Tucker's attempt to normalize Nick Fuentes

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Mothra
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Realitybites said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

So who is responsible then, for this trend to marginalize white people?


For the racist, antisemites, the Jews. Tale as old as time. You guys got to collectively blame a race.
Mothra
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

The debate on his views will happen. The only question is who participates in it. The outcome is not in doubt, so we should get it over with. Delaying and hoping to win it by cancelling the other side merely makes it look like Republicans have the same kind of intolerance problem that Democrats do. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am not aware of a single elected GOP spouting intolerant identitarianism as a business model. Same cannot be said about Democrats, for whom identitarianism is the beating heart, lungs, legs & fist of their Party. Every one of them accepts identitarian worldview. Not one will make a peep to oppose it. And they are elected to offices all up & down the ballot, from city councils to the US Congress. Identitarian voices are leading the Democrat Party, fer crissakes.

Put Fuentes up on the stage and let any of a couple dozen bright Republican minds skewer him like swiss cheese. We've got to get back to fighting the real problem - leftist identitarianism in the halls of Congress.








Prior to Tucker, giving credence to some of our sides crazier ideas did not seem like a good strategy. But given the massive increase in popularity of Fuentes due to the appearance on tuckers show, now the republicans have a mess on their hands and are going to have to give this racist legitimacy by being on the same stage to debate with him. And we all know he won't do so in good faith and will only garner a greater following

If you think of things only in terms of what's good for the Republican Party, Tucker made a massive mistake legitimizing this guy.
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Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

Since WW2 White Christians have been declining in population. Two world wars were a major factor. Then you have the jews from the Frankfurt school coming to America to spread marxism which brought us feminism, abortion, fewer marriages, the erosion of the two parent family, porn, nihillism, lgbtism and basically the decline of America. I read the biography of Andrew Bretibart (who was Jewsish btw) and he even said as much.


Of course you blame the Jews for all those things. Tell me, do white people of German ancestry bear responsibility for Nazism, since it came about because of white Germans? How about communism. Karl Marx was a white man of German descent. Do we have shared responsibility for communism because Marx was white?

When you try to blame an entire race or ethnicity for the actions of a few who may have contributed to bad things, you just might be racist.

Karl Marx was Jewish.
Mothra
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muddybrazos said:

Mothra said:

muddybrazos said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

Since WW2 White Christians have been declining in population. Two world wars were a major factor. Then you have the jews from the Frankfurt school coming to America to spread marxism which brought us feminism, abortion, fewer marriages, the erosion of the two parent family, porn, nihillism, lgbtism and basically the decline of America. I read the biography of Andrew Bretibart (who was Jewsish btw) and he even said as much.


Of course you blame the Jews for all those things. Tell me, do white people of German ancestry bear responsibility for Nazism, since it came about because of white Germans? How about communism. Karl Marx was a white man of German descent. Do we have shared responsibility for communism because Marx was white?

When you try to blame an entire race or ethnicity for the actions of a few who may have contributed to bad things, you just might be racist.

Karl Marx was Jewish.


Marx had both Jewish and Germanic heritage. He didn't have a Jewish faith. His parents were Protestant Christians (or at least attended a Protestant church), and Marx was raised essentially a nominal Christian or atheist. Some would even call him antisemitic in his beliefs.

Do Protestants now have responsibility for Marx?

Do white people bear responsibility for Nazism?
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sombear said:

The_barBEARian said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

A generation addicted to the dopamine fixes via social media algorithms who seek belonging in echo chamber feedback loops..


Everyone and every generation is now in their own bubble of social media echo chamber and dopamine fixing algorithms.

The boomers are no different.

Go listen to Jon Stewart or Professor Scott Galloway.

I will say at least Stewart and Galloway offer a solution to what is now a universal problem (every generation and political or ethnic group is doing the same thing)

Go out there and get into the bubble/or algorithm loop of the people who are taking about instead of attacking them. Go actually take the time to talk to them and engage with them.

You break the loop by creating a new one…not just complaining about its existence


TPUSA wanted to host a debate between Tucker and Mark Levin in December.

See Mark Levin's response:



Mark Levin is a perfect example of Jewish nepotism. He debates people for a living. He has been paid hundreds of millions of dollars as a talk show personality and rhetorician... but he is too cowardly and incompetent to debate Tucker face-to-face... how does someone like Mark Levin have a job in radio and television as a "thought leader"?

I saw a tweet that I cannot find. It said something like: Jews are .2% (yes, that is .2, not 2) of the world's population and over half live in an area the size of Maricopa County (AZ). An anti-Jew/anti-Israel Muslim was just voted Mayor of the city with the world's largest Jewish population outside Israel. Yet Israel somehow controls the world and is responsible for its problems!


Yep. There are over 1 billion Chinese people in the world, over 1 billion Indian people, over 1 billion Catholics, over 1 billion protestants, 2 billion Muslims… there are about 15 million Jews in the entire world. And we've got a weird little cadre of losers on the right who believe "the Jews" run everything.

It is the same song that we've seen over and over again. You've got a small minority that is pretty darn successful, and the losers in the majority are eventually going to accuse them of cheating or some such.

I do not agree that we should support Jews as some sort of biblical covenant. I think that kind of thinking is dangerous and stupid, and in general I think we should be way less involved in helping them in the Middle East, unless and to the extent it furthers our own direct interest.

Anecdotally, I think most people agree with those statements. But it is pathetic that so many people cannot stop there, but have to run down some ridiculous rabbit hole of how the Jews have made their lives so difficult and control everything.

It's also interesting how that viewpoint tends to correlate with a person's lack of individual financial success. That's why many of those same folks tend to have similar views re "the boomers." The only thing holding those two viewpoints together are victim mentality and untethered conspiracy theory.
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Robert Wilson said:

sombear said:

The_barBEARian said:

Redbrickbear said:

ATL Bear said:

A generation addicted to the dopamine fixes via social media algorithms who seek belonging in echo chamber feedback loops..


Everyone and every generation is now in their own bubble of social media echo chamber and dopamine fixing algorithms.

The boomers are no different.

Go listen to Jon Stewart or Professor Scott Galloway.

I will say at least Stewart and Galloway offer a solution to what is now a universal problem (every generation and political or ethnic group is doing the same thing)

Go out there and get into the bubble/or algorithm loop of the people who are taking about instead of attacking them. Go actually take the time to talk to them and engage with them.

You break the loop by creating a new one…not just complaining about its existence


TPUSA wanted to host a debate between Tucker and Mark Levin in December.

See Mark Levin's response:



Mark Levin is a perfect example of Jewish nepotism. He debates people for a living. He has been paid hundreds of millions of dollars as a talk show personality and rhetorician... but he is too cowardly and incompetent to debate Tucker face-to-face... how does someone like Mark Levin have a job in radio and television as a "thought leader"?

I saw a tweet that I cannot find. It said something like: Jews are .2% (yes, that is .2, not 2) of the world's population and over half live in an area the size of Maricopa County (AZ). An anti-Jew/anti-Israel Muslim was just voted Mayor of the city with the world's largest Jewish population outside Israel. Yet Israel somehow controls the world and is responsible for its problems!


Yep. There are over 1 billion Chinese people in the world, over 1 billion Indian people, over 1 billion Catholics, over 1 billion protestants, 2 billion Muslims… there are about 15 million Jews in the entire world. And we've got a weird little cadre of losers on the right who believe "the Jews" run everything.

It is the same song that we've seen over and over again. You've got a small minority that is pretty darn successful, and the losers in the majority are eventually going to accuse them of cheating or some such.

I do not agree that we should support Jews as some sort of biblical covenant. I think that kind of thinking is dangerous and stupid, and in general I think we should be way less involved in helping them in the Middle East, unless and to the extent it furthers our own direct interest.

Anecdotally, I think most people agree with those statements. But it is pathetic that so many people cannot stop there, but have to run down some ridiculous rabbit hole of how the Jews have made their lives so difficult and control everything.

It's also interesting how that viewpoint tends to correlate with a person's lack of individual financial success. That's why many of those same folks tend to have similar views re "the boomers." The only thing holding those two viewpoints together are victim mentality and untethered conspiracy theory.


Nailed it
Realitybites
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Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

So who is responsible then, for this trend to marginalize white people?


For the racist, antisemites, the Jews. Tale as old as time. You guys got to collectively blame a race.


I'm asking who *you* think is responsible. Obviously this is a thing, from the decades long implementation of affirmative action, DEI, casting in movies, advertising...the list goes on. There clearly has been a broad based effort in many different areas of society to do this for quite a while.
Mothra
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Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

So who is responsible then, for this trend to marginalize white people?


For the racist, antisemites, the Jews. Tale as old as time. You guys got to collectively blame a race.


I'm asking who *you* think is responsible. Obviously this is a thing, from the decades long implementation of affirmative action, DEI, casting in movies, advertising...the list goes on. There clearly has been a broad based effort in many different areas of society to do this for quite a while.


There is so much blame to go around for each of the things you mention. The silly and absurd thing is blaming an ethnic group for all of those things. I'd think most reasonable educated people would agree.
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"The system is set up to extract wealth from Millennials and Gen Z and give it to Boomers:
- NIMBY housing laws that make it impossible for first time homebuyers to afford a home.
- Student debt that can't be paid off or discharged, leading to permanent wage depression.
- State governments in unsustainable levels of debt to civil service pension funds while canceling those benefits for new hires. California pays an average of 102% of final earnings to retiring civil servants.
- Proposition 13 lets longtime homeowners pay significantly less property tax than new ones.
- Both Medicare and Social Security will not be fully funded starting in 2033.
- Politicians are terrified of calling this out because 9 out of 10 people who go to their town halls are Boomers. I talked to one US Congressman who said "coming out too hard against Boomers is an almost sure way to lose an election". They're happy to call out billionaires but terrified to call out Boomers.

Once you see it the first time, you see it everywhere."
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whiterock
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Mothra said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

The debate on his views will happen. The only question is who participates in it. The outcome is not in doubt, so we should get it over with. Delaying and hoping to win it by cancelling the other side merely makes it look like Republicans have the same kind of intolerance problem that Democrats do. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am not aware of a single elected GOP spouting intolerant identitarianism as a business model. Same cannot be said about Democrats, for whom identitarianism is the beating heart, lungs, legs & fist of their Party. Every one of them accepts identitarian worldview. Not one will make a peep to oppose it. And they are elected to offices all up & down the ballot, from city councils to the US Congress. Identitarian voices are leading the Democrat Party, fer crissakes.

Put Fuentes up on the stage and let any of a couple dozen bright Republican minds skewer him like swiss cheese. We've got to get back to fighting the real problem - leftist identitarianism in the halls of Congress.








Prior to Tucker, giving credence to some of our sides crazier ideas did not seem like a good strategy. But given the massive increase in popularity of Fuentes due to the appearance on tuckers show, now the republicans have a mess on their hands and are going to have to give this racist legitimacy by being on the same stage to debate with him. And we all know he won't do so in good faith and will only garner a greater following

If you think of things only in terms of what's good for the Republican Party, Tucker made a massive mistake legitimizing this guy.

Nope. He helped us. Fuentes will continue on until we put him ion stage and dismantle his argument clause by clause. It's not hard to do. He's got nothing except the shock value of saying the previously unsayable. Sombear was on the right track when he observed the preposterous numerical disadvantage facing those who blame Jews for everything. "Ok, Nick, let's for the sake of argument say that we put all the Jews on an island in the middle of the Indian Ocean without any phones or internet. Does that automatically lower the cost of real estate, or eliminate income inequality, or finally achieve world peace? Tell us how that solves anything?"

The worst thing we can do is insist truth is settled and we need not sell it any more. Bad ideas never die. Every generation is doomed to kill them all over again. The only question is how much damage they do while we find reason to put off doing the work.

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boognish_bear said:



"The system is set up to extract wealth from Millennials and Gen Z and give it to Boomers:
- NIMBY housing laws that make it impossible for first time homebuyers to afford a home.
- Student debt that can't be paid off or discharged, leading to permanent wage depression.
- State governments in unsustainable levels of debt to civil service pension funds while canceling those benefits for new hires. California pays an average of 102% of final earnings to retiring civil servants.
- Proposition 13 lets longtime homeowners pay significantly less property tax than new ones.
- Both Medicare and Social Security will not be fully funded starting in 2033.
- Politicians are terrified of calling this out because 9 out of 10 people who go to their town halls are Boomers. I talked to one US Congressman who said "coming out too hard against Boomers is an almost sure way to lose an election". They're happy to call out billionaires but terrified to call out Boomers.

Once you see it the first time, you see it everywhere."

This is what happens when someone who truly believes Peter Pan was a documentary writes something.
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I've never been called antisemitic or a jew hater by someone younger than me... its always someone age 50 and above.

Robert Wilson
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The_barBEARian said:

I've never been called antisemitic or a jew hater by someone younger than me... its always someone age 50 and above.



Not true.
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The_barBEARian said:



You guys should call him a Nazi and encourage someone to kill Tucker like you did with Charlie Kirk... the only dangerous people in this country are you people... the left.

Another line in the sand MAGA espousing eye for an eye. Tuesday is Veterans Day and you should think of the tens of thousands of soldiers who died to keep Hitler out of here.


Anyone but the aggies please
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The_barBEARian said:

I've never been called antisemitic or a jew hater by someone younger than me... its always someone age 50 and above.



that's the difference between ignorance and wisdom.

even Kanye figured it out. I have faith you will, too.

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muddybrazos said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

Since WW2 White Christians have been declining in population. Two world wars were a major factor. Then you have the jews from the Frankfurt school coming to America to spread marxism which brought us feminism, abortion, fewer marriages, the erosion of the two parent family, porn, nihillism, lgbtism and basically the decline of America. I read the biography of Andrew Bretibart (who was Jewsish btw) and he even said as much.

Classic scapegoating.
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whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

The debate on his views will happen. The only question is who participates in it. The outcome is not in doubt, so we should get it over with.

True, but not in the way you think. When your best pitch to young people is to tell them their problems aren't real, you've already lost the argument.
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whiterock
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

The debate on his views will happen. The only question is who participates in it. The outcome is not in doubt, so we should get it over with.

True, but not in the way you think. When your best pitch to young people is to tell them their problems aren't real, you've already lost the argument.

I haven't seen anyone here making that case, certainly not me. So why the strawman?
whiterock
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Sam Lowry said:

muddybrazos said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

Since WW2 White Christians have been declining in population. Two world wars were a major factor. Then you have the jews from the Frankfurt school coming to America to spread marxism which brought us feminism, abortion, fewer marriages, the erosion of the two parent family, porn, nihillism, lgbtism and basically the decline of America. I read the biography of Andrew Bretibart (who was Jewsish btw) and he even said as much.

Classic scapegoating.

Yes, indeed.

Most of the Frankfurt School guys who fled Nazi Germany were indeed Jewish. Duh. They were fleeing Nazism. But some weren't really. Adorno was born to a thoroughly gentile mother by a Jewish father who had converted to Protestantism. So he wasn't raised Jewish but identified as a Jew later in life. The totality of the Frankfurt School philosophers looked a little different. Gramsci was Albanian (but married a Jew). Habermas wasn't Jewish at all - served in the Wermacht. Grunberg, the first director of the Institute For Social Research (later called the Frankfurt School) was a baptized Catholic. And of course subsequent generations of the Frankfurt School were mostly gentile. More importantly, the Frankfurt School was merely one part of the post-modernist movement. Few of the more prominent French post-modernists were Jewish. Derrida's family was Sephardic, but Lyotard considered the priesthood at one point in life. Foucault, the most cited Post Modernist of them all, was raised a Catholic and was anything but religious. And on and on.

And what do we do about conservative thinkers like Milton Friedman? Leo Strauss? Ludwig Von Mises? Anyone ever heard of David Ricardo? Marx, of course, was a secular Jew, but so is Javier Milei......Jewish by blood and openly musing about conversion to that faith.

What do we do with Karl Popper? His Jewish family converted before he was born, and he was baptized Lutheran. So whether he's Jewish or not kinda depends on whether one is looking to meet quota on shipments to Auschwitz or not. He explicitly rejected Marxism and supported classical liberalism. His most famous book "The Open Society" shaped the mind of one of his more infamous students, George Soros, yet when you actually read the book, it doesn't exactly set forth a very Soros-ian worldview. His concept of
repressive tolerance" certainly sounds benign & logical enough flowing from his pen, but I (and many others) have harshly criticized the practical application of it. Are all his thoughts derivative of the faith of his grandparents? Is all the authoritarianism done in his name a function of the blood running in his veins? Or is humanity itself the problem?

Philosophy far more than faith drove the post-modernist movement to its excesses - bad ideas, badly applied.
Perhaps the ideas men propose are more important than immutable things like blood & pigmentation.
Perhaps identitarianism is the sign of a weak mind.
Put me down for that last line.
Sam Lowry
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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

The debate on his views will happen. The only question is who participates in it. The outcome is not in doubt, so we should get it over with.

True, but not in the way you think. When your best pitch to young people is to tell them their problems aren't real, you've already lost the argument.

I haven't seen anyone here making that case, certainly not me. So why the strawman?

Uh-huh.
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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

muddybrazos said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

Since WW2 White Christians have been declining in population. Two world wars were a major factor. Then you have the jews from the Frankfurt school coming to America to spread marxism which brought us feminism, abortion, fewer marriages, the erosion of the two parent family, porn, nihillism, lgbtism and basically the decline of America. I read the biography of Andrew Bretibart (who was Jewsish btw) and he even said as much.

Classic scapegoating.

Yes, indeed.

Most of the Frankfurt School guys who fled Nazi Germany were indeed Jewish. Duh. They were fleeing Nazism. But some weren't really. Adorno was born to a thoroughly gentile mother by a Jewish father who had converted to Protestantism. So he wasn't raised Jewish but identified as a Jew later in life. The totality of the Frankfurt School philosophers looked a little different. Gramsci was Albanian (but married a Jew). Habermas wasn't Jewish at all - served in the Wermacht. Grunberg, the first director of the Institute For Social Research (later called the Frankfurt School) was a baptized Catholic. And of course subsequent generations of the Frankfurt School were mostly gentile. More importantly, the Frankfurt School was merely one part of the post-modernist movement. Few of the more prominent French post-modernists were Jewish. Derrida's family was Sephardic, but Lyotard considered the priesthood at one point in life. Foucault, the most cited Post Modernist of them all, was raised a Catholic and was anything but religious. And on and on.

And what do we do about conservative thinkers like Milton Friedman? Leo Strauss? Ludwig Von Mises? Anyone ever heard of David Ricardo? Marx, of course, was a secular Jew, but so is Javier Milei......Jewish by blood and openly musing about conversion to that faith.

What do we do with Karl Popper? His Jewish family converted before he was born, and he was baptized Lutheran. So whether he's Jewish or not kinda depends on whether one is looking to meet quota on shipments to Auschwitz or not. He explicitly rejected Marxism and supported classical liberalism. His most famous book "The Open Society" shaped the mind of one of his more infamous students, George Soros, yet when you actually read the book, it doesn't exactly set forth a very Soros-ian worldview. His concept of
repressive tolerance" certainly sounds benign & logical enough flowing from his pen, but I (and many others) have harshly criticized the practical application of it. Are all his thoughts derivative of the faith of his grandparents? Is all the authoritarianism done in his name a function of the blood running in his veins? Or is humanity itself the problem?

Philosophy far more than faith drove the post-modernist movement to its excesses - bad ideas, badly applied.
Perhaps the ideas men propose are more important than immutable things like blood & pigmentation.
Perhaps identitarianism is the sign of a weak mind.
Put me down for that last line.


It's identitarians all the way across the spectrum now. Fuentes is just a somewhat stronger version than Trump.
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

muddybrazos said:

Osodecentx said:

The resurgence of the 27-year-old Fuentes, who has argued that immigrants and "organized Jewry" are conspiring to extinguish the white race, has set off bitter infighting among conservative influencers over whether he should be tolerated or denounced.

Since WW2 White Christians have been declining in population. Two world wars were a major factor. Then you have the jews from the Frankfurt school coming to America to spread marxism which brought us feminism, abortion, fewer marriages, the erosion of the two parent family, porn, nihillism, lgbtism and basically the decline of America. I read the biography of Andrew Bretibart (who was Jewsish btw) and he even said as much.

Classic scapegoating.

Yes, indeed.

Most of the Frankfurt School guys who fled Nazi Germany were indeed Jewish. Duh. They were fleeing Nazism. But some weren't really. Adorno was born to a thoroughly gentile mother by a Jewish father who had converted to Protestantism. So he wasn't raised Jewish but identified as a Jew later in life. The totality of the Frankfurt School philosophers looked a little different. Gramsci was Albanian (but married a Jew). Habermas wasn't Jewish at all - served in the Wermacht. Grunberg, the first director of the Institute For Social Research (later called the Frankfurt School) was a baptized Catholic. And of course subsequent generations of the Frankfurt School were mostly gentile. More importantly, the Frankfurt School was merely one part of the post-modernist movement. Few of the more prominent French post-modernists were Jewish. Derrida's family was Sephardic, but Lyotard considered the priesthood at one point in life. Foucault, the most cited Post Modernist of them all, was raised a Catholic and was anything but religious. And on and on.

And what do we do about conservative thinkers like Milton Friedman? Leo Strauss? Ludwig Von Mises? Anyone ever heard of David Ricardo? Marx, of course, was a secular Jew, but so is Javier Milei......Jewish by blood and openly musing about conversion to that faith.

What do we do with Karl Popper? His Jewish family converted before he was born, and he was baptized Lutheran. So whether he's Jewish or not kinda depends on whether one is looking to meet quota on shipments to Auschwitz or not. He explicitly rejected Marxism and supported classical liberalism. His most famous book "The Open Society" shaped the mind of one of his more infamous students, George Soros, yet when you actually read the book, it doesn't exactly set forth a very Soros-ian worldview. His concept of
repressive tolerance" certainly sounds benign & logical enough flowing from his pen, but I (and many others) have harshly criticized the practical application of it. Are all his thoughts derivative of the faith of his grandparents? Is all the authoritarianism done in his name a function of the blood running in his veins? Or is humanity itself the problem?

Philosophy far more than faith drove the post-modernist movement to its excesses - bad ideas, badly applied.
Perhaps the ideas men propose are more important than immutable things like blood & pigmentation.
Perhaps identitarianism is the sign of a weak mind.
Put me down for that last line.


It's identitarians all the way across the spectrum now. Fuentes is just a somewhat stronger version than Trump.

LOL Trump is a results matter kinda guy who has earned enmity of the left in no small part for his refusal to go along with their identitarian nonsense, to the the point of ridiculing it. (that's why he's grown his vote share with every demographic except for white liberals).
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Example 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.

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sombear said:

Example 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.


Yeah, registering with FARA is as shady as it gets. The only foreign agents I trust are the anonymous ones.
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Another one

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sombear said:

Example 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.




Example 149 of why FARA is so important and Israel shouldn't have special privileges that make them the one foreign country that is excluded from registering it agents.
Mothra
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sombear said:

Example 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.



Hard to believe any conservatives take this clown seriously. Russia, Iran and now Venezuela.
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The_barBEARian said:

sombear said:

AIPACExample 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.




Example 149 of why FARA is so important and Israel shouldn't have special privileges that make them the one foreign country that is excluded from registering it agents.

Wrong. FARA does not apply to AIPAC. Never has. It is an American organization.

But, more importantly, what is the practical difference? Fill out a couple forms.

I mean, AIPAC hardly operates in secret . . . .
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Sam Lowry said:

sombear said:

Example 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.



Yeah, registering with FARA is as shady as it gets. The only foreign agents I trust are the anonymous ones.

We all know the Fuentes wing of the Right would be up in arms if Tucker was doing a fluff piece on Israel by interviewing a Zionist from AIPAC without disclosing his membership in same.
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sombear said:

The_barBEARian said:

sombear said:

AIPACExample 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.




Example 149 of why FARA is so important and Israel shouldn't have special privileges that make them the one foreign country that is excluded from registering it agents.

Wrong. FARA does not apply to AIPAC. Never has. It is an American organization.

But, more importantly, what is the practical difference? Fill out a couple forms.

I mean, AIPAC hardly operates in secret . . . .


Are you making money from Israel?

The only people who lie and say that AIPAC is an American lobby have a financial interest in supporting them.
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boognish_bear said:




What's missing here was the misguided push starting in the 70s to get everyone to go to college. Lots of people went to college who could have been served better in trades or entry jobs.
Blue collar was frowned upon in the classrooms of high schools across the nation.
It was based on the false belief that everyone who went to college would be better paid. Then the labor market didn't do well taking in the increase in supply.
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The_barBEARian said:

sombear said:

The_barBEARian said:

sombear said:

AIPACExample 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.




Example 149 of why FARA is so important and Israel shouldn't have special privileges that make them the one foreign country that is excluded from registering it agents.

Wrong. FARA does not apply to AIPAC. Never has. It is an American organization.

But, more importantly, what is the practical difference? Fill out a couple forms.

I mean, AIPAC hardly operates in secret . . . .


Are you making money from Israel?

The only people who lie and say that AIPAC is an American lobby have a financial interest in supporting them.


Their board and their funding is American. That's all that matters under FARA.

And you ignored my second point … what different wound it make? I'll answer for you: No difference.
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sombear said:

The_barBEARian said:

sombear said:

The_barBEARian said:

sombear said:

AIPACExample 149 of Tucker being a total loser and very likely on the take.




Example 149 of why FARA is so important and Israel shouldn't have special privileges that make them the one foreign country that is excluded from registering it agents.

Wrong. FARA does not apply to AIPAC. Never has. It is an American organization.

But, more importantly, what is the practical difference? Fill out a couple forms.

I mean, AIPAC hardly operates in secret . . . .


Are you making money from Israel?

The only people who lie and say that AIPAC is an American lobby have a financial interest in supporting them.


Their board and their funding is American. That's all that matters under FARA.

And you ignored my second point … what different wound it make? I'll answer for you: No difference.


My understanding is if you are lobbying and making political donations on behalf of another country, you have to register as a foreign agent.

If that is not the case, the law needs to be updated ASAP or will be once enough Boomers die off.
 
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