The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
BigGameBaylorBear said:
Mothra said:
BigGameBaylorBear said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
Mothra said:
The_barBEARian said:
I meant no disrespect towards your grandfather.
As you pointed out, he was just a patriotic kid that was manipulated and thrown to the wolves. He thought he was doing the right thing.
The fault is entirely with the politicians of the day - Roosevelt and Churchill.
Indeed, he was a patriotic kid that did the right thing - fight against the evil and tyranny that was Hitler and the Nazis. He was on the right side of history.
If only those assassination attempts on one of the most evil men in the history of humanity had been successful...
It's interesting that you blame the current make up of Great Britain on Churchill. I suppose you believe if the Nazis had won then the ethnic cleansing that would've resulted would've prevented the current demographic.
In what ways do you feel the world would've been better if Hitler had conquered all of Europe? I mean, I guess it's a given that most of the Jewish people would've been wiped out in a genocide. You would of course view that is a good thing. What other positive aspects do you see coming from the Nazis winning?
Hitler would have never won all of Europe. And even if he conquered mainland, he wouldn't hold it very long. Similar to Napoleon.
His early idea was to unite ethnic Germans under one nation, Lebensraum, which would involve defeating the Soviets and conquering much of Eastern Europe.
As for the Jews, the Nazis originally planned to deport them. I doubt the Holocaust would have happened if the war never escalated the way it did.
So a Europe, full of white Germanic tribes united under fascism and an ethically cleansed, Europe, ridded of the dirty Jews, one way or the other. Sounds like a utopia for someone on this board.
But the evil Americans and British prevented his grand plan. How long do you think the German fascist states would've survived? And I'm curious why you think it required the defeat of the Soviets. Hitler seemed perfectly willing to live with them at times.
If Hitler defeated the Soviets without Western Powers joining the war, I think they would've lasted a few decades but eventually would've balkanized at some point. He would also have to do something about the massive Slavic population.
In regard to your last question, Hitler never desired a long-lasting peace with the Soviets. He hated them and everything they stood for, they were his natural enemy. The treaty was purely strategic so he could defeat Poland, France, and England.
Yes he likely would have had to kill off the Slavs too. The ethnic cleansing and genocide would have been rampant. Your buddy, little Adolf, would have loved it. Such a "great" man, that Hitler.
But the likely scenario is he would have lost to the Soviets, who ultimately would have taken large swaths of Europe and placed them under communist control.
Large swaths of Europe WERE lost to the Soviets and placed under communist control.
Attacking Germany was so irrational and counter-productive it makes one wonder if the same people who financed Churchill were also financing the Soviet Union...
As set forth above, all of Europe would have likely been lost to the Soviets had we done nothing. Germany's defeat at the hands of the Soviets would have left Europe completely exposed to Soviet invasion. So instead of a fascist Europe, we would've had a communist Europe. The end result would've been absolutely devastating.
And then, of course, Japan and its imperial army would have controlled most of the orient. We would've been an isolated country, likely trading with the likes of Canada, Mexico, and parts of South America, provided, of course that Japan's imperialism in the Soviets ambitions didn't result in a South American invasion.
Nuclear war probably would've been inevitable. Wouldn't have even been close to the superpower that we are now.
The idea that allowing Germany to its own devices, would somehow make the world or our country better is just such a enormously stupid position that it says the person holding it is likely either insane or a complete and total dumbass. Only a moron would think as such.
