Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Are we at the point where immigration has become a net negative?

On the plus side, you get good and talented people from other nations.

On the down side, it brings tremendous costs to health care, education, social services, etc.
It pushes down wages.
It inflates housing costs.

An economist could never do a real study for fear of being called names but I am sure we should continue to encourage it.

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"On the down side, it brings tremendous costs to health care, education, social services, etc."

Only if the US constitution continues to be abrogated as far as specifying only very limited functions as federal matters is concerned. There isn't a word, or even an idea, in that document about healthcare, social services, or education, which can only be added through amendment, of which none yet exists. Not saying they can't be, just that they have not been, as much as many want to pretend they have, or simply ignore the document, whichever gets the desired result.

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That is what the Necessary and Proper Clause is for. ACA was done under that and ACTUALLY passed. There is legislation for it that Congress passed. I think it is more than an iota.

Health care is becoming something only the Government will be able to manage. We have ACA on the books, either we reform it or leave it. I don't see the GOP having the votes to kill it.

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. . . in the dead of night on Christmas Eve without a single member of Congress having read the bill and without a single vote from the opposition party.

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It passed 60-39. They got the 60 votes needed. Are you saying they should have not used the majority to pass a bill they wanted? Would the GOP not use a 60 vote majority on what they wanted? I am confused to why you are shocked and disgusted.

McConnell took a Supreme Court justice from Obama by using the rules in place, was that OK? I fail to see your point.

The ACA was designed to decrease the number of uninsured, it did that by 51%. That is a fact. Was it sustainable? No. Was it efficient? No. Which leads us to now. WHAT DO YOU HAVE THAT WILL:

• Decrease the number of uninsured
• Cost less
• Be sustainable
• Increase efficiency

So far I see nothing. All I see is *****ing over Obamacare, GOP NEEDS to come up with something or it will kill them in the midterms. Give the Dems 60 votes and see what happens. Well? Now is the time...

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I apologize. I did not realize you were not aware how the bill escaped the House.

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I do not know why we are stuck on ancient history. GOP needs something on health care, especially if they let the subsidies expire. This is not a debate on the quality of Obamacare, EVERYONE agrees it needs to change. It is about not getting skewered by it in the mid-terms. Even Trump and many of the GOP see that.

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Dude. We know you're a shill for Big Insurance. Stop pretending. You schtick is stupid at this point - you want the working class to subsidize billionaire CEOs of insurance companies.

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There you go again. WHAT DO YOU HAVE BESIDES LEAVING 23 MILLION WITHOUT HEALTH COVERAGE?

Once again, nothing. Free market. Right? How is that going to help ANYONE on January 3rd?

Come on, CHAMPION of the WORK CLASS. What is your solution when premiums triple on January 1st? How does the working man get his appendicitis covered? How does he pay for chemo? Pro Bono? Emergency Room?

https://t.co/fb4Pgdh4Ms pic.twitter.com/cwPJTuPALZ

— eigenrobot (@eigenrobot) December 19, 2025

The economic benefits of illegal immigration include filling essential labor shortages, paying billions in taxes, contributing to a higher national GDP, and boosting consumer spending. These contributions help sustain key industries and support social insurance programs.

Key economic benefits identified in various studies include:

Filling Labor Shortages Undocumented immigrants are a critical part of the workforce in essential industries such as agriculture (making up around 25% of all farm workers), construction, and the service industry, often taking jobs with low wages and difficult conditions that few native-born workers are willing to do. This helps ease labor shortages and keeps these sectors running smoothly.

Tax Contributions Undocumented immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes, including sales, property, and income taxes. In 2022, they paid an estimated $96.7 billion in taxes, with over a third of that amount going toward Social Security and Medicare programs from which they are often ineligible to receive benefits.

Consumer Spending Power The wages earned by undocumented immigrants are largely spent in the U.S. economy on goods and services, driving demand and supporting local businesses and jobs. Their total spending power was estimated at nearly $300 billion in 2023.

Entrepreneurship and Job Creation Immigrants, including the undocumented, have higher rates of entrepreneurship than native-born citizens and often start small, community-centered businesses that create jobs for both immigrants and U.S. citizens.

Overall Economic Growth The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and other economic research institutions project that immigration significantly boosts the U.S. GDP. A CBO report estimated that an increase in immigration would add $8.9 trillion to the GDP over a decade, with much of the growth attributed to an expanded workforce and increased demand.

Support for Social Safety Nets By paying into programs like Social Security and Medicare without receiving benefits, undocumented immigrants help the solvency of these trust funds, effectively subsidizing the benefits for eligible Americans.

While the overall economic impact on the U.S. is generally considered a small net positive, studies note that the costs for providing some services (e.g., education and emergency health care) can create a fiscal burden for certain state and local governments.

Killer point. Each asylum seeker wipes out one median British taxpayer’s entire lifetime contribution. Last year almost 110,000 people claimed asylum here. https://t.co/IPaIyIgU9l

— David Shipley (@ShipleyWrites) December 19, 2025

Have you head of Inspiritus in Georgia?

Since 2021, they've been awarded over $60 million in federal taxpayer dollars to resettle foreigners all over the state.

They pay for EVERYTHING! Look at all these services! They even issue business loans through Thrive Community… https://t.co/hgHXR3zaME pic.twitter.com/RSYPaOnrBB

— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) December 14, 2025

Just to sum up what some of you have already mentioned, plus maybe a bit more:

Immigration offers significant benefits to the U.S. by boosting economic growth, filling critical labor shortages (especially in healthcare, tech, and agriculture), driving innovation and entrepreneurship (immigrants start many businesses and patents), increasing tax revenues, and enriching cultural diversity, all while helping to support programs like Social Security and Medicare through increased workforce participation and consumer spending.

Economic Contributions:
Labor Force & Productivity: Immigrants expand the labor force, fill jobs where native-born workers are scarce (e.g., agriculture, construction, tech), and improve overall economic productivity and GDP.
Innovation & Business: Immigrants have high rates of entrepreneurship, founding many new businesses, and contributing significantly to patents, particularly in strategic industries.

Fiscal Impact: Immigrants contribute billions in taxes (sales, property, income, payroll) and help fund essential programs like Social Security and Medicare, often paying more in taxes than they consume in public services.

Workforce & Industry:
Filling Gaps: They meet vital needs in healthcare (nurses, aides), food production, STEM fields (science, tech, engineering, math), and construction.
Skills & Specialization: Immigrants bring diverse skills, leading to better resource allocation, job matching, and higher economic output.

Social & Cultural Benefits:
Cultural Enrichment: Immigrants bring new ideas, traditions, and perspectives, enriching American culture and values.

Community Vitality: They help sustain communities, especially in rural areas, by creating businesses and contributing to the local tax base.

Overall Impact:
Economic Strength: Data shows that immigration strengthens the U.S. economy, supports job creation, and helps keep inflation down.

Long-Term Growth: By increasing human capital and innovation, immigration fuels long-term economic growth and dynamism.

$600 million in federal funds for resettling foreigners in Ohio and paying their bills.

Just over the last decade.

Insanity. https://t.co/AoPFKn6nhf

— Oilfield Rando (@Oilfield_Rando) December 21, 2025

BUDOS said:

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Just to sum up what some of you have already mentioned, plus maybe a bit more:

Immigration offers significant benefits to the U.S. by boosting economic growth, filling critical labor shortages (especially in healthcare, tech, and agriculture), driving innovation and entrepreneurship (immigrants start many businesses and patents), increasing tax revenues, and enriching cultural diversity, all while helping to support programs like Social Security and Medicare through increased workforce participation and consumer spending.

Economic Contributions:
Labor Force & Productivity: Immigrants expand the labor force, fill jobs where native-born workers are scarce (e.g., agriculture, construction, tech), and improve overall economic productivity and GDP.
Innovation & Business: Immigrants have high rates of entrepreneurship, founding many new businesses, and contributing significantly to patents, particularly in strategic industries.

Fiscal Impact: Immigrants contribute billions in taxes (sales, property, income, payroll) and help fund essential programs like Social Security and Medicare, often paying more in taxes than they consume in public services.

Workforce & Industry:
Filling Gaps: They meet vital needs in healthcare (nurses, aides), food production, STEM fields (science, tech, engineering, math), and construction.
Skills & Specialization: Immigrants bring diverse skills, leading to better resource allocation, job matching, and higher economic output.

Social & Cultural Benefits:
Cultural Enrichment: Immigrants bring new ideas, traditions, and perspectives, enriching American culture and values.

Community Vitality: They help sustain communities, especially in rural areas, by creating businesses and contributing to the local tax base.

Overall Impact:
Economic Strength: Data shows that immigration strengthens the U.S. economy, supports job creation, and helps keep inflation down.

Long-Term Growth: By increasing human capital and innovation, immigration fuels long-term economic growth and dynamism.

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You are leaving out the biggest factor

If these immigrants don't come from high IQ countries then they are in fact a fiscal drain for their entire lives

2024 Dutch version of the famous Danish "It's Complicated" graph. First generation immigrants are net fiscal negatives at all ages - entirely because of "non-western" immigrants. But at least the Netherlands benefits from... there must be something. (new study, short thread) pic.twitter.com/x71pSI8NSb

— arctotherium (@arctotherium42) January 2, 2025

BUDOS said:

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Just to sum up what some of you have already mentioned, plus maybe a bit more:

Immigration offers significant benefits to the U.S. by boosting economic growth, filling critical labor shortages (especially in healthcare, tech, and agriculture), driving innovation and entrepreneurship (immigrants start many businesses and patents), increasing tax revenues, and enriching cultural diversity, all while helping to support programs like Social Security and Medicare through increased workforce participation and consumer spending.

Economic Contributions:
Labor Force & Productivity: Immigrants expand the labor force, fill jobs where native-born workers are scarce (e.g., agriculture, construction, tech), and improve overall economic productivity and GDP.
Innovation & Business: Immigrants have high rates of entrepreneurship, founding many new businesses, and contributing significantly to patents, particularly in strategic industries.

Fiscal Impact: Immigrants contribute billions in taxes (sales, property, income, payroll) and help fund essential programs like Social Security and Medicare, often paying more in taxes than they consume in public services.

Workforce & Industry:
Filling Gaps: They meet vital needs in healthcare (nurses, aides), food production, STEM fields (science, tech, engineering, math), and construction.
Skills & Specialization: Immigrants bring diverse skills, leading to better resource allocation, job matching, and higher economic output.

Social & Cultural Benefits:
Cultural Enrichment: Immigrants bring new ideas, traditions, and perspectives, enriching American culture and values.

Community Vitality: They help sustain communities, especially in rural areas, by creating businesses and contributing to the local tax base.

Overall Impact:
Economic Strength: Data shows that immigration strengthens the U.S. economy, supports job creation, and helps keep inflation down.

Long-Term Growth: By increasing human capital and innovation, immigration fuels long-term economic growth and dynamism.

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Just found out yesterday, an illegal immigrant killed the 17 month old child of a local family..

He was 'under the influence' while driving a rented truck and smashed into another vehicle. Other members of the family were hospitalized.

This insanity is happening throughout our country by the THOUSANDS.

Rape, theft , assault , murder and vehicular homicide.

So take a step back, and stick this reality onto your list.
Pray that such a real ; increasing common tragedy, doesn't happen to a member of your family.