It is pretty ironic how the founders of this country preached freedom for all human beings except for blacks.
Ken Burns: The American Revolution
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Tempus Edax Rerum said:
It is pretty ironic how the founders of this country preached freedom for all human beings except for blacks.
Wow. I cannot believe you noticed that. How in the world has it been 250 years and no one noticed that ...
It's pretty ironic how bleks claim to be victims of T'RACISM when:
- More than 300,000 white men died for their freedom
- The U.S. is the only country to give such enormous political and cultural power to 12% of the population
- U.S. taxpayers have spent more than $3T since the 1960 trying to fix their community's dysfunction
- Bleks are the only group for whom can be actively discriminated for
Not to mention bleks were sold into slavery by other blecks and no one has benefited more from slavery than today's bleks in America.
Harrison Bergeron said:Tempus Edax Rerum said:
It is pretty ironic how the founders of this country preached freedom for all human beings except for blacks.
Wow. I cannot believe you noticed that. How in the world has it been 250 years and no one noticed that ...
It's pretty ironic how bleks claim to be victims of T'RACISM when:
- More than 300,000 white men died for their freedom
- The U.S. is the only country to give such enormous political and cultural power to 12% of the population
- U.S. taxpayers have spent more than $3T since the 1960 trying to fix their community's dysfunction
- Bleks are the only group for whom can be actively discriminated for
Not to mention bleks were sold into slavery by other blecks and no one has benefited more from slavery than today's bleks in America.
Funny how you didn't notice all the post on this thread whining about Burns comments on slavery in this series. Are you just stupid?
Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:BellCountyBear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
Will Viola Davis play George Washington?
Oprah Winfrey.
I all seriousness ... I am sure every episode will focus on the blek soldiers and slaves and claim the entire reason for the Revolution was to oppress the bleks ... it would be like crediting all Mooslum innovation to the Janissaries.
Well God forgive me but I sure do enjoy Ken Burns story telling. Which we have to realize it's not history Ken is teaching it's story telling with a historical backdrop and overarching theme.
And in fact every episode has so far had a strong slavery component (for good or bad).
Philip J. Deloria does also voiced out loud in episode one that the desire of White colonists for Indians lands beyond the Appalachian mountains (and the refusal of the British authorities to allow that movement into the Ohio valley country) is to him the main driving cause of the American revolution.
That goes of course unchallenged by any of the other historians Ken Burns has decided to promote.
Interesting….
Yeah I'm sure the people of Boston were soooo upset that the people of Virginia, the Carolina's, etc. could not move west and that is why they boycotted British goods, did the tea party, attacked tax collectors, gathered weapons and started fighting……
It might have been a reason for some people in some areas but it was not a main reason.
FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.
cowboycwr said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:BellCountyBear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
Will Viola Davis play George Washington?
Oprah Winfrey.
I all seriousness ... I am sure every episode will focus on the blek soldiers and slaves and claim the entire reason for the Revolution was to oppress the bleks ... it would be like crediting all Mooslum innovation to the Janissaries.
Well God forgive me but I sure do enjoy Ken Burns story telling. Which we have to realize it's not history Ken is teaching it's story telling with a historical backdrop and overarching theme.
And in fact every episode has so far had a strong slavery component (for good or bad).
Philip J. Deloria does also voiced out loud in episode one that the desire of White colonists for Indians lands beyond the Appalachian mountains (and the refusal of the British authorities to allow that movement into the Ohio valley country) is to him the main driving cause of the American revolution.
That goes of course unchallenged by any of the other historians Ken Burns has decided to promote.
Interesting….
Yeah I'm sure the people of Boston were soooo upset that the people of Virginia, the Carolina's, etc. could not move west and that is why they boycotted British goods, did the tea party, attacked tax collectors, gathered weapons and started fighting……
It might have been a reason for some people in some areas but it was not a main reason.
I doubt it was even in the top 15 main reasons
Absolutely wild to say it was the "main driving cause of the American revolution"
We have become sadly used to this stuff coming out of modern academia
Tempus Edax Rerum said:
It is pretty ironic how the founders of this country preached freedom for all human beings except for blacks.
Were there a lot of places in the 1760s-1770s in the world at the time practicing racial egalitarianism and constitutional government?
If the Founding Fathers were wildly out of step with the rest of the world' countries then please let us know (instead of being far ahead of it)
Any black majority constitutional republics in Africa practicing anti-slavery, democratic government, and extending rights to whites and other peoples?
European nations? Asian nations? Islamic states? Etc.?
I assume it must have been super common around the globe no?
Redbrickbear said:cowboycwr said:Redbrickbear said:Harrison Bergeron said:BellCountyBear said:Harrison Bergeron said:
Will Viola Davis play George Washington?
Oprah Winfrey.
I all seriousness ... I am sure every episode will focus on the blek soldiers and slaves and claim the entire reason for the Revolution was to oppress the bleks ... it would be like crediting all Mooslum innovation to the Janissaries.
Well God forgive me but I sure do enjoy Ken Burns story telling. Which we have to realize it's not history Ken is teaching it's story telling with a historical backdrop and overarching theme.
And in fact every episode has so far had a strong slavery component (for good or bad).
Philip J. Deloria does also voiced out loud in episode one that the desire of White colonists for Indians lands beyond the Appalachian mountains (and the refusal of the British authorities to allow that movement into the Ohio valley country) is to him the main driving cause of the American revolution.
That goes of course unchallenged by any of the other historians Ken Burns has decided to promote.
Interesting….
Yeah I'm sure the people of Boston were soooo upset that the people of Virginia, the Carolina's, etc. could not move west and that is why they boycotted British goods, did the tea party, attacked tax collectors, gathered weapons and started fighting……
It might have been a reason for some people in some areas but it was not a main reason.
I doubt it was even in the top 15 main reasons
Absolutely wild to say it was the "main driving cause of the American revolution"
We have become sadly used to this stuff coming out of modern academia
Agreed. For sure the ban on westward migration upset some people but it would not have been a major issue among all 13 colonies. Sort of the way that today people don't care much about what is going on in another state much.
cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.
You aren't familiar with Missouri Synod Lutherans are you?
The LCMS teaches that communion expresses unity in teaching and belief about what the Sacrament is (including belief in the real presence of Christ's body and blood). Because of this, they do not extend an open invitation to everyone who comes into the church, even if someone is a baptized Christian in another tradition.
Tempus Edax Rerum said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.
You aren't familiar with Missouri Synod Lutherans are you?
The LCMS teaches that communion expresses unity in teaching and belief about what the Sacrament is (including belief in the real presence of Christ's body and blood). Because of this, they do not extend an open invitation to everyone who comes into the church, even if someone is a baptized Christian in another tradition.
Yes I am. But he did not specify a specific branch of Lutherans. Just all Lutherans.
And even many LCMS churches no longer follow that.
I can send you multiple links to weekly worship services if you would like where the pastor at a LCMS church invites all believers to participate. Not all LCMS members.
His statement was Lutherans. Sort of like if he said Lutherans do not allow female pastors. That would be incorrect as the ELCA does but the LCMS does not.
cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.
What Lutheran church do ,pu attend! i was married in the Lutheran Church and my in laws are Lutheran. Still can't go to Communion when i visit for 40 years. I couldn't have a song on my wedding representing my faith.
This makes the point even more, Synods within the denomination are different. ELCA is very different from Wisconsin Synod. Two different worlds. I am Catholic, ask the Pastor not Christian. Told me to covert and become Christian. Was a heck of a reception with my NY Catholic family.
Redbrickbear said:
Its got some legs and must be listed....it was one reason for the revolution and the general estrangement of the Colonists with Britain
But its really out there to say....as that professor did...that he thinks its "the cause of the American revolution"
Its probably not even a top 15 grievance
The good news is that we don't really have to speculate what the causes of the revolution were, because the founders wrote them down in the Declaration of Independence.
The closest thing you can get to that is:
"Grievance 7
"He has endeavored to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands."
The first part of this deals with Parliament revoking the Plantation Act of 1740, in 1773. The Plantation act had given each colony the right to enact laws for naturalizing immigrants into its colony. It was viewed as another example of parliament taking away colonial self-rule. The second part about the "new appropriations of lands" is the reference to the 1763 proclamation line and the 1768 boundary line treaty."
But considering that they listed 27 grievances, you can hardly call that "the reason".
Realitybites said:Redbrickbear said:
Its got some legs and must be listed....it was one reason for the revolution and the general estrangement of the Colonists with Britain
But its really out there to say....as that professor did...that he thinks its "the cause of the American revolution"
Its probably not even a top 15 grievance
The good news is that we don't really have to speculate what the causes of the revolution were, because the founders wrote them down in the Declaration of Independence.
The closest thing you can get to that is:
"Grievance 7
"He has endeavored to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands."
The first part of this deals with Parliament revoking the Plantation Act of 1740, in 1773. The Plantation act had given each colony the right to enact laws for naturalizing immigrants into its colony. It was viewed as another example of parliament taking away colonial self-rule. The second part about the "new appropriations of lands" is the reference to the 1763 proclamation line and the 1768 boundary line treaty."
But considering that they listed 27 grievances, you can hardly call that "the reason".
I agree with you, there was not one cause. It built over time and finally tipped the balance in favor of breaking away.
FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.
What Lutheran church do ,pu attend! i was married in the Lutheran Church and my in laws are Lutheran. Still can't go to Communion when i visit for 40 years. I couldn't have a song on my wedding representing my faith.
This makes the point even more, Synods within the denomination are different. ELCA is very different from Wisconsin Synod. Two different worlds. I am Catholic, ask the Pastor not Christian. Told me to covert and become Christian. Was a heck of a reception with my NY Catholic family.
Sounds like you must attend a very old school LCMS church. I have gone to both ELCA and LCMS and they have allowed anyone to take communion. I have never had to say certain words to take it, show a membership card or anything. Just go up and receive communion.
ELCA is much more open to changes than traditional Lutherans. They allow female pastors, are more accepting of homosexuality, were one of the first to be open/welcoming to people of divorce, etc.
When I was about 9 or 10 we did a first communion class to be able to take communion and that has been really the only barrier I have seen to communion in multiple Lutheran churches in multiple cities/states…. Age.
The ELCA even says they welcome all believers on their webpage and most churches do. The LCMS seems to be more of a church by church thing but again I have not come across one that limited communion in the multiple I have visited, regularly attended or been a member of.
cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.
What Lutheran church do ,pu attend! i was married in the Lutheran Church and my in laws are Lutheran. Still can't go to Communion when i visit for 40 years. I couldn't have a song on my wedding representing my faith.
This makes the point even more, Synods within the denomination are different. ELCA is very different from Wisconsin Synod. Two different worlds. I am Catholic, ask the Pastor not Christian. Told me to covert and become Christian. Was a heck of a reception with my NY Catholic family.
Sounds like you must attend a very old school LCMS church. I have gone to both ELCA and LCMS and they have allowed anyone to take communion. I have never had to say certain words to take it, show a membership card or anything. Just go up and receive communion.
ELCA is much more open to changes than traditional Lutherans. They allow female pastors, are more accepting of homosexuality, were one of the first to be open/welcoming to people of divorce, etc.
When I was about 9 or 10 we did a first communion class to be able to take communion and that has been really the only barrier I have seen to communion in multiple Lutheran churches in multiple cities/states…. Age.
The ELCA even says they welcome all believers on their webpage and most churches do. The LCMS seems to be more of a church by church thing but again I have not come across one that limited communion in the multiple I have visited, regularly attended or been a member of.
My wife used to be Wisconsin Synod, basically a women's role in the church is to make lunches and decorate Christmas tree for Pastor approval.
I know Missouri Synod is more low key. They allowed my wife, Wisconsin Synod, to receive communion when we lived in Amarillo because the nearest Wisconsin Synod was over 300 miles away. Me being Catholic, no. But I was welcome to listen and maybe become a Christian.
Grew up in New York City, either Jewish or Catholic. I knew Protestants existed, but didn't meet one until I was 16. The Jews were more accommodating than the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran's. They are hardcore conservative...
FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.
What Lutheran church do ,pu attend! i was married in the Lutheran Church and my in laws are Lutheran. Still can't go to Communion when i visit for 40 years. I couldn't have a song on my wedding representing my faith.
This makes the point even more, Synods within the denomination are different. ELCA is very different from Wisconsin Synod. Two different worlds. I am Catholic, ask the Pastor not Christian. Told me to covert and become Christian. Was a heck of a reception with my NY Catholic family.
Sounds like you must attend a very old school LCMS church. I have gone to both ELCA and LCMS and they have allowed anyone to take communion. I have never had to say certain words to take it, show a membership card or anything. Just go up and receive communion.
ELCA is much more open to changes than traditional Lutherans. They allow female pastors, are more accepting of homosexuality, were one of the first to be open/welcoming to people of divorce, etc.
When I was about 9 or 10 we did a first communion class to be able to take communion and that has been really the only barrier I have seen to communion in multiple Lutheran churches in multiple cities/states…. Age.
The ELCA even says they welcome all believers on their webpage and most churches do. The LCMS seems to be more of a church by church thing but again I have not come across one that limited communion in the multiple I have visited, regularly attended or been a member of.
My wife used to be Wisconsin Synod, basically a women's role in the church is to make lunches and decorate Christmas tree for Pastor approval.
I know Missouri Synod is more low key. They allowed my wife, Wisconsin Synod, to receive communion when we lived in Amarillo because the nearest Wisconsin Synod was over 300 miles away. Me being Catholic, no. But I was welcome to listen and maybe become a Christian.
Grew up in New York City, either Jewish or Catholic. I knew Protestants existed, but didn't meet one until I was 16. The Jews were more accommodating than the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran's. They are hardcore conservative...
I have only ever been to a Wisconsin Synod church once and it was over 20 years ago so I don't even remember if I did communion that day or not. But I do know they are more traditional and closer to what Lutherans used to be for centuries, which was not much removed from Catholics other than no pope.
LCMS is more low key than Wisconsin with ELCA even more low key than they other two.
cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Yes Lutherans will let you. They invite all believers to participate. Every Lutheran church I have ever belonged to is this way. They are not like Catholics where you have to be a member, say the right thing, etc.
What Lutheran church do ,pu attend! i was married in the Lutheran Church and my in laws are Lutheran. Still can't go to Communion when i visit for 40 years. I couldn't have a song on my wedding representing my faith.
This makes the point even more, Synods within the denomination are different. ELCA is very different from Wisconsin Synod. Two different worlds. I am Catholic, ask the Pastor not Christian. Told me to covert and become Christian. Was a heck of a reception with my NY Catholic family.
Sounds like you must attend a very old school LCMS church. I have gone to both ELCA and LCMS and they have allowed anyone to take communion. I have never had to say certain words to take it, show a membership card or anything. Just go up and receive communion.
ELCA is much more open to changes than traditional Lutherans. They allow female pastors, are more accepting of homosexuality, were one of the first to be open/welcoming to people of divorce, etc.
When I was about 9 or 10 we did a first communion class to be able to take communion and that has been really the only barrier I have seen to communion in multiple Lutheran churches in multiple cities/states…. Age.
The ELCA even says they welcome all believers on their webpage and most churches do. The LCMS seems to be more of a church by church thing but again I have not come across one that limited communion in the multiple I have visited, regularly attended or been a member of.
My wife used to be Wisconsin Synod, basically a women's role in the church is to make lunches and decorate Christmas tree for Pastor approval.
I know Missouri Synod is more low key. They allowed my wife, Wisconsin Synod, to receive communion when we lived in Amarillo because the nearest Wisconsin Synod was over 300 miles away. Me being Catholic, no. But I was welcome to listen and maybe become a Christian.
Grew up in New York City, either Jewish or Catholic. I knew Protestants existed, but didn't meet one until I was 16. The Jews were more accommodating than the Wisconsin Synod Lutheran's. They are hardcore conservative...
I have only ever been to a Wisconsin Synod church once and it was over 20 years ago so I don't even remember if I did communion that day or not. But I do know they are more traditional and closer to what Lutherans used to be for centuries, which was not much removed from Catholics other than no pope.
LCMS is more low key than Wisconsin with ELCA even more low key than they other two.
Don't tell them they are closer to Catholic!!!! I still have PTSD from the WELS Pastor yelling "GRACE COMES DOWN, YOUR WORKS ARE DIRTY RAGS TO GOD. NOTHING YOU DO GOES UP TO GOD" when my wife introduced me to him when we first met. It made for an enjoyable pre-marriage discussion...
Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Less nit-picketing than demanding some basic accuracy in a documentary that will be shown to millions of school children and included in the library of Congress one day
The founding fathers were in fact NOT followers of different religions…they were members of different denominations of the same religion
If Ken wants to go into the conflicting issues/
antagonisms within those different denominations…no one would complain….just don't let one of your interviewees say something this factually wrong on screen without challenge
Do you want to go into Deists and their non-Christian beliefs? Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and even Madison and Washington were more into Deist than Christianity. Or, does that not count.
Geez, Paine called Christianity a fable. Franklin was about reason and definitely no fan of religion. Jefferson wrote his own version of how he thought Jesus's lessons fit in, no miracles, and questioned Jesus divinity.
These are not minor players, these are the heavy hitters of the Founding Fathers. I can see why Burns left it at diverse.
As I said, you are nit-picking.
Again…back to the actual Ken Burn documentary
She is taking about the first Continental Congress meeting. (Thomas Pain is not a Founding father or member of the Continental Congress or the later Congresses of the USA)
[Fifty-six delegates from twelve of the thirteen colonies attended the First Continental Congress, which convened at Carpenters' Hall in Philadelphia from September 5 to October 26, 1774. Georgia was the only colony that did not send representatives.]
Of these 56 delegates all are know members of the Christian religion and have historic church memberships. (Their exact personal beliefs on all theological matters are of course open for debate)
But they were not members of "different religions" as per the interviewee.
If she wanted to emphasize the religious diversity of this group….then she should be accurate and just say they were members of different Christian denominations & Churches with different theological interpretations of the faith.
[A large number of Southern delegates were members of the Church of England (Anglican), which later became the Episcopal Church in America. This included a majority of the Virginia delegation, such as George Washington, Peyton Randolph, and Patrick Henry. Maryland delegates like Samuel Chase were also Episcopalian.
Congregationalist: This was the dominant denomination among the New England delegates, the spiritual heirs of the Puritans. Key figures included John Adams and Samuel Adams of Massachusetts.
Presbyterian: This denomination was well-represented across several colonies and generally supportive of the revolutionary cause. Delegates such as William Floyd, Philip Livingston, and James Wilson were Presbyterians.
Quaker (Society of Friends): A few delegates, especially from Pennsylvania and New Jersey, were Quakers. James Kinsey of New Jersey and the chair maker Joseph Henzey were Quakers.
Lutheran: John Morton of Pennsylvania is an example of a delegate who was a Lutheran.]
If it was Trump, you would say "you know what he meant" and it is not literal. Someone you don't like, it is literal to the period and comma. I have never seen people craft things the way the want them to be like this room.
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Well Trump is not doing a historical documentary for PBS that will end up in the library of Congress and taught to millions of school children.
At the least we can all admit it's strange framing.
"different religions"…instead of the more obviously accurate statement of "different denominations of the same religion"
Sometimes the mental gymnastics to try and justify a political agenda is one of the unfortunately outcrops of TDS. There was a time when it would not be controversial just to acknowledge that Burns is intentionally framing "different religions" in a way to intentionally devalue and distract from the role Christianity played in the Founding Fathers.
In modern parlance, different Christian denominations are not considered different religions.
Similarly, Deism has never been considered a religion but a philosophical movement.
The Founding Fathers virtually all were privately and publicly Christian.
To wit, if the context were a group of Muslims founding X, Burns would not have used the world "different religions" if it was a diverse group of different Shia and Sunni factions. It's the double standard allowed for Christianity but not other religions.
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Harrison Bergeron said:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Less nit-picketing than demanding some basic accuracy in a documentary that will be shown to millions of school children and included in the library of Congress one day
The founding fathers were in fact NOT followers of different religions…they were members of different denominations of the same religion
If Ken wants to go into the conflicting issues/
antagonisms within those different denominations…no one would complain….just don't let one of your interviewees say something this factually wrong on screen without challenge
Do you want to go into Deists and their non-Christian beliefs? Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and even Madison and Washington were more into Deist than Christianity. Or, does that not count.
Geez, Paine called Christianity a fable. Franklin was about reason and definitely no fan of religion. Jefferson wrote his own version of how he thought Jesus's lessons fit in, no miracles, and questioned Jesus divinity.
These are not minor players, these are the heavy hitters of the Founding Fathers. I can see why Burns left it at diverse.
As I said, you are nit-picking.
Again…back to the actual Ken Burn documentary
She is taking about the first Continental Congress meeting. (Thomas Pain is not a Founding father or member of the Continental Congress or the later Congresses of the USA)
[Fifty-six delegates from twelve of the thirteen colonies attended the First Continental Congress, which convened at Carpenters' Hall in Philadelphia from September 5 to October 26, 1774. Georgia was the only colony that did not send representatives.]
Of these 56 delegates all are know members of the Christian religion and have historic church memberships. (Their exact personal beliefs on all theological matters are of course open for debate)
But they were not members of "different religions" as per the interviewee.
If she wanted to emphasize the religious diversity of this group….then she should be accurate and just say they were members of different Christian denominations & Churches with different theological interpretations of the faith.
[A large number of Southern delegates were members of the Church of England (Anglican), which later became the Episcopal Church in America. This included a majority of the Virginia delegation, such as George Washington, Peyton Randolph, and Patrick Henry. Maryland delegates like Samuel Chase were also Episcopalian.
Congregationalist: This was the dominant denomination among the New England delegates, the spiritual heirs of the Puritans. Key figures included John Adams and Samuel Adams of Massachusetts.
Presbyterian: This denomination was well-represented across several colonies and generally supportive of the revolutionary cause. Delegates such as William Floyd, Philip Livingston, and James Wilson were Presbyterians.
Quaker (Society of Friends): A few delegates, especially from Pennsylvania and New Jersey, were Quakers. James Kinsey of New Jersey and the chair maker Joseph Henzey were Quakers.
Lutheran: John Morton of Pennsylvania is an example of a delegate who was a Lutheran.]
If it was Trump, you would say "you know what he meant" and it is not literal. Someone you don't like, it is literal to the period and comma. I have never seen people craft things the way the want them to be like this room.
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Well Trump is not doing a historical documentary for PBS that will end up in the library of Congress and taught to millions of school children.
At the least we can all admit it's strange framing.
"different religions"…instead of the more obviously accurate statement of "different denominations of the same religion"
Sometimes the mental gymnastics to try and justify a political agenda is one of the unfortunately outcrops of TDS. There was a time when it would not be controversial just to acknowledge that Burns is intentionally framing "different religions" in a way to intentionally devalue and distract from the role Christianity played in the Founding Fathers.
In modern parlance, different Christian denominations are not considered different religions.
Similarly, Deism has never been considered a religion but a philosophical movement.
The Founding Fathers virtually all were privately and publicly Christian.
To wit, if the context were a group of Muslims founding X, Burns would not have used the world "different religions" if it was a diverse group of different Shia and Sunni factions. It's the double standard allowed for Christianity but not other religions.
i think you are looking for things that are not meant to portray the message you think and parsing words. But, that is the "thing" right now. It is the pull back from the diverse at all costs movement. It is similar to the TDS Maga says occurs, but it is Diversity Derangement Syndrome. Anything with the intent to show diversity is bad. The Founding Fathers were very different and diverse. New England and South Carolina or Pennsylvania had little in common, politically, economically or religiously.
Is Burns personal politics Dem? Yes. But, his work is not and he even has conservative underwriters to ensure an objective view. So, i get it. But, I think it is parsing of words in this case. Being too literal and missing the context. Done alot on this Boatd.
FLBear5630 said:Harrison Bergeron said:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:FLBear5630 said:Redbrickbear said:Ken Burns has distorted the Founding Fathers by suggesting that they were of “different religions.” This is easily proved wrong…
— Rob Schneider 🇺🇸 (@RobSchneider) December 14, 2025
They were clearly ALL CHRISTIANS! https://t.co/Xbl8obdzbR
So Lutheran and Methodist are the same? Ever try to go to communion in a Lutheran Church? See if they let you.
There were numerous Protestants, Catholics, Deists and they were very wary of the Pennsylvania Dutch. I don't think any would consider themselves the same as William Penn and his crowd.
I think there is a bit of nit-picking going on.
Less nit-picketing than demanding some basic accuracy in a documentary that will be shown to millions of school children and included in the library of Congress one day
The founding fathers were in fact NOT followers of different religions…they were members of different denominations of the same religion
If Ken wants to go into the conflicting issues/
antagonisms within those different denominations…no one would complain….just don't let one of your interviewees say something this factually wrong on screen without challenge
Do you want to go into Deists and their non-Christian beliefs? Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and even Madison and Washington were more into Deist than Christianity. Or, does that not count.
Geez, Paine called Christianity a fable. Franklin was about reason and definitely no fan of religion. Jefferson wrote his own version of how he thought Jesus's lessons fit in, no miracles, and questioned Jesus divinity.
These are not minor players, these are the heavy hitters of the Founding Fathers. I can see why Burns left it at diverse.
As I said, you are nit-picking.
Again…back to the actual Ken Burn documentary
She is taking about the first Continental Congress meeting. (Thomas Pain is not a Founding father or member of the Continental Congress or the later Congresses of the USA)
[Fifty-six delegates from twelve of the thirteen colonies attended the First Continental Congress, which convened at Carpenters' Hall in Philadelphia from September 5 to October 26, 1774. Georgia was the only colony that did not send representatives.]
Of these 56 delegates all are know members of the Christian religion and have historic church memberships. (Their exact personal beliefs on all theological matters are of course open for debate)
But they were not members of "different religions" as per the interviewee.
If she wanted to emphasize the religious diversity of this group….then she should be accurate and just say they were members of different Christian denominations & Churches with different theological interpretations of the faith.
[A large number of Southern delegates were members of the Church of England (Anglican), which later became the Episcopal Church in America. This included a majority of the Virginia delegation, such as George Washington, Peyton Randolph, and Patrick Henry. Maryland delegates like Samuel Chase were also Episcopalian.
Congregationalist: This was the dominant denomination among the New England delegates, the spiritual heirs of the Puritans. Key figures included John Adams and Samuel Adams of Massachusetts.
Presbyterian: This denomination was well-represented across several colonies and generally supportive of the revolutionary cause. Delegates such as William Floyd, Philip Livingston, and James Wilson were Presbyterians.
Quaker (Society of Friends): A few delegates, especially from Pennsylvania and New Jersey, were Quakers. James Kinsey of New Jersey and the chair maker Joseph Henzey were Quakers.
Lutheran: John Morton of Pennsylvania is an example of a delegate who was a Lutheran.]
If it was Trump, you would say "you know what he meant" and it is not literal. Someone you don't like, it is literal to the period and comma. I have never seen people craft things the way the want them to be like this room.
.
Well Trump is not doing a historical documentary for PBS that will end up in the library of Congress and taught to millions of school children.
At the least we can all admit it's strange framing.
"different religions"…instead of the more obviously accurate statement of "different denominations of the same religion"
Sometimes the mental gymnastics to try and justify a political agenda is one of the unfortunately outcrops of TDS. There was a time when it would not be controversial just to acknowledge that Burns is intentionally framing "different religions" in a way to intentionally devalue and distract from the role Christianity played in the Founding Fathers.
In modern parlance, different Christian denominations are not considered different religions.
Similarly, Deism has never been considered a religion but a philosophical movement.
The Founding Fathers virtually all were privately and publicly Christian.
To wit, if the context were a group of Muslims founding X, Burns would not have used the world "different religions" if it was a diverse group of different Shia and Sunni factions. It's the double standard allowed for Christianity but not other religions.
i think you are looking for things that are not meant to portray the message you think and parsing words. But, that is the "thing" right now. It is the pull back from the diverse at all costs movement. It is similar to the TDS Maga says occurs, but it is Diversity Derangement Syndrome. Anything with the intent to show diversity is bad. The Founding Fathers were very different and diverse. New England and South Carolina or Pennsylvania had little in common, politically, economically or religiously.
Is Burns personal politics Dem? Yes. But, his work is not and he even has conservative underwriters to ensure an objective view. So, i get it. But, I think it is parsing of words in this case. Being too literal and missing the context. Done alot on this Boatd.
^ you didn't have to re-prove my point but thank you.