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Cerno has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this might take the cake.

Tucker, Candace, Fuentes, and the crew are advocating positions that are (1) contrary to Trump's, and (2) are supported by low single digits of the population. They are the ones hurting Trump and other Republicans. They are the ones who should be focusing on important issues.

The general public does want to hear about moon and chemtrail conspiracies; that Maduro and Putin really are good guys just misunderstood; that Christians are doing just fine in Nigeria; that Iran really is a friend; a debate on whether Hitler was a good guy; that only a couple hundred thousands Jews were killed in the holocaust; that Jews control the world; and whatever your views on Israel, they think it's stupid that some of these folks spend 80% of their time on it.

These idiots are the outliers, the distractors, the self-promoters, the ones that don't care about Trump or the economy.

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Tucker Carlson asks Ted Cruz:
- What is the taxpayer cost of supporting Israel? Ted Cruz says $3B/yr
- What does it costs us to support Israel’s bombing campaign? Ted Cruz is CLUELESS

ANSWER:
- Taxpayer Cost (2023-25): $75 BILLION! (min)
- Taxpayer Cost (1973-2024): $3 TRILLION! https://t.co/1lWyX2y87i pic.twitter.com/mB5TqrISAg

— GenXGirl (@GenXGirl1994) June 18, 2025

Most Americans would think it's stupid we spent $75 billion on Israel over the last couple years...

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I would submit what sombear correctly stated and what you stated are not mutually exclusive. Both can be true.

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Cerno has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this might take the cake.

Tucker, Candace, Fuentes, and the crew are advocating positions that are (1) contrary to Trump's, and (2) are supported by low single digits of the population. They are the ones hurting Trump and other Republicans. They are the ones who should be focusing on important issues.

The general public does want to hear about moon and chemtrail conspiracies; that Maduro and Putin really are good guys just misunderstood; that Christians are doing just fine in Nigeria; that Iran really is a friend; a debate on whether Hitler was a good guy; that only a couple hundred thousands Jews were killed in the holocaust; that Jews control the world; and whatever your views on Israel, they think it's stupid that some of these folks spend 80% of their time on it.

These idiots are the outliers, the distractors, the self-promoters, the ones that don't care about Trump or the economy.

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Tucker Carlson asks Ted Cruz:
- What is the taxpayer cost of supporting Israel? Ted Cruz says $3B/yr
- What does it costs us to support Israel’s bombing campaign? Ted Cruz is CLUELESS

ANSWER:
- Taxpayer Cost (2023-25): $75 BILLION! (min)
- Taxpayer Cost (1973-2024): $3 TRILLION! https://t.co/1lWyX2y87i pic.twitter.com/mB5TqrISAg

— GenXGirl (@GenXGirl1994) June 18, 2025

Most Americans would think it's stupid we spent $75 billion on Israel over the last couple years...

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Not sure where he got these numbers. We've given Israel around $300 billion since 1946. And a lot of that Israel uses to purchase weapons from American companies.

But that misses the broader point in my view. Sure, some people think that's too much. Some think we should give none. They still don't want to hear about Israel every day of the week and twice on Sundays. They want to hear about things that directly affect their lives. Israel isn't even a blip on our national spending radar screen.

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Republican Rep. Randy Fine says that Tucker Carlson is “the most dangerous anti-Semite in America” and “the leader of a modern day Hitler Youth.” pic.twitter.com/S4dbSDbhTm

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) November 2, 2025

You guys should call him a Nazi and encourage someone to kill Tucker like you did with Charlie Kirk... the only dangerous people in this country are you people... the left.

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You mean, kind of like how Nick Fuentes encouraged someone to kill Charlie Kirk, groyper?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1ngg7qs/nick_fuentes_explicitly_attacking_charlie_kirk/

You and your ilk aren't conservative, groyper. Sorry.

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They don't kill you because you're a Nazi, they call you a Nazi so they can kill you.
-Ted Cruz

I'm an American First conservative... you might not like it... but that is reality.

I am more America First than you on every issue.

I'm not a Fuentes supporter... but I am a Tucker supporter. And the only thing the leftist/Israel First coalition will achieve is helping more Mamdani types continue to get elected across the country.

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You don't support Fuentes, just the guy who gives him a platform to soft pedal him and allow him say heinous things.

You aren't America anything.

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First you decided who was or wasnt a Christian.

Now you decide who is or isnt an American.

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That is rich.

Pretty good takes here from ol Carl.

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Cerno has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this might take the cake.

Tucker, Candace, Fuentes, and the crew are advocating positions that are (1) contrary to Trump's, and (2) are supported by low single digits of the population. They are the ones hurting Trump and other Republicans. They are the ones who should be focusing on important issues.

The general public does want to hear about moon and chemtrail conspiracies; that Maduro and Putin really are good guys just misunderstood; that Christians are doing just fine in Nigeria; that Iran really is a friend; a debate on whether Hitler was a good guy; that only a couple hundred thousands Jews were killed in the holocaust; that Jews control the world; and whatever your views on Israel, they think it's stupid that some of these folks spend 80% of their time on it.

These idiots are the outliers, the distractors, the self-promoters, the ones that don't care about Trump or the economy.

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Nick Fuentes thanks you for your endorsement.

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Cerno has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this might take the cake.

Tucker, Candace, Fuentes, and the crew are advocating positions that are (1) contrary to Trump's, and (2) are supported by low single digits of the population. They are the ones hurting Trump and other Republicans. They are the ones who should be focusing on important issues.

The general public does want to hear about moon and chemtrail conspiracies; that Maduro and Putin really are good guys just misunderstood; that Christians are doing just fine in Nigeria; that Iran really is a friend; a debate on whether Hitler was a good guy; that only a couple hundred thousands Jews were killed in the holocaust; that Jews control the world; and whatever your views on Israel, they think it's stupid that some of these folks spend 80% of their time on it.

These idiots are the outliers, the distractors, the self-promoters, the ones that don't care about Trump or the economy.

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Nick Fuentes thanks you for your endorsement.

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I'm sure you all remember Pat Buchanan. He was the OG of MAGA, and for a lot of us Gen Xers supporting him was our first foray into presidential politics. America would have been a much better place had he been nominated.

The old guard of the GOP slandered him as an anti-Semite too.

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I'm sure you all remember Pat Buchanan. He was the OG of MAGA, and for a lot of us Gen Xers supporting him was our first foray into presidential politics. America would have been a much better place had he been nominated.

The old guard of the GOP slandered him as an anti-Semite too.

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Care to play "guess who said this?"

"You reach a point when you say, well gee, you know, here's a guy… who's constantly attacked Israel, who's attacked American Jews for supporting Israel, unduly, who's implied that American Jews push America into wars in which non-Jews die. There really is… a pattern… with Pat Buchanan… Is that antisemitic? Yeah."

Israel does seem to be really dividing the Republican party, especially among young voters.

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I'm sure you all remember Pat Buchanan. He was the OG of MAGA, and for a lot of us Gen Xers supporting him was our first foray into presidential politics. America would have been a much better place had he been nominated.

The old guard of the GOP slandered him as an anti-Semite too.

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LOL. You're showing your youth and ignorance, young 'un.

Anyone who knows anything about Buchanan's policies knows that he would be appalled at many of Trump's policies. And yes, he did have some anti-semitic views, in addition to lots of good ones, which is why he had a hard time gaining a foothold. If he could have tempered some of his more extreme ideas, he would have been more electable.

BTW, you still didn't answer my question. Here is it again:

I posted that it was antisemitic to "blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death." You apparently disagreed, responding to that specific quote, pointing out the verses in question.

So do you blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death or not? Stop being such a coward and have the balls to answer.

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I'm sure you all remember Pat Buchanan. He was the OG of MAGA, and for a lot of us Gen Xers supporting him was our first foray into presidential politics. America would have been a much better place had he been nominated.

The old guard of the GOP slandered him as an anti-Semite too.

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Care to play "guess who said this?"

"You reach a point when you say, well gee, you know, here's a guy… who's constantly attacked Israel, who's attacked American Jews for supporting Israel, unduly, who's implied that American Jews push America into wars in which non-Jews die. There really is… a pattern… with Pat Buchanan… Is that antisemitic? Yeah."

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Mark Levin? Someone with the last name Bush? Reality was there is no such pattern with him. The charge was originally leveled when he criticized Goldman Sachs and the beginnings of financialization of the economy…because apparently Goldman Sachs is Jewish or something.

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So do you blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death or not? Stop being such a coward and have the balls to answer

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As I said earlier, I don't blame anyone alive today for things that happened 2,000 years ago. I've said that twice. Hopefully that is clear enough for you the second time around.

Benjamin Netanyahu: "I'm reading a book called the Jews vs Rome."

"What made you pick that up?"

Netanyahu: "Well, we lost that one, I think we have to win the next." pic.twitter.com/pajzjROpbr

— captive dreamer (@avaricum777) November 12, 2025

Hmm, I wonder what he means by that. Its almost like there actually is a 2000 year old grudge going on against Rome and Christendom.

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So do you blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death or not? Stop being such a coward and have the balls to answer

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As I said earlier, I don't blame anyone alive today for things that happened 2,000 years ago. I've said that twice. Hopefully that is clear enough for you the second time around.

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Glad to hear you aren't as blatantly antisemitic as some of the others on this board. But it sounds like at some point you blamed an entire ethnic group for Christ's death. Otherwise, why did you feel the need to point out the verses in question in response to my post?

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Benjamin Netanyahu: "I'm reading a book called the Jews vs Rome."

"What made you pick that up?"

Netanyahu: "Well, we lost that one, I think we have to win the next." pic.twitter.com/pajzjROpbr

— captive dreamer (@avaricum777) November 12, 2025

Hmm, I wonder what he means by that. Its almost like there actually is a 2000 year old grudge going on against Rome and Christendom.

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Obviously, that he's the antichrist and is going to invade Italy.

If you tell everyone to the left of Dick Cheney that they're unwelcome, someone like Fuentes will be happy to accept them. It's music to his ears.

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So do you blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death or not? Stop being such a coward and have the balls to answer

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As I said earlier, I don't blame anyone alive today for things that happened 2,000 years ago. I've said that twice. Hopefully that is clear enough for you the second time around.

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Glad to hear you aren't as blatantly antisemitic as some of the others on this board. But it sounds like at some point you blamed an entire ethnic group for Christ's death. Otherwise, why did you feel the need to point out the verses in question in response to my post?

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Because at some point in history, practitioners of a specific *religion* who rejected Jesus called down a blood curse upon themselves and their children.

For some reason you keep conflating practioners of Judaism with Semites. Not all Semites practice Judaism. Some are adherents of Christianity. Others (probably the majority) are adherents of Islam. Surely you can distinguish between an ethnos and a theos. Unless you're deliberately trying to confuse the issue.

This is why the "anti-semitism" charge grows less meaningful with every passing year. This cat is out of the bag.

As a Christian, I do not believe in Islam or Judaism.

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Benjamin Netanyahu: "I'm reading a book called the Jews vs Rome."

"What made you pick that up?"

Netanyahu: "Well, we lost that one, I think we have to win the next." pic.twitter.com/pajzjROpbr

— captive dreamer (@avaricum777) November 12, 2025

Hmm, I wonder what he means by that. Its almost like there actually is a 2000 year old grudge going on against Rome and Christendom.

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Jews believe Jesus was the ******* son of a Roman Soldier who slept with Mary.

So the connection between Rome and Christianity has been there since the beginning.

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I'm sure you all remember Pat Buchanan. He was the OG of MAGA, and for a lot of us Gen Xers supporting him was our first foray into presidential politics. America would have been a much better place had he been nominated.

The old guard of the GOP slandered him as an anti-Semite too.

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Care to play "guess who said this?"

"You reach a point when you say, well gee, you know, here's a guy… who's constantly attacked Israel, who's attacked American Jews for supporting Israel, unduly, who's implied that American Jews push America into wars in which non-Jews die. There really is… a pattern… with Pat Buchanan… Is that antisemitic? Yeah."

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Mark Levin? Someone with the last name Bush? Reality was there is no such pattern with him. The charge was originally leveled when he criticized Goldman Sachs and the beginnings of financialization of the economy…because apparently Goldman Sachs is Jewish or something.

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Sorry, 3 strikes . . . the answer is . . . Tucker!

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So do you blame an entire ethnic group for Christ's death or not? Stop being such a coward and have the balls to answer

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As I said earlier, I don't blame anyone alive today for things that happened 2,000 years ago. I've said that twice. Hopefully that is clear enough for you the second time around.

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Glad to hear you aren't as blatantly antisemitic as some of the others on this board. But it sounds like at some point you blamed an entire ethnic group for Christ's death. Otherwise, why did you feel the need to point out the verses in question in response to my post?

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Because at some point in history, practitioners of a specific *religion* who rejected Jesus called down a blood curse upon themselves and their children.

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First, anyone who believes that the verse in Matthew pronounced a blood curse on an entire ethnic group is reading something into the passage that not only isn't there, but contradicts the bedrock principles of the Christian faith. While those verses have been historically misused to justify antisemitism, the vast majority of theologians and scholars understand there was no pronouncement of a general curse on the Jewish people. This was not an OT passage wherein God pronounced a curse upon the Jewish people.

Second, while you allege I am conflating terms, it is you who responded to a quote in which I said that an entire ethnic group is not responsible for Christ's death. If you were referring to a different subset of people, there would have been no reason to respond.

In short, you're trying to walk back a ridiculously stupid and unbiblical position under the guise that I am misusing the term antisemite. I'd suggest either owning up to your statement or calling it what it is - a ridiculous mistake.

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I'm sure you all remember Pat Buchanan. He was the OG of MAGA, and for a lot of us Gen Xers supporting him was our first foray into presidential politics. America would have been a much better place had he been nominated.

The old guard of the GOP slandered him as an anti-Semite too.

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Care to play "guess who said this?"

"You reach a point when you say, well gee, you know, here's a guy… who's constantly attacked Israel, who's attacked American Jews for supporting Israel, unduly, who's implied that American Jews push America into wars in which non-Jews die. There really is… a pattern… with Pat Buchanan… Is that antisemitic? Yeah."

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Mark Levin? Someone with the last name Bush? Reality was there is no such pattern with him. The charge was originally leveled when he criticized Goldman Sachs and the beginnings of financialization of the economy…because apparently Goldman Sachs is Jewish or something.

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Sorry, 3 strikes . . . the answer is . . . Tucker!

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Whoops! What a quandary.

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If you tell everyone to the left of Dick Cheney that they're unwelcome, someone like Fuentes will be happy to accept them. It's music to his ears.

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You believed that is what he was saying?

We apparently read two very different posts.

So now Ben Shapiro, Randy Fine and Lindsey Graham are considered MAGA, but Marjorie Greene, Tucker Carlson, and Thomas Massie are not?

Your Israel First “MIGA” movement is dead.

The America First Movement is the future.

— Nicholas J. Fuentes (@NickJFuentes) November 15, 2025

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So now Ben Shapiro, Randy Fine and Lindsey Graham are considered MAGA, but Marjorie Greene, Tucker Carlson, and Thomas Massie are not?

Your Israel First “MIGA” movement is dead.

The America First Movement is the future.

— Nicholas J. Fuentes (@NickJFuentes) November 15, 2025

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such amazingly poor reasoning. How does abandoning the best ally we have make America great again?

no number of bad foreign policy decisions will balance the budget.......

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How does abandoning the best ally we have

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When you start from the wrong premise, you reach the wrong conclusions.

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How does abandoning the best ally we have

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My point exactly. None of the Israel critics have even attempted to explain how we would be better off without Israel as an ally.

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My point exactly. None of the Israel critics have even attempted to explain how we would be better off without Israel as an ally.

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What you don't understand is we don't control how good or bad an ally Israel will be. They control that. Once we have AIPAC register under FARA and cut all foreign aid to everyone (including Israel) we will see who our allies and enemies are apart from the giving your lunch money to the schoolyard bully dynamic. If in that world we have none it will be the defining condemnation of your world view.

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My point exactly. None of the Israel critics have even attempted to explain how we would be better off without Israel as an ally.

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What you don't understand is we don't control how good or bad an ally Israel will be. They control that.
We don't "control" any ally like that, so why the double standard for Israel?
(this is the anti-semitic portal for Israel critics = they say stuff so profoundly obtusely out of touch with reality that it begs questions as to underlying motives).

Once we have AIPAC register under FARA and cut all foreign aid to everyone (including Israel) we will see who our allies and enemies are apart from the giving your lunch money to the schoolyard bully dynamic. If in that world we have none it will be the defining condemnation of your world view.
So you want to make American citizens register with the government to advocate on behalf of policy. Got it.

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The premise of your question is that advocating ANY foreign policy at all is anti-American, ipso facto agent advocacy on behalf of another country.

I think it is in our interests to support Nato.
I think it is in our interests to support Ukraine against Russia.
I think it is in our interests to support South Korea against China.
I think it is in our interests to support Japan against China.
I think it is in our interests to support Guyana against Venezuela.
I think it is in our interests to support Israel against Iran.
(and more.....and of course not all of that support is equally as important as others at any given time).

So. how many FARA forms do you want me to fill out?

Better yet, I know your foreign policy would weaken us....would help Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, etc..... So why don't you go register with FARA as an agent of Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela? I mean, the premise of your whole argument here is that advocacy on ANY of our foreign policy interests is de facto support for foreign powers, right?

Or, we can quit trying to cancel each other and just debate foreign policy on merits. That would of course, require you to actually HAVE a foreign policy.

Again, tell us how we are better off without Israel.

Personally, I would ban all foreign lobbying of our elected officials with life in prison being the penalty for violating it. Heck, make it a constitutional amendment.

FARA is a poor substitute, but it is what currently exists.

I'm not saying we are better of without Israel as an ally. But if under my terms they cease to be an ally, that is a choice *they* make. If that is they choice they make, they are less of an ally and more of a mercenary state that occasionally coordinates with our interests.

The post Soviet Russians have expressed a desire to be allied with the west for decades. We see how that is working out. Such overtures can be rejected, and Israel may decide that apart from looting our treasury they won't "ally" with us.

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Personally, I would ban all foreign lobbying of our elected officials with life in prison being the penalty for violating it. Heck, make it a constitutional amendment.

FARA is a poor substitute, but it is what currently exists.

I'm not saying we are better of without Israel as an ally. But if under my terms they cease to be an ally, that is a choice *they* make. If that is they choice they make, they are less of an ally and more of a mercenary state that occasionally coordinates with our interests.

The post Soviet Russians have expressed a desire to be allied with the west for decades. We see how that is working out. Such overtures can be rejected, and Israel may decide that apart from looting our treasury they won't "ally" with us.

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Nice thing bout foreign aid is, it "induces" people to ally with us, or at least stay out of our way.

Israel will be an ally where our interests align, in which case we need them. If they want to take a pass on supporting us from time to time, that's fine. We can agree to disagree. Israel certainly disagreed with a lot of Obama and Biden policy because it was injurious to Israel. (it was injurious to us, as well...if we'd listened to Israel, we'd have been a lot better off). They managed that disagreement well, avoiding the burning of bridges that would complicate future cooperation.

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Personally, I would ban all foreign lobbying of our elected officials with life in prison being the penalty for violating it. Heck, make it a constitutional amendment.

FARA is a poor substitute, but it is what currently exists.

I'm not saying we are better of without Israel as an ally. But if under my terms they cease to be an ally, that is a choice *they* make. If that is they choice they make, they are less of an ally and more of a mercenary state that occasionally coordinates with our interests.

The post Soviet Russians have expressed a desire to be allied with the west for decades. We see how that is working out. Such overtures can be rejected, and Israel may decide that apart from looting our treasury they won't "ally" with us.

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By cozying up to Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Iran, Syria, North Korea, and China?

By invading and attempting to take over democratic neighbors?

By failing to implement even the slightest of democratic reforms?

By assassinating political opposition?

By interfering with our elections?

By trying to undermine our influence in Africa?

How else have they "desired to be allied with the west?"

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My point exactly. None of the Israel critics have even attempted to explain how we would be better off without Israel as an ally.

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https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy

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My point exactly. None of the Israel critics have even attempted to explain how we would be better off without Israel as an ally.

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Trump's progress in the Middle East, our strong relations with the Saudis, Jordan, Qatar, and others, and the middle east turning on Iran proved Mearsheimer embarrassingly wrong. If he had morals, he would issue a retraction to his own book . . . .

This is completely false. One of the board members of the New York Young Republicans just posted a video of himself calling Jews cockroaches and hunting them down.

He didn’t get canceled…

More lies.

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) November 16, 2025

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Benjamin Netanyahu: "I'm reading a book called the Jews vs Rome."

"What made you pick that up?"

Netanyahu: "Well, we lost that one, I think we have to win the next." pic.twitter.com/pajzjROpbr

— captive dreamer (@avaricum777) November 12, 2025

Hmm, I wonder what he means by that. Its almost like there actually is a 2000 year old grudge going on against Rome and Christendom.

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What a weird dang thing for Netanyahu to say…

What would be even possibly mean the next Jewish war vs Rome?

There as not been a Roman Empire in the West since 476 AD. And no Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) since 1453 AD

So strange for a modern Jewish head of state to say that…