Realitybites said:
Mothra said:
What's evil is attempting to defend or downplay the actions of a truly and objectively evil regime. What's also evil is wishing for America to lose because you can't stand Jews. Those are all beliefs that Nick Fuentes (and presumably his groypers) holds. And indeed, contrary to your assertions, those are morally depraved positions.
Gotta say, I am a bit shocked you're defending such morally depraved beliefs.
If you read back through my posts about the war and Judaism I have not once said anything remotely approaching what you are accusing me of. But what those of you who cry wolf don't realize is that when everyone is an antisemite, no one is. You throw the term around like BLM threw the term racist around, and the charge itself becomes laughable even in the face of actual racism against semitic people.
I reject your Christian Zionism as a heresy. This is a viewpoint that (1) is the historic position of the Church for 2000 years, and (2) far more widespread than whatever Nick Fuentes is doing/saying. It is the position of the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Coptic Church, the Ethopian Church, Lutheranism, and on down the line. In fact, outside of evangelical and pentecostal circles, it is nonexistent.
What I am saying is far from a "morally depraved belief."
Indeed, let's take a look back at your posts because, respectfully, you're kind of all over the place.
Your initial response to my post which began this exchange was a defense of the groypers' position on Iran. In your defense of the groypers, you attributed a number of strawmen argument to me, inferring that I was saying one cannot question the wisdom of the Iran war, when that was clearly not what I said or even suggested (as I later clarified) in the post you were responding to.
Instead, if you will read back through that original post that you so badly mischaracterized, I said that supporting an evil, despotic and demonic Islamic regime that kills and subjugates its own people and is responsible for numerous deaths throughout the Middle East and around the world is not Christian. Now, in that post, I was referring to two things specifically - 1) Sam's 20-year defense and support for the Iranian regime, which I understand you are likely unaware of given your brief time on these boards; and 2) more generally, the comments of the groypers' leader, Nick Fuentes, who has expressed strong support for the Iranian regime and leaders, and is rooting for them against his own country (and certainly, Israel).
Remarkably, however, you somehow attributed those comments to mean that I was suggesting it was immoral or unchristian to question the wisdom of the Iran war, which is quite frankly, an incredible (and perhaps, purposeful) mischaracterization of my comments.
In response to your mischaracterizations, I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you had simply badly misunderstood my comments, and clarified for you what I was referencing: again, wishing for America to lose because you can't stand Jews. And I asked you how you could defend such behavior. Ironically, in response, you attempted to argue I had mischaracterized your defense of the groypers. If that is not the case, then please do clarify, as given your defense of them on this thread, that seems like a reasonable conclusion. So far, it doesn't appear to have been addressed by you. Indeed, I can find no post on this thread critical of the groyper's position.
As far as accusing someone of antisemtism, I don't make the accusation lightly, but I suspect we can both agree that Fuentes is a racist and an antisemite. And I think we can also say that some of his followers, including a handful of them on this board, are likewise antisemites. Barbearian comes directly to mind. Ironically, although you've accused me of using the Antisemite label too broadly, I've never seen you say a critical word of his use of anti-Jewish slurs and caricatures. Indeed, you've constantly defended him against such accusations, and regularly take issue with the very definition of the word. Thus, it would appear you don't believe anything, perhaps short of someone who wishes Jews were sent to the gas chambers, is antisemitic. That being the case, you might consider you are not the best judge of someone's overuse of that term.
Moreover, when a group of far-righters, such as the groypers and America Firsters, use the phrase, "Christ is King", and those individuals very clearly are not Christian, don't live according to Christ's commands, or consistently violate his teachings, I think any reasonable Christian understands that phrase, instead of being used to show respect and reverence for Christ, is instead being used as a pejorative aimed at those of the Jewish faith. As another astute poster pointed out, it is a cudgel being used by those of bearbearians ilk to criticize Judaism in general, as well as the state of Israel. And again, if you are in fact a Christian, as you purport to be, you also know it is being used by people who either aren't Christian or certainly produce no fruit indicating that they are. Quite frankly, I am not sure how else to describe such conduct other than antisemitic in nature. And again, I think any reasonable person would agree with me.
Finally, with respect to the Zionist label, I don't consider myself as such. I would submit that what those of you who cry wolf when throwing around that term don't realize is that when everyone is an Zionist, no one is. You throw the term around like BLM threw the term racist around, and the charge itself becomes laughable even in the face of actual Zionism.
Respectfully, it would help our dialogue quite a bit if you could learn to refrain from mischaracterizing my positions. It has become a pretty bad habit, as you have attributed numerous positions to me that I do not hold. The vast majority of my posts are trying to correct your mischaracterizations, and as evidenced by your last post, I think we can both agree it's not fun and not productive. I would suggest in the future reading what I write in an attempt to understand it, instead of refute it.
Another thing that would be helpful is to address points actually raised in retort, instead of ignoring them. You also have a terrible habit of ignoring the facts or evidence that are inconvenient for your positions. This thread is a perfect example. It is intellectually dishonest, and frustrating dealing with someone who just picks and chooses what he wants to respond to or address. It certainly lessens the desire to engage with someone such as yourself.
