Assassin said:
historian said:
Damn.
You are one dumb sob.
The claims you are referring to appear to stem from a specific interpretation of a recent retrospective cohort study conducted in South Korea. It is important to look at the actual data from that study, what the authors themselves concluded, and how the scientific community at large views these findings.
The following breakdown provides context on the "8.7 million" figure, the specific percentages you listed, and the scientific consensus on mRNA vaccines and cancer.
1. The Study in Question (South Korea)
The statistics you cited (e.g., Prostate +69%, Lung +53%, Thyroid +35%) match the
Hazard Ratios (HR) reported in a study titled
"1-year risks of cancers associated with COVID-19 vaccination: a large population-based cohort study in South Korea" (Kim et al., published in
Biomarker Research).
While the numbers you listed appear in the study's data tables, the interpretation that the vaccines
caused these increases is disputed by experts and even contradicted by the study's own limitations section.
- Surveillance Bias: The researchers noted that vaccinated individuals had much more frequent contact with the healthcare system than unvaccinated individuals. This leads to "detection bias"if you go to the doctor to get a vaccine or manage side effects, you are more likely to get screened and have a pre-existing (but previously undiagnosed) cancer detected.
- The "Healthy Vaccinee" Effect vs. Under-diagnosis: The unvaccinated group in this dataset was shown to have many comorbidities but fewer medical visits. This suggests that the unvaccinated group may have had undiagnosed cancers that were never recorded, making the vaccinated group look like they had "more" cancer by comparison.
- Timeframe Impossibility: The study looked at cancer diagnoses just one year after vaccination. Known carcinogens (like tobacco or asbestos) take years or decades to cause cancer. Biological experts argue that it is mechanistically impossible for a vaccine to initiate a new solid tumor and have it grow to detectable size in just a few months. These were likely pre-existing cancers detected during medical visits.
2. The "17 Oncogenic Mechanisms" Claim
The idea that mRNA vaccines have "17 oncogenic mechanisms" is not a recognized medical consensus. This claim often originates from theoretical papers (such as "The Multi-Hit Hypothesis of Oncogenesis") which speculate on
potential pathways rather than observing actual clinical effects.
- Theoretical vs. Real-world: These papers often hypothesize that because mRNA instructs cells to make proteins, it could theoretically interfere with tumor suppressor genes (like p53). However, biological studies have not shown this happens in the human body following vaccination.
- mRNA Breakdown: The mRNA in vaccines degrades rapidly (within days) and does not integrate into human DNA. There is no sustained mechanism present long enough to drive the complex, multi-year process of carcinogenesis.
3. Conflicting Data and Scientific Consensus
If there were a genuine +50% or +60% increase in common cancers like lung or breast cancer across the population, cancer registries worldwide would show massive, undeniable spikes in total cancer deaths. Current global data does not show this trend.
- Contradictory Studies: Other large-scale studies conflict with the South Korean findings. For example, a study of 2.2 million people published in JAMA Network Open found no association between COVID-19 vaccination and increased cancer risk.
- Protective Effects: Some research has actually suggested the oppositethat COVID-19 vaccination may help cancer patients. A study from the University of Florida found that cancer patients who received mRNA vaccines responded better to immunotherapy, potentially because the vaccine "woke up" the immune system.
Summary of the Data
Cancer TypeYour Cited RiskContext from Scientific ReviewProstate (+69%)Matches HR 1.69
Highly susceptible to detection bias (PSA tests are often done during routine medical visits).
Lung (+53%)Matches HR 1.53
Biologically implausible to develop detectable lung cancer in <12 months from a new cause.
Thyroid (+35%)Matches HR 1.35
The study noted "heterologous" results; thyroid cancer is frequently over-diagnosed with increased screening.
Bladder (+62%)Matches HR 1.21 (Not sig)
In the actual study snippet, bladder cancer results were
not statistically significant (P=0.352).
Conclusion
The "landmark studies" you mentioned likely refer to the South Korean dataset. While the
correlations (the numbers) exist in that specific dataset, the
causation is widely rejected by oncologists due to the short timeframe (cancers don't grow that fast) and detection bias (vaccinated people saw doctors more often).