scam the American tax payer doesn't count

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Seriously dude. Your hyper focus on all things jew is just sick.

You do realize that Christ was a Jew, right? Damn, some of you people. Remind me not to stand next to any of you guys.

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Americans can't criticize the corrupt foreign country of Israel... got it.

And we've gone over this. I'm an atheist so the Christ being a jew line isnt going to manipulate nor paralyze me from calling out evil.

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Respectfully an atheist lacks the moral compass to be the judge of what is evil

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Christians have no monopoly on moral judgment. We often get it wrong, while atheists often get it right.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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since we're now inventing meaningless hypotheticals just for effect, I think you would make a great running mate for Fuentes. Doubt you'd win, but it would set new standards of excellence for creative storytelling..

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I will grant that Fuentes is an untalented, unqualified grifter with no chance of ever winning an election. Then again, so is the current occupant of the White House.

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Nick Fuentes says he's going to campaign against Vivek Ramaswamy in 2026

"This anchor baby cannot become governor of Ohio—do not give this anchor baby your vote." pic.twitter.com/k4fqMBYTsv

— 𝐆𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐝𝐮𝐬 (@ImperiumFirst) December 24, 2025

This guy is a pos grifter. He could not hold Vivek's jockstrap.

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Maybe. So is Vivek, people forget he's a pharma grifter

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Vivek was a successful businessman. He's also smart as ***** He would humiliate Nick in any sort of debate format.

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Ya, he successfully did a pharma pump n dump scam. He's never created anything of value. He desrves to lose the gov race and any other repub going against him should win instead.

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Uh huh. Let's compare Vivek's bio to yours. He accomplished more by his mid 20s than you likely ever will. It would be a waste of my time to list off a bunch of things you don't even recognize much less understand.

Anyone whining about "the jews" and/or "the boomers" and saying Vivek "just did a pump n dump scam" has their head so far up their ass that the jaws of life won't remove it.

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https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853

Maybe you need familarize yourself with Vivek a little more bc he absolutely did a pump and dump and it harmed a lot of investors but he made a lot of money. I dont know why youre attacking me and you dont know the first thing about me and my career.

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Ok. Now go do Trump. Take a highly successful, incredibly active and generative person, and cherry pick something out of their past to spin into a story about how terrible they are. It's easy to do, but typically people who are out kicking ass on their own aren't the ones who engage in that sort of thing.

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Since you are on here acting holier than thou and casting stones you must be extremely successful Robert. How many Fortune500 companies have you sold? How many billions have you made? How many buildings on Baylor's campus are named after you?

P.S. Any ill gotten money made by working with Israel to scam the American tax payer doesn't count

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Seriously dude. Your hyper focus on all things jew is just sick.

You do realize that Christ was a Jew, right? Damn, some of you people. Remind me not to stand next to any of you guys.

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Americans can't criticize the corrupt foreign country of Israel... got it.

And we've gone over this. I'm an atheist so the Christ being a jew line isnt going to manipulate nor paralyze me from calling out evil.

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Respectfully an atheist lacks the moral compass to be the judge of what is evil

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Christians have no monopoly on moral judgment. We often get it wrong, while atheists often get it right.

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Nick Fuentes says he's going to campaign against Vivek Ramaswamy in 2026

"This anchor baby cannot become governor of Ohio—do not give this anchor baby your vote." pic.twitter.com/k4fqMBYTsv

— 𝐆𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐚𝐥𝐝𝐮𝐬 (@ImperiumFirst) December 24, 2025

This guy is a pos grifter. He could not hold Vivek's jockstrap.

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Maybe. So is Vivek, people forget he's a pharma grifter

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Vivek was a successful businessman. He's also smart as ***** He would humiliate Nick in any sort of debate format.

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Ya, he successfully did a pharma pump n dump scam. He's never created anything of value. He desrves to lose the gov race and any other repub going against him should win instead.

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Uh huh. Let's compare Vivek's bio to yours. He accomplished more by his mid 20s than you likely ever will. It would be a waste of my time to list off a bunch of things you don't even recognize much less understand.

Anyone whining about "the jews" and/or "the boomers" and saying Vivek "just did a pump n dump scam" has their head so far up their ass that the jaws of life won't remove it.

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https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853

Maybe you need familarize yourself with Vivek a little more bc he absolutely did a pump and dump and it harmed a lot of investors but he made a lot of money. I dont know why youre attacking me and you dont know the first thing about me and my career.

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Ok. Now go do Trump. Take a highly successful, incredibly active and generative person, and cherry pick something out of their past to spin into a story about how terrible they are. It's easy to do, but typically people who are out kicking ass on their own aren't the ones who engage in that sort of thing.

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Since you are on here acting holier than thou and casting stones you must be extremely successful Robert. How many Fortune500 companies have you sold? How many billions have you made? How many buildings on Baylor's campus are named after you?

P.S. Any ill gotten money made by working with Israel to scam the American tax payer doesn't count

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Seriously dude. Your hyper focus on all things jew is just sick.

You do realize that Christ was a Jew, right? Damn, some of you people. Remind me not to stand next to any of you guys.

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Americans can't criticize the corrupt foreign country of Israel... got it.

And we've gone over this. I'm an atheist so the Christ being a jew line isnt going to manipulate nor paralyze me from calling out evil.

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Respectfully an atheist lacks the moral compass to be the judge of what is evil

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Tucker Carlson: They hate Russia because it’s going to be the only majority-white Christian country in the world soon. That’s why they hate it. Let’s stop lying about it.
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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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Indeed I'm not worried about the groypers who you are correct - have little actual power thank god. The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

However, the mindset that Trump is no better than Biden is just mind boggling to me, and seems to seriously lack any semblance of perspective. How quickly we forget…

Once again, for you perfect is the enemy of good.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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Indeed I'm not worried about the groypers who you are correct - have little actual power thank god. The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

However, the mindset that Trump is no better than Biden is just mind boggling to me, and seems to seriously lack any semblance of perspective. How quickly we forget…

Once again, for you perfect is the enemy of good.

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If Trump is slightly better than Biden, what difference does it make? They both suck. I know what I want for our nation, you settle for sub-mediocrity

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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Indeed I'm not worried about the groypers who you are correct - have little actual power thank god. The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

However, the mindset that Trump is no better than Biden is just mind boggling to me, and seems to seriously lack any semblance of perspective. How quickly we forget…

Once again, for you perfect is the enemy of good.

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If Trump is slightly better than Biden, what difference does it make? They both suck. I know what I want for our nation, you settle for sub-mediocrity

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Slightly? Again, how quickly we forget. Biden was an unmitigated disaster, and an enemy of every conservative cause. Any conservative who doesn't think Trump - despite his flaws - is significant better than Biden is likely not conservative.

Higher standards…lol. The inability to be pragmatic is what gets leaders like Biden elected. Your higher standards don't amount to much.

Another Sam Lowry starter kit - holding out for the perfect candidate . Again, Fuentes isn't running.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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Indeed I'm not worried about the groypers who you are correct - have little actual power thank god. The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

However, the mindset that Trump is no better than Biden is just mind boggling to me, and seems to seriously lack any semblance of perspective. How quickly we forget…

Once again, for you perfect is the enemy of good.

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If Trump is slightly better than Biden, what difference does it make? They both suck. I know what I want for our nation, you settle for sub-mediocrity

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Biden was an unmitigated disaster, and an enemy of every conservative cause. Any conservative who doesn't think Trump - despite his flaws - is significant better than Biden is likely not conservative.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

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The ideology and infrastructure are already being cemented. Most here will accept it in time. Hopefully you're the exception, but I suspect your pragmatism will win out eventually.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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Indeed I'm not worried about the groypers who you are correct - have little actual power thank god. The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

However, the mindset that Trump is no better than Biden is just mind boggling to me, and seems to seriously lack any semblance of perspective. How quickly we forget…

Once again, for you perfect is the enemy of good.

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If Trump is slightly better than Biden, what difference does it make? They both suck. I know what I want for our nation, you settle for sub-mediocrity

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Slightly? Again, how quickly we forget. Biden was an unmitigated disaster, and an enemy of every conservative cause. Any conservative who doesn't think Trump - despite his flaws - is significant better than Biden is likely not conservative.

Higher standards…lol. The inability to be pragmatic is what gets leaders like Biden elected. Your higher standards don't amount to much.

Another Sam Lowry starter kit - holding out for the perfect candidate . Again, Fuentes isn't running.

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If you keep electing ****ty GOP candidates because you're scared of the bogeyman democrat, then we'll keep getting ****ty GOP policy because they know they can run on the "at least I'm not Joe Biden" campaign message.

I prefer to look more forward than that. I'll sacrifice some elections if it means we get a pure GOP. Cracks are already beginning to form

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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Indeed I'm not worried about the groypers who you are correct - have little actual power thank god. The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

However, the mindset that Trump is no better than Biden is just mind boggling to me, and seems to seriously lack any semblance of perspective. How quickly we forget…

Once again, for you perfect is the enemy of good.

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If Trump is slightly better than Biden, what difference does it make? They both suck. I know what I want for our nation, you settle for sub-mediocrity

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Slightly? Again, how quickly we forget. Biden was an unmitigated disaster, and an enemy of every conservative cause. Any conservative who doesn't think Trump - despite his flaws - is significant better than Biden is likely not conservative.

Higher standards…lol. The inability to be pragmatic is what gets leaders like Biden elected. Your higher standards don't amount to much.

Another Sam Lowry starter kit - holding out for the perfect candidate . Again, Fuentes isn't running.

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If you keep electing ****ty GOP candidates because you're scared of the bogeyman democrat, then we'll keep getting ****ty GOP policy because they know they can run on the "at least I'm not Joe Biden" campaign message.

I prefer to look more forward than that. I'll sacrifice some elections if it means we get a pure GOP. Cracks are already beginning to form

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Nah you'll just do as Sam does - keep sitting out elections because you're not really a conservative.

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I couldn't guess what kind of predictions you've attributed to me in your mind, but my record is pretty good.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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Indeed I'm not worried about the groypers who you are correct - have little actual power thank god. The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

However, the mindset that Trump is no better than Biden is just mind boggling to me, and seems to seriously lack any semblance of perspective. How quickly we forget…

Once again, for you perfect is the enemy of good.

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If Trump is slightly better than Biden, what difference does it make? They both suck. I know what I want for our nation, you settle for sub-mediocrity

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Slightly? Again, how quickly we forget. Biden was an unmitigated disaster, and an enemy of every conservative cause. Any conservative who doesn't think Trump - despite his flaws - is significant better than Biden is likely not conservative.

Higher standards…lol. The inability to be pragmatic is what gets leaders like Biden elected. Your higher standards don't amount to much.

Another Sam Lowry starter kit - holding out for the perfect candidate . Again, Fuentes isn't running.

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If you keep electing ****ty GOP candidates because you're scared of the bogeyman democrat, then we'll keep getting ****ty GOP policy because they know they can run on the "at least I'm not Joe Biden" campaign message.

I prefer to look more forward than that. I'll sacrifice some elections if it means we get a pure GOP. Cracks are already beginning to form

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Nah you'll just do as Sam does - keep sitting out elections because you're not really a conservative.

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You wouldn't know conservatism if it hit you in the face

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I couldn't guess what kind of predictions you've attributed to me in your mind, but my record is pretty good.

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Your record sucks. You were right about Iraq. It's been a decade now since one of your chicken little predictions came true.

This will be yet another.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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since we're now inventing meaningless hypotheticals just for effect, I think you would make a great running mate for Fuentes. Doubt you'd win, but it would set new standards of excellence for creative storytelling..

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I will grant that Fuentes is an untalented, unqualified grifter with no chance of ever winning an election. Then again, so is the current occupant of the White House.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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since we're now inventing meaningless hypotheticals just for effect, I think you would make a great running mate for Fuentes. Doubt you'd win, but it would set new standards of excellence for creative storytelling..

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I will grant that Fuentes is an untalented, unqualified grifter with no chance of ever winning an election. Then again, so is the current occupant of the White House.

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LOL current occupant of the White House has won 2 national elections.

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Getting back on topic, let's consider a hypothetical. It's 2036, and Nick Fuentes is running for president against AOC or whichever woke Democrat is popular at the time. Who gets your vote, or do you sit it out? Is Fuentes where your pragmatism draws the line?

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Don't know. I am not familiar with Fuentes's positions. If they were anywhere close to Trump's, I suppose I would prefer the white racist to the Hispanic racist.

What I do know is if I was an actual conservative, supporting conservative positions makes far more sense than sitting it out or voting for the antithesis of my positions, which is why your position on Trump is so utterly ridiculous.

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I assume you mean you're not familiar with Fuentes' policy positions. We know he admires Hitler and thinks Jews have no place in Western civilization. But he seems to tick all the right conservative boxes as far as immigration, abortion, gay marriage, etc. So is it all about policy, or does it matter that you'd be voting for an actual Nazi?

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I'd describe Fuentes as a white supremacist. Not so sure I'd go so far as describing him as a Nazi, though he apparently definitely likes Hitler. Again, I am not familiar with his policy positions.

But if it came down to Fuentes and AOC, as I said, if he held conservative policy positions, I'd absolutely vote for him over AOC any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Any actual conservative would.

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Heck ya!!! Based!!!

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Sam has difficulty with such pragmatism.

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There's just something about voting for a white supremacist that doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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While true, there's just something about voting for a race-baiting, socialist, anti-Christian values, supporter of transitioning and mutilating kids that just doesn't sit right. It would almost be like, I don't know, "normalizing" it.

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That's why I'd sit that one out. To play devil's advocate, though, I would point out that primaries are driven by the ideological base. If the Republican base, especially young voters, are trending toward extreme nativism, that's a big potential problem. You've acknowledged it yourself. At some point you're going to need someone like Tucker to get ahead of it and start normalizing it for a broader audience if you're going to have any chance against the evildoers in the future. Maybe Tucker has sensed that moment. If so, he's doing you a favor in a way, wouldn't you agree?

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I think that is what Tucker has already been doing and it was the main reason he had Nick on. Tucker is working with Vance to get him elected. Nicks audience is who Vance needs as potential voters so Tucker can do like a limited hangout to be kinda like Nick in some ways but not as abrasive.

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Good observation. Nick has a growing base which he uses to leverage against the current Republican Party. The GOP is becoming more reliant on Millennials/Gen Z so the goal is to get them to adjust their ideology to fit an American First agenda. They can't win without us going forward

I would sit out in 2026 in order to spook the republicans. Trump has had a lame duck presidency and we need more America first candidates, less neo-cons like Ted Cruz

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This is a good illustration.

These brain dead jackasses slinging their own version of identity politics on the alt right threaten to be to Republicans what the trans movement was to Democrats. If you cater to grifting nitwits like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you will make your national candidates unelectable, because many of the sane people you might have attracted will realize that you are in bed with a bunch of ******s that you are afraid to anger.

Just have the fight now, and let the groypers become Bernie Bros. They're mostly a bunch of whiny incels anyway, so they probably won't breed.

Anyone who cares more about race or gender or any identity politics bull**** than they care about merit should be marginalized immediately. You can recognize them on both the left and the right by their whiny ass victimhood narratives and often their general loser status in the actual world.

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I think it's going to take some very one-sided beatdowns in national elections to kill it off, unfortunately. I am hopeful that will do the trick. Dems seem to be moderating big time, after the ass kicking they took in the last election.

Just don't know how making the Republicans the party of white incels is going to help it win national elections.

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This is what we are dealing with

If these are my choices in 2028 I’ll be voting for the guy with the White American family pic.twitter.com/MqqjhrpnHB

— Greg The Groyper (@GroyperGreg) December 25, 2025

Just let the whiny victims go be democrats.

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Incredible. Literally will not vote for conservatism because of the color of the skins the individual married.

And this is what Nick Funtes apparently believes. Remarkable that anyone thinks pandering to these people will win Republicans more votes.

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Fuentes isn't trying to win Republicans more votes

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So he wants to intentionally tank the republicans and get a Democrat elected? What's the point? To try and change the party by getting it to lose so we can have Gavin Newsome the next 4 years?

What's y'all's point? Burn it down?

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Yeah, I explained it in detail the other day. Light a fire under the GOPs ass. Either pursue an American First agenda or lose some of your most passionate voter base. We're not scared to let a Democrat win.

The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What you said the other day was essentially Maga. I mean, I gotta say, there was nothing you said that I disagreed with and quite frankly I think most of the things Trump already supports. So I'm just not sure what you guys want. Is his agenda just not pure enough for you? Do you need ideological purity?

As I tried to explain to you the other day, perfect is the enemy of good and Nick Fuentes is never getting elected so you can put that pipe dream to rest. A guy that hates other races and religions, even denominations within Christendom, doesn't have a chance in hell of ever getting elected in this country.

The truth is you guys really aren't conservative let's just be honest. Your wing nuts that adhere to a narrow ideology, probably less than 5% of the population believes. The problem with extremists is because you bark the loudest, you overestimate how many support you. The same held true of the wokesters on the left.

If you're so glib that you think Gavin Newsom is better than JD Vance because he has an Indian wife, then you racists deserve the ass kicking you're going to get moving forward.

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It is MAGA, or more so 2015-16 MAGA. Fuentes loved Trump in the beginning but strayed away from the movement after Trump lost the plot. I strayed from Trump a couple months into the second term.

The thing is, Trump is a grifter, typical GOP politician, bad ass campaigning with lame results. There is nothing MAGA about 600k Chinese students, H1B visas, Big Beautiful Bill, foreign wars in the Middle East, tariffs, or his lame deportation numbers. He calls affordability a democrat scam. You had to twist his arm to release the Epstein files.

I don't need a perfect Republican Party, but give me more GOP that resembles Thomas Massie or Rand Paul and they'll have my vote. I like fellas like James Fishback from Florida.

I won't lose any sleep if a Ted Cruz type loses to a Democrat.

I don't really care that Vance has a brown wife, I care about his deep state background.

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Again not much here I disagree with. Trump is a mixed bag.

But here is the thought process that boggles my mind. Because Trump is a mixed bag, you really wouldn't care if it had been Kamala instead? You think a Newsom admin is actually going to be no worse than Vance?

This is the mindset that truly boggles my mind. You guys will throw out the baby with the bath water. I'm not going to support the Republican because he doesn't check all the boxes. Instead I'll let the Democrat get elected who checks none of the boxes.

Respectfully, that's completely insane.

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I don't regret my vote in 2024 but I am disappointed with Trump and the GOP as a whole so I won't vote until they get better

I have higher standards. But none of this should matter as according to many on here, Groypers are a small minority and have no real power. So you shouldn't worry about it

And in all honesty, life doesn't seem that much different from Biden to Trump admins

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Indeed I'm not worried about the groypers who you are correct - have little actual power thank god. The last thing we need is their vile and evil beliefs taking hold of the party.

However, the mindset that Trump is no better than Biden is just mind boggling to me, and seems to seriously lack any semblance of perspective. How quickly we forget…

Once again, for you perfect is the enemy of good.

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If Trump is slightly better than Biden, what difference does it make? They both suck. I know what I want for our nation, you settle for sub-mediocrity

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Slightly? Again, how quickly we forget. Biden was an unmitigated disaster, and an enemy of every conservative cause. Any conservative who doesn't think Trump - despite his flaws - is significant better than Biden is likely not conservative.

Higher standards…lol. The inability to be pragmatic is what gets leaders like Biden elected. Your higher standards don't amount to much.

Another Sam Lowry starter kit - holding out for the perfect candidate . Again, Fuentes isn't running.

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If you keep electing ****ty GOP candidates because you're scared of the bogeyman democrat, then we'll keep getting ****ty GOP policy because they know they can run on the "at least I'm not Joe Biden" campaign message.

I prefer to look more forward than that. I'll sacrifice some elections if it means we get a pure GOP. Cracks are already beginning to form

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Nah you'll just do as Sam does - keep sitting out elections because you're not really a conservative.

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You wouldn't know conservatism if it hit you in the face

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I know enough about it to know the difference between Trump and Biden young pup.

Anyone who thinks there's no discernible difference between the two is either a moron or not a conservative.

Which is it, young un?

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The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What do you want them to do for you?

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The GOP hasn't done anything notable for Gen Z in our lifetime

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What do you want them to do for you?

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The same thing their helicopter Moms did for them. Give them what they want, when they want it, make sure others don't say they can't have it yet, wipe their noses, then tell them they're special and apologize for the inconvenience of life.

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