It is pretty ironic how the founders of this country preached freedom for all human beings except for blacks.

Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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It is pretty ironic how the founders of this country preached freedom for all human beings except for blacks.

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Wow. I cannot believe you noticed that. How in the world has it been 250 years and no one noticed that ...

It's pretty ironic how bleks claim to be victims of T'RACISM when:
- More than 300,000 white men died for their freedom
- The U.S. is the only country to give such enormous political and cultural power to 12% of the population
- U.S. taxpayers have spent more than $3T since the 1960 trying to fix their community's dysfunction
- Bleks are the only group for whom can be actively discriminated for

Not to mention bleks were sold into slavery by other blecks and no one has benefited more from slavery than today's bleks in America.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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It is pretty ironic how the founders of this country preached freedom for all human beings except for blacks.

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Wow. I cannot believe you noticed that. How in the world has it been 250 years and no one noticed that ...

It's pretty ironic how bleks claim to be victims of T'RACISM when:
- More than 300,000 white men died for their freedom
- The U.S. is the only country to give such enormous political and cultural power to 12% of the population
- U.S. taxpayers have spent more than $3T since the 1960 trying to fix their community's dysfunction
- Bleks are the only group for whom can be actively discriminated for

Not to mention bleks were sold into slavery by other blecks and no one has benefited more from slavery than today's bleks in America.

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Funny how you didn't notice all the post on this thread whining about Burns comments on slavery in this series. Are you just stupid?

Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Will Viola Davis play George Washington?

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Oprah Winfrey.

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I all seriousness ... I am sure every episode will focus on the blek soldiers and slaves and claim the entire reason for the Revolution was to oppress the bleks ... it would be like crediting all Mooslum innovation to the Janissaries.

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Well God forgive me but I sure do enjoy Ken Burns story telling. Which we have to realize it's not history Ken is teaching it's story telling with a historical backdrop and overarching theme.

And in fact every episode has so far had a strong slavery component (for good or bad).

Philip J. Deloria does also voiced out loud in episode one that the desire of White colonists for Indians lands beyond the Appalachian mountains (and the refusal of the British authorities to allow that movement into the Ohio valley country) is to him the main driving cause of the American revolution.

That goes of course unchallenged by any of the other historians Ken Burns has decided to promote.

Interesting….

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Yeah I'm sure the people of Boston were soooo upset that the people of Virginia, the Carolina's, etc. could not move west and that is why they boycotted British goods, did the tea party, attacked tax collectors, gathered weapons and started fighting……


It might have been a reason for some people in some areas but it was not a main reason.

FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR

— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025

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So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.

There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.

I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.

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Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.

cowboycwr said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Will Viola Davis play George Washington?

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Oprah Winfrey.

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I all seriousness ... I am sure every episode will focus on the blek soldiers and slaves and claim the entire reason for the Revolution was to oppress the bleks ... it would be like crediting all Mooslum innovation to the Janissaries.

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Well God forgive me but I sure do enjoy Ken Burns story telling. Which we have to realize it's not history Ken is teaching it's story telling with a historical backdrop and overarching theme.

And in fact every episode has so far had a strong slavery component (for good or bad).

Philip J. Deloria does also voiced out loud in episode one that the desire of White colonists for Indians lands beyond the Appalachian mountains (and the refusal of the British authorities to allow that movement into the Ohio valley country) is to him the main driving cause of the American revolution.

That goes of course unchallenged by any of the other historians Ken Burns has decided to promote.

Interesting….

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Yeah I'm sure the people of Boston were soooo upset that the people of Virginia, the Carolina's, etc. could not move west and that is why they boycotted British goods, did the tea party, attacked tax collectors, gathered weapons and started fighting……


It might have been a reason for some people in some areas but it was not a main reason.

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I doubt it was even in the top 15 main reasons

Absolutely wild to say it was the "main driving cause of the American revolution"

We have become sadly used to this stuff coming out of modern academia

Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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It is pretty ironic how the founders of this country preached freedom for all human beings except for blacks.

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Were there a lot of places in the 1760s-1770s in the world at the time practicing racial egalitarianism and constitutional government?

If the Founding Fathers were wildly out of step with the rest of the world' countries then please let us know (instead of being far ahead of it)


Any black majority constitutional republics in Africa practicing anti-slavery, democratic government, and extending rights to whites and other peoples?

European nations? Asian nations? Islamic states? Etc.?

I assume it must have been super common around the globe no?

Redbrickbear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Will Viola Davis play George Washington?

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Oprah Winfrey.

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I all seriousness ... I am sure every episode will focus on the blek soldiers and slaves and claim the entire reason for the Revolution was to oppress the bleks ... it would be like crediting all Mooslum innovation to the Janissaries.

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Well God forgive me but I sure do enjoy Ken Burns story telling. Which we have to realize it's not history Ken is teaching it's story telling with a historical backdrop and overarching theme.

And in fact every episode has so far had a strong slavery component (for good or bad).

Philip J. Deloria does also voiced out loud in episode one that the desire of White colonists for Indians lands beyond the Appalachian mountains (and the refusal of the British authorities to allow that movement into the Ohio valley country) is to him the main driving cause of the American revolution.

That goes of course unchallenged by any of the other historians Ken Burns has decided to promote.

Interesting….

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Yeah I'm sure the people of Boston were soooo upset that the people of Virginia, the Carolina's, etc. could not move west and that is why they boycotted British goods, did the tea party, attacked tax collectors, gathered weapons and started fighting……


It might have been a reason for some people in some areas but it was not a main reason.

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I doubt it was even in the top 15 main reasons

Absolutely wild to say it was the "main driving cause of the American revolution"

We have become sadly used to this stuff coming out of modern academia

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Agreed. For sure the ban on westward migration upset some people but it would not have been a major issue among all 13 colonies. Sort of the way that today people don't care much about what is going on in another state much.

cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR

— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025

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So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.

There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.

I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.

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Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.

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You aren't familiar with Missouri Synod Lutherans are you?

The LCMS teaches that communion expresses unity in teaching and belief about what the Sacrament is (including belief in the real presence of Christ's body and blood). Because of this, they do not extend an open invitation to everyone who comes into the church, even if someone is a baptized Christian in another tradition.

Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR

— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025

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So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.

There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.

I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.

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Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.

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You aren't familiar with Missouri Synod Lutherans are you?

The LCMS teaches that communion expresses unity in teaching and belief about what the Sacrament is (including belief in the real presence of Christ's body and blood). Because of this, they do not extend an open invitation to everyone who comes into the church, even if someone is a baptized Christian in another tradition.

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Yes I am. But he did not specify a specific branch of Lutherans. Just all Lutherans.

And even many LCMS churches no longer follow that.

I can send you multiple links to weekly worship services if you would like where the pastor at a LCMS church invites all believers to participate. Not all LCMS members.

His statement was Lutherans. Sort of like if he said Lutherans do not allow female pastors. That would be incorrect as the ELCA does but the LCMS does not.

cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR

— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025

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So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.

There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.

I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.

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Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.

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What Lutheran church do ,pu attend! i was married in the Lutheran Church and my in laws are Lutheran. Still can't go to Communion when i visit for 40 years. I couldn't have a song on my wedding representing my faith.

This makes the point even more, Synods within the denomination are different. ELCA is very different from Wisconsin Synod. Two different worlds. I am Catholic, ask the Pastor not Christian. Told me to covert and become Christian. Was a heck of a reception with my NY Catholic family.