Porteroso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

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Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

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No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

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Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

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The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

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If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

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Progressives have not taken over the DNC yet. The fight for that party will get much bigger before we see a winner. They are desperate to appease the progressives, they have to be, otherwise lose more and more seats to them, but the number of true ultra lefties in Congress is still very low.

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Actually, they have. Much like an unrecoverable nose dive that hasn't yet hit the ground.
The numbers on every level of elections are overwhelming. The UberProgressive Far Left is decimating the Left Establishment.

one easy example: 87% of open seat D primaries at city, county and local board level in Pennsylvania are won by Far Left. The establishment candidates are simply not competitive.

Why? Since 2021 Rs have reduced the Ds voter registration lead by 1,005,000ish. Of those new registrants, over 318,000 people were former Ds who switched registration. Over 4,000 Ds who previously held or are holding local offices were among the 318,000. The voters necessary to elect Establishment Ds are simply no longer in the party.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

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No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

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Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

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The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

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If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

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Progressives have not taken over the DNC yet. The fight for that party will get much bigger before we see a winner. They are desperate to appease the progressives, they have to be, otherwise lose more and more seats to them, but the number of true ultra lefties in Congress is still very low.

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Democrats follow the global progressives. Look at NY. They absolutely will continue to do so. Amazing how people want to bury their heads in the sand. But if the Dems win again, we're heading to the UK/Canada model. Will just take us 10 years to get there. But we're on the way.

I get why you'd want to pretend. But supposed conservatives pretending ... well they're just clueless.

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Mayor of New York does not have as much power as you think. Any money taxation has to come from Albany, he can talk, but not do much.

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Porteroso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

---

Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

---

The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

---

If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

---

Progressives have not taken over the DNC yet. The fight for that party will get much bigger before we see a winner. They are desperate to appease the progressives, they have to be, otherwise lose more and more seats to them, but the number of true ultra lefties in Congress is still very low.

---

Democrats follow the global progressives. Look at NY. They absolutely will continue to do so. Amazing how people want to bury their heads in the sand. But if the Dems win again, we're heading to the UK/Canada model. Will just take us 10 years to get there. But we're on the way.

I get why you'd want to pretend. But supposed conservatives pretending ... well they're just clueless.

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Mayor of New York does not have as much power as you think. Any money taxation has to come from Albany, he can talk, but not do much.

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Lol, it's not about power, it's about direction, it's about what the left wants to vote for. You think you're thinking long term, you're really not because the world is a different place than it was a decade ago. The progressive globalists don't care about anything other than advancing their agenda. And they aren't far off from having the numbers to do that.

Head in the sand now, but you'll be looking back blaming the republicans.

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

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the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

Hey libtards, put down a prayer blanket 5 times a day and face New Mecca (NYC). The head of your religion (left/liberalism/socialsim/communism) is there.

ScottS said:

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Hey libtards, put down a prayer blanket 5 times a day and face New Mecca (NYC). The head of your religion (left/liberalism/socialsim/communism) is there.

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what the hell is wrong with you? Do you really think the prayer carpet was an ok response. I don't know what is going to happen in NY, but it will be interesting . Sad that our gem of a city has come to this. I enjoyed living there out of business school...young and all. I lived there prior to gentrification, particularly the LES, Bowery, ect. I don't think I could live there these days unless money was no object.

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

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the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

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I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

J.R. said:

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ScottS said:

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Hey libtards, put down a prayer blanket 5 times a day and face New Mecca (NYC). The head of your religion (left/liberalism/socialsim/communism) is there.

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what the hell is wrong with you? Do you really think the prayer carpet was an ok response. I don't know what is going to happen in NY, but it will be interesting . Sad that our gem of a city has come to this. I enjoyed living there out of business school...young and all. I lived there prior to gentrification, particularly the LES, Bowery, ect. I don't think I could live there these days unless money was no object.

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What's your apt in Dallas cost a month? You wouldn't have as nice of a place but you could definitely afford to live in NYC. Have a car payment? Fuel? Insurance? Maintenance? Don't need any of that. Add that to your rent.

The average rent in Dallas is around $2,000/mo. The average car payment is $777 (and one in 8 is over $1,000/mo) so you're looking at $2700/mo. Plus the $100/mo in fuel, plus the $100/mo maintenance plus the insurance.

I found plenty of places in Manhattan in that $3,000-$3,500 range. Didn't bother looking because I know it's cheaper in Brooklyn or even across the bridge in Hoboken.

Life is about lifestyle choices. If you want something you will find a way.

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

---

I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

---

I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

---

The answer in healthcare is really "simple". You have to minimize insurance to whatever degree you can. The patient HAS to have skin in the game.

"You need an MRI, it's not urgent so let's schedule it Friday"

They send you to a place that charges $5,000 but you don't care because insurance is paying. You could EASILY find a place that does it for $400 and if it was your money you damned sure would.

We need to find a way to incentivize people to make better choices. As a fat guy I think you also have to incentivize health. "Lose 20 lbs this year and we will cut your premium by $50".

Finally, we have to figure out why insurance will cover a $400,000 heart attack but tell you to **** off on a $400 gym membership that could save them $399,600. It's better for everyone the more healthy people we have as a nation.

I had blood work done about 6 weeks ago. I got a bill for $1,800 because the Dr that did it is covered but the lab they sent it to is not. $1,800 for what amounts to $6 in materials and probably $15 in tests. How was I supposed to know where they sent the bloodwork? Oh, you mean if they sent it to the location in Cleveland it was covered but the one in Toledo wasn't? Why did they send my blood clear to Toledo 3 hours away when they could have walked it to Cleveland in about 6 hours.

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

---

FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

---

Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

---

I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

---

I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

---

not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

---

FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

---

Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

---

I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

---

I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

---

The answer in healthcare is really "simple". You have to minimize insurance to whatever degree you can. The patient HAS to have skin in the game.

"You need an MRI, it's not urgent so let's schedule it Friday"

They send you to a place that charges $5,000 but you don't care because insurance is paying. You could EASILY find a place that does it for $400 and if it was your money you damned sure would.

We need to find a way to incentivize people to make better choices. As a fat guy I think you also have to incentivize health. "Lose 20 lbs this year and we will cut your premium by $50".

Finally, we have to figure out why insurance will cover a $400,000 heart attack but tell you to **** off on a $400 gym membership that could save them $399,600. It's better for everyone the more healthy people we have as a nation.

I had blood work done about 6 weeks ago. I got a bill for $1,800 because the Dr that did it is covered but the lab they sent it to is not. $1,800 for what amounts to $6 in materials and probably $15 in tests. How was I supposed to know where they sent the bloodwork? Oh, you mean if they sent it to the location in Cleveland it was covered but the one in Toledo wasn't? Why did they send my blood clear to Toledo 3 hours away when they could have walked it to Cleveland in about 6 hours.

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I agree with you up to a point on this. The Insurance system is broken, period. There is no standardization of pricing and the "negotiated" what the insurance will cover is BS. But, that leads to the socialized medicine question, do you want standardized pricing? Does the Cleveland Clinic have more value than the Urgent Care down the road?

I do disagree with you on the blood work. We are talking professional analysis, not bagging groceries. $6 in materials and $15 for the tests to run is only part of what you are paying for. You are paying for the expertise that the information is correct, the ability to run the analysis and the liability if they are wrong. Running blood work and breaking into the components a Doctor can use to treat you has value and can't just be done by anyone. The same as an Attorney's advice, an Accountant's analysis, and an Engineer's signed and sealed plans you pay for their analysis. Also, if the place in Toledo is better. I want them running my blood for my health diagnosis, not the "low bidder".

I am all for preventive coverage and giving benefits to those that do what they are supposed to do.

All this is great, but a base level of care still needs to be available to all citizens. Not just those that can pay. It is not just something the privileged should have access.

whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

---

FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

---

Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

---

I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

---

I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

---

not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

---

If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

---

FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

---

Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

---

I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

---

I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

---

not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

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If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

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Explain how the D's get control of the Senate.

Rs have 1 Senator from a Blue State while D's already have 9 of 14 Senators from swing states. Even rolling back the 1 senator, Ds would need to take two more Senate seats from swing states when they are already close to a historical high (% based) of swing Senate seats.

historically, Ds are more likely to lose one or two Senate seats than gain one or two.

your thinking is borderline crazy.
the entire premise of gaining power is the ability to use it, not to do as little as possible in hope of preserving it.
Ds understand that item. Obamacare being a prime example.

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

---

FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

---

Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

---

I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

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the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

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I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

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not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

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If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

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Explain how the D's get control of the Senate.

Rs have 1 Senator from a Blue State while D's already have 9 of 14 Senators from swing states. Even rolling back the 1 senator, Ds would need to take two more Senate seats from swing states when they are already close to a historical high (% based) of swing Senate seats.

historically, Ds are more likely to lose one or two Senate seats than gain one or two.

your thinking is borderline crazy.
the entire premise of gaining power is the ability to use it, not to do as little as possible in hope of preserving it.
Ds understand that item. Obamacare being a prime example.

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Dems had control of the Senate 3 years ago. They will have control again sometime in the future

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

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the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

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I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

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not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

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If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

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Explain how the D's get control of the Senate.

Rs have 1 Senator from a Blue State while D's already have 9 of 14 Senators from swing states. Even rolling back the 1 senator, Ds would need to take two more Senate seats from swing states when they are already close to a historical high (% based) of swing Senate seats.

historically, Ds are more likely to lose one or two Senate seats than gain one or two.

your thinking is borderline crazy.
the entire premise of gaining power is the ability to use it, not to do as little as possible in hope of preserving it.
Ds understand that item. Obamacare being a prime example.

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Dems had control of the Senate 3 years ago. They will have control again sometime in the future

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And then they lost every seat they had in Red states……Ohio, Montana, West Virginia……tell us Oh Great Prognosticator which of those seats they win back in this environment.

Surely your great pronouncements have details in support.

The new fight for progressives is not whether it is not the right but rather the top, the oligarchy, Big Corporations. That is our fight. The working, small business, and middle class are tired of all the money flowing to the top in a system rigged by big money in politics to send it to the top. Look at the group at the WH today - oligarchs making policy over which we, the people, have no control that hurts wages, education, and healthcare.

Waco1947 said:

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The new fight for progressives is not whether it is not the right but rather the top, the oligarchy, Big Corporations. That is our fight. The working, small business, and middle class are tired of all the money flowing to the top in a system rigged by big money in politics to send it to the top. Look at the group at the WH today - oligarchs making policy over which we, the people, have no control that hurts wages, education, and healthcare.

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

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I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

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not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

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If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

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Impossible to know....some GOP laws/policies might be so popular that the Democrats could never get all their Senators on board to change it.

I think the Filibuster has its good points....but also I can see a point the argument for removing it.

Filibuster helps create some measure of power for the minority party and hopefully is used to create consensus in the Senate (but that is debatable). It also creates impediments to getting anything done in Congress and a lever for stagnation, dysfunction, partisan gridlock, and legislative inactivity.

Its also not a legislative process set out in the Constitution.

[Senate filibuster was inadvertently created in 1806 when Vice President Aaron Burr suggested the Senate eliminate the "previous question" motion, a rule that allowed a simple majority to end debate. This left the Senate with no formal way to stop unlimited debate, though the tactic wasn't widely used until the mid-19th century, around the 1850s]

Notice that it was not really used until around the 1850s (the hot period leading to the war of 1861). So its use seems to grow in hot partisan times. And its use did not exactly prevent the bloodshed of the 1860s did it.

Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

---

I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

---

not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

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If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

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Impossible to know....some GOP laws/policies might be so popular that the Democrats could never get all their Senators on board to change it.

I think the Filibuster has its good points....but also I can see a point the argument for removing it.

Filibuster helps create some measure of power for the minority party and hopefully is used to create consensus in the Senate (but that is debatable). It also creates impediments to getting anything done in Congress and a lever for stagnation, dysfunction, partisan gridlock, and legislative inactivity.

Its also not a legislative process set out in the Constitution.

[Senate filibuster was inadvertently created in 1806 when Vice President Aaron Burr suggested the Senate eliminate the "previous question" motion, a rule that allowed a simple majority to end debate. This left the Senate with no formal way to stop unlimited debate, though the tactic wasn't widely used until the mid-19th century, around the 1850s]

Notice that it was not really used until around the 1850s (the hot period leading to the war of 1861). So its use seems to grow in hot partisan times. And its use did not exactly prevent the bloodshed of the 1860s did it.

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It is more powerful when you have to pass a budget. The CR gives them an out. It is also more powerful when you make them stand there and talk. It is grueling.

Waco1947 said:

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The new fight for progressives is not whether it is not the right but rather the top, the oligarchy, Big Corporations. That is our fight. The working, small business, and middle class are tired of all the money flowing to the top in a system rigged by big money in politics to send it to the top. Look at the group at the WH today - oligarchs making policy over which we, the people, have no control that hurts wages, education, and healthcare.

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Corporate oligarchs have made their largest gains using big government to destroy their competition.

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Hey libtards, put down a prayer blanket 5 times a day and face New Mecca (NYC). The head of your religion (left/liberalism/socialsim/communism) is there.

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Your pastor and Dale Carnegie would be so proud of you

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

---

FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

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You're just making that up, right??? Because FL knows that the precedence of congress makes things move slow and protects us, our culture has barely changed over the last decade. And if we cross our fingers, nothing will happen. LOL

FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

---

FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

---

Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

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I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

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This is literally one of the saddest statements I've ever read.

Of course they will end the filibuster, the appetite is there. You do realize that the Dems always lie about their true intentions for PR purposes. So some may be saying that they won't end the filibuster while they aren't in powers, but as soon as they are, they will end it as soon as they can if needed. And the press will cover for them. There are no principles on the left, it's like you live on fantasy island and you have a trust in the system that isn't warranted. There is ZERO reason to think that the left will not change things up drastically when they get the opportunity. They won't let the right get in their way. That is always their M.O.

Waco1947 said:

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The new fight for progressives is not whether it is not the right but rather the top, the oligarchy, Big Corporations. That is our fight. The working, small business, and middle class are tired of all the money flowing to the top in a system rigged by big money in politics to send it to the top. Look at the group at the WH today - oligarchs making policy over which we, the people, have no control that hurts wages, education, and healthcare.

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The 2nd dumbest statement in the thread. You are the party of the progressive globalists. You are in fact FOR the large global corporations and financial institutions who profit most of your progressive agenda.

Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

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the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

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I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

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not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

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If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

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that is the countervailing argument. But it has flaws as well - chiefly that we accomplish little, then Dems dump it and add 2 states (4 Dem Senate seats) pack the court, etc.....and rule forever.

the tie breaker? Enact your program. Make your opponent spend his own political capital to undo it. So pass your own health care fix without a single Dem vote if necessary. Pass voter ID laws. Make election day be election day. Outlaw spending of student loan proceeds on anything other than STEM courses (to gut all the marxist "studies" programs. REQUIRE universities to enforce viewpoint diversity in all aspect of operations. Make it illegal for local law enforcement to interfere with federal law enforcement efforts. REQUIRE the census to inquire about citizenship status. Make it illegal to use illegal immigrant totals in apportionment. ( could go on for quite a while with this list).

Enact a revolutionary agenda and make the Democrats spend the next decade trying to undo it. Make them spend all their time undoing your agenda, rather than enacting their own. That's what they do. They did it with Obamacare. And look at how it has hamstrung us for over a decade. it's a massive failure, and yet the table is set in such a way that we bear the obligation to fix it rather than trash it.

(Bushies go apoplectic in 3...2....1....)

This particular line of thinking is where moderates are so out of touch with reality that they are arguably the worst part of the problem. They'll let Dems do anything, and then prevent conservatives from doing anything.

whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

---

I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

---

not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

---

If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

---

that is the countervailing argument. But it has flaws as well - chiefly that we accomplish little, then Dems dump it and add 2 states (4 Dem Senate seats) pack the court, etc.....and rule forever.

the tie breaker? Enact your program. Make your opponent spend his own political capital to undo it. So pass your own health care fix without a single Dem vote if necessary. Pass voter ID laws. Make election day be election day. Outlaw spending of student loan proceeds on anything other than STEM courses (to gut all the marxist "studies" programs. REQUIRE universities to enforce viewpoint diversity in all aspect of operations. Make it illegal for local law enforcement to interfere with federal law enforcement efforts. REQUIRE the census to inquire about citizenship status. Make it illegal to use illegal immigrant totals in apportionment. ( could go on for quite a while with this list).

Enact a revolutionary agenda and make the Democrats spend the next decade trying to undo it. Make them spend all their time undoing your agenda, rather than enacting their own. That's what they do. They did it with Obamacare. And look at how it has hamstrung us for over a decade. it's a massive failure, and yet the table is set in such a way that we bear the obligation to fix it rather than trash it.

(Bushies go apoplectic in 3...2....1....)

This particular line of thinking is where moderates are so out of touch with reality that they are arguably the worst part of the problem. They'll let Dems do anything, and then prevent conservatives from doing anything.

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Whiterock, you are spot on. We have to pass the laws that we can, and generally speaking they will be popular with working Americans. If they undo them, then they will need to spend the political capital to do so. And we know that if conservatives are blocking the lib agenda, the libs will do away with the filibuster - why, because the damage the left intends to do cannot be easily undone. There is no coming back from amnesty, insecure elections, additional left leaning states, additional justices, etc.

Moderates always fight to lose in the name of being level headed. The truth is they are scared. They should be, but it's not Maga they should fear. The choice for sane America is to fight to win long term, or to stall and lose near term.

Moderates will always choose to lose to the Dems ... the real reason is they are programmed by the same people programming the leftists. They feel better calling themselves moderate. Makes them feel enlightened, and they just can't think through this issue reasonably. It's also why most are suffering from TDS to varying degrees.

Waco1947 said:

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The new fight for progressives is not whether it is not the right but rather the top, the oligarchy, Big Corporations. That is our fight. The working, small business, and middle class are tired of all the money flowing to the top in a system rigged by big money in politics to send it to the top. Look at the group at the WH today - oligarchs making policy over which we, the people, have no control that hurts wages, education, and healthcare.

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This reminds me that I'd do well to invest more in Kimberly-Clark.

Frank Galvin said:

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ScottS said:

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Hey libtards, put down a prayer blanket 5 times a day and face New Mecca (NYC). The head of your religion (left/liberalism/socialsim/communism) is there.

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Your pastor and Dale Carnegie would be so proud of you

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Oi ! there Mr. Arian Nation! pathetic.

whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

---

FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

---

Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

---

I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

---

I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

---

not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

---

If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

---

that is the countervailing argument. But it has flaws as well - chiefly that we accomplish little, then Dems dump it and add 2 states (4 Dem Senate seats) pack the court, etc.....and rule forever.

the tie breaker? Enact your program. Make your opponent spend his own political capital to undo it. So pass your own health care fix without a single Dem vote if necessary. Pass voter ID laws. Make election day be election day. Outlaw spending of student loan proceeds on anything other than STEM courses (to gut all the marxist "studies" programs. REQUIRE universities to enforce viewpoint diversity in all aspect of operations. Make it illegal for local law enforcement to interfere with federal law enforcement efforts. REQUIRE the census to inquire about citizenship status. Make it illegal to use illegal immigrant totals in apportionment. ( could go on for quite a while with this list).

Enact a revolutionary agenda and make the Democrats spend the next decade trying to undo it. Make them spend all their time undoing your agenda, rather than enacting their own. That's what they do. They did it with Obamacare. And look at how it has hamstrung us for over a decade. it's a massive failure, and yet the table is set in such a way that we bear the obligation to fix it rather than trash it.

(Bushies go apoplectic in 3...2....1....)

This particular line of thinking is where moderates are so out of touch with reality that they are arguably the worst part of the problem. They'll let Dems do anything, and then prevent conservatives from doing anything.

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Yeah, they added 2 states and packed the SC last time? Need to stop operating drom a position of fear. Just govern and take the normal person into consideration, not just big business and the wealthy.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Osodecentx said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

---

FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

---

Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

---

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

---

I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

---

the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

---

I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

---

not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

---

If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

---

that is the countervailing argument. But it has flaws as well - chiefly that we accomplish little, then Dems dump it and add 2 states (4 Dem Senate seats) pack the court, etc.....and rule forever.

the tie breaker? Enact your program. Make your opponent spend his own political capital to undo it. So pass your own health care fix without a single Dem vote if necessary. Pass voter ID laws. Make election day be election day. Outlaw spending of student loan proceeds on anything other than STEM courses (to gut all the marxist "studies" programs. REQUIRE universities to enforce viewpoint diversity in all aspect of operations. Make it illegal for local law enforcement to interfere with federal law enforcement efforts. REQUIRE the census to inquire about citizenship status. Make it illegal to use illegal immigrant totals in apportionment. ( could go on for quite a while with this list).

Enact a revolutionary agenda and make the Democrats spend the next decade trying to undo it. Make them spend all their time undoing your agenda, rather than enacting their own. That's what they do. They did it with Obamacare. And look at how it has hamstrung us for over a decade. it's a massive failure, and yet the table is set in such a way that we bear the obligation to fix it rather than trash it.

(Bushies go apoplectic in 3...2....1....)

This particular line of thinking is where moderates are so out of touch with reality that they are arguably the worst part of the problem. They'll let Dems do anything, and then prevent conservatives from doing anything.

---

Whiterock, you are spot on. We have to pass the laws that we can, and generally speaking they will be popular with working Americans. If they undo them, then they will need to spend the political capital to do so. And we know that if conservatives are blocking the lib agenda, the libs will do away with the filibuster - why, because the damage the left intends to do cannot be easily undone. There is no coming back from amnesty, insecure elections, additional left leaning states, additional justices, etc.

Moderates always fight to lose in the name of being level headed. The truth is they are scared. They should be, but it's not Maga they should fear. The choice for sane America is to fight to win long term, or to stall and lose near term.

Moderates will always choose to lose to the Dems ... the real reason is they are programmed by the same people programming the leftists. They feel better calling themselves moderate. Makes them feel enlightened, and they just can't think through this issue reasonably. It's also why most are suffering from TDS to varying degrees.

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No, it is the people that think politics are a "win or lose" game that are the problem. Knee-jerk reactions with no thought of future ramifications to "win". Emotional policy makers are the most dangerous, to top it off you guys are usually the loudest. You keep forgetting that the other 50% are American's too and their opinions and votes count just as much as yours, even if you disagree. There is no winning or losing, it is getting things done that need to be done.

Get off the political spectrum addiction, there are no left, no right only Americans. We need health care solved just like with need the border resolved. The problem doesn't go away because it is left or right. In other words, grow up. Solve the f-ing problems and quit with the name calling

Waco1947 said:

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The new fight for progressives is not whether it is not the right but rather the top, the oligarchy, Big Corporations. That is our fight. The working, small business, and middle class are tired of all the money flowing to the top in a system rigged by big money in politics to send it to the top. Look at the group at the WH today - oligarchs making policy over which we, the people, have no control that hurts wages, education, and healthcare.

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You actually made a sensible post. But see, one of the many problems I have with democrats is that if they see corruption from the rich at the top resulting in a lot of struggling poor people, they don't really try to fix the corruption, they're answer is to tax everyone who makes a lot of money, corrupt or not, and use the money for programs to help all the poor people, victim of that corruption or not. Instead of dealing with the primary problem they try to countervail the effect, ironically by stealing from everyone else. And that only makes things worse for those poor people, because it creates dependency for generations. And why don't the democrats fix the main problem of the corrupt rich? Because they are their donors too.

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

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the point is, Dems threatened to do it under Biden, and are threatening to do it again at first opportunity. Yes, threats are sometimes just pandering. But if you pander long enough and hard enough, you find boys showering with girls in public schools, conservatives being shot for daring to be debate with progressives, and Marxists winning elections in NYC. At. Some. Point. a party has to attend to the expectations of its base. It'd be very wise to take them at their word. As Elwood Blues would say, they're on a mission from God.

Under this plan laid out by Carville -- After they pack the Supreme Court and add 2 new states and 4 new Democrat Senators -- they will pass mass amnesty and citizenship for all 30 million Illegal Aliens.

We have to end the Filibuster rule now.pic.twitter.com/AYilWBxwPB

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) November 10, 2025

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I get it. They already went nuclear once in the Senate.

So far, there does not seem to be an appetite on either side to do it. IMO, the Filibuster is one of the last things keeping us from being a Banana Republic.

We do agree on their mission. GOP has a choice. Do they keep beating the down with clubs or offer an alternative. At least in Florida, the alternative is winning. Areas that have been blue for decades have gone red in South Florida. The Healthcare issue is going to be the new abortion if the GOP doesn't come up with something. Lectures aren't going to do it.

There will have to be some move to a tiered approach of mixed open to taxpayers and pay for premium service. Maybe not socialized, but similar to SS or Medicare for families. It is getting bad, we have too many not getting medical care when it can be inexpensive to treat and then showing up in the ER with full blown disease. It is just good politics to have an alternative before killing an existing program, even a bad program.

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not sure your assessment about Dem appetite is correct. I recently saw (but did not retain link to) a collage photo of all the social media posts by Dem Senators calling to end the filibuster. They're approaching, if not beyond, a majority of their caucus. And their political base is united behind the idea.

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If GOP does away with the filibuster, what laws could they pass that Democrats couldn't repeal as soon as they take charge?
Keep the filibuster

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that is the countervailing argument. But it has flaws as well - chiefly that we accomplish little, then Dems dump it and add 2 states (4 Dem Senate seats) pack the court, etc.....and rule forever.

the tie breaker? Enact your program. Make your opponent spend his own political capital to undo it. So pass your own health care fix without a single Dem vote if necessary. Pass voter ID laws. Make election day be election day. Outlaw spending of student loan proceeds on anything other than STEM courses (to gut all the marxist "studies" programs. REQUIRE universities to enforce viewpoint diversity in all aspect of operations. Make it illegal for local law enforcement to interfere with federal law enforcement efforts. REQUIRE the census to inquire about citizenship status. Make it illegal to use illegal immigrant totals in apportionment. ( could go on for quite a while with this list).

Enact a revolutionary agenda and make the Democrats spend the next decade trying to undo it. Make them spend all their time undoing your agenda, rather than enacting their own. That's what they do. They did it with Obamacare. And look at how it has hamstrung us for over a decade. it's a massive failure, and yet the table is set in such a way that we bear the obligation to fix it rather than trash it.

(Bushies go apoplectic in 3...2....1....)

This particular line of thinking is where moderates are so out of touch with reality that they are arguably the worst part of the problem. They'll let Dems do anything, and then prevent conservatives from doing anything.

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Yeah, they added 2 states and packed the SC last time? Need to stop operating drom a position of fear. Just govern and take the normal person into consideration, not just big business and the wealthy.

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They walked right up to the threshold, then BIden publicly announced he would not sign the bill.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/democrats-introduce-bill-expand-supreme-court-9-13-justices-n1264132

He even formed a commission to study "reforms."
https://verdict.justia.com/2024/07/30/joe-bidens-court-reform-journey-still-stops-short-of-court-packing

The idea that Democrats would never do it is beyond unserious.

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So, let's discuss. Ok, the Filibuster is gone. Are we doing away with elections so we don't have to worry about the Dems anymore? Changing the voting so the GOP will always win? How are you going to ensure when the Dems get in power they just undo everything and do their thing?

It is a no win. Neither side should do away with the Filibuster. It is there for a reason. Your whole post leaves out one little fact, they DIDN'T. Biden didn't sign it. The Commission didn't recommend it. They didn't pack the Supreme Court. All those things didn't happen. But, that warrants the GOP to blow it up?

Actually, one could make the arguement that McConnell and Trump packed the Supreme Court more than the Dems did.