Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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It's amazing trying to understand the mind set of a MAGA. They espouse strong Christian views yet they want to deny everything in society that Christ's teachings defended.

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Leaving your basic point to be debated for another theme about Christianity….You really have to at the fact that MAGA is not a exclusive movement that is just for Christians

America (and the entire Western world) is rapidly secularizing.

So the post religious right makes up an increasing part of MAGA. (As the post religious left does on the other side)

Trump (like Clinton) is an example of a guy who did lot to to church much during his life.

That is a growing faction on all sides…the "nones"

The average MAGA voter you hate is a working class male who hardline goes to church at all and has low levels of religious practice.

Secularization rose exponentially between 1990 and 2020. Now, it's slowing significantly.

That's a really big deal.

Religious attendance among Millennials and Gen Z looks identical.

Religious importance only differs by about five percentage points. pic.twitter.com/p2l0I2LAt3

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) September 29, 2024

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

---

I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

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Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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Waco1947 said:

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I had a conversation with a friend, and I said that I was glad for' Mamdani's election, to which my friend said, "We have to get rid of the Muslim."

Racism runs deep in the USA.

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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Wouldn't that bother any true conservative?

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

---

I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

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No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

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Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

---

I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

---

Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

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The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

---

I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

---

Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

---

The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

---

I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

---

Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

---

The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

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If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

---

I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

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Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

---

Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

---

The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

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If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

---

The speculative crap you just said or the laws and rules that gave kept us free for 250 years? i will go with our rules and laws. There is always speculation of others acts to to go rogue, not giving in is the harder choice. Do the hard thing because it is right. if you cant hack it, i get it. It is hard to do, so much easier to give in and think you know better.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

---

Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

---

Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

---

The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

---

If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

---

The speculative crap you just said or the laws and rules that gave kept us free for 250 years? i will go with our rules and laws. There is always speculation of others acts to to go rogue, not giving in is the harder choice. Do the hard thing because it is right. if you cant hack it, i get it. It is hard to do, so much easier to give in and think you know better.

---

Does you ever re read your posts ?

This one is so full of crap I am surprised you pushed the 'done' button .

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

---

I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

---

Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

---

The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

---

If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

---

The speculative crap you just said or the laws and rules that gave kept us free for 250 years? i will go with our rules and laws. There is always speculation of others acts to to go rogue, not giving in is the harder choice. Do the hard thing because it is right. if you cant hack it, i get it. It is hard to do, so much easier to give in and think you know better.

---

Does you ever re read your posts ?

This one is so full of crap I am surprised you pushed the 'done' button .

---

Well, coming from Mr multiple homes, travelling the world, set apart any rules for what you want. I feel real good that you don't get it. Means I am on the right track.

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

---

I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

---

Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

---

The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

---

If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

---

The speculative crap you just said or the laws and rules that gave kept us free for 250 years? i will go with our rules and laws. There is always speculation of others acts to to go rogue, not giving in is the harder choice. Do the hard thing because it is right. if you cant hack it, i get it. It is hard to do, so much easier to give in and think you know better.

---

Does you ever re read your posts ?

This one is so full of crap I am surprised you pushed the 'done' button .

---

Well, coming from Mr multiple homes, travelling the world, set apart any rules for what you want. I feel real good that you don't get it. Means I am on the right track.

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You are not on any track.
Merely bumbling around.

Slow down and resist the urge to post something goofy.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

---

I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

---

Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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whiterock said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA Democrats is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi any of them.

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FIFY

Democrats call anyone who disagrees with them fascists, enemies of democracy, etc.....

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Yawn...

Do away with the Filibuster. Kill ACA. Follow Trump's lead on killing all Govt assistance. Pack the Court. See how that works out for the GOP.

Trump demands voting changes hours after major Democratic wins - Newsweek

Yeah, doesn't fit MAGA. Better warm up, gonna need it for gymnastics you are going to have to do to make this stuff kosher for the average American.

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It's not unreasonable to propose killing the filibuster now, given that a super-majority of Dems are demanding it. Would be a pre-emptive move.

It's not unreasonable to propose killing the ACA, given that it is an utter failure, i.e. it takes subsidies of several thousand dollars PER PERSON to keep it alive. You pose elsewhere as a deficit hawk, so how can you suport the ACA?

It's not unreasonable to follow law on SNAP payments during a shutdown, to include not providing funds to illegal aliens. It's the Dems who've played fast & loose on this (and so many more) issue.

It's not unreasonable to talk about packing SCOTUS as long as Democrats support doing it and half-assed tried to do it last go around.

I'm not on bord for most of that, but I can at least see they are important questions of the day. You would too, if you'c come join us in the real world.

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I agree. None of it is unreasonable. IF there are replacements for the people to actually do better. But, there isn't. It is crickets, except how bad things are and we are going to make them either more expensive or kill em. So, it is back to the ER for healthcare. That is not an answer, not matter how reasonable you think it is. It is a loser.

Killing the Filibuster would be a disaster. It would open the flood gates to packing the courts, huge swings in policy, and take away any check or balance. It is a horrible short sighted "solution"

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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Wouldn't that bother any true conservative?

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Not any more. If only one side plays by the rules, then there is no point in playing by them.

Republicans are a strange bunch. Democrats will mindlessly vote for whomever the party puts on their ballots but Republicans will go through a list of 48 reasons as to why they cannot vote for the Republican candidate - thereby ensuring that the Democrat wins.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

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Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

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No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

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Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

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The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

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If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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Wouldn't that bother any true conservative?

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Not any more. If only one side plays by the rules, then there is no point in playing by them.

Republicans are a strange bunch. Democrats will mindlessly vote for whomever the party puts on their ballots but Republicans will go through a list of 48 reasons as to why they cannot vote for the Republican candidate - thereby ensuring that the Democrat wins.

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Then you're not a conservative.

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Porteroso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

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Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

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No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

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Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

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The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

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If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

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Progressives have not taken over the DNC yet. The fight for that party will get much bigger before we see a winner. They are desperate to appease the progressives, they have to be, otherwise lose more and more seats to them, but the number of true ultra lefties in Congress is still very low.

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Frank Galvin said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Porteroso said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

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I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

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So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

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Wouldn't that bother any true conservative?

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Not any more. If only one side plays by the rules, then there is no point in playing by them.

Republicans are a strange bunch. Democrats will mindlessly vote for whomever the party puts on their ballots but Republicans will go through a list of 48 reasons as to why they cannot vote for the Republican candidate - thereby ensuring that the Democrat wins.

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Couldn't be further from the truth. Republicans vote for whoever Orange Jesus says to vote for.

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Porteroso said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I don't hate anyone. I just disagree

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I think you missed the question:

What is the mindset of MAGA? Can you share?

I feel like it is one of those bogeymen that you can use as a strawman but really cannot define.

BTW - so you can disagree with someone and it does not mean you "hate" them? Interesting ...

---

I will take a shot...


My issue with MAGA is that their actions seem to reflect:

1 - the "ends justifies the means",
2 - might makes right, and teamed with
3 - an Authoritarian approach, they can do what they want no checks, no balances

That is what bothers me, just watch Bannon and listen to Stephen Miller or Pam Bondi.

---

So it bugs you when Republicans govern the way Democrats govern.

---

This is always the response I get. "What about..."

No, it bugs me when EITHER side governs this way. Right now, the GOP is in power, so that is what I discuss. When the Dem's held the power, I discussed them. To complain about 2021 in 2025 seems counterproductive to me.

My turn to ask a question, so you don't think there is a level of conduct that both Parties should adhere, it is OK for an elected group to do whatever the other Party did, even if it is wrong? Interesting...

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Even if it is wrong? First there is a big difference between it being wrong vs it being not ideal.

Being in a war is not necessarily wrong, though we'd usually it's not ideal.

The premise that our practices stay in "ideal" mode while we're at war to save the American way of life is utter nonsense.

You either don't understand how close the US is to falling off the socialist cliff or you don't care enough to fight the tide. You'll cry about the only people trying to reverse course. It's a defeatist mentality. And you can pretend that Maga is the prob, but Repubs were defeated until Trump came along. Only one with the backbone and charisma to fight the progressive globalists. Defeat is more palpable to you than fighting back.

---

No, your's is an ends justifies the means attitude. As last Tuesday shows you, the current situation and power system NEVER stays constant. You start messing with the system that is designed to resist fast change and it will bite you in the ass worse when the powers switch, which they will.

Moves like wanting to get rid of the filibuster, use of the military, executive power, and tariff's ALL have the potential to be used like Biden tried to just 3 years ago. You want to give them the path to really creating Socialism keep pushing to allow the President the power Trump wants. Defeatist? Maybe you need to grow up and understand how US power works. All this will come back, in spades if you push your "winners" mentality...

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Tuesday - Dems won where they were expected to win. Big whoop. Other than Trump himself, that's typically the case.

Machiavellian - not exactly. The repubs aren't needlessly killing people, aren't breaking the rule of law. They are trying to change the system, from within the system. As for the ends justifying the means, if there is nothing immoral about the means then what is your point, other than yes, there is a risk that it will come back to haunt us ... so what, most of us paying attention see what's happening to our fellow Westerners when you don't fight back against the progressive globalists. You create a dystopia where there is no return. Brother you're lost in fear, not recognizing that the war has already found you and our country, the option is to fight back and make progress. Holding ground doesn't work.

So again, the option are to fight the progressive globalist (Democrat) party in America by all reasonable (not necessarily ideal) means necessary or give in. The demographics in this country favor the takers continuing to take.
In your example, the next Dem majority will end the filibuster to get their way. You know this, but you want to hope that they won't.
And yes we know it can come back on us. The risk - fight now, and have it perhaps come back on us later. Or do nothing, and have it roll over us when Dems gain control. The end result is potentially the same. But fighting hard now gives us a chance to set things up so it's hard for the globalists to take back what we gain.
Your plan is to count on the Dems to magically change their m.o. - they won't. That's fairy and unicorn hope, nothing more.

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The part you keep overlooking in Government is precedent. It is a powerful weapon, it is the only thing keeping the Supreme Court from being packed. It is the only thing that gives the minority party any hope. Precedent keeps from the things that impact BOTH sides when not in power. You start crossing that line, the Country ceases to exist. The Constitution and the process has kept us going for 250 years, don't let one bad cycle undo the Senate, the Supreme Court and remake the Executive Branch. That is bigger than the particulars you are *****ing about.

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If you think that precedent in congress will keep the Dems from changing the rules, you're living in fantasy land. The courts are a different matter, but some precedents are wrong. And if it's not obvious, Democrat elected justices will rule in favor of anything progressive, regardless of precedent. You're living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist anymore. The UK and Canada as you grew up with them don't exist anymore either. We're not far behind. The biggest threat to america is progressivism. It will not stop until it turns the country into a cesspool. Precedent isn't going to stop that, only conservatives winning elections and fighting back.

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Progressives have not taken over the DNC yet. The fight for that party will get much bigger before we see a winner. They are desperate to appease the progressives, they have to be, otherwise lose more and more seats to them, but the number of true ultra lefties in Congress is still very low.

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