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Too many people believe someone does.

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What percentage of college professors are conservative Republicans?

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

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Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

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Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

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just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

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Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

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Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

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You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

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Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

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' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

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That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

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Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

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Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

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Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

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Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

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Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

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it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

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If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

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So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

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Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

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Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

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just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

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Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

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Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

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You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

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Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

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' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

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That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

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Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

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Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

---

Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

---

Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

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Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

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it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

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If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

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So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

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Not willing to pay for health care for illegals.

Not willing to pay towards your health insurance.

Everyone should pay their own way.

Dems are shutting down the government….no one else.

FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

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Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

---

Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

---

Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

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Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

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it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

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If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

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So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

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Democrat talking points, wildly at odds with your consistent demand for balanced budgets.

a) Democrats are demanding to spend $1.5T over the 2025 Biden budget (which has a $1.8T deficit) in order to extend a problem (the exploding Obamacre subsidy) created by Democrat policy (Obamacare) rather than to fix either the subsidy problem or the Obamacare problem.
b) Republicans are demanding to extend the 2025 Biden budget which has a $1.8T deficit and negotiate the solutions to the Obamacare problem separately.

You constantly beat up on Trump for not having already balanced the federal budget, yet here you are blaming Republicans for shutting down the government for trying to cut all/part of $1.5T worth of federal deficit. Yet, if they agreed to spend that extra $1.5T to stop the shutdown, you'd blame them for not doing anything to cut the deficit.


Can you not see how intellectually disingenuous you're being here (while pretending to be a conservative)?

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KaiBear said:

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

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Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

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Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

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just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

---

Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

---

Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

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You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

---

Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

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' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

---

That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

---

Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

---

Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

---

Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

---

Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

---

Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

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it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

---

If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

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So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

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am genuinely curious.

Do you think Trump is keeping the government shut down or are you just trolling?

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Dems must be so stupid to revolt and vote against this regime.

Fun fact, easy to find. For the last 20 or so years, voters with an education beyond high school are more likely to vote dem. The opposite is also true. The less education a voter has the more likely they are to vote Repub.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-race-ethnicity-and-education/


https://www.americansurveycenter.org/short-reads/a-college-educated-


party/https://www.americansurveycenter.org/short-reads/a-college-educated-party/


https://www.npr.org/2024/10/22/nx-s1-5155899/why-education-is-becoming-a-bigger-divide-in-politics

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It's true that Dems are composed of the privileged ivory tower upper class educated white folk (mostly women) on one end of the spectrum - and then the uneducated poor minority welfare state on the other end of the spectrum. Whereas conservatives tend to be normal, solid, family values types - many working class - who see the craziness of liberal policies and revolt against them.

I'd take the latter any day of the week. Educated, on one hand, and wise or moral, on the other, are two very different things.

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

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Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

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Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

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just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

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Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

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Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

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You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

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Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

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' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

---

That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

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Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

---

Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

---

Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

---

Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

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Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

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it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

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If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

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So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

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Not willing to pay for health care for illegals.

Not willing to pay towards your health insurance.

Everyone should pay their own way.

Dems are shutting down the government….no one else.

---

Trump disagrees with you.





Do you think he was lying then or lying now?

slurp

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

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Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

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Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

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just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

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Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

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Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

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You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

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Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

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' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

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That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

---

Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

---

Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

---

Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

---

Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

---

Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

---

it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

---

If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

---

So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

---

Not willing to pay for health care for illegals.

Not willing to pay towards your health insurance.

Everyone should pay their own way.

Dems are shutting down the government….no one else.

---

Trump disagrees with you.





Do you think he was lying then or lying now?

slurp

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Who controls the passage of the CR?

Who voted for? Who voted against?

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

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Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

---

Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

---

just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

---

Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

---

Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

---

You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

---

Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

---

' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

---

That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

---

Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

---

Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

---

Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

---

Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

---

Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

---

it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

---

If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

---

So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

---

Not willing to pay for health care for illegals.

Not willing to pay towards your health insurance.

Everyone should pay their own way.

Dems are shutting down the government….no one else.

---

Trump disagrees with you.





Do you think he was lying then or lying now?

slurp

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Your opinions mean nothing to me.

You want open borders.

You want legal heroin, meth, LSD, and cocaine.

Don't care about the impact of such destructive policies because you live in Asia.

Merely a full on narcissist.

KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

---

Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

---

Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

---

just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

---

Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

---

Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

---

You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

---

Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

---

' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

---

That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

---

Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

---

Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

---

Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

---

Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

---

Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

---

it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

---

If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

---

So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

---

Not willing to pay for health care for illegals.

Not willing to pay towards your health insurance.

Everyone should pay their own way.

Dems are shutting down the government….no one else.

---

illegals? what are u talking about. the current law doesn't allow that now and the proposed doesn't either. no one is saying to give illegals health coverage. Are you saying deny them emergency care? Car wreck and it is an illegal let them bleed out? wow, dude. That is harsh. Can they give them pain meds for the compound fracture? Can they pay cash for a tylenol?

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FLBear5630 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

---

Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

---

Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

---

just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

---

Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

---

Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

---

You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

---

Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

---

' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

---

That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

---

Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

---

Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

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Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

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Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

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Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

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it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

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If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

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So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

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Not willing to pay for health care for illegals.

Not willing to pay towards your health insurance.

Everyone should pay their own way.

Dems are shutting down the government….no one else.

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illegals? what are u talking about. the current law doesn't allow that now and the proposed doesn't either. no one is saying to give illegals health coverage. Are you saying deny them emergency care? Car wreck and it is an illegal let them bleed out? wow, dude. That is harsh. Can they give them pain meds for the compound fracture? Can they pay cash for a tylenol?

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Not surprised you cannot answer the question, but I'll ask again:

am genuinely curious.

Do you think Trump is keeping the government shut down or are you just trolling?

It's uncanny how simple questions always are Kryptonite to the TDSers.

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

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Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

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Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

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just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

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Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

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Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

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You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

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Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

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' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

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That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

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Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

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Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

---

Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

---

Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

---

Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

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it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

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If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

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So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

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Not willing to pay for health care for illegals.

Not willing to pay towards your health insurance.

Everyone should pay their own way.

Dems are shutting down the government….no one else.

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illegals? what are u talking about. the current law doesn't allow that now and the proposed doesn't either. no one is saying to give illegals health coverage. Are you saying deny them emergency care? Car wreck and it is an illegal let them bleed out? wow, dude. That is harsh. Can they give them pain meds for the compound fracture? Can they pay cash for a tylenol?

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am genuinely curious.

Do you think Trump is keeping the government shut down or are you just trolling?

Trump said a shut down is always the president's fault.

Do you believe what he said then or what he says now? Which of his statements should we believe?

" What percentage of college professors are conservative Republicans?"

And just what is your definition of "conservative Republican "?

BUDOS said:

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" What percentage of college professors are conservative Republicans?"

And just what is your definition of "conservative Republican "?

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I would be open to multiple data points:
- Identify as a member of the Republican party
- Voted for the Republican presidential candidate in the last presidential election
- Supports small federal government, federalism, lowest federal taxes as possible, maximum freedomen
- Identifies as a "conservative" and participates in conservative political groups
- Actively participates in Republican or conservative political activities

(This is the part where you duck and run)

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Trump said a shut down is always the president's fault.

Do you believe what he said then or what he says now? Which of his statements should we believe?

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Schumer said the shutdown is always the Senate's fault.

Do you believe what he said then or what he says now? Which of his statements should we believe?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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BUDOS said:

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" What percentage of college professors are conservative Republicans?"

And just what is your definition of "conservative Republican "?

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I would be open to multiple data points:
- Identify as a member of the Republican party
- Voted for the Republican presidential candidate in the last presidential election
- Supports small federal government, federalism, lowest federal taxes as possible, maximum freedomen
- Identifies as a "conservative" and participates in conservative political groups
- Actively participates in Republican or conservative political activities

(This is the part where you duck and run)

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In other words:

-Party loyalty
-Party loyalty
-Opposition to Trump policies
-Subjective "conservative" identity
-Party loyalty

So...is there anything about being a RINO that you don't like?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Trump said a shut down is always the president's fault.

Do you believe what he said then or what he says now? Which of his statements should we believe?

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Schumer said the shutdown is always the Senate's fault.

Do you believe what he said then or what he says now? Which of his statements should we believe?

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I couldnt find the him saying that but it doesnt matter. I have never voted for him nor will I now. I dont believe he is an honest man. I think he is more of a party man more for concern for the Dem organization than for the American people.

So I have shown you Trump contradicting himself. He lies. How can one tell when he is sincerely trying to lead America or just trying to flex his power?

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

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Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

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it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

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If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

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So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

---

Not willing to pay for health care for illegals.

Not willing to pay towards your health insurance.

Everyone should pay their own way.

Dems are shutting down the government….no one else.

---

illegals? what are u talking about. the current law doesn't allow that now and the proposed doesn't either. no one is saying to give illegals health coverage. Are you saying deny them emergency care? Car wreck and it is an illegal let them bleed out? wow, dude. That is harsh. Can they give them pain meds for the compound fracture? Can they pay cash for a tylenol?

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Very obtuse argument. Biden used prosecutorial discretion to pardon millions of people who crossed our borders illegally. Yes, they are illegals - they crossed our border illegally and have not a shred of legal basis to claim asylum. But because the Biden admin chose to parole rather than summarily return them, they now have legal status for the 40 or so years they will have to wait for their turn to have an asylum hearing. Trump is slogging thru the courts trying to overturn the Biden's XOs granting them parole and send them back, but it's slow-going. In the meantime, they are getting a wide range of state & federal assistance.

Meanwhile, blue states are suing to prevent Trump from trying to clean up the SNAP rolls (because it would shine light on how many illegals are getting federal assistance).

https://apnews.com/article/immigration-deportation-snap-trump-usda-8da2d74038ede32b65059f96c07a50ef

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Trump said a shut down is always the president's fault.

Do you believe what he said then or what he says now? Which of his statements should we believe?

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Schumer said the shutdown is always the Senate's fault.

Do you believe what he said then or what he says now? Which of his statements should we believe?

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I couldnt find the him saying that but it doesnt matter. I have never voted for him nor will I now. I dont believe he is an honest man. I think he is more of a party man more for concern for the Dem organization than for the American people.

So I have shown you Trump contradicting himself. He lies. How can one tell when he is sincerely trying to lead America or just trying to flex his power?

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What party voted for the Continuing Resolution to fund the government?

What party used the filibuster to oppose it?

What party is defunding the government?

Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BUDOS said:

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" What percentage of college professors are conservative Republicans?"

And just what is your definition of "conservative Republican "?

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I would be open to multiple data points:
- Identify as a member of the Republican party
- Voted for the Republican presidential candidate in the last presidential election
- Supports small federal government, federalism, lowest federal taxes as possible, maximum freedomen
- Identifies as a "conservative" and participates in conservative political groups
- Actively participates in Republican or conservative political activities

(This is the part where you duck and run)

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In other words:

-Party loyalty
-Party loyalty
-Opposition to Trump policies
-Subjective "conservative" identity
-Party loyalty

So...is there anything about being a RINO that you don't like?

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I know you're kind of a rheghard, but I will try and explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

"Republican" is a political party. Some political parties in American include Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, etc. These are by definition organizations that nominate and run candidates for office, create party platforms, raise money for candidates, etc. They are by definition organizations with memberships.

For one to be identified as a member of said party, one must support said party. Otherwise, one is a member of another party or an independent. So yes, being identified as a member of a political party involves supporting said political party.

Now go back to believing the Jews are the root of all evil and their are walking corpses in Gaza and Hamas is just a political party. And put on another rona mask today for good measure.

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

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Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

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Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

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just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

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Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

---

Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

---

You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

---

Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

---

' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

---

That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

---

Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

---

Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

---

Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

---

Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

---

Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

---

it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

---

If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

---

So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

---

Not willing to pay for health care for illegals.

Not willing to pay towards your health insurance.

Everyone should pay their own way.

Dems are shutting down the government….no one else.

---

illegals? what are u talking about. the current law doesn't allow that now and the proposed doesn't either. no one is saying to give illegals health coverage. Are you saying deny them emergency care? Car wreck and it is an illegal let them bleed out? wow, dude. That is harsh. Can they give them pain meds for the compound fracture? Can they pay cash for a tylenol?

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In many cases our emergency rooms have been overwhelmed by illegals. To the detriment of US citizens who have legitimate emergency related health needs.

And these illegals routinely use emergency rooms for routine issues….not life threatening in any way.

And it is the American taxpayers who pay for it all of course.

By the way ask anyone who works at an ER.

They will set you straight.

Harrison , as I recall, you stated the following in your earlier post:

"I would be open to multiple data points:
- Identify as a member of the Republican party
- Voted for the Republican presidential candidate in the last presidential election
- Supports small federal government, federalism, lowest federal taxes as possible, maximum freedomen
- Identifies as a "conservative" and participates in conservative political groups
- Actively participates in Republican or conservative political activities

(This is the part where you duck and run)"

Why would I duck and run?

Although a conservative, I am a moderate conservative. By definition, a moderate conservative is an individual who holds conservative political views but is more pragmatic or less rigid than staunch conservatives, sometimes supporting a more centrist approach to specific issues. These individuals may agree with core conservative principles like a strong national defense and free markets but might also support more moderate positions on issues or compromise with opposing political parties. They represent a blend of traditional conservative beliefs with a more flexible or pragmatic approach to policy and governance.

So, IMO, we are both conservatives, just to different degrees. As such, while we may agree on some things, we disagree on others, and on some of those we disagree, it may be that we both initially agree with the overall concept, but not with the details. I don't think either of us need to duck and run. Especially since the January 6th event, I have not been as Republican; however, I have remained a moderate conservative.
As we have both witnessed, some appear to have problems wrapping their heads around that.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BUDOS said:

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" What percentage of college professors are conservative Republicans?"

And just what is your definition of "conservative Republican "?

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I would be open to multiple data points:
- Identify as a member of the Republican party
- Voted for the Republican presidential candidate in the last presidential election
- Supports small federal government, federalism, lowest federal taxes as possible, maximum freedomen
- Identifies as a "conservative" and participates in conservative political groups
- Actively participates in Republican or conservative political activities

(This is the part where you duck and run)

---

In other words:

-Party loyalty
-Party loyalty
-Opposition to Trump policies
-Subjective "conservative" identity
-Party loyalty

So...is there anything about being a RINO that you don't like?

---

I know you're kind of a rheghard, but I will try and explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

"Republican" is a political party. Some political parties in American include Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, etc. These are by definition organizations that nominate and run candidates for office, create party platforms, raise money for candidates, etc. They are by definition organizations with memberships.

For one to be identified as a member of said party, one must support said party. Otherwise, one is a member of another party or an independent. So yes, being identified as a member of a political party involves supporting said political party.

Now go back to believing the Jews are the root of all evil and their are walking corpses in Gaza and Hamas is just a political party. And put on another rona mask today for good measure.

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I guess you didn't read the question: what is your definition of conservative Republican?

BUDOS answered, you ducked and ran.

BUDOS said:

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Harrison , as I recall, you stated the following in your earlier post:

"I would be open to multiple data points:
- Identify as a member of the Republican party
- Voted for the Republican presidential candidate in the last presidential election
- Supports small federal government, federalism, lowest federal taxes as possible, maximum freedomen
- Identifies as a "conservative" and participates in conservative political groups
- Actively participates in Republican or conservative political activities

(This is the part where you duck and run)"

Why would I duck and run?

Although a conservative, I am a moderate conservative. By definition, a moderate conservative is an individual who holds conservative political views but is more pragmatic or less rigid than staunch conservatives, sometimes supporting a more centrist approach to specific issues. These individuals may agree with core conservative principles like a strong national defense and free markets but might also support more moderate positions on issues or compromise with opposing political parties. They represent a blend of traditional conservative beliefs with a more flexible or pragmatic approach to policy and governance.

So, IMO, we are both conservatives, just to different degrees. As such, while we may agree on some things, we disagree on others, and on some of those we disagree, it may be that we both initially agree with the overall concept, but not with the details. I don't think either of us need to duck and run. Especially since the January 6th event, I have not been as Republican; however, I have remained a moderate conservative.
As we have both witnessed, some appear to have problems wrapping their heads around that.

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Again ... that's great. I appreciate that and probably agree with you 100% of the time.

The question was what percentage of college professors identify as conservatives or Republicans? That was in a response to your post where you were indicating that people that believe colleges and universities are indoctrination factories for radical left-wing extremism were paranoid conspiracy theorists.

The reason so many leave college with stupid, irrational political views is that is what they are taught in college. When one is fed radical propaganda for four years, may succumb and start to believe it. You were mocking the idea that colleges are dominated by radical leftists many of whom or set on indoctrinating students. So I simply asked what percentage of professors identify as conservative or Republican.

It's not like it is even a remotely controversial proposition, which why I was surprised you were mocking it.

We all read fast and sometimes don't understand the question, which is maybe what happened here. The point is not defining what is a Republican or what is a conservative. The point is how many college professors openly identify as either ... regardless of what they believe, what percentage openly have Trump, Romney, Bush, McCain signs in their offices ... how many are actively engaged on campus for conservative causes ... how man are active on social media promoting conservatism or Republican candidates? Hell, how many will answer anonymously that they are conservative or Republican?

Is there anything like this where the politics are reversed: https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-students-expose-extremist-professors-fostering-campus-antisemitism-major-universities

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" What percentage of college professors are conservative Republicans?"

And just what is your definition of "conservative Republican "?

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I would be open to multiple data points:
- Identify as a member of the Republican party
- Voted for the Republican presidential candidate in the last presidential election
- Supports small federal government, federalism, lowest federal taxes as possible, maximum freedomen
- Identifies as a "conservative" and participates in conservative political groups
- Actively participates in Republican or conservative political activities

(This is the part where you duck and run)

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In other words:

-Party loyalty
-Party loyalty
-Opposition to Trump policies
-Subjective "conservative" identity
-Party loyalty

So...is there anything about being a RINO that you don't like?

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I know you're kind of a rheghard, but I will try and explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.

"Republican" is a political party. Some political parties in American include Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, etc. These are by definition organizations that nominate and run candidates for office, create party platforms, raise money for candidates, etc. They are by definition organizations with memberships.

For one to be identified as a member of said party, one must support said party. Otherwise, one is a member of another party or an independent. So yes, being identified as a member of a political party involves supporting said political party.

Now go back to believing the Jews are the root of all evil and their are walking corpses in Gaza and Hamas is just a political party. And put on another rona mask today for good measure.

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I guess you didn't read the question: what is your definition of conservative Republican?

BUDOS answered, you ducked and ran.

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Have you found all those mass graves filled with walking corpses?

If you had two brain cells to rub together you would re-read my post where it was literally in front of your face - unlike all those "walking corpses" which are figments of your imagination.

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Republicans lost because Dems won their traditional territories.

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Midterms are going to be bad. 28 is not th given some on here think.

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Most midterms are bad for the administration

Not worried about it.

Neither is Trump.

From Day One he knew two years was his timeline.

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just going to **** up as many lives as he can in 2 years while his worth triples...

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Stupid

Sounding like Sam

No billionaire comes within a half inch of getting his brains blown out on national television just to make an additional billion.

You need to be responsible for YOU.

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Yeah like those responsible people that did nothing but show up for work and do their job only to get bounced? Or keeping the Government shut and reducing the capacity of airports as a political move to turn up the pain? Or, not funding food programs. Or, prices through the roof creating pain never mentioned before being elected. Overall, more people are worse off now than under Biden. Dont give me the be resposible for you from a land developer.

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You sure like your excuses.

Every cattlemen knows you have to save lots of money in the good years; to survive the bad years.

Those that don't save enough……that's their responsibility.

No one else's.


Man up.

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Every land developer knows how to suck up to the local for Government subsidies, tax exemptions, land development code changes, etc... You play the role here of self made hate Government assistance, yet you talk of your housing developments. Land developers are neck deep in the trough. i did the traffic work for 15 years for developers you guys suck as much out as you can get. Scratch the dirt off of a rancher and you have a developer... Selling off family legacy others built for their profit. Seen many a 100 year family farm and ranch end because the last generation sold it off and developed it for houses, avoiding as much infrastructure as possible. Leaving it for the local government to provide at the tax payers expense.


The correct version of your saying is ranchers sell off family legacy in property for lean years.... How many acres did you get and how many did you sell off over the years?

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' Got ' nothing.

Signed a 10 year note and paid off everything in 9 years 4 months. Made enough, saved enough to pay the last 8 payments in advance. Was a huge moment in my life.

Was the sole owner of the operation, debt free at 34 years old.

Meanwhile I witnessed several other owners go broke. The banks hung them out to dry. These guys were all older than me; and certainly thought they were smarter.

Only sold the land ( all in one gulp ) about 6 years ago at the insistence of my adult children; who wanted a piece of their inheritance up front. It was the right move ; greatly reduced potential inheritance taxes.

I met government types like you. They would want easements involving parts of our land, or be checking the animals for bovine tuberculosis, or just generally nosing around.

They all had four things in common.

1. They resented us; thinking we were too independent and envious of it at the same time.
2. Totally unwilling to take big financial risks in order to reach such independence.
3. Totally unwilling to work the 55-70 hours each week; to reach such independence.
4. They all loathed working for the government.


Will never forget this one young federal employee….David Lopez. He came by on a Saturday while I was hauling manure.

Dry manure was getting blown all over the place…..getting blown all over me.

Lopez exclaimed…..' If I owned this place I would never do that work. Getting manure on me….I would have one of my men do it '

I turned off the front end load and replied …..

' That's what you don't have anything '.

You guys who choose the ' safety net ' of a guaranteed paycheck…….hsve only yourselves to blame.

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That is not a Federal worker issue, it is an ******* issue. There are those types in all walks of life, including farming. I know people in farming that will only work on the equipment and let others do the field work and manure work.

You keep trying to frame Federal workers to your narrative. There are thousands that do nothing but work with the land. Thousands that hauled survey chains where you would never go. Just like you say you are not like the stereotype of land developers, there is no one type of worker in every area. But, don't let reality stop the narrative.

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Bottom line is you are looking for exuses......why it is someone elses s responsibility to enable you to have the life you want. The life you see others enjoy.

Or someone else 'did you wrong'. Trump, the government. somr successfull CEO......pick a name.

And dude,,,,you have lots of company...its a common refrain.

That you were not willing to risk every dime on an idea.....not willing to work 7 days a week for months at a time.......has nothing to do with it.

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Keep believing that. Helps you feel good about yourself. You are special and all Federal workers are lazy. Keep generalizing, hope you are mot on the other side at some point.

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Never met a single federal employee who was motivated to do anything but mark time and collect his pension.

Oh….two exceptions.

Border Patrol agents
US Marshals

But your old tripe that somehow others OWE you a pleasant retirement is just ridiculous.

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Where do you get this ***** Who said anything about anyone owing someone a retirement? Maybe you inherited enough for that, but the vast majority work for a living. Geez, you guys just make **** up.

Maybe you attract lazy people. But there are more than Border Patrol and Marshals that work hard. just go to any airport and see the people working with no pay so Donald can break the Dems.

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Clown it is the Dems that have voted NO over 12 times.

Are you nuts or just enjoy lying ?

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it is both sides. you like villanizing one side.

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If one side has voted NO….over 12 times…..it is NOT both sides.

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So only the vote counts? Not what they are voting on? So, basically accept or you are wrong? Since you guys love polls, the majority of Americans back the Dems on the Health Care issue. This is a losing issue for the GOP. People want and use ACA, even conservatives. It is needed, or we keep using the ER as a Doctors office and Hospitals eat it to get reimbursed by Medicaid.

KFF Health Tracking Poll: Public Weighs in on Health Care Debate and Government Shutdown | KFF


Donald has really made you guys sheep. Do you question anything? Or just accept whatever the sound bite of the day is? You may be able to have good health insurance, but I would say most Americans don't and Trump has not put anything out there that helps. This is as big a problem as your Fentanyl that the cost of one week of the Navy on station and blowing up boats would help tremendously. So, are you willing to go kinetic to get peoplr health coverage?

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I guess you have not seen the question the first two times:

Genuinely curious, do you actually believe President Trump is keeping the government shut down?

Harrison, okay, I agree that I didn't directly respond to your question, and that it is probably because I thought you were making it personal due to my background in higher education, particularly Baylor.

To answer your question more directly, my response is to refer to the majority of both historical and recent research which indicates that the more education one has the increased tendency for an individual in that group to be more liberal. However, substantive, but not unanimous research indicates that as liberals and conservatives move toward the ends of their ideological spectrum, the more opinionated and closed minded they become, although liberals, by a relatively small margin tend to be more open to debating opposing ideas, whether they are political, cultural, social, economic, religious, etc. So, although the majority of college professors may tend to have liberal views, the group is not monolithic.

It is important that students be exposed to a variety of political ideologies and to debate them in a safe environment. As a graduate student in political science at Baylor I had the opportunity to be exposed to a variety, although the conservative views were not as well presented, at least from my perspective as a semi-Libertarian at the time.
However that ship has sailed, and the ship is now adrift. We need more people like many on this forum who at least read the posts, exposing themselves to the arguments which are made. Unfortunately we oftentimes turn them off with our unnecessary toxic rhetoric and they move on.

" Genuinely curious, do you actually believe President Trump is keeping the government shut down?"

Do you actually believe it would stay shutdown if he told Little Mikey to open it up?

BTW, I agree that Medicare needs some serious reform, and Republicans have suggested some good ones.

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" Genuinely curious, do you actually believe President Trump is keeping the government shut down?"

Do you actually believe it would stay shutdown if he told Little Mikey to open it up?

BTW, I agree that Medicare needs some serious reform, and Republicans have suggested some good ones.

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Which party is voting against the Continuing Resolution?

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Harrison, okay, I agree that I didn't directly respond to your question, and that it is probably because I thought you were making it personal due to my background in higher education, particularly Baylor.

To answer your question more directly, my response is to refer to the majority of both historical and recent research which indicates that the more education one has the increased tendency for an individual in that group to be more liberal. However, substantive, but not unanimous research indicates that as liberals and conservatives move toward the ends of their ideological spectrum, the more opinionated and closed minded they become, although liberals, by a relatively small margin tend to be more open to debating opposing ideas, whether they are political, cultural, social, economic, religious, etc. So, although the majority of college professors may tend to have liberal views, the group is not monolithic.

It is important that students be exposed to a variety of political ideologies and to debate them in a safe environment. As a graduate student in political science at Baylor I had the opportunity to be exposed to a variety, although the conservative views were not as well presented, at least from my perspective as a semi-Libertarian at the time.
However that ship has sailed, and the ship is now adrift. We need more people like many on this forum who at least read the posts, exposing themselves to the arguments which are made. Unfortunately we oftentimes turn them off with our unnecessary toxic rhetoric and they move on.

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As usual we agree 100%. When I majored in PolySci, I knew virtually all the profs were liberals, but they all encouraged and facilitated robust debate and challenged all POV and made us all better critical thinkers.

It seems like during the past 20 years or so as Didn't Earn It programs have polluted the Academy with idiotic women and token minorities who likely can barely write much less think critically, it seems colleges have become a ground for morons yo indoctrinate students into stupidity - and many of those students themselves Didn't Earn Its so likely lack the
intelligence to realize it and to think critically.

Meanwhile Republicans lost independents & Hispanics

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Keep telling yourself the Earth is flat and Birds Aren't Real.

Harrison, the answer to your question: "Which party is voting against the Continuing Resolution?" Is the Democratic Party.

However, I have a hard time believing Little Mikey would not open it up if Trump said to. Why not accept the compromise resolution to extend the discounts for a year while negotiating for the necessary revisions?