Oldbear83 said:BigGameBaylorBear said:Mothra said:BigGameBaylorBear said:Mothra said:BigGameBaylorBear said:Mothra said:BigGameBaylorBear said:Mothra said:BigGameBaylorBear said:Mothra said:BigGameBaylorBear said:Mothra said:BigGameBaylorBear said:
So many of the things you're saying about Fuentes are flat out wrong. Again, you're going off of 10 second clips as you admitted you haven't watched the show. You tell people to investigate but you need to go do your own before making bold statements like you've been doing here
That being the case, it should be easy then to point a few things you think I am wrong about. Let's discuss. Where am I wrong?
For starters, the whole Nazi thing. He has made it clear that he disavows the actions of Hitler and the third reich (and Stalin too). He admires them as great men of history, same pool as Caesar, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, etc. He also disavows all harmful acts towards Jews in general. Two recent incidents, one was when the kid dressed as a Nazi at a bar in Georgia, the other when the kid threw coins at Dave Portnoy. Fuentes disavowed both.
I think you guys are misunderstanding the white supremacy thing as well. He has stated that he believes all people are created equally in the eyes of God. He has black and Jewish friends that he collabs with frequently. However, he wants to preserve the white race as the demographic core of America and Europe. He has no intentions to harm/deport legal blacks, jews, or Indians
It's interesting you thought this was a defense of Nick.
My friend, anyone who thinks Hitler and Stalin are "cool" or "great men" is a seriously screwed up and misguided individual who needs to repent and find Jesus. These were not cool men. They were despicable, evil human beings, responsible for millions of deaths.
You seriously need to get your priorities straightened.
Perhaps it's because your father's generation fought against these guys (if you're a boomer or early Gen x) but I don't think you older guys understand. Just because someone is bad, doesn't mean they can't be cool or fascinating. It's similar to Robert E Lee and many of the CSA generals, they were extremely fascinating men, much more so than those of the union side in my opinion (coming from a yankee btw). But you can't talk about them without some leftist complaining in your ear about how they're racist. It's awfully tiresome
My dad was a Vietnam vet. So I am quite a bit younger than a boomer. In fact, I am much closer to a Millennial than a boomer (about 3 years removed). So, it's not my age that has me thinking it's wrong to call a mass murderer responsible for genocide and the deaths of millions cool or great. It's just basic common human decency.
Robert E Lee was not a mass murderer responsible for genocide. So that's kind of an apples to bowling balls comparison.
What makes Hitler/Stalin "great" men, in your book?
Mothra, there are great men, like our fathers, and then there are great men who conquer nations, win battles, are insanely intelligent, and possess amazing leadership skills. We are obviously talking about the latter definition when talking about Hitler and Stalin. Go on and google "great men of history" and it will give you a list of guys, including Washington, Lincoln, Hitler, Alexander the Great, etc
I would submit that no reasonable person or historian thinks Hitler and Stalin were "great" men, but that doesn't answer my question.
What makes them great in your book? What makes them great in Fuentes' book? In other words, what do you guy admire about these despots?
Did you even read what I said? Do you understand the context of the word "great" in this conversation?
Hitler and Stalin are great because they industrialized their respective nations. Stalin transformed a peasant society into a world super power armed with nuclear weapons. Hitler took a war-torn dirt-poor Germany and turned them into one of the strongest nations in the world
JFK's personal diary stated "Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived"
He also described Hitler as "the stuff of which legends are made"
I would say JFK is a pretty reasonable man, what do you think?
So you think it's just the things Hitler and Stalin accomplished makes them great, not that they're mass murderers worthy of scorn.
Sounds like you really admire them and think they're cool dudes, like Nick. Right?
BTW, using this definition, we really need to take another look at Mao's and bin Laden's accomplishments. Sounds like they are "great" men as well using your definition.
Yeah. Using this definition, I would include Mao as one of the great men of history. Bin Laden? Not so much. He's mid. Doesn't even sniff the others actually
And do you find Stalin and Hitler really ****ing cool as well? And if so, what do you think makes them so ****ing cool?
As for bin Laden, I don't know. Using your criteria, I would say being able to bring down the WTC was an incredible "accomplishment."
I find them very fascinating. The Nazis had cool uniforms though, the Hugo Boss. Their guns were cool too. They're cool in a super villain kinda way
The Nazis were a strange cult. The real danger is how they corrupted so many ordinary people into supporting them. A lot of otherwise-decent people bought into a pack of lies they should have rejected out of hand.
As far as 'cool' goes, freezing to death in North Russia, discovering what a bunch of really pissed partisans can do, starving to the point of making 'bread' out of sawdust, don't really work out to much of a 'cool' thing, then to find out that all your sacrifice was to prop up a few malignant monsters at the top?
You could say the same about the Bolsheviks or other Communist takeovers in North Korea, Venezuela, etc. What happened in Germany was not a new thing. For example, I doubt most people like living under dictatorships yet they are common throughout history.
