ShooterTX said:

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Strange title.

Why would anyone ever try to honor anyone as much as they honor Jesus? To do so would be the very definition of idolatry.

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Fre3dombear said:

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Happy Solemnity of Saint Mary, Mother of God to all who celebrate.

What a beautiful homily

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Johnny Bear said:

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I respect the Catholic Church and their brand of Christianity. Possibly some of this comes from not being raised as a Catholic and never being a Catholic, but having said that, I will never understand the belief in a segregated special group of Christians defined as "Saints" that are also worthy of worship and being prayed to or through. Certainly there are historically people worthy of being revered and respected for their faith and their related works (obviously Mary the Mother of Christ is one of them), but taking it to the point of virtual worship isn't Biblical and borders on idolatry.

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4th and Inches said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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I respect the Catholic Church and their brand of Christianity. Possibly some of this comes from not being raised as a Catholic and never being a Catholic, but having said that, I will never understand the belief in a segregated special group of Christians defined as "Saints" that are also worthy of worship and being prayed to or through. Certainly there are historically people worthy of being revered and respected for their faith and their related works (obviously Mary the Mother of Christ is one of them), but taking it to the point of virtual worship isn't Biblical and borders on idolatry.

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Not a Catholic but this is my understanding

the siants arent worshiped, they are considered a known pathway to whom God/Jesus/the holy spirit worked through during their life on earth. By praying to them, people are asking the saints to pray with them much like you ask your friends here on earth to pray for you when the need arises.

Saints are considered to be able to relay and ampliphy your prayers as somebody who stands closer to God/Jesus than the average human.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Happy Solemnity of Saint Mary, Mother of God to all who celebrate.

What a beautiful homily

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For clarity, are putting Mary on the same plane as Jesus Christ or, or you referring to the honor Christ placed in His Mother?

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4th and Inches said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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I respect the Catholic Church and their brand of Christianity. Possibly some of this comes from not being raised as a Catholic and never being a Catholic, but having said that, I will never understand the belief in a segregated special group of Christians defined as "Saints" that are also worthy of worship and being prayed to or through. Certainly there are historically people worthy of being revered and respected for their faith and their related works (obviously Mary the Mother of Christ is one of them), but taking it to the point of virtual worship isn't Biblical and borders on idolatry.

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Not a Catholic but this is my understanding

the siants arent worshiped, they are considered a known pathway to whom God/Jesus/the holy spirit worked through during their life on earth. By praying to them, people are asking the saints to pray with them much like you ask your friends here on earth to pray for you when the need arises.

Saints are considered to be able to relay and ampliphy your prayers as somebody who stands closer to God/Jesus than the average human.

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Happy Solemnity of Saint Mary, Mother of God to all who celebrate.

What a beautiful homily

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For clarity, are putting Mary on the same plane as Jesus Christ or, or you referring to the honor Christ placed in His Mother?

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Freudian slip.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Happy Solemnity of Saint Mary, Mother of God to all who celebrate.

What a beautiful homily

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For clarity, are putting Mary on the same plain as Jesus Christ or, or you referring to the honor Christ placed in His Mother?

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BUDOS said:

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Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Mary, like some others in the Bible, and perhaps some others, may deserve special recognition for their contributions to the Lord's work. However, only one is sitting at the right hand of God.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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I respect the Catholic Church and their brand of Christianity. Possibly some of this comes from not being raised as a Catholic and never being a Catholic, but having said that, I will never understand the belief in a segregated special group of Christians defined as "Saints" that are also worthy of worship and being prayed to or through. Certainly there are historically people worthy of being revered and respected for their faith and their related works (obviously Mary the Mother of Christ is one of them), but taking it to the point of virtual worship isn't Biblical and borders on idolatry.

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Not a Catholic but this is my understanding

the siants arent worshiped, they are considered a known pathway to whom God/Jesus/the holy spirit worked through during their life on earth. By praying to them, people are asking the saints to pray with them much like you ask your friends here on earth to pray for you when the need arises.

Saints are considered to be able to relay and ampliphy your prayers as somebody who stands closer to God/Jesus than the average human.

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I've heard the same explanation and am married into a Catholic family. My response to this would be, why was the curtain in the temple torn from top to bottom and by whom was it torn?

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Happy Solemnity of Saint Mary, Mother of God to all who celebrate.

What a beautiful homily

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Not very hard to imagine the heresy of putting a mere mortal on the same plain as God. Heresy and false teachings have existed since Acts.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Happy Solemnity of Saint Mary, Mother of God to all who celebrate.

What a beautiful homily

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For clarity, are putting Mary on the same plain as Jesus Christ or, or you referring to the honor Christ placed in His Mother?

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Happy Solemnity of Saint Mary, Mother of God to all who celebrate.

What a beautiful homily

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For clarity, are putting Mary on the same plain as Jesus Christ or, or you referring to the honor Christ placed in His Mother?

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As a Catholic, it was always taught to me as - honoring her As HIS mother. Giving her the respect a mother deserves. Same with prayer, she is ALWAYS to intercede. Play a middle-person. If she were treated as an equal or as God, there would be no need to intercede. That is it.

Remember George Carlin, the comedian? He did a piece on cut down fights, 1st rule - No Mothers... Mother's deserve respect and people listen to their Mothers. That is what this is... You guys are making it into more than it is.

Now, go and find every trace of information that indicates it is more and cross-reference with the Bible to be able to proclaim that us Catholics will not be able to get through the narrow gate. That should make you feel better...

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Happy Solemnity of Saint Mary, Mother of God to all who celebrate.

What a beautiful homily

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For clarity, are putting Mary on the same plain as Jesus Christ or, or you referring to the honor Christ placed in His Mother?

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As a Catholic, it was always taught to me as - honoring her As HIS mother. Giving her the respect a mother deserves. Same with prayer, she is ALWAYS to intercede. Play a middle-person. If she were treated as an equal or as God, there would be no need to intercede. That is it.

Remember George Carlin, the comedian? He did a piece on cut down fights, 1st rule - No Mothers... Mother's deserve respect and people listen to their Mothers. That is what this is... You guys are making it into more than it is.

Now, go and find every trace of information that indicates it is more and cross-reference with the Bible to be able to proclaim that us Catholics will not be able to get through the narrow gate. That should make you feel better...

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Thanks for paragraph 1. 2&3 are just bizarre.

I suppose Carlin replaced the seven deadly sins with the seven dirty words?

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Fre3dombear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Happy Solemnity of Saint Mary, Mother of God to all who celebrate.

What a beautiful homily

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For clarity, are putting Mary on the same plain as Jesus Christ or, or you referring to the honor Christ placed in His Mother?

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Obviously. What Christian would put Mary on the same plane as Jesus?

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• bowing and praying to images of Mary in church
• dedicating churches to her
• singing hymns of praise to her in Church
• calling her "sovereign",
• calling her "peacemaker between sinners and God",
• calling her "Mediatrix"
• calling her "THE ALL HOLY ONE"
• saying that you "put your salvation in her hands"
• saying that she is "necessary for salvation"
• saying that she is "the ladder to paradise, the gate of heaven, the most true mediatrix between God and human beings"
• saying "None, O Mother of God, attains salvation except through thee"
• saying "We give ourselves to [Mary] now... [and] to surrender "the hour of our death" wholly to her care."
• saying "Rejoice, O bride unwedded, the world's salvation. Rejoice, deliverer from the mire of sin"
• saying "[the] eternal Son grants salvation to all who chants hymns of praise to you"
• saying "Most holy Theotokus, save us. Rejoice, bride of God, all blameless maiden, who saved the world from the flood of sin"

Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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BUDOS said:

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Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Mary, like some others in the Bible, and perhaps some others, may deserve special recognition for their contributions to the Lord's work. However, only one is sitting at the right hand of God.

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Yep and only one is the Queen

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Sorry there is no queen. There is no throne for Mary.

Any belief otherwise is unbiblical.

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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I respect the Catholic Church and their brand of Christianity. Possibly some of this comes from not being raised as a Catholic and never being a Catholic, but having said that, I will never understand the belief in a segregated special group of Christians defined as "Saints" that are also worthy of worship and being prayed to or through. Certainly there are historically people worthy of being revered and respected for their faith and their related works (obviously Mary the Mother of Christ is one of them), but taking it to the point of virtual worship isn't Biblical and borders on idolatry.

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Not a Catholic but this is my understanding

the siants arent worshiped, they are considered a known pathway to whom God/Jesus/the holy spirit worked through during their life on earth. By praying to them, people are asking the saints to pray with them much like you ask your friends here on earth to pray for you when the need arises.

Saints are considered to be able to relay and ampliphy your prayers as somebody who stands closer to God/Jesus than the average human.

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I've heard the same explanation and am married into a Catholic family. My response to this would be, why was the curtain in the temple torn from top to bottom and by whom was it torn?

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Catholic tradition isnit was sewn by Mary as a child as she had pledged her life to chastity which is why shes ever Virgin and Joseph never slept with her and likely was much older and a widower and Jesus has no brothers or sisters as an only child

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Another extra biblical Catholic belief found nowhere in scripture.

I'm seeing a pattern here..

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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BUDOS said:

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Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Mary, like some others in the Bible, and perhaps some others, may deserve special recognition for their contributions to the Lord's work. However, only one is sitting at the right hand of God.

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Yep and only one is the Queen

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Mary is not the Queen of Heaven.
That title is reserved for the goddess of the Egyptian religion that was a curse upon the Israelites in the times of jeremiah and before.

Jeremiah 44:16-19 NIV
[16] "We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord! [17] We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. [18] But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine." [19] The women added, "When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her."

Calling an honorable woman like Mary the "Queen of Heaven" is one of the most dishonorable things anyone could do. She was an honorable woman and should not be worshipped as a pagan goddess in thesame ways of the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans and Roman Catholics.

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Fre3dombear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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BUDOS said:

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Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Mary, like some others in the Bible, and perhaps some others, may deserve special recognition for their contributions to the Lord's work. However, only one is sitting at the right hand of God.

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Yep and only one is the Queen

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Sorry there is no queen. There is no throne for Mary.

Any belief otherwise is unbiblical.

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You really should read again. incompetent or lying? You choose

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Fre3dombear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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I respect the Catholic Church and their brand of Christianity. Possibly some of this comes from not being raised as a Catholic and never being a Catholic, but having said that, I will never understand the belief in a segregated special group of Christians defined as "Saints" that are also worthy of worship and being prayed to or through. Certainly there are historically people worthy of being revered and respected for their faith and their related works (obviously Mary the Mother of Christ is one of them), but taking it to the point of virtual worship isn't Biblical and borders on idolatry.

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Not a Catholic but this is my understanding

the siants arent worshiped, they are considered a known pathway to whom God/Jesus/the holy spirit worked through during their life on earth. By praying to them, people are asking the saints to pray with them much like you ask your friends here on earth to pray for you when the need arises.

Saints are considered to be able to relay and ampliphy your prayers as somebody who stands closer to God/Jesus than the average human.

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I've heard the same explanation and am married into a Catholic family. My response to this would be, why was the curtain in the temple torn from top to bottom and by whom was it torn?

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Catholic tradition isnit was sewn by Mary as a child as she had pledged her life to chastity which is why shes ever Virgin and Joseph never slept with her and likely was much older and a widower and Jesus has no brothers or sisters as an only child

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Another extra biblical Catholic belief found nowhere in scripture.

I'm seeing a pattern here..

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Fascinating how you seem to be ignore the exact words in the Bible. We see a pattern here.

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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BUDOS said:

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Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Mary, like some others in the Bible, and perhaps some others, may deserve special recognition for their contributions to the Lord's work. However, only one is sitting at the right hand of God.

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Yep and only one is the Queen

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Mary is not the Queen of Heaven.
That title is reserved for the goddess of the Egyptian religion that was a curse upon the Israelites in the times of jeremiah and before.

Jeremiah 44:16-19 NIV
[16] "We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord! [17] We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. [18] But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine." [19] The women added, "When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her."

Calling an honorable woman like Mary the "Queen of Heaven" is one of the most dishonorable things anyone could do. She was an honorable woman and should not be worshipped as a pagan goddess in thesame ways of the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans and Roman Catholics.

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Pffft. Nah

Some here have said the devil defied physics and created this and converted an entire continent to Catholicism. If you study, maybe youll have the same conversion experience of the 10s of millions she converted.

https://guadalupeshrine.org/our-lady-of-guadalupe-shrine/

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